Code War? Football is already miles ahead

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    Moves by the FFA to expand the A-League have a lot of fans buzzing about the future of football in this country.

    Many would be hard pressed to even recognise the game of 15 years ago. The NSL had poor crowds, a shambolic administration and a sectarian fan-base. The A-League has firmly placed the sport into the mainstream with broad base membership and corporate support. Bit by bit the league has increased corporate sponsorship, tv viewing and playing standards.

    From where it was to where it is now, football is clearly winning over Australia. In just ten years we have developed a league averaging over 10,000 fans and millions of dollars in revenue. Just imagine what we could do in 50 years.

    The drive for more fans and a second division will give more Australians a chance to be a part of the league. Compare this with the closed shop mentality of the other codes playing the same teams again an again with no punishment for failing.

    While other sports are pushing for millions of dollars to upgrade soulless mega stadiums, in football the discussion is returning to boutique stadiums that offer a more unique and intimate atmosphere.

    Melbourne City

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    With fan engagement, home ends become a spectacle in themselves as they display the passion fans have for the game. The other ones? Let’s chuck on an INXS or a Metallica song and call it authentic.

    Don’t even get me started on playing numbers. North of one million people, the sport of football is looked upon with envy by the other codes desperate to sell the game across state lines.

    If the A-League can install a workable second division that unites all levels and can strike a deal with new media outlets, thus avoiding the dinosaur analogue channels, the dominance of football will be complete.

    For too long football has stayed quite and humble in the face of outsiders trying to stop its development. We can safely say those days are gone as it continues it slows march to number one.

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    • April 7th 2018 @ 3:11am
      Kurt said | April 7th 2018 @ 3:11am | ! Report

      This is great news. With footsoccerball the undisputed winner of the code wars, this should be the last article of its type. Thank goodness.

      • April 7th 2018 @ 9:37am
        Fadida said | April 7th 2018 @ 9:37am | ! Report


      • Roar Guru

        April 7th 2018 @ 5:37pm
        That A-League Fan said | April 7th 2018 @ 5:37pm | ! Report


      • April 11th 2018 @ 1:54pm
        Perry Bridge said | April 11th 2018 @ 1:54pm | ! Report

        Hope so (last of it’s type) – the spelling and grammar are atrocious.

        • April 11th 2018 @ 2:10pm
          Nemesis said | April 11th 2018 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

          “last of it’s type …– the spelling and grammar are atrocious.”

          I laughed & I laughed.

          • April 11th 2018 @ 3:00pm
            quartz said | April 11th 2018 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

            much like we did at your gob smacked disbelief in the immediate aftermath of the world cup vote

    • April 7th 2018 @ 4:04am
      Alan said | April 7th 2018 @ 4:04am | ! Report

      “A lot of fans buzzing” – all 9 of them?

    • April 7th 2018 @ 7:09am
      Phast Phil said | April 7th 2018 @ 7:09am | ! Report

      Oh well I’m glad everything is perfect for soccer. Oops, Football.

      They won’t be able to blame the other evil sports if they do not have world domination in Australia in 50 years.

      I hope that they can just let the takeover happen over 50 years and not have to tell everyone everyday how much better their sport is than any thing else combined, squares and doubled.
      I know I’ll be waiting to celebrate my 100th birthday with soccer the absolutely dominant sport forever and ever in boutique stadiums, without those pesky analog media types who use such ridiculous metrics as viewers and advertising revenue to identify what is worth investing in.

    • April 7th 2018 @ 7:24am
      Nemesis said | April 7th 2018 @ 7:24am | ! Report

      Very nice.

      A wonderful way to start the weekend.

      Big weekend of football coming up:

      Whittlesea Rangers vs MVFC (NPL)
      WSW v BRI
      Merseyside Derby
      Brighton vs Huddersfield (Ryan vs Mooy)
      Manchester Derby
      AUS vs KOR (Women’s Asian Cup)
      MVFC vs NIX
      Madrid Derby (La Liga)

      • April 7th 2018 @ 10:21am
        Nick Symonds said | April 7th 2018 @ 10:21am | ! Report

        “Whittlesea Rangers vs MVFC (NPL)”

        It’s actually Whittlesea Ranges.

