We need the A-League finals to help us forget a dreadful regular season

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    Ridiculously expensive ticket prices for the finals will be the FFA’s next mistake, from a governing body that specialises in making obvious errors.

    Don’t tell my accountant, but I’m thinking of sending my group certificates to Football Federation Australia so they can do my tax return this year.

    I’m not sure what they’re like with pay as you go instalments, but they have no idea how to run a well-functioning football league.

    And punch-in-the-face ticket prices for the finals will be the next insult for an A-League fan base treated with contempt by the game’s governing body.

    A 7pm (AEST) Sunday night kick-off the week after daylight savings ended was the reward for Sydney FC fans after their team wrapped up the Premiers’ Plate, and they responded in the same way they’ve done all season – by not turning up.

    Just 9,110 fans filed through the gates at Allianz Stadium last night – if you believe the official attendance figure – to watch a team that has not had a single home game kick off before 7pm local time for the entire season.

    We all know Fox Sports needs content. And scheduling Australia’s two AFC Champions League representatives on a Sunday following tough midweek trips to South Korea makes sense.

    It’s just hard to understand why the whole match day couldn’t have kicked off earlier to accommodate the switch from daylight savings time.

    Mind you, it’s not just the FFA who could do with some common sense.

    The World Game journalist David Lewis didn’t mince his words on the topic of media managers on Friday, expressing on Twitter what many of us have experienced when trying to write stories about the A-League.

    “Some seem to be under the illusion they’re working in the EPL and access to the Pope can be easier than the players they protect with guard-dog like tenacity,” Lewis tweeted. “Meanwhile interest in the A-League dips to all-time lows.”

    Some clubs are better than others – Melbourne City send out useful content on a regular basis – while others, like the club I twice asked to add me to their media mailing list at the start of the season but which still hasn’t bothered, are singularly unhelpful.

    It leads to situations like Adelaide United chairman Greg Griffin getting into the comments sections on The Roar, like he did last year, to proclaim that he “never responds to social media articles” – in the same month hundreds of fans were leaving scathing comments criticising the Reds on the club’s Facebook page.

    And the slavish adherence to traditional outlets makes little sense when it’s clear the youth market the A-League is supposed to capture consumes their journalism online and, increasingly, on their phones.

    One of the worst things the FFA ever did was let social media expert Brian Gibson walk out the door, and they compounded the problem by letting experienced digital strategist Rob Squillacioti leave last year – all, allegedly, over a lack of funds.

    What the hell is the millions in revenue the game generates paying for?

    I was told recently that A-League head Greg O’Rourke reckons the league doesn’t cop a fair go from the press – as if it’s the media’s job to cheerlead for the competition.

    Really Greg? If you’ve got such a problem with what journalists write, why don’t you get on The Roar and explain the A-League’s strategy in your own words?

    Cue deafening silence.

    It’s the same sound that greeted the Western Sydney Wanderers on Saturday night from the boycotting Red and Black Bloc.

    Another win for the A-League marketers.

    Meanwhile, Sunday’s games were suitably entertaining. The come-from-behind win for Melbourne Victory. A new goal-scoring record for Bobo.

    But the action on the pitch gets lost in the mire of everything the game gets wrong off it.

    The finals can’t come quickly enough – if only to put a wretchedly frustrating premiership campaign behind us.

    Mike Tuckerman
    Mike Tuckerman

    Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he settled in Brisbane, and has been a leading Roar football columnist since December 2008.

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    • April 9th 2018 @ 7:30am
      fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 7:30am | ! Report

      So to clarify, the football has been pretty good but the off season stuff has been terrible?

      Misleading headline (but one that encourages doom mongering as usual)

      • April 9th 2018 @ 10:28am
        Kangajets said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:28am | ! Report

        I’m prepared to forget the last month

        The grand final was played on March 3

        Newcastle best Sydney FC 2-1

        • April 9th 2018 @ 11:14am
          Newie said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:14am | ! Report

          +1

          And Nabbout scored.

        • Roar Guru

          April 9th 2018 @ 11:51am
          That A-League Fan said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:51am | ! Report

          Well, that means you’ve forgotten Nabbout has left and Boogaard is suspended!

