Let’s celebrate the A-League for what it is, instead of complaining about what it isn’t

Mike Tuckerman Columnist

By Mike Tuckerman, Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert


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    There were 24 goals scored in an astonishing final A-League round – and we’d have missed seeing most of them if all games kicked off simultaneously.

    How good will the finals be? It’s worth asking after a weekend of high drama that saw Brisbane snatch the last top six spot in the unlikeliest of circumstances.

    When Adam Taggart gave Glory an early lead with a predatory lob, it looked like it was going to be another long night for the Roar.

    But substitute Henrique vindicated coach John Aloisi’s decision to re-sign him with two superb goals, before Jamie Young took centre stage.

    Young is one of the A-League’s most interesting characters, but he was having one of his semi-regular shockers even before he gave away an inexplicable penalty for pushing Andy Keogh at a corner.

    It looked like it would cost Aloisi’s team their season, only for the Roar’s cult hero to parry Diego Castro’s subsequent spot-kick in an enthralling 3-2 win.

    And the weekend became a tale of two penalties when Oriol Riera’s miss in Western Sydney’s demoralising 3-2 loss to Adelaide United on Sunday ended up costing the Wanderers dearly.

    He wasn’t helped by Keanu Baccus, who looked at first glance to have been harshly sent off following intervention from the VAR.

    But a second angle showed what we originally missed – Baccus kicked Johan Absalonsen, with the Dane eventually going off injured – and Wanderers fans wondering where it all went wrong need look no further than that mindless dismissal.

    Where to now for Josep Gombau? The Wanderers were unbeaten under interim coach Hayden Foxe, however the Spaniard rarely convinced after taking over from Foxe early in the campaign.

    Do the Wanderers stick or twist now that they’ve missed the finals? Gombau may feel he deserves the chance to perform a major overhaul of his squad, but it remains to be seen whether Western Sydney gives him one.

    The same could be said for Perth Glory. Kenny Lowe might be the most likeable coach in the A-League, but it hasn’t always helped him get the best out of his maddeningly inconsistent side.

    And the Glory’s inability to transform themselves into a Western Australian juggernaut warrants further scrutiny.

    Just as Perth’s season was coming to a shuddering halt, Crystal Palace were kicking off against their bitter rivals Brighton and Hove Albion in front of an absolutely rocking Selhurst Park.

    Palace’s ramshackle, Archibald Leitch-designed stadium is perhaps the most idiosyncratic in the English Premier League, and in its current guise it holds just under 26,000 fans.

    So it’s similar to nib Stadium. And Palace’s rivalry with Albion – borne of several controversial past meetings – is akin to the rivalry between Glory and the Roar.

    What, then, is the difference between the two fixtures? Maybe the fact that fans in South London chose to turn up at Selhurst Park and watch in person, at the same time many fans in Perth flicked on their television to watch the same game, rather than head out to the venue?

    Diego Castro

    And until a few more football fans start caring about the A-League, we can look forward to the metrics looking as bad next season as they did this one.

    Which is why the decision not to play all five Round 27 fixtures at the same time makes sense.

    If you were Fox Sports and you’d recently shelled out $346 million to show the A-League for six seasons, why would you want to dilute your broadcast metrics by showing five of those games at the same time in one of the season’s key rounds?

    You’re not adding new fans – you’re simply forcing existing ones to miss four games Fox Sports have already paid to broadcast.

    It’s a bit like fans who continue to complain about the finals.

    What they do overseas is irrelevant – simply because this is Australia, and we already have our own unique football culture.

    So maybe it’s time to celebrate the A-League for what it is, instead of endlessly worrying about everything it isn’t.

    Mike Tuckerman
    Mike Tuckerman

    Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he settled in Brisbane, and has been a leading Roar football columnist since December 2008.

