Folau to face his rugby union bosses

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    He’s been able to answer most of the on-field questions posed by opponents, but now Israel Folau must answer to his off-field bosses.

    The classy back is scheduled to meet Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle and her NSW rugby union counterpart Andrew Hore in Sydney on Tuesday to discuss his use of social media.

    Australian rugby’s most thrilling player often gets people excited with his skills and deeds, but some of his words, opinions and posts have triggered less positive passions.

    Wallabies superstar Folau caused an uproar when he said last week gay people were destined for hell “unless they repent of their sins and turn to God”.

    That followed the firestorm generated by his support last year for the ‘No’ campaign during same-sex marriage plebiscite voting.

    His opinions and posts have put Folau at odds with his national and state employers, who have placed great emphasis on the code’s inclusiveness.

    “Israel’s comment reflects his personal religious beliefs, however it does not represent the view of Rugby Australia or NSW Rugby,” Castle said in a statement last week.

    “We are aligned in our view that rugby is a game for all, regardless of sexuality, race, religion or gender, which is clearly articulated in rugby’s inclusion policy.

    While obviously concerned about last week’s post, it’s not clear what action, if any, Folau’s employers can take, other than remind him of their values and ask him to perhaps be more considered and less controversial in his opinions.

    NSW Waratahs back Folau can’t let his feet do the talking for him at the moment, as he’s sidelined by a hamstring injury.

    Code-hopper Folau comes off contract at the end of this year, with the former NRL star and AFL player yet to announce his intentions for 2019.

    His wife Maria is currently representing New Zealand in netball at the Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast.

    © AAP 2018

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    • April 10th 2018 @ 10:35am
      Bootlicker said | April 10th 2018 @ 10:35am | ! Report

      If Castle has got any real power,she has got to cut Folau loose immediately for the good of the RA image. We also will lose QANTAS as our major sponsor if he is not sacked forthwith.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 10th 2018 @ 11:13am
        piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 11:13am | ! Report

        I don’t think it’s quite that dramatic just yet – but he needs his twitter keys taken off him!

    • Roar Rookie

      April 10th 2018 @ 11:20am
      Gary Russell-Sharam said | April 10th 2018 @ 11:20am | ! Report

      IMO Folau should be allowed to have his own opinion as does the ARU. Isn’t it a free world where you get to say without censorship what you believe in.

      I’m not a church goer but I think that I’m a Christian person with Christian beliefs. I have no opinion on Sexuality at all. I care not a wit as to what sexuality you want to be known as or practice.

      But if you are a devout believer in your chosen religion surely you should be allowed to voice your opinion. As does the ARU in favour of inclusion etc (Folau is not advocating for non inclusion)

      All the muslim religions voice their opinion publicly and we as Australians allow them to do so, we actually bend over backwards to allow this to happen.

      So why is Folau any different why are we up in arms about his beliefs, is it because they are not the same as the minority that controls the majority in this country or is it because big business in Australia can’t be seen to take a stance as it might affect it’s profit margin around the world.

      This is the biggest storm in a tea cup news all year. Who really cares what Folau believes in as long as he doesn’t force his views on others. And he is not doing that he merely answered a question put to him on social media.

      He gave his opinion based on his religious views. He gave his honest opinion. Is it now going to be the agenda to make him voice dishonest opinions.

      Why is it that we as a population can’t accept that some people have different views. Are they not entitled to have their own views and opinion.

      And for all those that think I’m Folau’s father or a fan. I’m really not a great fan of him on the rugby pitch I think he is a really good player but there are better fullbacks around than Folau. However he is allowed to have and voice his honest opinion even if it differs from others

      • Roar Rookie

        April 10th 2018 @ 11:26am
        piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 11:26am | ! Report

        No one’s saying he can’t have an opinion

        His employers are asking him not to publicly contradict their position.

        If he wants to quit his job and preach he is entitled to do so, while Qantas and ARU pay his bills, he is not.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 12:02pm
          Train Without A Station said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

          100%

          • April 10th 2018 @ 12:38pm
            Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

            Wayne Smith wrote a somewhat baffling article today where he seemed to imply that if Folau is harshly treated it might result in a decline in Polynesian interest in the code, and possibly destroy the game in Australia.

            • Roar Rookie

              April 10th 2018 @ 12:54pm
              piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

              I think it would be far more damaging to start making special allowances for homophobia for religious reasons.

