Ross still the boss: Fremantle release statement backing Lyon

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    The Fremantle Dockers have released a statement confirming that Ross Lyon will remain their senior coach despite speculation that he could step down.

    Lyon being reportedly at the centre of a number of incidents in recent weeks has fuelled speculation that despite the Dockers’ somewhat successful start to the season, he could leave the club.

    However Fremantle’s statement specifies that the club is ‘fully committed’ to Lyon as their senior coach where is contracted until the end of 2020.

    “The recent media speculation does not in any way alter the board and the club’s commitment to Ross as senior coach of the Fremantle Dockers,” said Fremantle president Dale Alcock.

    Read the full statement:

    The Fremantle Football Club can confirm that a male person contacted the club last night and again today to advise that he would not be taking any action over an allegation reported by the Herald Sun yesterday about an alleged altercation involving the club’s senior coach at a bar in Fremantle some years ago.

    The AFL has also confirmed that it is not investigating any complaint against Fremantle.

    Yesterday’s reporting by the Herald Sun of an alleged altercation is unrelated to a work place matter that was presented to the club via a WorkCover WA worker’s compensation claim form in late 2017, which contained allegations by a former employee about a current employee.

    This matter was subsequently worked through in consultation with all parties, including the AFL, and resolved with the agreement of all parties and also independently investigated by the AFL’s Integrity Services Unit in accordance with the league’s Respect and Responsibility Policy and at the request of the current employee and the club.

    No sanctions were imposed following the AFL investigation.

    Alcock said the club would welcome an independent investigation by the AFL of any complaint about Fremantle.

    “The Fremantle Football Club is an organisation that is committed to the highest standards and to ensuring that we provide a safe, supportive and respectful environment for everyone who works at our club or comes into contact with our club,” Alcock said.

    “It is really important that if people feel that the club and our employees have not demonstrated those standards, they are able to have the matter investigated by an independent person from the AFL or – if it is serious – to have it referred to the relevant authority.

    “I would encourage anyone in such a situation to do that. Everyone has the right to have their complaint properly and fully investigated.”

    Alcock said the club had learnt from its handling of the workplace matter earlier this year.

    “As a club we have positive learnings from the process conducted earlier this year with the AFL, and this will assist us to further enhance our workplace culture and to be the best club that we can be,” Alcock said.

    “Last year we instigated a process of updating and reinforcing our core club values of excellence and respect with all of our staff.

    “We are conducting training sessions with key staff, which will be followed by the whole staff group, on the AFL’s Respect and Responsibility Policy and the skills for preventing and dealing with these matters.

    “We are also reviewing the process conducted with the AFL Integrity Services Unit earlier this year to ensure that we are best placed to deal with future integrity matters.

    “It is also important to note that over the past five years, the number of permanent female employees working at our club has increased from 28 to 47 in 2018 (not including female players).

    “We have been proud to have a team in the AFLW for the past two years and female players as part of our club.

    “We have promoted key women employees and now have three female directors as part of our diverse board.

    “We also have a women’s leadership program and instigated a review of our workplace entitlements that will be put to the board later this month.

    “As I said, we are committed to providing a safe environment for men and women to work in, where there is respect for all. That is an important part of who we are and what we stand for.

    “If ever people think that any individual at Fremantle falls below those standards then I would encourage them to go to the AFL, to sit down with the AFL Integrity Services Unit and provide all the information they have, or alternatively contact the club.

    “The community expects us and we expect to provide and maintain a supportive and safe environment where people are treated as equals and with respect. That is the right thing to do and we are committed to doing that.

    “We want everyone who engages with our club and all employees and players to walk away with a positive experience of the Fremantle Football Club.

    “We are also committed to addressing any issue in an open, honest, and respectful way in line with AFL policies, relevant legal requirements and the club’s values.

    “Our management team is very experienced and our diverse and high calibre board has broad business, cultural and community experience.

    “Our board and management team are committed to following best practice, and acting sensitively and with respect and integrity to all parties, at all times.”

    Alcock confirmed the club and the board’s support for Ross Lyon as senior coach of the Fremantle Dockers.

    “Since joining the club in late 2011, Ross Lyon has clearly demonstrated that he is a very experienced, hard-working and committed senior coach and that continues to be the case today,” Alcock said.