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    • Roar Rookie

      April 16th 2018 @ 7:32am
      Waz said | April 16th 2018 @ 7:32am | ! Report

      Mike, I think you missed the obvious with Jamie Young: with the 4 first choice CBs all out injured Roar lined up against Castro, Taggart and Keogh with a makeshift Pepper and first timer O’Toole. It’s reasonable to assume Aloisi thought Glory would target the pairing and Young was given instructions to “sweep” aggressively behind the two kids, something he’s never done before this season but did it on several occasions Saturday night.

      The mistake was one of communication, between Young and his make-shift buddy neither knew what the other one was likely to do.

      The penalty, I can’t believe you haven’t called that for what it is – Keogh dived plane and simple. If we’re paying pushing and shoving in the penalty area like that we will never see another completed corner again. It’s an inexcusable penalty award highlighting the incompetence of refereeing under Ben Wilson this season.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 8:03am
        chris said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:03am | ! Report

        Waz good points about the centre back pairing. Anyone that knows football would appreciate that those 2 positions are the most critical for team stability. Hats off to Roar for overcoming this and making it to the finals.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 16th 2018 @ 8:20am
          Waz said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:20am | ! Report

          Yeah, apart from the obvious drama I would have said the success of that combination was the main talking point from the game.

          With first choice Avraam and DeVere, both former internationals, out and North/Bowles both out who would have thought Perth’s attack could be stifled by two makeshift CBs with Pepper (normally a Midfielder) and O’Toole (LB) both putting in outstanding shifts.

          Young’s “blunder” is most likely a consequence of over coaching with the Aloisi’s probably expecting wave of attacks coming at them hence Young’s first rate impression of a bull in a china shop.

          Mind you, the fact the Rookie CBs weren’t exposed had a lot to do with excellent wing back performances from Franjic and Hingert and a superb shift from Mckay.

          • Columnist

            April 16th 2018 @ 12:04pm
            Mike Tuckerman said | April 16th 2018 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

            I don’t think Roar fans will have too many qualm’s with Young’s display. He’s saved far more goals than he’s contributed to this season anyway.

            If we want to talk about centre backs, how about Josep Gombau leaving Michael Thwaite on the bench and playing Jack Clisby in the middle of the back four yesterday? I reckon that contributed to Brisbane Roar reaching the finals as much as anything.

            • Roar Rookie

              April 16th 2018 @ 2:13pm
              Waz said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

              Agree, Gombau has made some strange selections this season (not least in the derby) and if he does get fired there’s a certain element that’s self inflicted. Thwaite should have started imo.

              • April 16th 2018 @ 2:33pm
                Buddy said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

                I believe Gombau is obsessed with pace and ignores a lot of other important qualities. Last week against a fairly ponderous Brisbane side the Baccus boys played high energy and did a lot of running which allowed the more creative Cejudo and Carasco to probe and find Riera and Ikonomedis. He then tried it again against a totally different type of team and it relly came unstuck. I reckon that’s why Clisby stayed in central defence and not the returning Thwaite. I think my thoughts on the derby selections are well recorded here and true feelings on the subject wouldn’t make it past the most liberal of censors.
                I cannot see what JG is bringing to the club? He has no stage presence, no rapport with fans, simply wants to change things around to become JGFC. I was rather hoping that his future might depend on yesterday’s result but I fear he may be more safely ensconced, at least for another year.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 9:36am
        Lionheart said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:36am | ! Report

        Thanks Waz, clarifies it for me. I recall a similar goal scored against Jamie by Sydney FC when Jamie first came to Roar a few years ago, and he said then that he didn’t have to sweep in England.
        For me though, part of the formula is also Aloisi’s confidence (or lack of) in young players. We’ve been seriously depleted by injuries in defence all season, yet you say O’Toole’s a first timer. That says a lot, why wasn’t he given game time, even a few minutes a game a few times, to build up our squad. Where are the other youngsters? I notice a number of Aloisi’s young discards becoming solid starters at other clubs.

