Israel Folau avoids punishment for anti-gay comments following meeting with rugby bosses

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    Israel Folau has met with Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle and her NSW Rugby counterpart Andrew Hore, and while he hasn’t been issued with any sanction, the Wallabies star has given no clear commitment to stop his comments demonising gay people.

    Folau made headlines last week when he commented on Instagram that God’s plan for gay people is “Hell. Uness they repent of their sins.” Folau also courted controversy last year during the marriage equality plebiscite when he tweeted his support for the ‘no’ campaign.

    The comments received widespread backlash and brought Rugby AU under commercial pressure, with high-profile partner Qantas saying they may end their sponsorship following the incident.

    However, despite that fallout and recognising that what he said “caused some grief”, Folau has given no guarantee that he won’t make similar comments in the future, with Castle saying the star fullback has gone away to think about his approach to social media after an “open, calm and honest” discussion today.

    “Where we’ve got to is Israel’s presented his situation to us and where his views are and his beliefs are and we’re proud of the fact that he’s a strong believer and he’s prepared to stand up for what he believes in and we want athletes in our code that are prepared to do that and that’s really important,” Castle said.

    “But at the same time, Rugby Australia’s also got a policy in a position of inclusion and using social media with respect.

    “So that’s where we shared stories and we shared ideas and we shared positions and both of us recognise that what we want is a situation where we use our social media platforms in a respectful and positive way.

    “Israel’s gone away to think about that. He’s proud of what he is and what he stands for, so he wants to make sure that we’re not asking him to compromise those beliefs.”

    Castle said Folau “acknowledged he could have put a more positive spin on the message” – although what kind of a positive spin he could have put on a post condemning gay people to hell wasn’t touched on.

    Castle didn’t rule out handing down a sanction to Folau in the future, saying it is an ongoing process, of which the meeting today was only the first step.

    Folau, Castle and Hore are set to have further meetings in the coming days.

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    • April 10th 2018 @ 1:45pm
      Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

      So all the talk by people saying that Folau was being persecuted by his employers for utilising his freedom of religion turned out to be untrue histrionics?

      Shocking.

      Who could possibly have anticipated this?

      • Roar Rookie

        April 10th 2018 @ 1:46pm
        piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

        Only everyone!

        It does say there may be more in the future but I think this is probably the best outcome.

        I’m sure he’s not a malicious person, but they need to get him on the straight and narrow

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 2:22pm
          Timbo (L) said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

          Yup: 2nd Last Paragraph

          Castle didn’t rule out handing down a sanction to Folau in the future, saying it is an ongoing process, of which the meeting today was only the first step.

          In my opinion, by the tone of the meeting I can’t see it going any further.

          I am betting there were some lawyers involved and RA are walking the free speech/religious freedom tightrope.

          • Roar Guru

            April 11th 2018 @ 1:39pm
            Matt H said | April 11th 2018 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

            They also might be walking the ‘rugby league is happy to have me’ line.

        • April 10th 2018 @ 7:32pm
          Don Lampard said | April 10th 2018 @ 7:32pm | ! Report

          “….on the straight and narrow” GOLD! – Folau has already ticked that box sunshine.

        • April 11th 2018 @ 2:14am
          Nigel said | April 11th 2018 @ 2:14am | ! Report

          Get him on the straight and narrow???? Interesting comment!! Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!!

        • April 11th 2018 @ 12:19pm
          Canetragic said | April 11th 2018 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

          That might be part of the problem Piru – he’s too straight and narrow 🙂

      • Roar Guru

        April 10th 2018 @ 1:58pm
        Train Without A Station said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

        But-but-but… Freedom of Speech…

        • Roar Rookie

          April 10th 2018 @ 2:10pm
          piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

          Don’t you start

          • Roar Guru

            April 10th 2018 @ 2:14pm
            Train Without A Station said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

            Don’t infringe my freedom of religion!