    “Ross’ working relationship with his coaching team and playing group is outstanding and is reflected in the focused and cohesive way the players and coaches plan and prepare for every training session and every game.

    “Ross is fully committed to our list rebuild and the ongoing development and growth of both our young and experienced players.

    “Ross is also committed to and continues to demonstrate improvement and growth as a senior person at the club.

    “As a club we are fully committed to Ross as our senior coach and the recent media speculation does not in any way alter the board and the club’s commitment to Ross as senior coach of the Fremantle Dockers.”

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    • Roar Pro

      May 11th 2018 @ 2:41pm
      anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

      If this were a Clarkson on the verge of another premiership you’d understand them putting results ahead of ethics.

      But this is a coach who has won 15 of his last 52 games, the team is clearly not playing for him (4 tackles in the opening quarter last week despite doing all the defending), demonstrated no ability to evolve his game plan during the “rebuild” and over the course of his 12 year coaching career, bizarre player selections.

      Just the onfield problems alone are enough of a reason to consider moving him along.

      But then you throw in sexual harassment settled through a 6 figure pay off, a second allegation and possibly a third to come, how he treated AFLW coach at Fremantle with contempt by walking out on her, bust up with Peter Sumich when he was assistant where Sumich was verbally abused (apparently over Sumich wanting a less stoppages based game plan), running all his assistants out of the club in the same 12 month period.

      Usually these incidents aren’t once offs. I doubt it’s the first time the perpetrator has made an obnoxious comment to a woman designed to humiliate and belittle her. As we’ve seen with many men in powerful positions who have to defend a sexual harassment of sexual assault allegation, we eventually find out that the perpetrator has a history of this type of behaviour. Management cover the behaviour and victims are intimidated into not making complaints.

      • May 11th 2018 @ 3:16pm
        Mattyb said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

        I think your mans days are numbered anon.
        I must say as the website becomes more and more based around biased club commentary and rose coloured glasses double standards,your hard hitting sports commentary,as well as how often you are proven correct,is a breathe of fresh air and always both thought provoking and a good read.

        • Roar Pro

          May 11th 2018 @ 4:00pm
          anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

          Thanks mate.

          Just calling it as I see it.

          It’s beggars belief that he’s kept his job.

          Can someone point to a senior coach in any other sport surviving despite the trail of destruction he’s cause to the product both on the field and off the field.

          Let’s not get bogged down on whether it was through Worksafe or not, how much the pay off was for, the terms of the NDA, whether people are too sensitive nowadays, etc.

          We can all agree on what was said. What was said was unacceptable and a poor reflection on the man himself. He’s the public face of a professional sporting organisation, he’s supposed to set the example as a high profile head coach. If you don’t want to be held to such standards, don’t sign the contract. He’s compensated $1 million a year for it. It’s not that hard.

          It’s one thing a 20-year-old player having a skinful and saying it. This is a 50-year-old head coach. He should know better being 50 and should know that such behaviour is completely unacceptable from a senior employee who wields power and influence over the entire organisation.

          The comment was designed to humiliate and belittle the woman.

          Chris Gayle is a flamboyant West Indian cricketer that playfully says “don’t blush baby” to a reporter on camera and he’s sacked and blackballed from playing T20 cricket in Australia despite being one of the best T20 batsmen in the world still.

          Ross Lyon as an organisational leader makes a creepy unsolicited comment to a young woman behind closed doors at a work function and everyone is protecting the guy.

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 4:30pm
            AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:30pm | ! Report

            If you can tell me what was said, that’ll be great.

            The only group even mentioning the alleged “comment” are the media. They’re basing it on “sources” and they want the clicks.

            I don’t think Freo’s done anything but handle this professionally. They understand the concept of confidentiality, have adresssed the media through statements and this afternoon’s presser, and have clarified their position. Public relations success in all the ways they can control – which obviously doesn’t include however the media wants to portray the story.

            By the way, I’ve never understood this mentality of they should know better. Trump should know better at 70-odd, as should Harvey Weinstein. Chris Gayle should’ve known better. The twenty something year old who was indecent to a workmate of mine should know better. There’s no quantifiable “should know better” age.