              You can be religious and be a kind and decent person, it’s not mutually exclusive.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 12:56pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

                Oh, Piru, I fully support RA taking a moral stance and saying that there is no place in our sport for language and ideas that could alienate gay people.

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 12:59pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

                I was directing that at Smith, Fionn

                Though i suppose he probably won’t read it

        • April 10th 2018 @ 12:31pm
          JP said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

          Spot on Piru.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 1:08pm
          Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

          I suspect you might be being overly simplistic, I don’t see it as black and white as all that.

          Argument One:
          Freedom of speech means he can have an opinion — but only if he doesn’t voice it.
          Under what definition is that ‘freedom’ of speech exactly? I’ll remove your chains so you are ‘free’ but only if you don’t run away.

          Argument Two:
          He can voice opinions — but only those approved by his employer.
          But if he’s clearly speaking not on behalf of his employer but as a private individual what business it is of his employer to censor his speech?

          Argument Three:
          We are ‘all’ allowed freedom of speech — except if you have celebrity or influence (and I disagree with your views).
          A triumph of confirmation bias in motion.

          Finally the hypocrisy:
          We oppose what we see as condemnation of homosexuality through condemnation of Folau and oppose perceived intolerance through demanding intolerance of Folau.

          Whether I disagree with Folau or not, in an age where sports individuals have their own direct media outlets (look at Trump), things are going beyond simple.

          • Roar Rookie

            April 10th 2018 @ 4:28pm
            piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

            Ralph I feel like you are deliberately pretending you don’t understand.

            You keep making mention of things he ‘can’t’ do, without explaining who is stopping him or why.

            I’ve explained above, there’s only one thing at issue here – he is paid as a representative and his tweet does not represent his employer the way they wish to be represented.

            Case closed

        • April 10th 2018 @ 1:47pm
          Akari said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

          Totally agree, piru.

          Although this game we all love was born in England, one could say that it is a sport made for Polynesians. It’s a fact that Polynesians were playing rugby long before Izzy Folau was born and will continue with this now Polynesian tradition whether Folau chooses stay in rugby or not, Fionn.

      • Roar Guru

        April 10th 2018 @ 12:08pm
        jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

        I have issue with what Israel is peddling on a number of levels.

        Firstly his employer Rugby Australia has very clear guidelines:

        http://www.rugbyaustralia.com.au/Portals/1/PDFs/InclusionPolicy.pdf

        “There is no place for homophobia or any form of discrimination in our game and our actions and words both on and off the field must reflect this”

        His employers at RA and NSWRU absolutely have the right to sit him down and talk to him about a breach of one of their policies.

        I see his latest message implies he is feeling persecuted for his beliefs and this is another point I take issue with. No one is saying he cannot worship his chosen god.

        He is being told he can’t use discriminatory language. There are many parts of the bible that spout some quite vile ideas. There is support for slavery, sexism, genocide, infanticide and the list goes on.

        If he can cite his book giving him a religious freedom without question then he could condone sexual slavery, with a father having the right to sell his daughter into servitude. He could also say that she owes her new master obedience even if he is cruel and abusive, these are statements within this collection of books. (1 Peter 2:18 for that last one)

        Now if a woman had escaped modern day slavery and someone posted on his Instagram feed – what should happen to her for running away from her captors? Would anyone be supporting Folau if he had followed his book and said she was going to hell unless she repented for her disobedience?

        Finally I take exception to the idea he is just stating his beliefs.

        I’d take issue with anyone making these statements but a person of his celebrity and status making these comments is damaging. Suicide is the leading cause of death for those aged 15-44 with a disproportionate number of the LGBTQ community represented in those statistics.

        https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/leading-causes-of-death

        His words are harmful and he needs to be aware of that.

        • April 10th 2018 @ 12:35pm
          Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

          Well put.

          I think people also have to remembered that Folau isn’t an academic or public intellectual paid to give his opinion on things. He is paid for his ability to play rugby and for his ability to boost interest in the code—it seems that his comments have damaged his reputation and ability to bring positive interest in the code.

          I do, however, wonder whether this may have ramifications for future contracting with Australian rugby.

          I saw someone post rather cryptically on Twitter yesterday that there are rumours that Folau has already signed his next contract, and that it isn’t in rugby. Does anyone know anything about this?

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 12:51pm
          Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

          “There is support for slavery, sexism, genocide, infanticide and the list goes on”

          Cherry picking a single verse to support four outlandish claims shows a spectacular disregard for facts.