            • April 10th 2018 @ 3:01pm
              Cynical Play said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

              Don’t infringe my freedom from religion.

              I watch sport to escape. I watch rugby because the human spirit can soar. All are equal on the footy field. Poor old Izzy is indoctrinated and, like so many, cannot go against his church and culture. Religion has alot to answer for, the least being me losing another hero.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 3:03pm
                Cynical Play said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

                Just so it’s clear I totally disagree with his intolerant and hurtful campaign.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 4:15pm
                Reverse Wheel said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

                I think you’ve nailed it CP. It’s still not really kosher to say it out loud, but what you really want is freedom from religion. All those people who don’t hold your view are fine as long as they keep it to themselves. You, on the other hand, are free to say whatever you want, because you are of the new illuminati.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 3:37pm
                double agent said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

                Campaign?

              • April 10th 2018 @ 4:08pm
                Mzilikazi said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

                “I watch rugby because the human spirit can soar.” Great comment, CP. I’m sure I won’t find a better one below…or in the next year !!

                When asked about my religion, the answer is very easy !

              • April 11th 2018 @ 5:30am
                Taylorman said | April 11th 2018 @ 5:30am | ! Report

                Gay rugby players wont be doing much spirit soaring though. Thats so unfortunate.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 5:08pm
                Cynical Play said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

                campaign probably the wrong word, sure DA. retracted.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 12:39pm
                Perthstayer said | April 11th 2018 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

                Very bizarre. I think this episode may actually have brought some encouragement for those Folau said quite literally are damned.

                Any minority group who feel they are not treated the same as the majority would, I think, take comfort when said majority shows them full support. Which it seems to me has happened in this case.

                It’s a funny old world

              • April 11th 2018 @ 1:02pm
                Ken Catchpole’s Other Leg said | April 11th 2018 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

                Cynical, a request to leave out the word ‘hell’ from public tweets on gays is a long way from Izzy being asked to abandon his religion.

        • April 10th 2018 @ 4:24pm
          Mr Hollywood said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

          So according to St Folau, the Wallabies front row are going to Hell?

          But what about Folau? How does he know he’s safe from entering Hell?

          I put Nigel Owens as a kinder, more moralistic man than Folau. The universe is on Nigel Owens side not Folau.

          • April 11th 2018 @ 5:36am
            Taylorman said | April 11th 2018 @ 5:36am | ! Report

            Yeah well its kind of obvious, you have your doctrine… thousands of years old words that some blindly mutter without real thought if accuracy or consideration versus the reality of todays world and how people are genuinely affected by them, citing personal and real life situations.

            Pretty obvious who has his finger on the pulse there. One in la la land, the other in the trenches with the real cross on his back tending the wounded.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 4:51pm
          Jokerman said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

          I’m sorry Roar I got my comments taken down for saying Folau could be the Antichrist. I might have been out of line there. Folau probably has just a few Antichrist traits – not fully blown like I suggested. As for TWAS…I say no more. All better ?!

          Peace peace lets all move forward…

          Go the All Blacks !!

          • April 10th 2018 @ 5:01pm
            Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

            ‘Go the All Blacks !!’

            You don’t need to comment that every single comment. We get it, you support the All Blacks.

            • Roar Rookie

              April 10th 2018 @ 5:13pm
              piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

              Oi! Don’t impinge on our religious freedoms Fionn

              • April 11th 2018 @ 5:37am
                Taylorman said | April 11th 2018 @ 5:37am | ! Report

                Ha ha, maybe theyre the Anti -C?

              • April 11th 2018 @ 5:43am
                Uncle Eric said | April 11th 2018 @ 5:43am | ! Report

                Or Jokerman’s right to support the AB’s!!

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 6:30pm
              Jokerman said | April 10th 2018 @ 6:30pm | ! Report

              Fionn you probably have a few issues with your own team – pie thrower, pie maker, go-to-the-Hell-faker, and then the master fashion baker…!?