            • Roar Pro

              May 11th 2018 @ 4:35pm
              anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

              Let’s agree that Lyon went up to the woman and mentioned her “budding b*****s”.

              The club won’t verify it because they are conveniently hiding behind a non-disclosure agreement like any scoundrel would.

              Put it this way, if it were David Hale who said these things to the woman, but the media had pinned it on Ross, Ross would be the first to tell everyone that he’s not the person and has no involvement.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:50pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:50pm | ! Report

                No club, no court, no company would ever reveal specific language used in a case like this.

                I don’t know too much about business, but a non disclosure agreement isn’t as radically negative as you’re making it out to be.

                You’ll notice that Freo has never denied any of this, and they’re not going to sack the coach as they’ve (fairly) made abundantly clear. I dunno what you want now, other than continuing your outrage (which obviously is your right).

                Can we honestly just go back to focusing on the football?

              • May 11th 2018 @ 4:56pm
                Jonboy said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:56pm | ! Report

                Well said AD i agree .

              • Roar Pro

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:58pm
                anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

                Non-disclosure agreements exist for the benefit of the abuser. To protect their reputation.

                You keep throwing money at someone until it’s an amount of money they can’t refuse.

                That’s how you buy someone’s silence.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:01pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

                Ha, yeah, because that’s the only reason people sign non-disclosure agreements. /s

                You are so constantly, and consistently, negative in all facets of your life.

            • Roar Pro

              May 11th 2018 @ 5:12pm
              anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:12pm | ! Report

              Let’s look at this agreement.

              Lyon (the abuser) is offering money to the woman (the victim).

              He is offering compensation to her.

              Why would he make her silence an additional stipulation in the settlement unless you wanted her silence?

              Wouldn’t you just pay her the compensation and be done with it.

              Lyon or the club certainly won’t discuss the incident in public because it would destroy their reputation to discuss what he did and what they tried to cover up.

              Why are they so petrified of someone speaking freely?

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:20pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

                Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but from my understanding, you’re incorrect.

                There was no “hush money” or anything.

                The woman came to Freo with a complaint. Freo investigated, came to the conclusion that something occurred, and eventually settled with her for an amount we do not know.

                In that settlement, there was an automatic confidentiality agreement – which is the reason that the club, Lyon and the AFL cannot comment. It’s also the reason why so much of the information present in this saga is unconfirmed, and why there is so much speculation.

                I’m really exasperated trying to explain this to you.

              • May 11th 2018 @ 5:43pm
                Jonboy said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

                Right again AD,

              • Roar Pro

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:33pm
                anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

                There was no “hush money” or anything.

                The woman came to Freo with a complaint. Freo investigated, came to the conclusion that something occurred, and eventually settled with her for an amount we do not know.

                Let’s say that the amount was $100k and that he belittled her with a creepy comment about her breasts.

                In that settlement, there was an automatic confidentiality agreement – which is the reason that the club, Lyon and the AFL cannot comment. It’s also the reason why so much of the information present in this saga is unconfirmed, and why there is so much speculation.”

                It was a private settlement not through Workcover (club and AFL tried to mislead everyone by implying it was through Workcover). There’s no automatic confidentiality agreement it’s put into a contract. You make it sound like Lyon had no choice.

                Why would Lyon need to be silenced in this case? Was the victim worried that Lyon would call a press conference and start bragging about sexual harassing her? Are you serious?

              • May 13th 2018 @ 2:28am
                Haydos said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:28am | ! Report

                Jesus Christ anon. Let it go. There is more to footy than the time and effort you’re putting into this.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:44pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

                Why would Lyon need to be silenced in this case? Was the victim worried that Lyon would call a press conference and start bragging about sexual harassing her? Are you serious?

                Hahahahahaha. Oh my god. You’re joking, yes?

                I said that due to the confidentially agreement, they can’t speak about it. The club can’t speak about it. Lyon cannot talk about it. The victim can’t.

                It really isn’t hard to grasp.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:51pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:51pm | ! Report

                anon’s schtick is to be selective, repetitive and generalistic as possible. He’s another on here who prefers cheap parlour tricks to actually having a considered discussion on specific relevant points (I swear they must do a course given how similar their m.o.’s are). I learned a far ways back there’s not much to be gained by treating him seriously.