          • April 10th 2018 @ 12:55pm
            Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

            No, Ralph, he is right on the money. You’re making a rather poor attempt to deny what it is in the Bible.

            Virtually all Christians admit that the Bible contains verses that espouse utterly unacceptable beliefs for our modern secular society.

            The fact is that modern Christians virtually all ignore these horrid verses and focus instead on the positive ones.

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 1:11pm
              Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

              Apart from not being qualified to speak on behalf of “all Christians” as you are attempting to fro – post the proofs you have that followers of Christ should practice infanticide.

              He is nowhere near the money.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:16pm
                jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

                I’m not saying followers of Christ should practice infanticide – I’m saying there are verses in the bible supporting it.

                I’ve posted you a link just below

              • April 10th 2018 @ 1:19pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                I never purported to speak for ‘all Christians’.

                The fact is that modern Christians do ignore the nastier verses in the Bible.

                The only ones who support practices such as slavery are in no way modern, and would be rejected by every Christian denomination that I can think of.

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:25pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

                The breathtaking sense of entitlement from some Christians is just staggering.

                His religion has no bearing on this

                His statement is in contradiction to his employer’s position – it doesn’t matter if he’s religious or not, his stated position is incompatible with his contract requirements.

                Some of you would be the first to complain that teh muzlims want sharia law, but you want exactly the same thing for yourselves.

                Special treatment for you and your opinions because Jesus

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

                Look, I get you don’t agree with Folau, that is your right. I don’t oppose it at any level.

                But I am a follower of Christ and when you start telling me what I believe and post half truths and cherry picked verses without any context I draw the line.

                If you want to contact me and talk true biblical scholarship then my door is open, but please stop quoting things to create straw men you can shoot down. You clearly don’t understand what Christ stands for or what HIs teaching is.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 1:29pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

                Ralph, I don’t like throwing around insults, but that comment was baffling and somewhat ridiculous. Whinging about ‘cherry picking’ is fairly pathetic, for Jez was only pointing out that these passaged existed in the Bible. Anyone is perfectly within their power to quote verses in the Bible.

                I, frankly, am staggered at what you are saying: ‘You clearly don’t understand what Christ stands for or what HIs teaching is.’ This was actually my entire point. Modern Christians ignore most of the uglier passages in the Bible and instead follow Christ’s message of love and tolerance of other people.

                Unless you are going to claim to me that modern Christians use the Bible to justify slavery and the other things Jez quoted then we are on the same page. However, you simply cannot deny that those passages are in the Bible, because people can go and check them.

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:30pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:30pm | ! Report

                Sorry mate but it’s you who is cherry picking

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:32pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

                Priu,

                I don’t agree the employment position is quite as simple as you do, but the post detailing why is being moderated.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:33pm
                jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

                I don’t think that most Christians believe or support these things – never anywhere have I suggested that they do so we appear to be in agreement on that point.

                I am conflating the verses often cited by some Christians to support condemnation of homosexuality as being on par with these other verses that support things that are very broadly condemned.

                To use some horrendous parts of the books to support some views, while wilfully ignoring other parts is to not recognise an error in logic.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:35pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

                Fionn,

                I am not arguing the versus don’t exist, check my posts.

                If you want to enter into any useful discussion on what Christ teaches contact me.

                Quoting newspaper articles that quote less than 1% of 1% won’t form the basis for rational discussion. An entry point maybe, but this is hardly the forum.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 1:38pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

                Sorry, Ralph. You’re being disingenuous and misleading.

                You cannot deny that these passages exist.

                The most you can do is say that they don’t actually represent the true ideology and message of Christ.

                I would agree with you with this. However, you also contradicted me when I said that most modern Christians do not accept the validity of these verses and instead follow Christ’s message of love and tolerance.

                You cannot have it both ways.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:39pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

                “You cannot deny that these passages exist.”

                I didn’t. But thanks I guess.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 1:41pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

                Then what is your point? And don’t say ‘it’s “cherry picking”‘ because that is literally what is being done when someone ‘quotes’ a text.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 3:53pm
                jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

                To “quote less than 1% of 1% won’t form the basis for rational discussion

                Isn’t that what Izzy has done? He is making homophobic comments and we are being told we can’t criticise the man due to the justification of his religious beliefs.

                Is the justification due to a couple of verses in the collection of books? Or is he entitled to make these kinds of statements just because he claims it as a religious belief based on what he thinks his god wants?

                Would you support a racist making hateful comments if they used a religious defence?

