Adelaide Oval “very loud” says Buckley; “How many goals that’s worth, I don’t know”

By Ben McKay, Ben McKay is a Roar Guru

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    Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley believes a first win at Adelaide Oval isn’t beyond his developing side, but is no doubt as to the scale of the task.

    The Magpies are 0-4 at the redeveloped Test cricket venue, which has hosted AFL matches since 2014.

    “We go over to their home patch and we know that that’s a pretty hard place to come away with the points,” Buckley said.

    In the five seasons since the Crows and Port Adelaide have moved in, most visitors have managed to sneak four points at least once.

    West Coast (6-1) and Sydney (4-1) actually boast better winning percentages at Adelaide Oval than the two tenant clubs.

    But so far, success has eluded Collingwood – just as it has St Kilda, Carlton, North Melbourne and the two Queensland sides.

    Buckley said it was “a very loud arena”.

    “That challenges your communication and connection on field,” he said.

    “There’s home ground advantage like when we play at home against Melbourne and then there’s real home ground advantage. Adelaide and Port Adelaide enjoy that at Adelaide Oval.

    “How many goals that’s worth I don’t know.

    “We’ve always been a club that enjoys travelling and the challenge of leaving the home state and galvanising together as a unit to go and get a job done.

    “So we’re not concerned or overawed by the challenge or previous records.

    “We intend to go across and perform. We want to win.”

    Statistical website AFL Tables lists Collingwood as having played at 29 venues through its VFL/AFL history.

    It has only failed to win at three; Adelaide Oval, the WACA – where it played four matches in the 90s – and Toorak Park, one-time home to St Kilda during World War Two.

    The Magpies will notch a 30th league venue in round 23 when they travel to play Fremantle at Optus Oval in Perth.

    © AAP 2018

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    • Roar Guru

      April 12th 2018 @ 11:37am
      Paul D said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:37am | ! Report

      ““There’s home ground advantage like when we play at home against Melbourne and then there’s real home ground advantage. Adelaide and Port Adelaide enjoy that at Adelaide Oval.”

      Hear that Collingwood fans – apparently the pie army at the MCG isn’t real home ground advantage, and you’re not noisy enough either. What a weak and spineless comment from Buckley. No wonder Pies fans loathe him.

      Buckley is all about Nathan first, club second.

      • Roar Guru

        April 12th 2018 @ 11:53am
        TomC said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:53am | ! Report

        That is an extraordinary thing for a footy coach to say, particularly the coach of Collingwood. No other team gets the support across the country that the Pies get, and here is Buckley complaining about ‘real home ground advantage’.

        There is a truly perverse victim mentality across Victorian clubs. There’s something really odious about the truly privileged whinging about the relatively insignificant problems they face.

        • Roar Guru

          April 12th 2018 @ 12:04pm
          Stirling Coates said | April 12th 2018 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

          Agreed, I would’ve thought playing at your home ground anywhere from 15-17 times a season would constitute a ‘real home ground advantage’

        • April 12th 2018 @ 4:59pm
          Smee said | April 12th 2018 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

          ‘There is a truly perverse victim mentality across Victorian clubs. There’s something really odious about the truly privileged whinging about the relatively insignificant problems they face.’

          This is a great, great statement.

          • Roar Guru

            April 12th 2018 @ 5:04pm
            Paul D said | April 12th 2018 @ 5:04pm | ! Report

            It is a great comment. Tom does come up with some absolute pearlers

      • April 12th 2018 @ 2:58pm
        Chet said | April 12th 2018 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

        Well Paul D what he’s saying is that the MCG is Melbourne’s home ground as well, so it’s pretty irrelevant whether the AFL decides to call it a home or away game for either side as the ground is common and there will accordingly be a significant number of supporters from both sides.

        But Adelaide oval, cattery, Gabba etc are distinctly different grounds where there will definitely be a majority supporting the home team.

        • Roar Guru

          April 12th 2018 @ 3:05pm
          Paul D said | April 12th 2018 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

          You mean like when those teams come to play Collingwood at the G – and there’s definitely a majority supporting the home team?

          Also, I don’t buy the argument about shared home ground – you say there’s a majority supporting the home team in Adelaide or Brisbane, tell me, how many games are played at the G regardless of whether Collingwood is home or away and they’re not in the outright majority regardless? I’d say it’d be plenty

          Also home ground advantage doesn’t mean much without talent – the last 3 years Lions have played 34 games at home and won 8.