          • April 9th 2018 @ 1:55pm
            Kangajets said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

            Boogard has a broken leg not suspended

            Can you not read the sarcasm in my comment

          • Roar Guru

            April 9th 2018 @ 1:56pm
            Griffo said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

            Well, that means you’ve forgotten Nabbout has left and Boogaard is suspended! injured!

            There you go…

        • April 9th 2018 @ 12:45pm
          shirtpants said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

          A Newcastle fan who’s clearly lost all hope for the season.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 1:11pm
            Kangajets said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

            Sense of humour dude. Im A fan who can laugh at his own teams bad form

            • April 9th 2018 @ 3:21pm
              shirtpants said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:21pm | ! Report

              Yeah it’s a bit of a shame though as they were clearly a team capable of winning the grand final when they met Sydney. Not the most memorable season but finals could stir up an interesting few weeks

      • April 9th 2018 @ 1:12pm
        Angry Kossie said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

        I’ve had a great season. While it was tough going for the Jets last Friday night, I am now happily walking around Newcastle wearing my new Sydney FC cap! Jets cap back on for the finals (unless they are playing Sydney)!

        It’s amazing how much passionate and pragmatic discussion is published about the world game, particularly when it’s being defended against trolls, but many football fans quickly turn to a negative narrative when things are not going their way. Oh to be a Man City supporter instead of a West Brom supporter! Even Perth supporters are doing it better than Wellington & CCM supporters!

        There are many things that can be improved on by the FFA, clubs, players and fans but there is no way that the game will descend into the farce that was the last days of the NSL. This dreadful season gave us Arzani, Adrien, Nabbout, Petratos, Marco Kurz etc whilst Mike has given us Chicken Little!.

    • April 9th 2018 @ 7:41am
      fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 7:41am | ! Report

      Injuries have severely hindered this season, more than any I can ever recall.

      Obviously SFC, being the children of Beelzeebub have been immune, but elsewhere there has been some major imports and key players missing large parts of the season.

      Jets – O’Donovan started superbly and then missed 2 months, and is still not fully back.
      Vargas / looked like being a star until his season was decimated.
      Pato in and out
      Boogard is a huge loss

      AU – high hopes for Diawarra dashed. Absolomson looked like a potential player of the season but has missed 2/3
      The new striker then gets the curse

      City – arguably the best striker in the league’s history missesost of the season

      Glory – Taggart, I’d argue our best finisher missed plenty of games

      Roar – multiple injuries to pretty much every player

      In a league light on star potential it’s been an horrific run, severely impacting the league’s competitiveness.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 10:11am
        BrainsTrust said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:11am | ! Report

        Vargas never did anything apart from getting injured , not only is this guy super lazy he is not that good..Pato is not any good, and while he runs a bit more than Vargas he doesn;t really defend and looks soft. Boogard is hardly a loss, Kantarovski is a lot more mobile. Donovan fed off the rest of the team, Against Perth Glory however he didn’t even put n a shift, hardly made any runs, hardly boithered to press, there were numerous balls he could have gone to and one particular through ball from Dimi Petratos he didn’t even bother chasing down which it looked like he could have got to.
        Adelaide United Diawarra is fairly lazy picking him would not be so bad if the other guy Absolonsen was not there , Absolnsen is an old joke, the one good through ball Adelaide united hit any other young Adelaide player would have been though on goal . This guys offers nothing , no effort, no speed , limited ability. What are you on to call this player a potential player of the season. Adelaide played Phoenix and Jets recently teams of wooden spoon quality, they might have got an inflated sense of worth. Adelaide had something going when they had a more youthful outfit and were the fittest team in the comp, that seems to have gone out the door, they used to have a rugged and physical right back what happened to him.
        City you got to be kidding, they had a lazyish striker who was very good off set pieces. Fornaroli is getting back and he puts more effort it. They have a huge gem in Arzani, for me however to totally dominate they need a threat on the other wing, otherwise teams just put extra players on Arzani, So why did Kamau who would provide that and seemed to cop the blame for various other lazy players like Budinski. I would put Vidosic up front as well and use Mauk as the box to box midfielder they would be very attacking.They have just sabotaged themselves and they finally have two good fast fullbacks.
        Glory Taggart is lazy, more of him is not going to improve results when the other teams overrun them because they have such a slow midfield with Kilkenny and Torres. Glory had some good hard working Hungarians , why they got rid of them is a mystery its a turkey fest since then . The only shining light for Perth Glory is having Chianese, finally a high work rate player who makes a lot of runs and gets back in defence.
        Roar aren’t a team where you can say the first 11 is going to be a good team, De Vere has been poor, having him and Avram central and North as fullback was always a stupid move. Pepper his best position seems to be central defemse. Then you have all the old players amd a coach who ignores young players.

