Well, that was depressing! Take homes from the Reds’ loss to the Waratahs

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    Queensland rugby fans will undoubtedly have woken up on Sunday morning to the same state of irritation that I did, at our team being flogged 37-16 by the old enemy from NSW.

    The Tahs were the better team on the night. In a game that was fairly reffed by Angus Gardner, Daryl Gibson opted for speed over power in his forward pack and it paid off, with NSW’s classy backline ultimately putting the sword to the Reds.

    For Queensland, being nine weeks into the season with three wins and four losses, it is time for a bit of reflection.

    Brad Thorn has done a lot to build culture around commitment, especially in defence, but there are other key elements to the way the team is operating which have not yet clicked.

    If they keep racking up the big losses, disillusionment may set in and the good work will suffer. We saw a bit of that with a 72 per cent tackle success ratio on Saturday – poor when we consider the emphasis on defence.

    Here are some suggestions about how they might get back on track.

    The tight five are functioning and the scrum is doing well, however the backrow underperformed at the breakdown on Saturday and the entire pack muffed four own lineouts, which is unacceptable.

    The combination of Lukhan Tui at six and Caleb Timu at eight didn’t work. The six needs to revert to a lighter player who would be quicker to the breakdown and better in the lineout – probably Adam Korczyk.

    The halves didn’t play well, with service from James Tuttle ponderous. The failure of the forwards in getting quick ball has to be part of the reason, but it isn’t an excuse, with some poor decisions by Tuttle. The meaningless box kick which initiated the sequence leading the first Tahs try is the prime example.

    Slow service undermined Jono Lance’s running, which usually results in a couple of line breaks a game, but he did some silly things too. The worst of it was taking a clean ball from an attacking lineout and kicking it straight to Kurtley Beale. Both of the halves can do a lot better and should be given the opportunity to redeem themselves with a decent performance against the Chiefs next week, but they should also be feeling selection pressure.

    Samu Kerevi is becoming a liability, even when he plays at 12, where he can defend better. He missed a critical covering tackle on Michael Wells when he had the pace and time to get around what was a pretty puny fend. Moreover, he missed three from four tackles.

    In attack, Kerevi is running the ball too much – 14 times while passing only seven – resulting in his outside backs not getting enough ball in space.

    Thorn might need to consider that while he dropped Quade Cooper to avoid the backline being run around one player, he has inadvertently allowed exactly that to happen with Kerevi.

    The Reds need a second playmaker at 12 and Duncan Paia’aua, who did an excellent job last year and in the NRC, should replace Kerevi. Kerevi can’t be shifted to 13 either until his defence improves, so he might take a bench spot for now. It would be tough love for such a promising young player, but tough love is what Thorn is all about, isn’t it?

    My final thought as I watched the Reds uncharacteristically wilt in the last ten minutes, was that these players might be overtrained in fitness at the expense of skills and tactics.

    The words of Jake the Muss in Once Were Warriors comes to mind: “Too many weights, not enough speed work…”

    Perhaps a recalibration of the training regime is in order?

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    • April 15th 2018 @ 11:57am
      rugger said | April 15th 2018 @ 11:57am | ! Report

      Thorn will borne the crap out of Reds fans.

      Is that what QRU wants?

      And he appears stubborn in not wanting Quade.

      Attack is ordinary to say the least….not deception, not variation and very narrow.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 15th 2018 @ 12:07pm
        Paul D said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:07pm | ! Report

        Attack is ordinary to say the least

        The only playmaker in the backline is Lance. So that is to be expected. Having said that though, the reds pack failed to stand up last night.

        The baby Tahs pack continues to surprise.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 12:30pm
          Fionn said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

          Toua is ordinarily a bit of a playmaker too, Paul. It just looks like he isn’t coming in as second receiver often enough.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 12:54pm
          jameswm said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

          Kerevi creates too. That makes him a playmaker. He has a very good offload and a decent medium to long pass.

          He just needs to tackle better…

          • April 15th 2018 @ 1:05pm
            Fionn said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

            Thorn needs to have Timu, Tupou and Tui take turns running at him every training session until Kerevi gets them virtually every time 🙂

            • April 15th 2018 @ 3:23pm
              jameswm said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

              And some quicker guys too.