          • May 11th 2018 @ 6:07pm
            Don Freo said | May 11th 2018 @ 6:07pm | ! Report

            I’d say none of this has has happened as you characterize it.

            What a spin!

            Nothing you have predicted has come to pass after 3 years of bad mouthing him. You have moved him on every year and been wrong every year.

            Michelle Cowan has nothing to do with Ross Lyon. He is the men’s coach. What the women do is not close to his jurisdiction. Ross doesn’t run the club.

            Brett Kirk went home to family and a job at his old club.

            Care to blame Ross for the federal deficit?

      • Roar Rookie

        May 11th 2018 @ 3:18pm
        Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:18pm | ! Report

        Anon over here I’ve heard freo fans blaming the girl, try and defend the agreement as some kind of protection for all parties not just Ross, rosich and the freo board.
        The man is a blight on wa footy, 1 gf shouldn’t be a free pass and wouldn’t save the bacon of a coach at another club.
        When he came it was supposed to be freo malthouse moment but instead he seemingly has caused a lot of harm to a young lady and only the morons will say the money received matches the psychological damage that has gone on

        • Roar Guru

          May 11th 2018 @ 4:07pm
          AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

          Any Freo fan blaming the girl is an absolute imbecile.

          I’m not understanding your blight on WA footy remark, though.

        • May 11th 2018 @ 10:53pm
          Guttsy said | May 11th 2018 @ 10:53pm | ! Report

          Malthouse got what was essentially a state team when he arrived to coach at the Eagles. The same can’t be said for Ross when he arrived at Fremantle.

          • Roar Rookie

            May 11th 2018 @ 11:04pm
            Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:04pm | ! Report

            Were did wce finish in john Todd’s final year, pretty low on the ladder mate,malthouse shaped wce he didn’t inherit an amazing list in ppl view at the time

          • May 12th 2018 @ 4:47am
            Lroy said | May 12th 2018 @ 4:47am | ! Report

            Again, that has been debunked numerous times. Google 1986 state of origin sides and see how many WA players went on to play for the Eagles. Only one of them played in the 92 premiership side.

            Most of the 86 origin side were signed by VFL clubs

            • Roar Rookie

              May 12th 2018 @ 5:40am
              Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 5:40am | ! Report

              Lroy-can you imagine what would be said today if young guys like Kemp and heady slipped to the end of the draft like they did? And Tony Evans would of been a mature age recruit in today’s language or a rookie list. Ppl love the state of origin slight they don’t like the truth which is wce are great identifiers of talent as much so then as they are today

            • Roar Guru

              May 12th 2018 @ 8:39am
              Dalgety Carrington said | May 12th 2018 @ 8:39am | ! Report

              I’m not sure any side has been able to draft 7 players from a winning Teal Cup side (5 of them in the equivalent All Australian side). They had the most generous concessions of any incoming team in reality, given what they had access to and what they could do with it.

              The charge against the WC in those days too was that they always were playing ducks and drakes with the WA players that they had their eyes on. I’m sure there were plenty back in the day who saw the WC as representing Western Australia, being more parochial and isolated back then (i.e. no internet, more expensive airfares), so plenty of kids playing footy would see them as a ticket to stay at home.

              The WC obviously were acutely aware of this and wanted to protect that for as long as possible with their exclusionary deal with the VFL to keep them as the sole Western Australian side until 1995. The two Freo sides joined forces to try to bring in a side in 1986/87 but were blocked by the WC.

              The bulk of the 1991 State of Origin side was players out of the WC (wasn’t the backline the WC backline?), with a sprinkling of players from elsewhere. A team full of the 1986 state of origin side would’ve been fairly decrepit by the mid-90’s.

              • May 12th 2018 @ 9:42am
                Aligee said | May 12th 2018 @ 9:42am | ! Report

                The knock on WA footy back then was a lack of physicality due to the bigger grounds and more running open footy compared to Eastern states, Malthouse toughened them up.

                Kids from WA are still underrated IMO in comparison to the Eastern states.

              • Roar Guru

                May 12th 2018 @ 10:09am
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 12th 2018 @ 10:09am | ! Report

                Matt Barber had a fair role in improving their physicality 😉 .