        • April 9th 2018 @ 3:17pm
          fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

          So to confirm Brains Trust, everyone is lazy?

          You obviously hadn’t seen Vargas pre injury. O’Donovan is still neither fit nor sharp, not “lazy”. Boogard and NTS were an excellent defensive combination. Without Boogard they have let in 1/3 of the season’s goals in 1/9 of the games – even someone dubiously calling themselves a Brain Trust can work that out.

          Absolonson was brilliant early season and has shown real quality as he tries to get fully fit.

          Taggart “lazy”? He’s half fit because of injuries and is still a huge goal threat.

          The only thing “lazy” was your uniformed comment.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 4:31pm
            Leonard said | April 9th 2018 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

            Has this Taggart ever said, “There’s bin a mmurrrrrder?

            • April 9th 2018 @ 7:46pm
              Fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 7:46pm | ! Report

              Ha!

            • April 9th 2018 @ 8:19pm
              pacman said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:19pm | ! Report

              CLASSIC!!

          • April 10th 2018 @ 9:51am
            BrainsTrust said | April 10th 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

            Vargas pre injury was doing more at least than he is doing know, but he was being given all the credit from those deluded commentators. From the first match, Nabbout and Petratos were the stars and Ugarkovic the engine, its terrible that the foreign recruiting with Pato who would be on huge money has been abysmal.. Donovan he was suspended recently , and at least before he was suspended he was still hacking people and motivated. What is he doing now I don’t have an answer for that.
            If you let players slack off in your team the way Merrick has let Vargas and Pato recently then expect to hit rock bottom and other players to join them. If you look at Merrick he low balled two of the best and hardworking players in the history of the A-league out of a contract, in Fred and Riera.
            Look at Phoenix without Riera they have fallen off the side of a cliff.
            If the midfield is an open sieve then the result of that is not Boogard saving the team, but Boogard doing what he does in previous seasons , he then brings down the last man from behind and gets sent off. The first gane Pato started Jets lost to Phoenix of all teams 3-2 with Boogard . Imagine how Boogard would have gone with Pato and Vargas starting as happened against Adelaide
            Shouldn;t you be saying Absalonsen is in incredible form three goals in three games in his come back. Adelaide were a team that provided Sydney Fc with difficulties this season but put in Absalonsen there and his walking ways it was an easy thrashing for Sydney FC.
            It helps being a goal threat if you walk around and don;t mark up, then your fresh and unmarked on the counter like Bobo.
            What happened to Mitch Nichols he went from box to box to being the blob,. players can get lazier as they get older, and Taggart is heading down the slippery path to oblivion. If you look at Chianese a player who has had more injuries than most and yet he is one of the highest workrate players in the A-league.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 10:25am
        Kangajets said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:25am | ! Report

        Totally agree, injures to most teams best players has been clearly a factor in less exciting games .

        Back in the day of rugby league and I would think football too
        the saying was the team with the best reserve grade ( team with depth ) was often the best first grade team at the end of the season .

        I see this occurring at npl level nowadays too.

        • Columnist

          April 9th 2018 @ 12:19pm
          Mike Tuckerman said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

          Interesting that the best-conditioned team under Andrew Clark, Sydney FC, are top of the league. Cutting back on back-room staff has proved a false economy for several clubs.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 12:45pm
            MarkfromCroydon said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

            Mike, how do we know they are the best conditioned team? I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. Yes, they always run out the game better than the opposition, but could that be more to do with Arnold’s tactics than physical fitness? They always seem to start slow and sit back in the first part of the first half. Maybe their not fitter, but just save their energy for the later part of the game where the opposition is tired.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 1:03pm
              Lionheart said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

              no no, Arnie said they were the fitest

              • April 9th 2018 @ 1:17pm
                Kangajets said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

                Mike

                Why are Sydney the best conditioned team ?? That’s just a guess unless we apply some standard tests to each team and measure speed , strength and endurance throughout the season .