      • April 15th 2018 @ 12:19pm
        Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

        Cooper has the same problem as Kerevi, can’t reliably tackle, but he has had far longer to learn. We can’t keep carrying players like that, it just results in losing in a different manner. Defence is a learnable skill so I say the players can pull their fingers out and learn it, or not play. Whoever they are.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 1:31pm
          Dean said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

          Refreshing honesty! I totally agree that Duncan P is the best longer term solution for Qld. But I think Thorn wants to get the simple things working really well before adding an extra degree of complexity. Juggle three tennis balls for an hour without dropping one before picking up the flaming chainsaws.

        • April 16th 2018 @ 11:55am
          Tuc Du Nard said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:55am | ! Report

          Plus 1

        • April 16th 2018 @ 1:06pm
          soapit said | April 16th 2018 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

          on the other hand questionable defence is easier to cope with from a 10 than a 12

      • April 15th 2018 @ 12:33pm
        Highlander said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

        Quade Cooper will be playing in green next year – discuss

        • April 15th 2018 @ 12:48pm
          Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

          What, is he being busted down from Souths to the Ipswich Rangers?

          • April 15th 2018 @ 12:51pm
            Highlander said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

            Cmon Rhys, broader speculation required before I pass on the very long bow drawn to me recently on this. 🙂

            • April 15th 2018 @ 1:02pm
              Tommo said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

              Green as in which team? Spit it out.

              • Roar Guru

                April 15th 2018 @ 1:15pm
                Cadfael said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                Not Randwick!

        • Roar Guru

          April 15th 2018 @ 2:24pm
          The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          The Kangaroos? 😉

          • April 15th 2018 @ 2:49pm
            Highlander said | April 15th 2018 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

            Did like the kangaroos and Randwick responses.

            So, .Marty Banks has left Benetton Treviso after only one of his contract to join a Japanese club.

            Rumour is he has already been replaced for next year by a SH 10.

            Pure specululation gets you to QC.

            • Roar Guru

              April 15th 2018 @ 3:33pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

              That is not a bad call at all Highlander.

              Treviso beat Leinster away yesterday and that deserves some props.

            • April 15th 2018 @ 3:33pm
              Adsa said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

              That speculator works for me Highlander, somehow the thought of QC playing top level rugby in Italy seems to fit snugly.

              • April 15th 2018 @ 4:23pm
                Malo said | April 15th 2018 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

                You don’t have to tackle in italy

            • April 15th 2018 @ 7:44pm
              rebel said | April 15th 2018 @ 7:44pm | ! Report

              You sure it’s not hideous flouro green as Sopoaga’s replacement?

              • Roar Guru

                April 15th 2018 @ 8:14pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 8:14pm | ! Report

                LOL!

                Well played rebel

              • April 16th 2018 @ 12:00pm
                Tuc Du Nard said | April 16th 2018 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

                We had the Hivizlanders last week and the usual weird orange fluro from the Jags. What next? How can we create even worse jerseys to watch that perhaps go viral.
                We can do better. I mean worse!

              • April 16th 2018 @ 2:23pm
                Canetragic said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:23pm | ! Report

                The natty pink number the Bulls wear occasionally?

              • April 16th 2018 @ 8:36pm
                rebel said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

                Stade Francais used to have some rippers.
                I prefer slimming black myself.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 4:10pm
          Tom said | April 15th 2018 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

          Canberra Raiders?

      • April 16th 2018 @ 6:36am
        uglykiwi said | April 16th 2018 @ 6:36am | ! Report

        Its Obvious………… They need Todd Carney!!!

    • April 15th 2018 @ 11:59am
      Frisky said | April 15th 2018 @ 11:59am | ! Report

      Your advice to drop Kerevi will result in a lot of cries of indignation. Should be very amusing.
      He is being touted as Australia’s saviour, so your comment is “brave” in the “Yes Minister” sense.

      • April 15th 2018 @ 12:15pm
        Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

        I believe the term is “courageous” 😉

        • April 15th 2018 @ 12:55pm
          jameswm said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

          No pretty sure it was brace. That would be a very brave decision Minister. “Brave? I don’t want to be brave” he replied, or something similar.