              I’m unsure how you’re going to resolve this. Taunting the haka certainly ain’t going to work. Poke a stick at it? Yeah, nah. “You’re going Hell!” That won’t work.

              I have the all aswears, Fionn. But what good would that be? You wouldn’t learn the lessons. So you have to walk the path and find what they may be.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 6:41pm
                Campbell Watts said | April 10th 2018 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

                There’s a rap in there Jokerman! Mean rhymin’ bro!

              • Roar Guru

                April 11th 2018 @ 6:41am
                Jokerman said | April 11th 2018 @ 6:41am | ! Report

                Ha thanks 😉

            • April 10th 2018 @ 7:10pm
              Mr Hollywood said | April 10th 2018 @ 7:10pm | ! Report

              I don’t think Fionn has ever fully recovered from when I poked fun at his profile picture. I couldn’t help it. I was very bored that day and here was this picture of Fionn running after a horse.

              Then David Lord called him “Fiona”. Lordy tried to back out of it saying he wasn’t wearing his glasses.

              It was a very good excuse by Lordy, and I have now used it on the odd occasion when I’ve pretend to be blind. Just to get through long queues and stuff.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 8:29pm
                Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 8:29pm | ! Report

                Did you ever make fun of my picture? I didn’t notice, I don’t remember and I don’t care Mr “Hollywood”.

                I also don’t care about someone getting my name wrong. It shows the maturity of about a 8 year old (that’s when people stopped laughing about it at school).

              • April 11th 2018 @ 6:34am
                Mr Hollywood said | April 11th 2018 @ 6:34am | ! Report

                Please accept my most sincere apologies, Fiona.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 7:45am
                Fionn said | April 11th 2018 @ 7:45am | ! Report

                Witty to the last, Mr “Hollywood”. You’ve now demonstarted the maturity and intelligence of a 9 year old. Congratulations.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 9:07am
                Mr Hollywood said | April 11th 2018 @ 9:07am | ! Report

                900 years? I’m actually a bit older. I’m including my past lives of course, it’s not been done in one continuous stretch.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 9:09am
                Mr Hollywood said | April 11th 2018 @ 9:09am | ! Report

                Perhaps that’s where your fascination with horses comes from?

      • April 10th 2018 @ 2:57pm
        cuw said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:57pm | ! Report

        @ Fionn

        this may have something to do with the fact that his contract is coming up for discussion.

        imo – aussy rugger has invested a lot in IF , they cant have him walk off – which he can do to anywhere he likes.

        if IF stay in union then there will be a lot more conditions and clauses in the contract.

        maybe there will be a new line in the small print that bans him from unnecessary tweets 🙂

        this is like the case of Brock Lesner – when he first walked out of WWE to join UFC. WWE invested a lot in young Lesner and were livid he left at moments notice. they tried hard to get him back but the only reason Lesner left UFC is becoz he was sick and could not fight for real.

        • April 10th 2018 @ 4:07pm
          Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

          If he walks then he walks.

          I hope that he stays in rugby because he loves the sport, but if he doesn’t love the sport then we shouldn’t be using him as the poster boy anyway.

      • Roar Guru

        April 10th 2018 @ 4:03pm
        Rabbitz said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

        Persecution, eh?

        I think the Philosopher A.C. Graying said it best about the perceived persecution of those who claim to be Chrisan:

        “Religious apologists complain bitterly that atheists and secularists are aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them. I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn’t argue with us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we’re doing is, we’re presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions, and you complain.”

        • April 10th 2018 @ 4:06pm
          Fionn said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

          Just so it’s clear, I never said he was being persecuted, I claimed that other people said that he was being persecuted.

          • Roar Guru

            April 10th 2018 @ 4:23pm
            Rabbitz said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

            Point taken and I apologise if it reads I was attacking you.