                It’s more likely Sydney superior skill that stretches defences so that they eventually find a way to score and win .
                No amount of conditioning from Andrew Clark or who ever can prevented Vargas or boogard breaking their legs . That’s just pure chance

              • April 9th 2018 @ 3:19pm
                fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

                I’m with Mike on this. I think SFC do have the better back room staff and the benefits are there.

                There is a large element of luck too, Vargas and Boogard had unavoidable injuries, but then O’Donovan’s was preventable, as was the recurrence of his injury. Likewise Pato.

                SFC have an old side but Zullu apart, who’s not old, they haven’t had a soft tissue injury.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 1:47pm
            LuckyEddie said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

            Fit but boring.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 7:51pm
              Arto said | April 9th 2018 @ 7:51pm | ! Report

              Seriously?????!!!!!

              I’m glad I made you happy if that was clickbait, but you must watch the A-League in a parallel universe!

              Ave 3.27 goals every SEC game – 50% of their games have had 4 goals or more, 5 of those had 5+. Hardly boring given the league average this season is 2.94!

              • April 9th 2018 @ 8:33pm
                LuckyEddie said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

                Got a bite.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 8:23pm
              pacman said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:23pm | ! Report

              After 22 matches, 63 goals for and 22 against! Doesn’t read like boring football to me.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 7:57pm
        Arto said | April 9th 2018 @ 7:57pm | ! Report

        One might just as easily argue given we’re “the children of beelzeebub” that we should be having more injuries as everyone’s out to get us! 😉

    • April 9th 2018 @ 7:55am
      Buddy said | April 9th 2018 @ 7:55am | ! Report

      There is a constant line we hear about mainstream media and our sport that maybe a decade ago I would have been concerned about but not these days. It kind of ties in with the future of the game and fans. Whilst we have to deal with the present and “keep our collective eyes on the ball” it is the future generations that will either transform the sport and the consumption of it into something akin to what we we refer to as footballing countries or they will cast it aside as being a product that they have little value for. Mainstream media is losing its relevance in our lives although ratings people persist with the myth that everyone sits down and consumes traditional television albeit sometimes with altered timeslots. However, newspapers are dying as a means of communicating Actual news and by that, I mean information that we haven’t already heard. Once upon a time the line went that today’s newspaper is tomorrow’s chip wrapping or something similar. It seems a little ironic that todays newspaper is now yesterday’s news or older and is just becoming less relevant and certainly to younger generations. I used to be an avid reader of the SMH but those days are long gone. I used to like reading Monday’s edition and look at the TV guide and read the articles but my wife suggested it was a waste as everything we wanted could be accessed either on line or via an epg or similar and we watch almost zero fta tv anyway. I coach teenagers and without exception they do not sit and consume television the way that older generations used to. They watch snatches of info on phones and some on tablets, they read articles on various social media platforms and they have their own playlists and access to music that does not come via mainstream radio. IMO they are very representative of their age groups and will be young adults in 5-10 years. I could report a similar story from a young all age side that I talk to regularly but the point is already made.
      The traditional media and communication methods are only important to older generations and for anyone trying to earn a living from them or companies who report on them. If they don’t change they will be joining the long list of extinct species, consigned to the history books.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 8:13am
        chris said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:13am | ! Report

        Spot on with everything you said.

        • April 9th 2018 @ 8:33am
          chris said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:33am | ! Report

          Further to your points Buddy, all one has to do is look at the MLS. A few years ago the competition was riding along listlessly (a bit like our A-League). Almost with a flick of the switch things have transformed dramatically. Football is experiencing huge growth in participation and viewing. A Forbes article recently even having football at number one for the 18-35 market.
          Meanwhile their traditional sports like American football are experiencing declines in both. Like here, their msm is just as hostile (if not more) than ours when it comes to football. But, as we are seeing here, they are becoming less and less relevant, to the point where they are essentially ignored by the younger generation.
          We don’t live in a bubble here and like it or not, we follow US and European trends in all things lifestyle.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 8:48am
            Buddy said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:48am | ! Report

            Good points on US market Chris. Expansion is certainly working too although population does help. I have been to MLS games and NFL too in the past 12 months. MLS was a lot more welcoming experience overall and the crowd demographics contrasted sharply. NFL had a much older crowd attending. That could be to do with cost though. $150 plus, pretty steep if you are on minimum wages over there! MLS was about $40-50for tickets along the sideline. They have some excellent imports too, not just the big names but lots of up and coming south americans and mexicans who get a spot in spite of Mr Trump’s efforts to build walls.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 10:27am
            Kangajets said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:27am | ! Report

            How did they transform the mls?