        • April 7th 2018 @ 10:37am
          Lionheart said | April 7th 2018 @ 10:37am | ! Report

          yes, but I think his point is that there is so much to football, not just the A League and not just in Australia.

        • April 7th 2018 @ 11:38am
          Nemesis said | April 7th 2018 @ 11:38am | ! Report

          I’m sure I don’t care what the opposition is called. I know where the stadium is & I’ll be there.

          • April 7th 2018 @ 4:59pm
            Kurt said | April 7th 2018 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

            Yeah, all anyone has been talking about at work all week is the massive clash between Huddersfield and Brighton.

            • April 7th 2018 @ 5:06pm
              chris said | April 7th 2018 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

              With 2 aussies involved Kurt thats not surprising that people are talking about that game. They also couldn’t stop talking about the Ronaldo goal and Liverpool flogging Man City.
              And the new roos football shirt is out for the World Cup. Are you getting one?

              • April 7th 2018 @ 5:12pm
                Midfielder said | April 7th 2018 @ 5:12pm | ! Report


                Also Atlanta United signing their “”‘We Ready””” 72 K fans in the MLS signing…and waving their phones … 30 second vid BTW…

              • April 7th 2018 @ 5:19pm
                Kurt said | April 7th 2018 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

                Don’t know who the 2 Aussies are Chris, my workplace is about 3 stops on the metro from.Old Trafford. Mind you the red half of Manchester is pretty much in denial about everything so not much football talk at work these days.

              • April 7th 2018 @ 7:28pm
                Kangajets said | April 7th 2018 @ 7:28pm | ! Report

                So, you work near old Trafford… and ??

              • April 7th 2018 @ 9:30pm
                Kurt said | April 7th 2018 @ 9:30pm | ! Report

                …and yes the weather is really rubbish.

    • April 7th 2018 @ 7:33am
      LuckyEddie said | April 7th 2018 @ 7:33am | ! Report

      If football has in excess of 1 million participants why are we not getting govt funding for stadiums etc.

      In Brisbane I went to the Cwth Games track cycling at a brilliant in door velodrome, next door is a world class indoor swimming and diving centre and along side that a badminton centre. Now I know swimming is a popular sport but I have never meet a kid that does track cycling as a sport or for that matter badminton. All have great world class facilities.

      Now good luck to them but why is football forever left behind with funding.

      In Qld the Cowboys whose ave attendance is about the same as Roar are getting a brand new Stadium for about 10 home games per year. On the Gold Coast the Suns who ave less than Roar have got a juicy stadium that will also be upgraded due to Cwth Games. Netball, where only Aus and possibly NZ play it as a serious sport, is getting a $50m indoor centre,

      Now football in Brisbane gets sweet FA and that can only come down to pathetic lobbying by the FFA. If they bothered to get football people in any way mobilised at political elections I can guarantee the money would poor in for our vote.

      For example, the last Qld election was always going to be very very close between two parties offering the same thing, not much. That was a perfect chance for Gallops mob to get up here see what each party is offering and put the screws on for our votes. What happened – nothing. A massive oppurtunity went begging.

      We waffle on about our big numbers yet track cycling with, in real terms miniscule numbers, has brilliant velodromes not only in QLD but inter state.

      FFA is again doing sweet FA.

      • April 7th 2018 @ 9:43am
        RandyM said | April 7th 2018 @ 9:43am | ! Report

        The Cowboys average nearly 17k, the Roar are tick over 9k this season but by all mean keep making stuff up to suit your agenda.