            Folau has taken that line by quoting Matthew 5:10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

            • Roar Rookie

              April 10th 2018 @ 4:30pm
              piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:30pm | ! Report

              Do you think he meant himself or the gay people he persecuted?

              • Roar Guru

                April 10th 2018 @ 5:23pm
                Rabbitz said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

                Definitely he feels he is being persecuted. I am sure that in his eyes being gay isn’t righteous.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 6:27pm
                Selector said | April 10th 2018 @ 6:27pm | ! Report

                On point Piru!
                Therefore that overrides thier previous trip to hell and they get to go to heaven. Thanks Folau!! What a saviour!!!

          • April 11th 2018 @ 10:31pm
            Keith of WA said | April 11th 2018 @ 10:31pm | ! Report

            aaah get over it Fion. You actually said “the talk about Folau being persecuted by his EMPLOYERS”

            I never said anything about his employers and don’t recall it being the focus… it was the hysteria by the

            (wait for it folks…)

            “hanky wringers” on their moral high horses and abusing people because he has said something that doesn’t fit with their opinion on what he SHOULD say…..

            The simple fact that none of you can avoid is that he responded to a question asking about gods plan for gays. It was bait… sure…

            But he has as much right to say what he believes as everyone else….

            You Fion made it clear you would have kept your mouth shut…. now you keep wining about persecution…. and ‘it wasn’t you that said it’ …. wow….

            run away then…

        • April 10th 2018 @ 4:09pm
          BennO said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

          Brilliant!

        • April 12th 2018 @ 8:18am
          John Templeton said | April 12th 2018 @ 8:18am | ! Report

          When “you guys” were in charge? What about when “you guys” were feeding Christians to the lions. These aren’t arguments they are punishments for viewpoints you don’t like.

      • April 11th 2018 @ 8:32am
        JJJ said | April 11th 2018 @ 8:32am | ! Report

        Just leave Australian rugby, Israel. Go somewhere where you won’t be persecuted for expressing Christian beliefs. But be quick because there aren’t many places left to do it.

      • April 11th 2018 @ 2:07pm
        In Brief said | April 11th 2018 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

        If being called into the headmasters office and facing a public dressing down is not a case of being persecuted by his employers I would like to know what is. This whole episode reveals how the west has really reached the nadir intellectually and in terms of civilization. Today ignorance trumps education.

        • April 12th 2018 @ 6:41pm
          Yoshi said | April 12th 2018 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

          “Today ignorance trumps education.”

          See above poster for perfect example.

      • April 13th 2018 @ 9:54am
        Drongo said | April 13th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        Because he stood his ground and the Munster gave in.

    • Roar Guru

      April 10th 2018 @ 1:58pm
      Paul D said | April 10th 2018 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

      Good outcome. This is just a shot across his bows. It’s like “Israel – we don’t care what you think, but don’t say it on twitter.”

      Certainly they would want to make sure they’ve given him every opportunity to adjust his behaviour before sacking him if it came to that – although I daresay a significant minority would claim it’s persecution regardless.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 8:23pm
        Vic said | April 10th 2018 @ 8:23pm | ! Report

        No more so than Kurtley Beale did a year or so ago when he sent some disgusting and abusive texts to a female employee of ARU, and was not punished. I remember multiple comments on here abusing the female complainant, and few against Beale.

        Folau expressed his personal beliefs, not against anyone specifically, which some may disagree with or not.

        It takes a high degree of maturity to accept the fact that others are entitled to their beliefs and opinions regardless of whether we agree with them or not, or whether we feel insulted or not. And that their beliefs are not necessarily wrong simply because we disagree with them.

        • April 11th 2018 @ 12:02am
          Fin said | April 11th 2018 @ 12:02am | ! Report

          My memory may not be right but I thought Beale copped a substantial fine and missed a couple of tests.