    • April 16th 2018 @ 8:02am
      Buddy said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:02am | ! Report

      Keogh’s had a very average season and the manner in which he won the penalty was pretty average too. I fully support the notion that referees should award free kicks for pushing, shirt holding and the time honoured practice of two arms around the waist by defenders as they attempt to show their love and how tightly they can mark an opponent. Truth is it happens week in and week out right in front of referees and they ignore it, yet all of a sudden we had an incident worthy of a penalty.
      As for comparing rivalry between Perth and Brisbane to that of Palace and Brighton – well there is a large gap in terms of understanding the history and local geography if that was meant to be a serious analogy.
      In the meantime yes we focus on what we have, not what we don’t. We have two teams that have been head and shoulders above the other 8 with one being incredibly consistent over a two season span. Each team was given three opportunities to prove themselves to be a better or stronger side and I hear no arguments from anywhere from the 8 clubs that SFC were just fortunate, they cheated, they fixed the referees and the FFA to get to where they are. However, it appears that another two matches are required before everyone is satisfied.
      Well, the teams may be inconsistent, but my support for the A League and my viewing is not. This is the point where I switch off, congratulate Sydney FC, put thumbs up to Ernie Merrick and his team and head off back to grassroots football for the winter but not before I pen a letter to the English FA and cc: Manchester City advising them that once they have completed their 38 games, they really need to play at least two more before anyone can truly believe they are worthy champions.

      • Columnist

        April 16th 2018 @ 12:08pm
        Mike Tuckerman said | April 16th 2018 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

        I know all about the rivalry between Crystal Palace and Brighton and Hove Albion. My point is that it started over something (yes, the two clubs are geographically close, but they’re mainly rivals on the back of facing each other in the old Third Division). Don’t Perth Glory and Brisbane Roar have some shared history to squabble over? Namely a certain penalty in the 2012 grand final?

        If we keep ignoring the things the A-League has going for it, we can’t turn around and wonder why more people aren’t interested in the competition.

        • Roar Rookie

          April 16th 2018 @ 2:14pm
          Waz said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

          Agreed Mike, and the way Glory fans keep going on about it anyone would think it wasn’t a penalty lol.

          • April 16th 2018 @ 2:43pm
            mattq said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

            definitely was a dive Waz

            • April 16th 2018 @ 9:57pm
              pacman said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:57pm | ! Report

              I think you can still get the replay on U-Tube. Brilliant refereeing to see the heel clip that caused Berisha to lose balance and execute an air-swing. Definitely a penalty, and this an observation from an observer who disagrees with about 50% of penalties awarded.

        • April 16th 2018 @ 2:37pm
          Buddy said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

          Agreed over the 2012 final Mike, I have no wish to raise the subject here but I was more concerned with rivalry at a much nastier level…….dark days in the UK and I have friends who live just down from the Whitehorse end of Selhurst Park and that rivalry has been ugly to say the least.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 2:12pm
        LuckyEddie said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

        I think you will find Keogh and a few others in HAL are just hanging around long enough to get that Aussie Passport.

    • Roar Guru

      April 16th 2018 @ 8:17am
      Grobbelaar said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      The author writes: “…at the same time many fans in Perth flicked on their television to watch the same game, rather than head out to the venue?”

      In truth, not many are watcing on TV either:

      #TVratings Saturday STV #ALeague #FoxSports
      #PERvBRI 26k

      While we’re on the subject of attendances, for the first time in a while, this year’s average has dipped below Season One attendance averages and are the 4th lowest on record:

      Season average, from 1st to last

      Season 3 = 14,610
      Season 9 = 13,046
      Season 2 = 12,927
      Season 10 = 12,515
      Season 11 = 12,317
      Season 8 = 12,310
      Season 12 = 12,292
      Season 4 = 12,180
      Season 1 = 10,955
      **Season 13 = 10,660**
      Season 7 = 10,487
      Season 5 = 9,796
      Season 6 = 8,393

      The heady days of Season 3 now seem a long time ago (well, 10 years to be precise).

      • April 16th 2018 @ 10:01am
        Nemesis said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:01am | ! Report

        “The heady days of Season 3 now seem a long time ago (well, 10 years to be precise).”