                Malthouse was probably the right fit for them at the time. He brought in a defence first mentality creating a synthesis with the level of talent they had available and the more free flowing style of WA footy.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 10:23am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 10:23am | ! Report

                Don’t under estimate the impact of cook and nisbett who both came on in 1990, wce got professional on and off the field. I understand the charge but what gets forgotten is wce lost a lot of class due to players wanting opportunity. Robbie west, braydrn Lyle, matt clape, Matt connell, Jason heatley etc aswell as a heap of others.

              • Roar Guru

                May 12th 2018 @ 11:28am
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 12th 2018 @ 11:28am | ! Report

                Trading out fringe/depth/role players for inflated prices are one of the real ongoing advantages a premiership brings (even more so for multiple) to keep the list topped up.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 1:10pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

                Absolutely mate and the list size back then was 52 or something ridiculous which made trading out players not as disruptive as it is now

      • Roar Guru

        May 11th 2018 @ 3:34pm
        Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

        Well, there’s a big chunk of genuineness and sincerity. Wish I could believe your words were motivated by care for others, but if this was about almost anyone else but Ross Lyon I’d be guessing you’d taking a different tack.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 11th 2018 @ 5:01pm
          Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

          No, if Adam Simpson behaved in this manner I would have the same view, regardless of my thoughts of cuz the player I believe the club took the correct action in his dismissal.
          This just so you are aware is not anti freo rhetoric.

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 5:09pm
            Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

            My reply was to anon.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 11th 2018 @ 5:23pm
              Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

              Apologies mate, convalescing after surgery so misread.

              • Roar Guru

                May 12th 2018 @ 2:15am
                AdelaideDocker said | May 12th 2018 @ 2:15am | ! Report

                Oh yikes, everything okay?

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 2:41am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 2:41am | ! Report

                Yeah, spinal injections so had to be put under for it, not fun but trying to avoid major surgery like disc fusion, cheers for asking man I do appreciate 🙂 if you ever wondered why I have time to be on the roar so often there’s the answer :p

        • Roar Rookie

          May 12th 2018 @ 8:36pm
          Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

          Dalgetty I am able to discuss different subjects with ppl ,were we may disagree and at times be quite slanderous towards one another it does not mean we cannot both be civil and agree on other subject threads, I don’t hold grudges mate it’s unhealthy.

      • Roar Guru

        May 11th 2018 @ 4:47pm
        Paul D said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:47pm | ! Report

        So anon – when it’s a thread about Ross Lyon you’re defending women, when it’s a thread about women’s footy you’re ripping chunks out of them?

        For me it’s never what you say it’s the utter lack of intellectual foundation or consistency behind it. Makes it hard to take you seriously on any issue because it becomes rapidly plain you don’t actually believe what you’re writing. You’re just trying to get an argument going

        Actually the funniest part was matty’s remarks where he all but gently tongues your taint, such is the depths of the suckholery. You two have had a few online reacharounds on this place. I suppose it’s easy when you’re all on the same IP address

        • Roar Pro

          May 11th 2018 @ 5:00pm
          anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

          So anon – when it’s a thread about Ross Lyon you’re defending women, when it’s a thread about women’s footy you’re ripping chunks out of them?

          AFLW is of a low standard and not ready to be shown on FTA national television. People don’t enjoy it. Low crowds despite free entry and low ratings. It’s not working. That’s a universal truth.

          Sexual harassment in the workplace is never acceptable.

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 5:07pm
            AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:07pm | ! Report

            I don’t think anybody’s disagreed with you on the “sexual harassment is never acceptable” thing, anon. It is never acceptable, anywhere.

            I’m speaking for myself here, but it’s just that I don’t regularly fall in line with Australia’s 24/7, tabloid-ish media system that is always hungry for a scoop, a scandal or a front page story.

            I hate the fact that my club has fallen victim to this. Buuut, stuff like, for a very recent case, B. Hill’s drunken mishaps on Saturday night is something to be properly outraged about, because it was very public and very stupid. Lyon’s case, whilst very bad, isn’t public and it isn’t supposed to be public.

            It isn’t just about “protecting Lyon”, as you’ve so succinctly liked to put it – it’s about protecting the victim as well. Perhaps she hates this confidential (there’s that word again, remember) saga of her professional life being dragged through the media. Perhaps she doesn’t. Either or, it isn’t our right to know the full facts of what happened.