          • Roar Rookie

            April 12th 2018 @ 9:31am
            Paulo said | April 12th 2018 @ 9:31am | ! Report

            Not justifying either Beale or Folau, but one was a sent to a group ‘privately’, one was posted to public platform. So I think that is a point of difference too. Note, I am not defending either. I have no love for Beale and think that whole saga was ugly.

    • Roar Guru

      April 10th 2018 @ 2:00pm
      Mango Jack said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

      Castle has taken the sensible approach here. Coming down hard with fines or suspensions, even though they are probably entitled to do that under a breach of his contract conditions, would be heavy-handed and alienate a lot of people. And the reality is that Folau does need to think about his actions. Entitled as he is to believe in such things, when he expresses it publicly, it has consequences, not least for vulnerable young gay people.

      • Roar Guru

        April 10th 2018 @ 2:25pm
        Timbo (L) said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

        Give him 4 weeks……..or whenever his hamstrings recovers….. that will teach him a lesson.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 2:29pm
        Ben said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

        So, you’re saying he has the same rights as you to believe in such things. But he has no right to say it publicly because it might upset some weaker minded people.

        • April 10th 2018 @ 3:02pm
          aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

          No matter how many times anyone explains it to you you just won’t get it Ben, will you?

          He can think and say what he likes, but in doing so, if he breaches his employment contract he can be sanctioned, same as anyone else.

          You think as a fundamentalist Christian he should have special privileges in his employment? That is not the law.

          • April 10th 2018 @ 3:15pm
            cuw said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

            @ aussikiwi

            depends on what is in his contract.

            u cannot keep adding as u go along – or as they say shift the goal posts.

            if my memory is right England cricket added a specific clause re: social media , after the KP and SB issue ( when a parody account kept on leaking dressing room stuff about KP – and KP alleged that it was actually SB ).

            maybe aussy will have to do the same if they dont have such clauses.

            i wonder if u saw the case of the Apple engineer – whose daughter put out a video of iphone 10 , well before its release . he lost his job becoz his contract prevented him from leaking info on new products.

            • April 10th 2018 @ 5:47pm
              aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:47pm | ! Report

              I would be amazed if they didn’t already have such a policy. Very few big organisations dont have social media/public comment policies these days. People get sacked for breaching such policies all the time.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 7:34pm
                cuw said | April 10th 2018 @ 7:34pm | ! Report

                ur talking about rugby Australia – or what ever it is called 😛

                ” New Zealander Castle described the meeting as “very open, very calm and very honest” and applauded Folau for having strong beliefs but said his use of social media needed to be respectful.

                “There’s a very clear policy around social media,” she told the New Zealand Herald.

                “When [athletes] use public platforms they need to think about the implications of a comment they make.

                “Israel acknowledged he could have put a more positive spin on the message.

                “He understands he’s caused some grief in this.

                “He’s a very religious man.

                “He wants to see everyone live in a positive world but needs to make sure he’s respectful.” “

              • April 11th 2018 @ 5:42am
                Taylorman said | April 11th 2018 @ 5:42am | ! Report

                Somehow I dont think God does ‘spin’😂 not many truly clear statemts than going to hell. Perhaps he could have said theyve upgraded it? Turned the burners down perhaps?

          • April 10th 2018 @ 3:29pm
            Ben said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

            “But at the same Rugby Australia has a policy of inclusion” Raylene Boyle

            Key word there being “inclusion”. I’m thinking that gay people aren’t the only ones that fall under that banner, maybe Folau does too champ.

            • Roar Guru

              April 10th 2018 @ 3:55pm
              Mango Jack said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

              And if a player tweeted that people of pacific island descent are going to hell, they would be in trouble as well.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 5:43pm
                double agent said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

                Actually in the fundamental religion stuff I think everyone is going to hell. I’m no expert. I remember sitting comatosed during Religious Studies classes at my anglican school 30 years ago and it seemed from what I could gather that we were all going to hell unless we repented or invited Jesus into our lives or something. Later on I heard the anglicans don’t believe in hell anymore. It’s hard to follow.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 7:06am
                Gurudoright said | April 11th 2018 @ 7:06am | ! Report

                Exactly. I’m going to hell according to the scriptures because I don’t believe in the Christian God. I’m not going to chuck a hissy fit if Folau comes out and says all non believers are going to hell. I’ll just think “whatever” and move on living my life. Simple. People are too precious these days

              • April 11th 2018 @ 10:09pm
                Drongo said | April 11th 2018 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

                We are all going to hell. See you there!