        In 2017/18 we had 213,000 more Aussies attend ALeague than we did in Season 3.

        If anyone thinks the ALeague economy was stronger in Season 3 than it is today, they are delusional, or they don’t understand basic business economics.

        If I’m running a business, I want 213,000 more sales each year.

        Some sports know they can’t sustain their crowds longer than 6-8 weeks. We are football. Producing the best footballers is more important than measuring crowds.

        • Roar Guru

          April 16th 2018 @ 10:04am
          Grobbelaar said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:04am | ! Report

          Although the rations per mouth is vastly reduced.

          • April 16th 2018 @ 10:12am
            Nemesis said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:12am | ! Report

            That’s a simplistic conclusion based on simplistic linear thinking that does not apply to operating a business.

            Even a high school business student would understand the concept of “economies of scale” and know the difference between fixed & variable expenses and how generating more revenue can lead to greater profits, notwithstanding lower average sales per day.

        • April 16th 2018 @ 10:06am
          Kangajets said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:06am | ! Report

          Great stats

          213000 better off

          Great work

      • April 16th 2018 @ 10:12am
        Bilbo said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:12am | ! Report

        We need to also take into account the growth of rival sports

        There was no BBL back in season 3 and the NBL was a basketcase

        Now the BBL rules January and the NBL trumps the A league crowds in Perth, almost in Adelaide and Melb Utd has better attendances than Melb City even though ticket prices are much higher

        The A League has done really well remain above double digits in attendances

        • April 16th 2018 @ 11:10am
          Nemesis said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:10am | ! Report

          In Season 3, the ALeague started in August during the climax to the world’s best AFL, Rugby & RL seasons and the H&A season finished in mid January probably during week 1 of the Australian Open. The Grand Final was played in February.

          In Season 3, the ALeague played matches on the day of the AFL Grand Final & NRL Grand Final. The Aleague played matches on the day of every AFL final & every NRL final.

          Do you honestly think thousands of people who were watching Aleague in 2007/08 decided to move to NBL & BBL? There is absolutely no evidence this happens.

          Most likely people who now watch BBL & NBL were doing other things in 2007/08.

          Certainly, if were no ALeague, I wouldn’t be attending BBL or NBL. I’ve got a hundred other things I would do – including watching a blank wall – before choosing either of those 2 options.

    • April 16th 2018 @ 8:17am
      lesterlike said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      No we’ve done enough to cheer-lead the league as fans against outsiders and euro-snobs, I’ll celebrate the A-League when Football fans and Football culture are actually respected by the FFA and we have a league that reflected that. It’s been the fans who’ve been the most vociferous defenders of the league and for all that, we’ve got nothing back from the FFA who insist on forcing this AFL-lite mentality onto our game. Now i’m sick of it, the league is stale, and the quirky Australianisms of the league are tiring relics that are long passed their use by date.

      And saying Finals are part of Australia’s football culture is garbage, if they were it wouldn’t have taken til the 90’s for the VPL to have them imposed on us by non-football administrators, just like how they were a unwelcome late comer to the NSL. Finals were only ever a tool used by non football to attract outsiders who never really liked the game anyway, they were never brought in to make the league better for football fans.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 11:58am
        R King said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:58am | ! Report

        Well said Lester.

        • Columnist

          April 16th 2018 @ 12:12pm
          Mike Tuckerman said | April 16th 2018 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          Doesn’t really explain why capacity crowds turned out at Olympic Park, Subiaco, Lang Park etc. to watch NSL grand finals though, does it?

      • April 16th 2018 @ 2:15pm
        LuckyEddie said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

        THe only time I have seen Gallop on TV was when he was preaching for a yes vote for homosexual marriage. Crowds have really lifted since that one (sarc).