            • April 10th 2018 @ 1:24pm
              Theologian said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

              The problem in this entire discussion over the last week is that it is being carried out by people who are not at all concerned by their utter lack of understanding of Christian theology. It’s easier to demonize Folau (and a couple of billion other people), rather than take the time to engage with what they actually believe. The saddest part is that those who could actually help people to understand have given up because of the “hands in ears shouting la la la” of the masses.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 2:05pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

                Sorry, mate, 60% of Australians identify as Christian but a majority of the population votd in favour of SSM.

                You’re living in fantasy land if you think all Christians believe that gay people are going to hell. News flash: they don’t all believe so.

                In fact, according to Italian sources the Pope allegedly said that Hell doesn’t even exist.

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 2:20pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

                The problem in this entire discussion over the last week is that it is being carried out by people who are not at all concerned by their utter lack of understanding of Christian theology.

                No

                The problem in this discussion is that it has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Certain sections are trying to frame it as a religious debate, and then tell the rest of use we don’t have a right to an opinion because we never went to seminary.

                No one really cares what he believes, they just don’t want him tweeting homophobic remarks that reflect badly on Rugby Australia

                that’s it

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 3:42pm
              Timbo (L) said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

              It is even simpler. The Australian commonwealth has legislated against the practices of these horrid fables and any speech advocating for them.

              I like the way you used the term “modern” for “good Christians”

              FOlau apologists use the term “Traditional” when talking about his churches system of beliefs. I prefer to call a spade a spade – They are “Medieval” or “Bronze Age” beliefs.

          • Roar Guru

            April 10th 2018 @ 1:11pm
            jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

            Ralph, here is a summary of some of those verses.

            https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html

            I only cited one example in my post as I didn’t want to turn an already long post into a bibliography and cite every instance. We are on a discussion site rather writing academic papers afterall.

            This is hardly an exhaustive list as a quick google search can easily help inform.

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 1:21pm
              Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

              So your source of biblical scholarship is the Telegraph newspaper?

              No wonder you think as you do.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

                Ralph, no offence, but are you trying to be argumentative?

                “This is what the Lord Almighty says … ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'”

                Everyone can read that statement, and interpret it. You do not have to be a priest to do so (one of the advantages of the Bible being translated). Please tell us what this passage means if you are going to claim he is wrong?

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:27pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

                So your source of biblical scholarship is the Telegraph newspaper?

                Why don’t you point out to us which are wrong?

                I’ve read your book cover to cover and these all seem to be legit.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:28pm
                jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

                Ha ha – that was just one summary neatly collated together found via google.

                Are you saying they are lying? I don’t actually own a bible to check each reference myself but searching those verses via google throws up amazingly consistent results.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:29pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

                See above Fionn.

                This is hardly the forum.

                I am simply trying to correct against the worst excesses of misinformation being posted.

                In even other aspect I am over this issue as much as anyone on this site.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 1:32pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

                No Ralph, you’re trying to deny that verses that are in the Bible exist.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:36pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

                Fionn,

                Show the post that said I denied the verses exist.

                Putting words in my mouth is not the foundation for a rational argument.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 3:44pm
                Timbo (L) said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:44pm | ! Report

                Well, the Telegraph is a more believable source than the Bible….
                At least it uses facts from time to time.

            • April 10th 2018 @ 1:27pm
              Theologian said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

              Oy vey jeznez. Seriously. You can’t just pluck verses out of the Bible divorced from their context and their theology.

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 2:02pm
                jeznez said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

                That is pretty much my point

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 2:21pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

                Perhaps you should let Israel know

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 2:30pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

                At last Piru we agree.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 12:08pm
        DTM said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

        I agree with what you are saying but the ARU can’t have an opinion. The ARU is an organization, opinion’s belong to people.
        The CEO of the ARU can have an opinion but that may not be consistent with other people throughout the organization.
        You cannot legislate someone’s opinion (in Australia, as of April 2018 but I am concerned for the future).
        Unfortunately, in Australia today, if your opinion does not conform with some other people’s opinion, they consider it their right to name call and abuse.
        Personally, I disagree with Israel’s opinion on some matters but respect that he is entitled to have and to speak that opinion.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 12:11pm
          Train Without A Station said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

          They can have an opinion – their guidelines.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 10th 2018 @ 12:16pm
          piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

          this just goes in circles doesn’t it?

          no one is stopping him having an opinion

        • April 10th 2018 @ 12:21pm
          aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

          Organisations have ‘opinions’ every day of the week. They are sometimes called policies. In fact an organisation couldn’t function without them. Folau can have his opinions, but if he wants the $$$ he has to abide by the organisation’s social media and other policies like everyone else.