            • April 10th 2018 @ 5:51pm
              aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:51pm | ! Report

              Nooone has excluded Folau. He has been rightly criticised for excluding others. In short, he has said that gay people deserve eternal damnation unless they repent. Nice.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 6:10pm
                Reverse Wheel said | April 10th 2018 @ 6:10pm | ! Report

                If it makes you feel better, so do you. And the rest of us…

              • April 10th 2018 @ 6:25pm
                aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 6:25pm | ! Report

                No it doesn’t, because gay people haven’t actually done anything except be themselves, the way god made them, but in Folau’s world they are singled out for eternal damnation purely on the basis of whom they sleep with. Weird.

                I just thank the universe that these days society, and most Christians are more enlightened than that.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 8:39pm
                Reverse Wheel said | April 10th 2018 @ 8:39pm | ! Report

                Yeah I don’t think that was actually what he was trying to say. A basic Christian tenet is that all have sinned and need to repent and follow Jesus. Gay, straight, whatever. Folau made the mistake of stating that in response to a troll question about gay people, which understandably caused offense. But his belief is not that gay people are especially deserving of hell.

              • April 10th 2018 @ 9:35pm
                aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 9:35pm | ! Report

                What? That was exactly what he said. Being gay, without more, will take you straight to hell. That is God’s plan for you if you don’t repent. Even if you are otherwise more virtuous thsn Mother Theresa. Couldn’t be clearer what he was saying.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 10:34pm
                Keith of WA said | April 11th 2018 @ 10:34pm | ! Report

                No he didn’t say that…

                he said GODS PLAN is HELL… you are making a straw man argument….

              • April 12th 2018 @ 11:38am
                aussikiwi said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:38am | ! Report

                Get real, Keith of WA. IF is an evangelical Christian. He believes everything he thinks god has told him. According to his interpretation of god’s word unrepentant gays deserve to go to hell just because they are gay.

                The only straw person here is the one you are constructing in a futile attempt to disguise the homophobia implicit in Folau’s tweet.

              • April 12th 2018 @ 8:23am
                John Templeton said | April 12th 2018 @ 8:23am | ! Report

                What about for vulnerable young morally conservative people who are already ostracized in many places today by their own culture? Hearing a role model shares your views can make a world of difference to them. Tolerance, if it were real, would work both ways.

            • April 11th 2018 @ 12:09am
              Fin said | April 11th 2018 @ 12:09am | ! Report

              Raylene Boyle? Not sure what she has to do with it? Although i did see her on the back page and found her comments around testosterone use by female athletes in the 80s, and their tragic side effects later in life, of interest.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 3:11pm
                Ben said | April 11th 2018 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

                Realised that about half an hour after posting. haha

          • April 10th 2018 @ 5:12pm
            Ben said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:12pm | ! Report

            Can you tell me how Folau “breached” his contract, yet didn’t get punished?

            You don’t get it do you? As much as it upsets the self-righteous and oh so easily offended… He’s not only entitled to his religious beliefs, but he’s also entitled to say them.

            Being loud and proud isn’t exclusive to gay people.

            • April 10th 2018 @ 9:45pm
              aussikiwi said | April 10th 2018 @ 9:45pm | ! Report

              False logic Ben. The fact that he didn’t get punished says nothing about whether he breached his contract. That is at the discretion of the employer (which no doubt has gone softly because it wants him to stay in the game).