      • April 16th 2018 @ 2:36pm
        Midfielder said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:36pm | ! Report


        Then I suggest in your lifetime you will never support the A-League… as whoever is in charge will have finals… they have been around in Football in Australia from juniors to the NSL for hhhmmmmm maybe 80 years…

        • April 16th 2018 @ 3:16pm
          Kangajets said | April 16th 2018 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

          Australia has grand finals

          Think of some of the great games in Australia sport , they are not first past the post , they are grand finals

          Like when

          Wollongong Wolves beat Perth from 3 nil down
          When Archie scored 5 in a grand final

          When the mariners upset the Wanderers

          When Adelaide won at home in front of 50000 South Australians

          When Royce Simmons and the panthers won their first ever grand final against the great Canberra raiders team

          When Newcastle beat Manly in 1997 with
          Darren Albert scoring on the siren …

          Or when the cowboys beat the broncos in extra time in 2016

          When st , George won 11 in a row

          Or when Ablett senior kicked 9 goals in a losing grand final for Geelong against Hawthorn

          Grand finals are where the goosebumps and fairytale happen

          • April 16th 2018 @ 7:20pm
            KingCowboy said | April 16th 2018 @ 7:20pm | ! Report

            Hey Kanga, Just a small correction bud, cows beat the Donkeys in 2015!!

    • April 16th 2018 @ 8:19am
      bobbym said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:19am | ! Report

      Will TEN increase its coverage?

      • April 16th 2018 @ 8:45am
        AR said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        My understanding is that TEN has a 2 year agreement with Foxtel to show one Saturday match for free – taking Fox’s broadcast.

        So no.

        But if you were TEN, would you?

      • April 16th 2018 @ 8:48am
        Kangajets said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:48am | ! Report

        Finals on free to air are usually on an hour delay

        • April 16th 2018 @ 9:54am
          Nemesis said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

          Pretty sure the new TV deal stipulated Finals will be broadcast LIVE on FTA TV.

        • April 16th 2018 @ 2:22pm
          LuckyEddie said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

          Yes the FTA coverage of the finals is delayed. Another failure by Gallop and his motely crew.

          I’m facinated in Australia that we have all these well paid money draining sports officials when in fact FOX runs the show. Sack all of them and at least pump the money into the juniors.

          Back to the delayed coverage, I would think you would be better off with no FTA coverage rather than treating 75% of the population as second class peasants with a delayed coverage.

          • April 16th 2018 @ 2:45pm
            mattq said | April 16th 2018 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

            I read finals are live Eddie

            • April 16th 2018 @ 3:00pm
              LuckyEddie said | April 16th 2018 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

              Hope you are right but I remember a few years ago, I think Roar playing Adelaide, it was promoted as live but it was delayed. FOX normally get what FOX want and if they want it delayed it will be and they will not care about any legislation.

              Well we will have to wait and see but it’s hard getting those ads in in live coverage.

              The Seven Cw’th Games screen had live and free on it but a lot of the coverage was not live.

              Our Govts are that weak that they will not want to upset the media or Rupert by fining them.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 10:17am
        Bilbo said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:17am | ! Report

        Just had a look at the TV guide and One are showing both finals this weekend

        • April 16th 2018 @ 10:25am
          mattq said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:25am | ! Report

          and live!

          • April 16th 2018 @ 10:53am
            Nick Symonds said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:53am | ! Report

            How about putting the FFA Cup on FTA?

            And why do we still not have an A-League highlights show after 13 years?


            • April 16th 2018 @ 3:00pm
              marco said | April 16th 2018 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

              Demand from the audience ( read sports fans) will always determine the fate of sports broadcasting. In this case A League has negligible FTA audiences.
              The big 3 – AFL, NRL and now Cricket have FTA sewn up for the next 6 years.

              • April 16th 2018 @ 4:10pm
                Kangajets said | April 16th 2018 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

                Cricket may have shot itself in the foot , with them giving a lot more of their content to pay tv
                Time will tell

                English cricket sold off a lot tv rights to pay tv 20 years ago and they are pathetic now as a cricket nation , partly because of rapid loss of exposure to the kids via free to air .

                Of course there is the counter argument that free to air is a dying form of media and advertising is not going to make the money back for the television networks

                Would be in A league best interest to have exposure in all forms of broadcasting especially live streaming .