          • April 10th 2018 @ 1:15pm
            Adsa said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

            That some it up for me, he can have and express his opinions but ultimately it could cost him dollars from RA – lower contract renewal offer and sponsors – we do not wish our brand to be associated with you.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 12:17pm
        aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

        And the last muslim sportsperson to make a public statement to the effect that gay people are all (by definition) egregious sinners who are going to hell unless they repent was…….

        As has been said many times, this is a contract matter, not a freedom of speech matter. People are sacked for breaching their employer’s social media policy every day.

        In Folau’s case it is worse than usual because he is a high profile role model for rugby. He takes the millions, he can at least keep his homophobia to himself. I don’t want him further damaging the game in Australia by undermining the code’s message of inclusiveness. And yes, telling people they are going to hell unless they stop being true to themselves is damaging.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 12:18pm
          Train Without A Station said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

          Anthony Mundine. Widely criticized for it.

          The fact is he has no employer so nobody took similar action.

    • April 10th 2018 @ 11:56am
      DTM said | April 10th 2018 @ 11:56am | ! Report

      I don’t follow rugby and I don’t go to church.
      However, we need to stand up for this man – he has voiced his opinion based on his faith. As far as I am aware, that is not illegal in this country.
      Any contract that does not allow a minor signatory to that contract to express their personal religious beliefs should never be allowed in this country.

      • Roar Guru

        April 10th 2018 @ 12:02pm
        Train Without A Station said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

        Yes it’s not illegal.

        That’s why he isn’t being prosecuted for a crime.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 10th 2018 @ 12:04pm
        piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

        It is not illegal

        That’s why he has not been charged

        Being religious doesn’t allow you to say what you want about anyone you want without consequences, don’t be ridiculous

      • Roar Guru

        April 10th 2018 @ 12:44pm
        Jokerman said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

        DTM, being religious does not give someone special rights to deliver hates speeches.

        Your argument is that because he is expressing his faith, he is allowed to discriminate and use hate speech. The law does not give special powers to those who believe an a deity.

        “He’s just expressing his faith” It’s a fallacy and this view is expressed from red necks and homophobes…and closets !! Now which one are you ?!

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 12:53pm
          Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

          It was not a hate speech. If it was he would be prosecuted.

          • Roar Rookie

            April 10th 2018 @ 12:58pm
            piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

            Semantics

            • April 10th 2018 @ 1:13pm
              Dave said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

              Facts

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm
              Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

              Until you get prosecuted.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 10th 2018 @ 1:11pm
          ChrisG said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

          Well said. Bit of a twist in DTM’s statement too re. “Any contract that does not allow a minor signatory to that contract to express their personal religious beliefs should never be allowed in this country.” Folau is just being asked to comply with his employer’s policies. I’m pretty sure there’s nothing in his contract prevention him expressing religious views.

          • Roar Rookie

            April 10th 2018 @ 1:18pm
            piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

            So religious people should be allowed to say whatever they want about whoever they want with no legal or professional repurcussions?

            Don’t be absurd

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 1:27pm
              Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

              No, we have laws against hate speech and we are all equal under the law.

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:28pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

                Except you want to be allowed to express bigotry and hatred and hide behind Jesus

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 1:38pm
                Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

                (shrug). You don’t even know what I want.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 12:58pm
        clipper said | April 10th 2018 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

        He is using his celebrity, off the back of his employer, to peddle his opinions. There would be no trouble if he wasn’t known, it would just be another keyboard warrior – he’s free to join in and add to any discussion. As he’s one of the faces of Rugby, he has to follow their policies. Most CEO’s or high profile employees would be in the same boat if they went against their employers.

    • April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm
      BrainsTrust said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

      Maybe FOlau needs to break his contract and this is way.
      Suarez I suspected his biting was to get himself a transfer.

    • April 10th 2018 @ 1:57pm
      Dennis Hopper Jr. said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

      I thought religious freedom gave one the freedom to bother god in a style of ones choosing, not to pile crap on your fellow man.
      A proper rugby man passed away today, a real fullback who put bums on seats because he wasn’t a vacuous show pony. RIP Fergie McCormick

    • April 10th 2018 @ 2:20pm
      PK said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

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