            • April 9th 2018 @ 12:30pm
              chris said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

              The kids grew up

              • April 9th 2018 @ 1:15pm
                Buddy said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                As glib as that answer might sound, it is very true. My own experience as well as watching it on tv shows a very young fanbase and plenty of them. That’s why I tend to bang on about the future and not the now…..Look to the future and plan accordingly. Today’s issues will go away with good planning and careful transitions that are inclusive. Ignore at our peril!

            • April 9th 2018 @ 3:55pm
              TheBigFish said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

              For NFL does not help competing against Football when out of 3.5 to 4 hour “game” there is only 10 to 15 minutes of action.

              In the end product is king. If the entertainment on field captures the masses then it will succeed.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 9th 2018 @ 8:21am
        Stevo said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:21am | ! Report

        Agree.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 9:32am
        reuster75 said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:32am | ! Report

        I constantly struggle to understand why you can’t buy an ‘a-league pass’ that enables you to watch all games on your phone or tablet given that so many people consume media that way. The game being entirely hidden away on FOX (with the exception of one game a week that even I forget is available on FTA) is not helping engage a generation of new fans. American sports have huge following in Australia as you can buy a digital season pass and watch the games when it suits you, and given our tendency in sport to copy all things American (combined with Gallop copying everything AFL & NRL do) it’s odd we don’t have that option for a-league. The short term thinking that has prevailed within the FFA since day dot is now coming home to roost.

        • Columnist

          April 9th 2018 @ 12:32pm
          Mike Tuckerman said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

          The short answer, reuster75, is broadcast rights. You can already watch the A-League on your phone. You just have to pay for a pay-TV package with Fox Sports. And unless someone else steps in to offer $50 million+ per season to broadcast the league, that’s not going to change.

          • Roar Rookie

            April 9th 2018 @ 1:52pm
            Waz said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:52pm | ! Report

            Fox do offer a streaming only service, I think you have to take all of the sports packages but I’m not sure of options and the price.

            I think they do a better deal for AFL and NRL (which is most likely based on demand) and the only drawback is the livestream is about 30s behind the live action.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 3:46pm
              Dean said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

              It’s $50 a year for a digital fox sports subscription. That’s pretty good for HAL, NRL, AFL etc. Not sure it would be economically viable to charge much less for individual sports and still have a decent offering.

              I’d rather pay the money for a good service than hope for a good service on 7Mate with all the commercial irregularities which wouldn’t attract any more viewers (proven repeatedly that FTA isn’t winning more viewers)

              NFL is $35 just for NFL which has a lot less matches.

              • April 9th 2018 @ 3:58pm
                Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                “Not sure it would be economically viable to charge much less for individual sports and still have a decent offering.”

                Funny you should mention this.

                That’s exactly what the new CEO of Foxtel (who is the ex CEO of FoxSports) wants to do.

                He wants to offer separate sports packages (streaming) for individual sports.

                Will be fantastic for football fans to finally only have to pay for football & not the other rubbish.

                “Discussions and development of the potential new streaming service have been based around an entry-level Fox Sports product, not the entirety of what the business has to offer sports-wise.

                The new product would likely carry parts of Fox Sports’ offerings, potentially access to one sport rather than the suite of major codes’ rights it holds.”

                Full story: http://www.afr.com/business/media-and-marketing/tv/foxtel-executives-crunching-the-numbers-on-standalone-fox-sports-streaming-service-20180325-h0xxd0

        • April 9th 2018 @ 1:52pm
          LuckyEddie said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:52pm | ! Report

          Ever thought about going to a game or do all of members go no matter what the weather and you tune in when it suits. Maybe you are just lazy and using technology as an excuse.