              • April 16th 2018 @ 4:15pm
                mattq said | April 16th 2018 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

                now will no bigbash on 10 (does it start this summer?) I wonder if they’ll have one last roll of the dice for the A-League and whack it on the main channel? Surely it deserves a go given previous ratings on SBS?

              • April 16th 2018 @ 8:03pm
                chris said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

                the big 3 in bogan-ville

              • April 17th 2018 @ 10:09pm
                bryan said | April 17th 2018 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

                The reason the “A League” has negligible FTA audiences is that there is negligible FTA
                The FTA broadcasters involved get the “leftovers” after Foxtel has taken the rest.

                Back in the 1960s the WANFL in WA & the FA in the UK believed that TV coverage adversely affected attendance at the games.

                The ABC was only allowed to show the last half of the Aussie Rules games in the Metro area.
                Instead, we got to watch the FA “Match of the day” ( the day was usually about a week before).
                I particularly noticed the miserly number & positioning of the cameras– apparently to make the Televised game less attractive.

                Since that time, it has become evident that TV coverage actually increases the likelihood of viewers attending games in person.

                Foxtel tried to bluff the AFL & Seven Network into not having all Dockers & Eagles
                games shown in Perth.

                Those two organisations, along with the WA fans, had enough “grunt” to make that a “non-starter”.

                The FFA, Ten, & the fan base don’t have that sort of pull, & probably never will, so those of us who are not in the “first flush of youth” & have a bit of trouble getting to the NIB,
                need to get Foxtel to get our “Glory” hit!

      • April 16th 2018 @ 3:17pm
        LuckyEddie said | April 16th 2018 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

        NewsCorp owns both FOX and most of TEN and NewCorp does whatever it likes.

    • Roar Guru

      April 16th 2018 @ 8:26am
      Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:26am | ! Report

      I understand trying to stay upbeat and positive, but why should we pretend that this season was great on and off the field instead of highlighting the extremely concerning negatives?

      There was plenty of optimism around the league a couple of seasons ago. Now, with the FFA continuing to under deliver or flat out lie, we are seeing some downward trends in viewers both on TV and in the stands. Yes there are elements in the crowds that deserve to be kicked out and banned (like in any sport), but let the authorities deal with them when they are caught instead of treating all fans like criminals before they even step into the stadium. Unfortunately the FFA dont get this, so now us fans have to deal with being harassed by stadium security, police and media alike – and instead of trying to step in to look after it’s major stakeholder, they sit back and let it happen. It’s funny how different I feel when I got ANZ stadium in my Wanderers jersey or if I go in my Parra jersey. Virtually no harrassment by security or police, with police stadium staff and security being a lot more open to a common sense approach when I’m in the blue and gold. It’s a joke.

      We hear about a ‘war chest’ for marquee players, but again…nothing….

      We had another year of witnessing virtually zero marketing of the league in general. We heard about a deal with an FTA network to broadcast the A-league to the majority of the population and nothing has come through.

      We heard about an appeals process being implemented for fans who have unfairly been banned…nothing.

      We are now seeing fans being banned for swearing at a football game? You have to be kidding me.

      We are seeing VAR suck the life out of all the games, with referee’s and linesman hesitant to make a live call and instead wait for VAR to intervene.

      Expansion is finally occurring, but the FFA in it’s incredibly naivety seems to be more focused on which expansion prospect has more money to spend than an agenda to grow the game.

      You can try and be optimistic Mike, but we should continue to highlight all the issues currently surrounding the league on and off the field because currently we are witnessing gross mismanagement. Three years ago the A-league seemed like it was on the up, instead the FFA has done everything it could to bring it back down again. This shouldn’t be swept under the carpet just because there is some entertaining drama in the league.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 8:31am
        KingCowboy said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:31am | ! Report

        Cheer up mate, Eels are going ok!!!! oh wait, hang on they are going terrible. Ha ha, sorry man, Eels are the only team keeping my boys off the bottom, so I feel some of your pain!