        • Roar Guru

          April 15th 2018 @ 1:07pm
          Mark Richmond said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

          Yes it was courageous…..https://youtu.be/ik8JT2S-kBE

    • Roar Rookie

      April 15th 2018 @ 12:03pm
      Paul D said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

      ” wilt in the last ten minutes, was that these players might be overtrained in fitness “

      Generally when the skills and decision making fall off at the end it’s due to a lack in fitness.

      • April 15th 2018 @ 12:22pm
        Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

        Yeah I know, but that doesn’t stack up with what Thorn has been doing with them, which is heavily focussed on fitness. I’m not an exercise physiologist, but I do know that if I exercise too hard with insufficient recovery time, my performance will suffer at the next session. Combine that with not spending quite enough time on skills and I can see how they would combine for the result we saw. Just a theory though.

        • Roar Guru

          April 17th 2018 @ 10:15am
          Train Without A Station said | April 17th 2018 @ 10:15am | ! Report

          So what. Brad may be focused but lacks any expertise.

          For all we know the players are running around doing lots of what but not what yields actual benefit.

          Which is exactly what he had them doing in 2017.

          • April 19th 2018 @ 9:25am
            Jacko said | April 19th 2018 @ 9:25am | ! Report

            Twas do you believe Brad Thorn sorts all that stuff out himself or do you think the Reds have people doing the expertise bit?

            So in 2017 he ran them arouind as an assistant coach but in 2018 he runs them around as the head coach….All anti Thorn eh?

    • April 15th 2018 @ 12:09pm
      Fin said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

      Disillusionment. This will become a problem. This young Reds side is pretty much doing what has been asked of them. They are working hard and defending well and at 13-9 or 23-16 the game was there if they were good enough.

      I am a fan of Thorns appointment and his desire to rebuild from scratch- the Reds needed it. But for me it’s time the reward his players and give them something to fight back with. He needs to bring Quade back, play him off the bench and put him in a role similar to that Beale plays for the Tahs. Give them a chance of actually winning not just losing admirably.

      • April 15th 2018 @ 12:50pm
        Reverse Wheel said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

        I don’t agree about cooper. The reds need a proper rebuild and that takes time, the quick fix of a cooper will derail that. And let’s be honest, they’ve been just as bad if not worse with cooper over recent years anyway.

        Give Thorne this year to establish the basics. Let him fill some gaps in the offseason. Then see if the reds can start to challenge next year. Accept that they’ll be mid table this year at best.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 1:53pm
          Ruckin Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

          Hey Reverse Wheel,

          The corresponding game last year had about 3 points in it. It was as close as they come and I left the ground thinking that the Reds were robbed by the ref.

          Last night was a thrashing.

          If this is a rebuild it looks like they are still excavating to find a foundation.

          • Roar Guru

            April 15th 2018 @ 2:00pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

            Have you entertained the thought that the Tahs actually have improved since last season?

            • April 15th 2018 @ 3:35pm
              Rucki Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

              Much like the Rebels then………..

          • April 15th 2018 @ 4:03pm
            ThugbyFab said | April 15th 2018 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

            The Tahs were hopeless last year, a dispirited aimless mob of sheep. Even Los Jaguares and Force belted them out of this galaxy.

            This year’s Tahs are a complete different story. Coach Gibson got rid of the coaching staff leftovers from Chieka’s days and brought in new talent and that has worked a treat.

          • April 15th 2018 @ 4:12pm
            Tom said | April 15th 2018 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

            It was 23-16 with 10 to go and anyone’s game…

            • April 15th 2018 @ 5:04pm
              Reverse Wheel said | April 15th 2018 @ 5:04pm | ! Report

              Sometimes you have to tear down before you can build up. If you ditch every guy who wants to change things because he doesn’t get immediate results then you’ll end up with every coach doing the same thing and you’ll end up with the same disappointment.

              The jury is still out on Gibson but most of us Tahs fans wanted to turf him after two poor years. Now it’s starting to look like what he really needed was a bit of time to get his guys and style in place. Sure the tahs do still look fragile and it all may yet fall apart, but what we’ve seen so far is a big step up and it’s not unrealistic to think they could be challengers in a year or two if they keep progressing.