        • April 7th 2018 @ 10:41am
          Lionheart said | April 7th 2018 @ 10:41am | ! Report

          yes, but they are the only team using the stadium, same with Titans at CBUS and the AFL at Carrara. He didn’t mention the world class rifle range also near the velodrome he attended.
          No matter how you look at it, football in QLD is handed a poor deal, no deal actually, by the State Government.

          • April 7th 2018 @ 11:24am
            RandyM said | April 7th 2018 @ 11:24am | ! Report

            Football can’t use those stadiums as well? what exactly does football want in qld, does anyone even know?

            Townsville and Gold Coast are important regional population centres and should have quality stadia. The Cowboys have over 20 years of regular solid crowds backing them as well. Football wanting its own shiny boutique stadium in some random corner of Brisbane isn’t a sound business plan for the state govt.

            • April 7th 2018 @ 12:29pm
              Lionheart said | April 7th 2018 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

              so is Redcliffe not a random corner of Brisbane? Dolphins got funding, and the other two stadiums at CBUS and Townsville have what, 12 games a year. That’s ridiculous to then say that football doesn’t deserve a dedicated stadium, especially when you consider football matches outside the A League (W League, internationals) and possible second A League team, and the need for a decent surface for football.
              QLD government’s interest in football is evidenced by the absence of international matches here, not a single game out of the 13 home World Cup qualifiers, no visiting international clubs and no Matildas matches.
              Lucky Eddie is right.
              Davies Park would be fine, my old home of the Magpies.

              • April 7th 2018 @ 1:15pm
                LuckyEddie said | April 7th 2018 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                Great spot Davies Park near the river , West End cafes/bars and not far from the rail network.

            • April 7th 2018 @ 12:31pm
              Boz said | April 7th 2018 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

              regarding Gold Coast, many top flight teams have come and gone in not only football, but Rugby League, Basketball.

              Defunct clubs:
              – Gold Coast Seagulls
              – South Queensland Crushers
              – Gold Coast Blaze
              – Gold Coast Rollers
              – A-League version of Gold Coast United

              to name a few.

              • April 9th 2018 @ 12:26am
                Old Greg said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:26am | ! Report

                The Crushers were from Brisbane (a second rugby league team in Brisbane? Hard to believe at one stage there was such a thing!)

            • April 7th 2018 @ 1:13pm
              LuckyEddie said | April 7th 2018 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

              We want our own stadium like the Cowboys who get the same crowds as Roar have averaged over 10 years and the Suns who ave about 5k who get a newbie at Carrara.

              Must admit I am facinated by people from other codes who come over to this one. Although a lot of us football people have disagreements we have the game at heart but why is someone from the NRL here..

              • April 7th 2018 @ 2:34pm
                RandyM said | April 7th 2018 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

                Seriously, you’re complaining that’s its being built only for Rugby League then saying football doesn’t want to use the same stadiums at Rugby?

                The new Townsville stadium increases the chance of Australia hosting a football world cup anyway. Is that not a good thing?

        • April 7th 2018 @ 10:46am
          chris said | April 7th 2018 @ 10:46am | ! Report

          Randy the averages for Cowboys and Roar for 2017 were about the same at around 15k each.

        • April 7th 2018 @ 1:10pm
          LuckyEddie said | April 7th 2018 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

          No you are wrong over the last ten years Cowboys have ave 15k and that is the same as Roar. Also the waste in Townsville is for about 10 games all year with no one else using the tax payer wasted stadium. So Randy old boy try to get it right, maybe the concussion bin for you.

          • April 7th 2018 @ 2:26pm
            RandyM said | April 7th 2018 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

            So let me get this right… It’s a waste of money to have stadiums only used for one code 10-12 times a year but then you want football to have it’s own stadium for the same amount of usage?

            • April 7th 2018 @ 5:12pm
              Lionheart said | April 7th 2018 @ 5:12pm | ! Report

              football gets more usage – A League, W League, Champions League, Internationals (men and women), visiting international clubs, then there’s possibly a second A League team coming (inevitable), NPL which is growing

      • April 7th 2018 @ 11:39am
        AR said | April 7th 2018 @ 11:39am | ! Report

        “If football has in excess of 1 million participants why are we not getting govt funding for stadiums etc.”