        • April 11th 2018 @ 9:01am
          Mark said | April 11th 2018 @ 9:01am | ! Report

          What’s often missed about those packages here is that in the US (and Canada for NHL followers) they blackout matches shown on TV locally. So if you love into Dallas, for example, you can’t watch matches shown on Fox, CBS, NBC, ESPN etc in Dallas.

          This means that the packages have a limited impact TV rights negotiations. If the FFA wanted to sell these packages (either themselves or to an intermediary), that would affect the value Fox would pay for the rights.

          Of course Fox, as the current rights holder, could sell the packages if they deem it in their commercial interest.

      • Columnist

        April 9th 2018 @ 12:27pm
        Mike Tuckerman said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

        I agree, Buddy. Yet so much of the A-League’s media microcosm is set up to provide newspaper journalists with quotes.

        How, then, to reach youth who don’t even read newspapers? The E-League is a start, and should be recognised for the savvy piece of marketing that it is, however much of the industry around the A-League exists simply because that’s the way things have been done in the past.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 1:49pm
        LuckyEddie said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

        That’s pretty scary. Do they get their news from the now very dodgy Facebook.

      • Roar Guru

        April 9th 2018 @ 2:06pm
        Griffo said | April 9th 2018 @ 2:06pm | ! Report

        Buddy, there might also be a case that those in charge at FFA look through a MSM lense as an older demographic (print, tv) where they really need to retain someone that funnels the stories via social media for the main demographic of youth.

        Failing to do that doesn’t help engagement if there is little content.

        Also from the little I’ve seen of MLS, it seems all about engaging the fans and the younger demographic at that.

        It’s not so much FFA kicking goals but spraying them all over the place: the goals off target stat would be huge 😛

      • April 9th 2018 @ 2:42pm
        HarryHP said | April 9th 2018 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

        Agree that newspaper circulations are declining, however do not forget that the online versions of these newspapers are alive and well.

        • April 9th 2018 @ 5:02pm
          Buddy said | April 9th 2018 @ 5:02pm | ! Report

          HHP – are we talking free on line content or paid? For example I read ABC and BBC regularly, and I look at Google news. It offers headlines but often takes me to The Australian and they want a paid subscription. At that point I close the window. I don’t object to paying per se but you get such a mixture that I don’t see the value in paying and I don’t know anyone who does and I am not talking from an economic poverty perspective.

    • Roar Guru

      April 9th 2018 @ 8:09am
      Grobbelaar said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:09am | ! Report

      It would appear that the time slot for all five games, every round, appears to be a bad choice.

      If the start time for each game could be adjusted up/down by 15 minutes, it would make a huge difference to attendances.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 8:24am
        Fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        Agree, with a weather remote control to get the conditions just right

      • April 9th 2018 @ 8:26am
        Buddy said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:26am | ! Report

        It isn’t just the 15 minute timeshift to consider though. The stadium is wrong, the scheduling is wrong, the ticket pricing is wrong, sometimes I reckon they must be playing the wrong game. Maybe people see that there is a football match and think that it is Rugby League in NSW or AFL in VIC, SA & WA so they don’t attend. There again maybe the A League doesn’t quite describe the product on offer?

    • April 9th 2018 @ 8:22am
      AR said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:22am | ! Report

      From memory, Finals ticket prices for the ALeague are/were more expensive than those for the NRL.

      Doesn’t quite add up, does it? I understand the FFA pockets all the Finals cash, but some strategic perspective is needed.

      And I’m stunned that the FFA let its social media and digital experts go…presumably due to funding…while David Gallop pockets $1.3M per year. Amazing.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 8:38am
        Fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:38am | ! Report

        The point he is making doesn’t require him to be going to games. It is simply logical

        • April 9th 2018 @ 9:10am
          Post_hoc said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:10am | ! Report

          Chris is 100% correct. The mindset of these posters would be a psychology students dream. Why these people persist in spending time rubishing a sport they have no interest in, speaks volumes on their state.

          Chris is correct in dismissing their views, they add zero value, in fact they are simply out to demolish our game.

        • April 9th 2018 @ 9:10am
          Fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:10am | ! Report

          There are a few Chris, but he isn’t one.

          You need to play the ball mate. A good comment is a good comment, regardless of who makes it.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 9:24am
            lesterlike said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:24am | ! Report

            Sod playing the ball. Why should our tab be ruined by opinions of people who’ve never been to a game in their life, let alone are not part of the real football community.