              • April 15th 2018 @ 9:42pm
                OZ Rugby Fan said | April 15th 2018 @ 9:42pm | ! Report

                Agree that its way too early to call anything about the Tahs until they take on the might of the NZ teams but they have certainly already done much better this year than the last.

      • Roar Guru

        April 15th 2018 @ 1:40pm
        The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

        It is not fair at all to ignore that the Reds are rebuilding after several years of pretty poor performances. Fans have to ask themselves if they want more of the same that has been served post-2011, or if they are prepared to take a step back in order to take a couple of steps forward the next couple of seasons.
        And so far they have not done too badly this season either if we compare to last season. If the Reds record more points this season than last while rebuilding. I certainly think this season should be considered as a good one.

        I don’t think Quade Cooper would improve this team, and even if I thought he would, I would still give Brad Thorn a year at least to prove his point.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 1:57pm
          Ruckin Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

          Why should Thorn get the year that Stiles didn’t ??

          Last year the Reds were able to beat the Sharks and give the Crusaders an almighty scare.

          Can’t see that happening this year.

          • Roar Guru

            April 15th 2018 @ 2:04pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

            I don’t think you will get a fair comparison if you cherry-pick results from last season. Total wins and points are the currency that counts, so let us see where the Reds and Big Bad Brad stands at the end of the season.

            • April 15th 2018 @ 4:23pm
              Ruckin Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

              “Total wins and points are the currency that counts…………”

              Oh yeah it’s much much more harder to get a win against the Bulls at Suncorop rather than against the Crusaders.

              • Roar Guru

                April 15th 2018 @ 5:25pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

                Sorry for stating the obvious mate, but the Reds did not beat the Crusaders last year.

              • April 15th 2018 @ 5:31pm
                Fionn said | April 15th 2018 @ 5:31pm | ! Report

                They lost in the 80th to a last minute penalty, and very nearly beat the Blues in Apia also.

              • April 15th 2018 @ 5:43pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

                ‘ the Reds did not beat the Crusaders last year.”

                Geez no kidding – but they did beat the Bulls this year.

                So which do you reckon is the more difficult task – to beat the Crusaders at Suncorp stadium or to beat the Bulls ?

              • Roar Guru

                April 15th 2018 @ 6:22pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

                I think you are seriously missing the point here, but please go ahead try to prove whatever it is you are trying to say to make you feel good.

                How many points did the Reds get last year? How many wins last year?

              • April 15th 2018 @ 6:43pm
                Rucki Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 6:43pm | ! Report

                Often when considering the strength of a sporting victory the quality of the opposition is also a factor

              • April 15th 2018 @ 8:19pm
                Reverse Wheel said | April 15th 2018 @ 8:19pm | ! Report

                So your definition of a successful season for the reds is one where they lose valiantly?

              • April 16th 2018 @ 12:06pm
                Rucki Oaf said | April 16th 2018 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                Nah it’s obviously one where they grind out dour wins in the easier games, then get thrashed by the better teams.

                That’s a great season that is

              • April 19th 2018 @ 9:28am
                Jacko said | April 19th 2018 @ 9:28am | ! Report

                They havnt played at home for 6 weeks…I wonder if that could affect a young team….Or an old experienced team for that matter

            • Roar Guru

              April 17th 2018 @ 10:19am
              Train Without A Station said | April 17th 2018 @ 10:19am | ! Report

              That’s not any real analysis.

              The Reds also lost 4 games by less than 7 points to be competitive for at least half of the season.

              Without playing an NZ team yet the Reds have a PD one third of the way to their 2017 total anyway, and with all of their toughest games to come.

              • April 19th 2018 @ 9:30am
                Jacko said | April 19th 2018 @ 9:30am | ! Report

                And a win record of 3/4 of the whole of last year

          • April 15th 2018 @ 2:53pm
            Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

            I suspect Stiles lost the changing room and his job by publicly admonishing his players after losses, which Thorn hasn’t done.