        This odd comment is actually quite a common refrain from many soccer fans…and young people generally.

        For the record, let’s be clear…every single top tier rectangular stadium in the country has been 100% govt funded (with the exception of Etihad, built with private money).

        The NSW Govt will spend almost $2Billion on re-doing 2 rectangular stadiums that are virtually never at capacity.

        More than that, the WSWanderers – a PRIVATELY-owned franchise, only 5 years old, that attracts whopping crowds of about 14k – is getting a brand new 30k stadium built in Parramatta, 100% paid for by the Govt.

        AAMI Park in Melbourne – 100% Govt funded.

        The list goes on.

        It really is amazing that people use (or barely use) all these government facilities, and then complain that they don’t get to use (or barely use) bigger and better government facilities.

        • April 7th 2018 @ 1:22pm
          LuckyEddie said | April 7th 2018 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Can you try that again we missed your point? We want a Stadium for Brisbane Roar just like the Suns got one, the Cowboys are getting one, the Titans got one, netball is getting one , track cycling has got an indorr and out door velodrome, swimming got one. diving got one, badminton got one for the 10 people that play it etc. etc.

          So why has not the biggest sport in memberships and participants in Qld got one? What is going on? The velodrome is fantastic and would have cost a mint but how many people/kids do track cycling, you would be lucky if it was more than a couple of hundred.

          Good luck to them all but us taxpaying football supporters are sick of pay tax so smaller sports get the big bucks and we get nothing.

          • April 7th 2018 @ 3:04pm
            AR said | April 7th 2018 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

            My point is – you’re confusing grassroots with professional sport.

            There’s plenty of parks and fields all over Australia where soccer, rugby, touch are played…and cricket and footy and whatever else.

            The stadiums you’re whining about – you already have.

            Suncorp is the best large rectangle stadium in the country, but the Roar can’t fill it.
            Robina is an excellent rectangular stadium, but CGU could only draw a few thousand.
            Allianz is a perfect sized stadium, but SFC can’t fill it – but they’re getting a new one anyway. Ditto WSW. Ditto MV/MC.

            These state of the art stadiums these franchises play in are 100% Govt funded.
            What more do you think these PRIVATELY owned franchises deserve?

            • April 7th 2018 @ 5:18pm
              Lionheart said | April 7th 2018 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

              Privately owned franchises – like, how does that differ to the Broncos, Titans, Reds, Cowboys, Lions and every other club, any code? They pay their rent, which in QLD goes to one of the biggest sports organisations on the globe
              Perfectly sized – no, they’re too big, that’s the point. And they have too many users. that’s the other point.
              Suncorp the best – no it’s not, the surface is often an embarrassment to our good city, but that doesn’t matter to any code except football.

              • April 7th 2018 @ 7:02pm
                AR said | April 7th 2018 @ 7:02pm | ! Report

                “Privately owned franchises – like, how does that differ to the Broncos, Titans, Reds, Cowboys, Lions and every other club, any code?”

                Well for starters, the AFL clubs are not privately owned. So you’re wrong there.

                Second, the Broncos have a stadium – which they love – and they’re not demanding a new one. Ditto the Reds.

                Third, the Titans have a beautiful stadium already – 100% Govt funded.

                Really, what you’re asking for, is a brand new boutique stadium built just for the Roar?

                Ok then. Ask the Bakries to build one. It’s their franchise. Why should the Qld taxpayers fund a private stadium for a business owned by an Indonesian family?

              • Roar Guru

                April 8th 2018 @ 10:59am
                Grobbelaar said | April 8th 2018 @ 10:59am | ! Report

                But is there something intrinsically wrong with the Australian taxpayer paying for a stadium for the sole use of an organisation owned by a wealthy Indonesian family?