    • April 12th 2018 @ 11:38am
      Harsh Truth Harry said | April 12th 2018 @ 11:38am | ! Report

      Poor Bucks! Too loud or is it their team is just too good Buckeroonie?

    • April 12th 2018 @ 12:34pm
      jonboy said | April 12th 2018 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

      Typical Victorian comment pathetic. I think he was born in SA though.

      • April 12th 2018 @ 6:16pm
        Pedro The Fisherman said | April 12th 2018 @ 6:16pm | ! Report

        Buckley was born in Adelaide BUT his family traveled around a lot and he spent most of his developing years in NT. He was considered to be an Allie when it came to State of Origin.

    • April 12th 2018 @ 12:45pm
      peter chrisp said | April 12th 2018 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

      Being a Pies fan i guess he’s entitled to say what he thinks & i can understand fans and non fans alike in the end big deal let’s see how we go?

    • April 12th 2018 @ 12:58pm
      Peter the Scribe said | April 12th 2018 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

      What a lot of fuss about an off the cuff comment. Who cares people? This hysteria around everything with the footy with shock journo’s and over the top comments is pretty sad. I guess it speaks of people being largely bored with their lives, jobs, who knows. Coaches are asked a myriad of questions, sometimes they answer with thought, sometimes off the cuff. The bigger question is about two more hammies done at training to Elliott and Adams. I’d be checking the ground at the Holden Centre!

      • Roar Guru

        April 12th 2018 @ 1:45pm
        Paul D said | April 12th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

        When the coach of Collingwood complains that his ‘home’ support at Melbourne isn’t good enough and not even a real home ground advantage, that for me is not off the cuff, that is a gross sense of entitlement and stupidity

        • April 12th 2018 @ 2:10pm
          Peter the Scribe said | April 12th 2018 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

          The entire press grab is on the pies website Paul. If you listen to it in entirety he is not having a crack at the Collingwood faithful in any way, he is paying homage to the Adelaide fans. The Pies do play at the G a lot but so do a number of other clubs including the Hawks, Bombers, Tigers, Demons. All he was saying is the Adelaide crowd gets on. You guys are clearly just looking for anything you can as a Bucks hate comment. Cue the Reservoir Dog next.

          • Roar Guru

            April 12th 2018 @ 2:14pm
            Paul D said | April 12th 2018 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

            Haha, like I’m going to the home of the toothless to listen to the entirety of a Nathan Buckley press conference

        • Roar Rookie

          April 13th 2018 @ 7:55am
          Bangkokpussy said | April 13th 2018 @ 7:55am | ! Report

          A bit rich from Bucks, especially with the number of home and “away” games Collingwood gets at the MCG.
          This sort of debate will go on ad infinitum until all teams have an equal number of home games and a neutral finals venue, be they Victorian or interstate clubs.

      • Roar Guru

        April 12th 2018 @ 2:09pm
        TomC said | April 12th 2018 @ 2:09pm | ! Report

        The problem isn’t so much that he’s dumb enough to say it. The problem is that he’s self-indulgent and blinkered enough to believe it.

        But while we’re on the subject of hysterical responses and over the top comments, concluding that certain people are bored with their lives and jobs is on another plane altogether.

        • April 12th 2018 @ 2:15pm
          Peter the Scribe said | April 12th 2018 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

          Tom, I’m talking how the OTT brigade have already kicked in three rounds in.

          If you listen to the OTT clowns, Bevo can’t coach, Bucks and Worsfold should be both sacked and paid out three games into 2 year deals, Clarkson is some kind of mythical genius light years ahead of any other coach in the history of the game, Port have a massive culture problem and so on and so on. This is an example of it. Buckley commented on the parochial Adelaide crowd as possibly being worth a couple of goals. Big deal. If any other coach said the same thing you guys wouldn’t have bothered with your comments above.

          • Roar Guru

            April 12th 2018 @ 2:32pm
            Paul D said | April 12th 2018 @ 2:32pm | ! Report

            Because no other coach enjoys the home ground or advantage or support Collingwood does

            • April 12th 2018 @ 3:36pm
              Peter the Scribe said | April 12th 2018 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

              If this was Lord D commenting, I would protest “Argumentative my Lord!”