              He’s not entitled to “say his religious beliefs” if in so doing he breaches his employment contract. Or at least he is not entitled to do so and keep his employment.

              You are right, the churches have been “loud and proud” for millenia torturing, burning dissenters at the stake, opposing the decriminalisation of homosexuality (still doing that in many parts of the world) and most recently trying to stop consenting adults from marrying each other. Oh yes, and stopping women having access to safe termination of pregnancy. And still perpetrating homophobia.

              Not too hard to see where the real threat to individual freedom comes from.

              • April 11th 2018 @ 8:22am
                Ben said | April 11th 2018 @ 8:22am | ! Report

                You absolutely don’t get it, do you? No ban, no fine, hardly any public criticism of Folau. Gosh, they commended him for standing up for what he believes in. And your still towing this line.

                The ARU preaches inclusiveness for EVERYONE. This isn’t exclusive to gays. Folau simply preached something from the bible. He not once said he hates gays.

              • April 12th 2018 @ 8:25am
                John Templeton said | April 12th 2018 @ 8:25am | ! Report

                Living in the past, with often cherry picked and questionable points to justify your argument, doesn’t diminish oppression that is obvious today.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 3:16pm
          Mango Jack said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

          Sure he can say it publicly, but that is in contravention of the contract he signed. So he has a choice; comply with his contract or negotiate a termination.

          • April 11th 2018 @ 7:16pm
            Ben said | April 11th 2018 @ 7:16pm | ! Report

            “contravention of the contract he signed”

            Mate, can you please explain why you feel he didn’t get any punishment, considering he – according to you – breached his contract?

            Do you think that the “inclusiveness” part of the ARU’s values could possibly include IF too, not just gay people?

            • Roar Rookie

              April 12th 2018 @ 11:04am
              piru said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:04am | ! Report

              So you’re claiming victory here are you Ben?

              The very fact he was called into a meeting shows he contravened his contract – if you’d bothered to read past the part you thought vindicated you you’d have seen there are no sanctions ‘as yet’.

              Given that Folau has also ‘as yet’ refused to promise not to post more nonsense, I wouldn’t be setting off the party poppers just yet.

            • April 12th 2018 @ 11:44am
              aussikiwi said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:44am | ! Report

              Easy, Ben. As discussed on Kick and Chase last night, he is being treated with kid gloves because he is off contract shortly, league clubs are sniffing around, and RA wants to keep him in rugby.

      • April 12th 2018 @ 8:22am
        John Templeton said | April 12th 2018 @ 8:22am | ! Report

        What about for vulnerable young morally conservative people who are already ostracized in many places today by their own culture? Hearing a role model shares your views can make a world of difference to them. Tolerance, if it were real, would work both ways.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 12th 2018 @ 11:05am
          piru said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:05am | ! Report

          Yeah, I imagine it can be so isolating when it seems like you’re the only one who hates certain people for no good reason.

      • April 12th 2018 @ 4:27pm
        Doc79 said | April 12th 2018 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

        Signing a contract cannot sign away one’s human right of freedom of speech or religion. If it attempted to do so it would not stand up in court.

        His post was from a private account. Castle could push but knows that RA would be in breach and would be liable to Folau.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 12th 2018 @ 4:33pm
          piru said | April 12th 2018 @ 4:33pm | ! Report

          Nor has anyone impinged on his right to free speech

          This discussion is about his right to be paid large amounts of money to play rugby.

          one more time for the hard of hearing!

    • Roar Guru

      April 10th 2018 @ 2:04pm
      Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

      I hope he also gets some media training.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 2:11pm
        Carlos the Argie said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:11pm | ! Report

        Of course. You want everyone to speak in cliches with no substance.

        • Roar Guru

          April 10th 2018 @ 2:21pm
          Ralph said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

          lol, exactly.

          I think this is where Marshall McLuhan steps in and says, “the medium IS the message”.