        • Roar Guru

          April 16th 2018 @ 8:32am
          Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:32am | ! Report

          Going from one long season following the Wanderers to one long season following the Eels. Put me out of my misery!

          • April 16th 2018 @ 9:14am
            Lee said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:14am | ! Report

            kaks- you make an interesting point about the difference in treatment you receive when you wear your wanderers shirt as opposed to your eals shirt. They treat you in this manner because you allow it.

            Why not boycott the wanderers games and let them and the FFA know why you are doing this? In this sunburnt land fans have more power than they realise as crowds for most codes are low and the sports are desperate to keep their fans happy and grow their codes’s crowds.

            If you lived in London and complained to Chelsea that you don’t like something, they can tell you they don’t care as there are thousands who will take your place. Here this is obviously not the case especially with a league crowds plummeting about 20% in one season!

            • Roar Guru

              April 16th 2018 @ 9:31am
              Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:31am | ! Report

              I have and even wrote a rant that was published here about a month ago as to why I am doing so. Many more fans have have as well – that’s why the numbers look as bad as they do.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 8:42am
        AR said | April 16th 2018 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        Just on the marketing kaks, the season started out with pretty average numbers, and I recall O’Rourke teasing about some marketing tricks under the sleeve that would appear toward the back half of the season.

        The viewing numbers tanked at the end. Did any of that promised marketing materialise?

        • Roar Guru

          April 16th 2018 @ 9:36am
          Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:36am | ! Report

          Only marketing I witnessed was when there was a derby on and the FFA/Fox used shots of the RBB, The Cove, the now defunct North Terrace et al.

          It seems that they love using active support to advertise the league the 4 times a year they do it even though they do what they can to stifle the support.

          Oh and dont forget the new ad they have on Fox sports with the dunny lid. At least they finally have something.

          • Roar Guru

            April 16th 2018 @ 9:58am
            AdelaideDocker said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:58am | ! Report

            I’ve seen a half-dozen ads for the finals on Fox over the last week or so, but the marketing has been pretty negligible other than that.

            • April 16th 2018 @ 3:07pm
              LuckyEddie said | April 16th 2018 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

              When will people get it – FOX does not want football to succeed. We are a summer filler until they can find something else.

              FOX bought football to make sure it goes no where, to protect their big ticket products AFL, NRL and Cricket.

              And, that’s why they do not advertise or promote it on their media platforms. All those lining FOX pockets are paying for the demise of a very strong and healthy HAL. You are in fact paying for your game to be treated like a third class citizen and giving money that will go in part to AFL, NRL and cricket.

              • April 16th 2018 @ 9:16pm
                AR said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:16pm | ! Report

                “When will people get it – FOX does not want football to succeed.“


                All the millions and millions Fox pays to secure exclusive rights to the ALeague, La Liga, Bundesliga, Champions League, massive EPL content…its all just a ruse to actually snuff out the sport in Australia.

                And all those nasty Fox employees – Simon Hill, Bozza, Peacock – they’re all in on the act.

                Thank god LuckyEddie is onto it and is spreading the word.

              • April 17th 2018 @ 6:30am
                chris said | April 17th 2018 @ 6:30am | ! Report

                AR bored once again with nothing to watch on AFL except the 18th repeat of some meaningless game over the weekend. How are the re-runs of Fox footy AR? Are they to your liking?

              • April 17th 2018 @ 7:21am
                AR said | April 17th 2018 @ 7:21am | ! Report

                So chris is an anti-Fox conspiracy theorist too?


                Do we even get Breitbart over here?

              • April 17th 2018 @ 7:30am
                chris said | April 17th 2018 @ 7:30am | ! Report

                No I’m not AR. In fact if anything Fox underpaid for its football rights. They aren’t silly and they know the A-League is crucial.

        • April 16th 2018 @ 12:28pm
          Kris said | April 16th 2018 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

          Marketing is increasingly difficult. Hard to find those large captive audiences. People don’t buy a paper, or watch TV in the same way. If you get your news via Facebook or Social media it is very hard to a sporting league to reach you.