            • April 15th 2018 @ 4:22pm
              Ruckin Oaf said | April 15th 2018 @ 4:22pm | ! Report

              Well apart from calling them immature and not up to his standard as per last week.

              • April 15th 2018 @ 8:20pm
                Reverse Wheel said | April 15th 2018 @ 8:20pm | ! Report

                Inexperienced

              • April 16th 2018 @ 7:38pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | April 16th 2018 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

                Immature

        • Roar Guru

          April 15th 2018 @ 1:59pm
          jeznez said | April 15th 2018 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

          I think there is a bit to that Neut.

          The Reds surprised with their early performances and some fans re-calibrated expectations. I think Thorn and the team need to show some progress though. That doesn’t mean winning but certainly getting the defence sorted again will be key.

          • Roar Guru

            April 15th 2018 @ 2:13pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

            I think they have shown progress already. What is lacking is consistency, but that was always expected with so many new faces both on and off the field combined with emphasis to build a new culture.
            I say the Rebels are in the same boat (but with more depth and quality on their roster), they will struggle to perform at a consistently high level this year also (they already do).
            Brumbies and Sunwolves are “new projects” also. Tahs is the only team in the Aussie conference that had “something” to build on from last season. Admittedly not much, but more than anyone else in the Aussie conference.

            • Roar Guru

              April 15th 2018 @ 3:32pm
              jeznez said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

              They showed progress but their run including and post their SA/Argentina trip has been a regression.

              They’ll need to show themselves on the upward swing again. The defence is a case in point, it has been talked up as a cornerstone of the team but they have let in 45 and 37 points in the last two weeks.

              They need to tighten that up again – which will be hard given the tougher part of the season is coming.

              • Roar Guru

                April 15th 2018 @ 3:44pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:44pm | ! Report

                The blowout against the Brumbies was a disappointment and pretty unexpected, but that an in-form Tahs would get the better of them was – at least to me – no surprise at all.

                If all other Aussie teams get blown off the park by the Kiwis, why expect anything different from the Reds? A respectable score against the Chiefs is the pass mark for the coming week. A win would be a massive achievement in my book.

                And they have yet to play a doubleheader against the Sunwolves, so there are more easy points on offer this season (unless the Sunwolves improves a lot).

              • Roar Guru

                April 15th 2018 @ 3:53pm
                jeznez said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

                Thorn has said that defence is going to be one of the defining characteristics of the team, so they will be judged more harshly in that space than other squads.

                They could be forgiven for having the worst Points For of 131 in the entire competition if their defence was delivering even more miserly results for their opponents.

                They rank equal 6th with the Brumbies on 181 Points Against.

                Since the coach called out defence along with hard work and team culture as the key identity of the team – they probably need to be doing a bit better in that space.

              • April 16th 2018 @ 11:58am
                Fionn said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:58am | ! Report

                Slipper drawing even with Kepu in the scrum is pretty impressive actually. I suspect the amount of weight Slipper has added must make it much more difficult to maintain his regular work-rate?

    • April 15th 2018 @ 12:29pm
      Rugby Tragic Too said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

      surely you’d all be used to it by now..

      Thats 8 in a row after all

      • April 15th 2018 @ 12:32pm
        Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

        Mate, being a Queenslander mean’s you always think you can beat NSW …. but we sometimes get our codes confused.

        • April 15th 2018 @ 3:07pm
          Rugby Tragic Too said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

          it also means you always cry foul when ever a wallaby side is selected and act dazed and confused that it isn’t all reds players or that the coach dares to select anyone that happens to play for the tahs.

          • April 15th 2018 @ 3:10pm
            Rhys Bosley said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

            Sounds like you are looking for a p1ssing contest Mate. Find another toilet.

            • April 15th 2018 @ 3:19pm
              Rugby Tragic Too said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

              truth hurts

            • April 15th 2018 @ 3:49pm
              Malo said | April 15th 2018 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

              It’s true though.

              • April 15th 2018 @ 6:31pm
                Red Block said | April 15th 2018 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

                Of course its true, players like Hanigan, Tiny Tom Robertson and Phipps should all be in the starting team because they are the best players in their positions.
                Not!