            We should be treating apologists and outsiders like they deserve, with two footed lunging tackles to the shins.

          • Roar Guru

            April 9th 2018 @ 9:46am
            Ben of Phnom Penh said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:46am | ! Report

            Sorry, Chris. Fad has this one right; you are playing the man and not the ball. AR’s comment is reasonable and worth constructively engaging with.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 10:00am
            Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

            Ben – you do realize this poster ‘AR’ plays the man on every ‘Midfielder’s posts’. No, Chris, is correct for calling him out.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 10:12am
            clipper said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:12am | ! Report

            It is a good comment, but it’s not correct – the A league finals prices last year were more expensive than the NRL finals – they could be had for $20 for the lowest priced tickets, compared to $40 for the lowest priced A league ones. A family pass for A league was $98 compared to $45 for Nth Qld vs Cronulla final.
            I think AR means the AFL finals prices which were comparable and double the price of the NRL ones.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 10:14am
            Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:14am | ! Report

            You’ve summed it up perfectly, Caltex.

            AR attacks the man regularly on this forum.

            Not once have I heard Ben or Fadida, call him out on this behaviour.

            Not once.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 9:32am
        AR said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:32am | ! Report

        chris, I watch several games per season.

        When the ALeague was launched, I reckon I would have gone to at least 5 games per season.

        Before the ALeague was launched, I went to several Perth Glory home games each NSL season.

        It seems that my contributions here are more valid than yours.

        • April 9th 2018 @ 10:05am
          chris said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:05am | ! Report

          hmm I wouldnt bet on that.
          You are always negative. You dont enjoy anything about the game.
          If you do, you certainly dont post it.
          So like I said in my first post, you have zero credibility.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 10:12am
            Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:12am | ! Report

            Spot on, chris. You’ve read this perfectly.

            Like the bigot who constantly attacks immigrants with the excuse “I’ve got a couple of friends who are wogs & I enjoy a curry”.

            We now add the AFL fan who attacks sokkah every day for the past 10 years with the excuse: “I watch a couple of ALeague games each year”.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 3:43pm
              fadida said | April 9th 2018 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

              And yet you claim to watch zero AFL or NRL nemesis and yet you call them “crash and bash” or “coward punch” sports. How can you know this if you don’t watch them? Perhaps they have changed?

              I don’t watch either of them so wouldn’t know personally.

      • April 9th 2018 @ 12:35pm
        chris said | April 9th 2018 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

        And the whole thread of posts regarding this post is gone.
        Nice work Roar

    • April 9th 2018 @ 8:57am
      Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 8:57am | ! Report

      Simple stories to repeat twice a year.

      Have been repeatedly written for the past 12 years.
      Will continue to be repeatedly written for the next 12 years.

      1) The ALeague has terrible TV ratings.
      2) The ALeague has terrible crowds.
      3) The ALeague has terrible quality players.
      4) The ALeague has terrible quality coaches.
      5) The ALeague has terrible owners.
      6) The ALeague has terrible refs.
      7) The Aleague fans are hooligans
      8) The ALeague is doomed.
      9) The ALeague is a farce.
      10) The ALeague is going to collapse.
      11) The Aleague Marquees are a joke
      12) The FFA are useless.
      13) The National Curriculum is a joke.
      14) The National Team Coach is clueless & has never played FIFA on Playstation.

      • Roar Guru

        April 9th 2018 @ 9:08am
        Grobbelaar said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:08am | ! Report

        I would disagree with points 7, 8, 9 and 10.

        I predict a long and prosperous future for the A-League, it’s just that we many not see the fruits of it in our lifetime.

        • April 9th 2018 @ 9:33am
          Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:33am | ! Report

          “I predict a long and prosperous future for the A-League, it’s just that we many not see the fruits of it in our lifetime”

          Indeed. I sincerely hope that’s true for you, Inshallah

          • April 9th 2018 @ 9:51am
            Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

            Nem – it is beginning to happen for him. Let’s not forget this poster use to run with an avatar of a sport person wearing a silly singlet and hot pants. He has now moved on—all be it, with an out of date HAL football avatar, but the signs are now looking a lot better for this poster. And perhaps he will realize his silly mistake by next season’s start, where he’ll run with the proper Melb C, avatar… Give him a bit more time adjust! 🙂

        • April 9th 2018 @ 10:48am
          tommo said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:48am | ! Report

          The same was being said back in the 1950’s that the future is for football was bright, with massive immigration from Europe after the Second world war. Didn’t happen. Again in the 1960’s with the arrival of the boat and plane loads of 10 pound poms. Didn’t happen. Now with refugees and others from the middle east football interest and attendance numbers were to take of. Hasn’t happened.