      • April 12th 2018 @ 3:57pm
        peter chrisp said | April 12th 2018 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

        Peter TS could not agree Moore who cares it’s a crack up to be honest he speaks his mind & at times a number of fans and non fans carry on & the Def Leppard Hysteria is so funny, do i lose any sleep over it uh not, all in all let’s see how The Pies perform Friday night & that’s all that matters

    • Roar Pro

      April 12th 2018 @ 6:59pm
      anon said | April 12th 2018 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

      Don’t Collingwood enjoy the same advantage when Adelaide play in Melbourne?

      Just more excuse making from Buckley, giving himself an alibi for when they inevitably get spanked tomorrow night.

      • April 13th 2018 @ 8:33am
        truetigerfan said | April 13th 2018 @ 8:33am | ! Report

        Awesome comment, anon! Hey, by the way, isn’t it great that the GF is to be held at the G until 2057, at least, now?

        • Roar Pro

          April 13th 2018 @ 12:20pm
          anon said | April 13th 2018 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

          I think it’s a disgraceful decision. All for a measly $250 million the AFL have sold out the interstate teams — especially financial powerhouses like West Coast, Adelaide, Sydney who have given so much to football in Victoria for no real return.

          The WA government just spent $1.8 billion on a stadium for the AFL. What a mistake that was. Should have made the AFL beg for it like the Victoria government does.

          Something has to change. Best of 3 Grand Final or interstate teams get to ‘bank’ home prelims if they are forced to be the away team on Grand Final despite being seeded higher.

          • Roar Guru

            April 13th 2018 @ 12:43pm
            AdelaideDocker said | April 13th 2018 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

            Of course you believe it’s a disgraceful decision. You’re conveniently forgetting that the AFL is also providing charter flights to interstate grand finalists and extended training sessions to any MCG-seeded teams.

            A best of three grand final? No. No. Never. Please. That was be dreadful – good for ratings and publicity, sure, but a poor decision in most other respects.

            Also, it shouldn’t come as an outrage or a surprise for interstate teams to be playing at the ‘G on the final day of the year. It’s been that way for decades – a century? It’s what’s happened for a while, and what will continue happening for a while.

            • Roar Pro

              April 13th 2018 @ 1:04pm
              anon said | April 13th 2018 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

              The AFL has a deal with Virgin. Charter flights with Virgin are not a big deal.

              Playing the Grand Final at the MCG is what happened for decades in the VFL because of capacity and accessibility. Made sense to have the Grand Final in Melbourne when 11 of 12 teams were in inner-suburban or suburban Melbourne.

              It’s been the AFL since 1990. They introduced interstate finals in 1991 in acknowledgement of the enormous travel burden interstate teams face.

              The next step are Grand Finals being awarded to the highest ranking Grand Finalist.

              If we can’t have that, then best of 3 will be an acceptable compromise for now and step forward.

              Can’t have that, then I propose that interstate teams ‘bank’ finals.

              For instance, because Adelaide was forced to play the Grand Final at the MCG last year despite being the higher seeded team, then I propose that they are ‘owed’ a home final.

              For instance, if they have to play an away preliminary final against a Victorian team, then they have the right to use one of their home finals they have ‘banked’.

              The preliminary final would be moved to Adelaide Oval despite Adelaide being the lower seeded team.

              No less arbitrary than playing the Grand Final at the MCG no matter what.

              • Roar Guru

                April 13th 2018 @ 1:26pm
                Paul D said | April 13th 2018 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

                Regarding your point about the Optus Stadium, such as it is, I can’t see how you can claim the stadium was a total waste simply because they miss out on one game in however many years a WA team makes the Grand Final and is seeded highest. Still get 22 games a year between Eagles & Dockers with vastly improved crowds, AFLW, cricket crowds – plus whatever concerts or other events they want to host at the stadium

                Since 1990 when it became the AFL a WA side has made the grand final times I believe – that’s an average of 1 appearance every 4-5 years. In that time anywhere between 88-110 games of AFL would be played. Do you see why it’s hard to take such hyperbole as “total waste” seriously, on the strength of that evidence?

                If we had to do anything to even things up, I do like the idea of ‘banked’ home finals next time they play a Victorian team in a prelim – much moreso than shifting it or best of 3, which I think is just dreadful

              • Roar Pro

                April 13th 2018 @ 1:53pm
                anon said | April 13th 2018 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                If you’re spending $1.8 billion on a stadium where the AFL is the primary beneficiary, you have to be a little smarter than extracting NOTHING from the AFL.

                How dumb can you be.

                Should have put the AFL to the sword and made them give a few things up.

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