      • April 11th 2018 @ 3:09pm
        Perry Bridge said | April 11th 2018 @ 3:09pm | ! Report

        Your opening line “If football has in excess of 1 million participants”.

        The FFA claim this in such a rubbery way.

        The FFA 2016 annual report quote 1,188,911.

        Of that 499,361 were ‘outdoor’ participants via Miniroos, youth and seniors.

        The other 689,550 includes school comps (fair enough), school programs (starting to stretch the friendship here), futsal and ‘Tournaments & Events’.

        And – like all codes with multiple offerings, clubs, programs, indoor/outdoor, summer social leagues, schools etc – – how many actual unique participants do we have in there?

        I include the AFL in my scepticism – 2017 Annual report quotes 1.54 million but includes over 930,000 via school comps (300K) and school programs (636K).

        Number 1 is interpretative.

    • April 7th 2018 @ 8:15am
      Onside said | April 7th 2018 @ 8:15am | ! Report

      The FFA Cup, involving 781 clubs throughout Australia is a real SLEEPER.

      One day , the cup, with seven hundred and eighty one football clubs. !!!!!!!,
      will be an opportunity that’s fully exploited.

      The FFA cup is the largest competition in Australia, where every player ,
      and every member, of every club throughout the Nation shares a dream.

      A 781 club competition as a foundation to build on, aint so shabby a start .

      The emphasis on financial stability et al is too often focused on the top
      professional HAL clubs, that like most pro clubs throughout the world have
      their highs and lows, some survive, some don’t.

      But the professional game is actually the top of a pyramid ; the cornerstone,
      the unshakable foundation of football in Australia, is in fact the many clubs ,
      in the many towns and suburbs spread throughout the nation, a country so
      vast ,that there are often places with football teams we have never heard of.

      The FFA cup is a sleeper representing everything thats good about football.

      • April 7th 2018 @ 12:59pm
        BigAl said | April 7th 2018 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

        . . . so you’re saying that the FFA Cup in Aus is rising – at about the same rate that the FA Cup in England (upon which it is based) is declining…

        • April 7th 2018 @ 1:13pm
          Onside said | April 7th 2018 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

          I didn’t know that Big Al, England declining. What I am saying though,
          is that the FFA Cup could be something quite exciting, if managed
          and marketed properly. Sure it’s a way off yet , but the basis is there.

          • April 11th 2018 @ 3:18pm
            Perry Bridge said | April 11th 2018 @ 3:18pm | ! Report


            The FFA Annual report for 2016 quoted 2,155 clubs. So, 781 is just over a third of soccer clubs in the country. Of course some clubs might be exclusively juniors or female.

            Just for what it’s worth – my opinion – While I recognize the ‘romance’ of it – I’ve never thought it a good thing to have lower tier sides able to beat your top tier pro teams. After all – it’s not as if you’re playing shorter games where the superior fitness and drilling of the pro team comes to the fore as fatigue kicks in late in a half.

            • April 11th 2018 @ 3:26pm
              Nemesis said | April 11th 2018 @ 3:26pm | ! Report


              There is virtually NOTHING positive you ever have to say about football.

              You whine about the Laws.
              You whine about the culture
              You whine about the fans.
              You whine about the flares
              You whine about Cup Tournaments.

              What is wrong with you?
              Why are you so hellbent on being negative every effing day about football.

              Why don’t you focus your days on things you enjoy? Cricket, Aussie Rules, every sport except SOKKAH?

              Why are you so focused on discussing a topic you don’t enjoy?

              There are so many discussion forums for any topic you enjoy – TV shows, books, magazines, politics, etc etc. Why do you choose to immerse yourself in Sokkah?

              You’ll give the answer that: “I’m a casual fan of all sports”. RUBBISH. You have nothing positive to say about Sokkah. Nothing. Not one sentence ever.

              This is quite pathetic, deviant behaviour for any adult.

      • April 7th 2018 @ 4:30pm
        Midfielder said | April 7th 2018 @ 4:30pm | ! Report

        Very very very very true Onside