          • Roar Guru

            April 16th 2018 @ 1:06pm
            AdelaideDocker said | April 16th 2018 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

            Very true. It ain’t just the FFA either: it’s increasingly hard to market anything these days.

            Unfortunately for the A-League (and I’m not saying this as a personal criticism, just an observation), it’s tougher for them to market the game when the dominant media avenues focus a fair bit on the negatives – News Ltd papers, being the rubbish tabloids they tend to be, would love it anytime the RBB get themselves into trouble or whenever some violent thing happens at a match.

            It’s frustrating, but when you’re trying to market something that the media is pushing a negative stigma onto, it’ll inevitably get harder.

            That said, whilst it might be harder, it doesn’t mean advertising becomes a moot point. They’ve still gotta be doing it. I’ve seen a few ads on FoxSports for the finals, but that’s advertising a sport that’s primarily broadcasted on pay-TV …. on that very pay-TV channel. That’s a strange conundrum.

          • Roar Guru

            April 16th 2018 @ 1:44pm
            Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

            Social media has actually made advertising easier.

            You go on youtube on your phone and before a video starts you have a 5-10 second ad. You go on Instagram or snapchat and they now have ads. You go on any news website and it’s inundated with ads.

            My gripe isn’t that I dont see enough TV commercials or banners at a bus stop. It’s that I virtually see nothing at all.

      • April 16th 2018 @ 9:15am
        fadida said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        Blaming FFA because clubs couldn’t find/pay for marquees?!

        • Roar Guru

          April 16th 2018 @ 9:29am
          Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:29am | ! Report

          Not necessarily. My biggest issue is that the FFA keep’s beating it’s chest about this war chest.

          However there have also been time’s where the FFA states that some players are not ‘marquee’ enough for the war chest, like when the Wanderers were sounding out Goran Pandev.

          So it makes me wonder what they are looking for or expecting, or if they even have this war chest? Or did they use it to top up Gallop’s salary as he’s the real marquee?

          • April 16th 2018 @ 9:33am
            AR said | April 16th 2018 @ 9:33am | ! Report

            My understanding is that the war chest (the Timmy fund) has been scrapped, no?

            • Roar Guru

              April 16th 2018 @ 10:52am
              Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:52am | ! Report

              I have not read or heard anything that suggests this to be honest. As far as I’m aware, the FFA still have funds available for club Marquee’s

              • Roar Guru

                April 16th 2018 @ 11:04am
                Cameron Kellett said | April 16th 2018 @ 11:04am | ! Report

                It is most definitively scrapped. The FFA handed out additional funds to all the clubs this season, $300,000 I believe. That’s $3 million gone from what I believe was a $15 million kitty FoxSports were happy to grant for marquees. Clubs identified they do not have the cash to trump MLS or CSL so they opted for the $300,000 this season. It may change, but given how pathetic the Tim Cahill rule was, no club will want to see FFA with their hands in the pie.

      • Roar Guru

        April 16th 2018 @ 10:03am
        AdelaideDocker said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:03am | ! Report

        It’s properly hard reading your comments, because it underscores how upset you are at the league.

        I mean, if your A-League and NRL teams are giving you grief, Collingwood wasn’t bad last weekend 😉 you go for them, from memory?

        • Roar Guru

          April 16th 2018 @ 10:53am
          Kaks said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:53am | ! Report

          Hopefully this leads to something for the mighty magpies! Last few years they have had a couple of big scalps to start with only to falter in ‘easier’ games. Time will tell I suppose.

          Looks like Freo wont be an easy beat like many suggested they would be this season

      • April 16th 2018 @ 10:29am
        mattq said | April 16th 2018 @ 10:29am | ! Report

        Kaks, given the club’s grievances with the FFA i’d say marketing and marquees, lack thereof, are just as much to blame on the clubs as FFA. There’s no way the clubs were going to invest heavily this season…