          • April 9th 2018 @ 11:03am
            Post_hoc said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:03am | ! Report

            and you have evidence of these comments? or are you just making stuff up?

            My money is on the later.

            Football has been played in this country since at least 1875, likely to be earlier, so football’s future has always been bright, it is the most participated sport in the country, so yea the future does look bright. Migrants or not. Too bad for you haters I guess

          • April 9th 2018 @ 11:08am
            Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

            Tommo … is yet another identity for Mr AFL & Grobbelaar.

            Same writing style.
            Same sniping every day.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 11:22am
              Post_hoc said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:22am | ! Report

              How sad of a life they must lead to spend their days attacking a sport they claim is pointless and don’t like. Would love a psychology student to explain the sort of mindset that drives a person to spend their days on a discussion board bagging a sport they don’t like, and to to top it off designing multiple personas to do it. What a sad sad life. We should encourage them to get help

              • April 9th 2018 @ 11:29am
                Nemesis said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:29am | ! Report

                Absolutely. Can you imagine their lives before social media? These are the people enjoy making others unhappy. They’re sociopaths, who have low empathy & the more extreme will take enjoyment from physically harming others.

                You can bet the same people are on other social media sites trolling whoever they can and getting pleasure from annoying others.

                In real life, no one would want to hang around people who are constantly negative about life. People are drawn to others who enjoy the same things.

              • April 9th 2018 @ 11:53am
                Post_hoc said | April 9th 2018 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                Agree, makes you wonder why they target football? What is it about our sport the rankles them so much? I wonder if it is the enjoyment people are having at the game, The way they react to active groups within the game indicates that they have an issue with people just generating joy.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 12:02am
                Hubris said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:02am | ! Report

                What a truly heartwarming double reacharound. No doubt great gushing quantities of joy were generated as a result.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 6:33pm
              AR said | April 9th 2018 @ 6:33pm | ! Report

              “Tommo … is yet another identity for Mr AFL & Grobbelaar.”

              Extraordinary.

              The above accusation is written by someone who has posted as Fussball, FIUL, Uncle Junior, Nemesis, Joe Davola and who knows what other pseudonyms.

              When he introduced “Nemesis”, it came win the elaborate back story of “Hi, I’m not familiar with this site as I’ve been living in (insert suitably vague…) Eastern Europe for ur past 9 years…”

              Quite extraordinary.

            • April 9th 2018 @ 10:32pm
              AR said | April 9th 2018 @ 10:32pm | ! Report

              “Tommo … is yet another identity for Mr AFL & Grobbelaar.”

              And “Nemesis” has written under Fussball, FIUL, Uncle Junior, Joe Davola and probably multiple other pseudonyms.

              When he introduced himself as “Nemesis”, it came with an elaborate back story of “hello, I’m new to this site, having lived in Eastern Europe for the past 9 years…”

              The hypocrisy is beyond embarrassing.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 5:25am
                AR said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:25am | ! Report

                So relevant it was posted twice..!

              • April 10th 2018 @ 8:11am
                Post_hoc said | April 10th 2018 @ 8:11am | ! Report

                Funny that you support your AFL Fanboys, why are you here again?

      • April 9th 2018 @ 9:09am
        Buddy said | April 9th 2018 @ 9:09am | ! Report

        You missed out on the need for appropriate sized stadiums! Funnily enough I was listening to a sports show last week covering NRL and they pushed exactly the same line…needing smaller boutique stadiums to create better atmosphere and better tv viewing – no one likes swathes of empty seats!
        That aside with all those salient points, I do wonder why we go on?

      • April 9th 2018 @ 1:53pm
        LuckyEddie said | April 9th 2018 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

        Click bait ‘journos’ are not just ruining sport.

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