              • April 15th 2018 @ 6:41pm
                Rugby Tragic Too said | April 15th 2018 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

                Jeznez see red blocks comments here.

                these are the comments that are affecting your judgement. There is no value in them. they are purely from a sad parochial source and so you should give them zero credit.

                But you have read so many similar comments that they have started to take an effect on you without realising it, you are now confused as to how to make heads or tails of why the waratahs are the best domestic side in australia, yet cop all this criticism.

                How can they all be below average players yet selected for wallaby honours?

                How can ‘tiny’ Robertsen hold up a scrum when he’s actually no bigger than a hobbit? etc etc

                How can Hanigan be selected when he cries every time one of his eye lashes break.

                Phipps once did a pass and it didn’t get caught by the no 10. So he should never play rugby a gain.

                The fact is Robertsen is 110kg, hardly tiny, Phipps’ service and ability to get to the next breakdown is better than anyones, and Hanigan is as tough as they come.

                There is a reason why the Waratahs have beaten every other australian side this year afterall.

              • Roar Guru

                April 16th 2018 @ 9:49am
                jeznez said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:49am | ! Report

                RTT – it’s these comments is it, well the eloquence of his statement and the evidence he’s put forward to state his case is so compelling. How could I not be convinced – I have a feeble mind and am so easily swayed.

                The fact is you admitted below that you didn’t notice all the ruck turn over ball in the earlier season matches, I actually did see the ruck turnovers.

                You have also said below you cannot tell if a prop is at fault or if it is his lock etc. I watch the scrums closely enough that I reckon I’ve got a pretty good idea where the issues are.

                I’ll keep believing I’ve formed my own opinions.

              • April 16th 2018 @ 11:16am
                Fionn said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                Jez, do you think that Sio at LHP and Kepu at THP are our two best scrummaging options, with Slipper and Tupou as backups to be the best scrummaging backups?

              • Roar Guru

                April 16th 2018 @ 11:28am
                PeterK said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:28am | ! Report

                jeznez –

                I will add to Fionn’s question.

                I think Alaalatoa performed better at LHP than Sio does but would need time to adjust.

                Tupou has really improved his scrumaging and has great impact in general play.

                I think considering everything

                starting props
                LHP Alaalatoa and THP Kepu
                Bench Sio and Tupou.

              • Roar Guru

                April 16th 2018 @ 11:54am
                jeznez said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:54am | ! Report

                I haven’t seen Tupou apart from round one when the Reds pack was depowered due to cards and in the clips that NB shared on his article the other week. On that evidence though he looks like he should have at minimum the bench TH position nailed down.

                I similarly haven’t caught many Brumbies games but I think there is risk in asking AA to just switch back across without any time in the jumper.

                Slipper had a quiet game based on his historic standards around number of tackles etc.

                At scrum time he and Kepu fought a draw on their side of the scrum with one notable exception when Slipper got the Tahs pack wheeling.

                Sio, Slipper and AA all have cases to make. AA’s issue is that assuming Kepu and Tupou are fit he is effectively competing for a position he isn’t playing.

                Those are the five I rate and hope to see in the squad come the internationals. (Assuming Slipper gets his work rate up towards where it has historically been).

    • April 15th 2018 @ 12:33pm
      freddieeffer said | April 15th 2018 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

      This current Reds backline lacks creativity or surprise; they are more or less one-dimensional and appear very predictable to me.

      There’s got to be some form of compromise somewhere on the Quade issue at the Reds, because these are exactly the skills that Quade can bring to their below-par game being currently played.

      I can’t see the Reds winning many (any?) games outside of the Oz conference without much more creativity and surprise as these will lead to scoring more tries than at their current rate.

      Looking at the Reds performance last night, the above critique of the backs is spot-on. I know Quade has got his entrenched critics, but at his worst, he’s got more to offer than what’s being served up right now. At least have him on the bench?

      Jono Lance is a steady enough 10, but he his limitations too.

      It is blatantly obvious this Reds side needs some flair as well as mixing it up, and Quade is the only one who adds value that is not on the paddock.

      • April 15th 2018 @ 8:30pm
        bigbaz said | April 15th 2018 @ 8:30pm | ! Report

        Good sensible post

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