        • April 10th 2018 @ 3:32pm
          Torchbearer said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

          Speaking with respect and politeness is not ‘cliches’….it is better than telling a large group of people they should burn in hell for all eternity.

          And he is a member of a (racial) minority group- maybe he should think about how minorities have been categorised, abused, demeaned and persecuted in the past.

          • April 11th 2018 @ 10:36pm
            Keith of WA said | April 11th 2018 @ 10:36pm | ! Report

            and again, HE didn’t say that is what should happen…

            In your righteous indignation, you miss the FACT that he said it was GOD’S PLAN…..not his…

            • April 12th 2018 @ 11:47am
              aussikiwi said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:47am | ! Report

              Yeah but his god wouldnt condemn people to eternal damnation unjustly, right? Therefore, under Folau’s religion, the one he believes in and preaches, gays deserve to go to hell.

            • Roar Rookie

              April 12th 2018 @ 12:38pm
              Paulo said | April 12th 2018 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

              Keith, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say he can say what he wants as it’s his religious belief. Then say, it’s not his words it’s Gods so he isn’t responsible.

      • April 10th 2018 @ 6:48pm
        Leonard said | April 10th 2018 @ 6:48pm | ! Report

        Ah, “media training”! Isn’t that code for learning how to spout ‘talking points’ like ‘We have zero tolerance for [whatever]’, and ‘Our organisation takes its responsibility for [insert PC abstract noun] very seriously’.

    • April 10th 2018 @ 2:08pm
      Ben said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

      Fantastic result. If there are people out there that believe Falau shouldn’t have the same rights as them, perhaps they should grow up and ignore it. Simple.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 10th 2018 @ 2:15pm
        piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

        yes they should

        if in fact they exist

        which they don’t

      • April 10th 2018 @ 2:30pm
        RedandBlack said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

        We know – we’ve been tolerating a ferociously intolerant liberal movement for 50 years now. Hashtag thought Police.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 10th 2018 @ 2:40pm
          piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 2:40pm | ! Report

          Could replace liberal with conservative and the statement would still be true

          • April 10th 2018 @ 3:45pm
            Markus said | April 10th 2018 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

            I mean, liberal does (or at least, used to) mean centre-right/right wing pro-business conservative in literally every country in the world bar the USA.

            I guess I would be a bit confused about the meaning of words too if the most left leaning of my two major parties is at best as left wing as a Malcolm Fraser LNP, and probably closer to a Howard era LNP.

            • Roar Rookie

              April 10th 2018 @ 4:23pm
              piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

              I’m not confused about the meanings of words, but thanks Markus,

              • April 11th 2018 @ 9:37am
                Markus said | April 11th 2018 @ 9:37am | ! Report

                Wasn’t meaning you piru, just following on from RedandBlack above you who is clearly using liberal to define socialism or some other perceived anti-freedom boogie man.

            • April 10th 2018 @ 4:58pm
              RedandBlack said | April 10th 2018 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

              Check your history – the Liberal party comes from the British Whig movement – espousing the ideals of John Locke – and jolly fine ideas many of them are. I have no problems with the progress we have made but would lose the lot tomorrow rather than free speech – if we lose that liberty we lose everything. Todays left just needs to accept that you don’t get everything you want and not everyone thinks the same way you do. To see a fine man being hounded by people demanding he lose his livelihood because people who may or may not watch rugby may or may not be offended by a (solicited) statement of his beliefs is very ’30’s indeed.

              • Roar Rookie

                April 10th 2018 @ 5:09pm
                piru said | April 10th 2018 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

                I don’t think it’s a good idea to judge the left by the rabid fools hounding Folau any more than it is to judge the right by the Nazis marching through US towns

                perhaps if we ignored both extremes they’d go away

              • April 11th 2018 @ 5:52am
                RedandBlack said | April 11th 2018 @ 5:52am | ! Report

                Ah Piru – if only you were correct. Fair call.

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