            • Roar Pro

              May 11th 2018 @ 5:17pm
              anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:17pm | ! Report

              I get it.

              Just say.

              “I know what he said was wrong, I know that sexual harassment is wrong, I know it’s a poor reflection on the leadership and image of the club, but I think he’s still a good coach so I can overlook little things like sexual harassment.”

              Will be funny if Hill is punished more harshly than Lyon.

              Hill’s only hurt himself no-one else.

              Lyon sexual harassed a woman.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:53pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:53pm | ! Report

                Yeah, nah.

                I’m not overlooking sexual harassment. I’m not giving him a free pass because he’s a good coach.

                I’m just satisfied that if the club, the accused, the victim and the wider league all seem to have come to the conclusion that this unfortunate event has been and gone, there isn’t much to say. And there’s definitely no drastic case to sack the man.

                You’ll notice that the victim in this case hasn’t spoken. At all. To me, it makes me feel like she’s moved on, or she’s uncomfortable with all the attention. Obviously, I could be wrong, but I feel as if this saga has gotten way out of hand.

                As a member of the club, I’m disappointed but comfortable with the way they’ve handled it.

              • May 11th 2018 @ 6:12pm
                Jonboy said | May 11th 2018 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

                There definitely is no case to sack him or for him to resign

              • Roar Pro

                May 11th 2018 @ 6:02pm
                anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 6:02pm | ! Report

                You’ll notice that the victim in this case hasn’t spoken. At all. To me, it makes me feel like she’s moved on, or she’s uncomfortable with all the attention.

                That’s because they bought her silence for $100k.

              • May 11th 2018 @ 11:08pm
                Don Freo said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:08pm | ! Report

                What a ridiculous guess at a number. The gutter press make up a number and the gullible mindless, like anon, repeat it as fact.

                Anon, you probably think Home and Away is a documentary.

          • May 11th 2018 @ 5:10pm
            Jonboy said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:10pm | ! Report

            Harassment or compliment.?

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 5:35pm
            Paul D said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:35pm | ! Report

            If we are talking standards there’s no way in hell the lions or suns men’s teams should have been on FTA these past few years.

            You’d like it to be a universal truth. Personally I believe comments made my someone like Penster who openly has said he has daughters playing and that it has really changed his local football club for the better. If you look beyond the top end of town for once you’d see there’s a huge overhaul going on at grassroots footy clubs the length and breadth of the country. The showing of women’s football games on tv is just a small but essential part of the process. Rushing to condemn something as a failure that will obviously take decades illustrates the dearth of intellectualism in your posts.

            At least I pushed you into a backdown and a clarifying statement. Frankly I’ll take that.

            • Roar Pro

              May 11th 2018 @ 11:28pm
              anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:28pm | ! Report

              At least I pushed you into a backdown and a clarifying statement. Frankly I’ll take that.

              I suppose you take what you can get.

              • Roar Guru

                May 12th 2018 @ 9:12pm
                Paul D said | May 12th 2018 @ 9:12pm | ! Report

                With you I have to, given how petrified you are of admitting anything about yourself.

    • Roar Rookie

      May 11th 2018 @ 2:46pm
      Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

      Until last weekend freo felt they could ride this out, the exit strategy is in play/development and will be a seamless event at end of year unless another Lyon stuff up brings it fwd. To certain members of freo fanbase this isn’t a anti freo situation, nor one of salacious gossip, as the independent work cover body wasn’t involved it is a pvt settlement which equals hush money, these actions cannot be defiant defended behind its got a confidentiality agreement in place, the only person protected is Ross and those who were involved from the club.
      Ask yourself guys how would you feel if your wife, girlfriend, mother, daughter or sister was subject to that behavior and if after that you still believe he should be in charge of your team then maybe a mirror and self reflection is more likely what you need.

      • Roar Guru

        May 11th 2018 @ 3:16pm
        Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

        The event actually occurred in 2012, Fremantle were fully aware of the situation fairly early on in the piece. It’d be bizarre if they sacked Lyon on the basis of what they have known about it for years and was cleared by the AFL Integrity Unit to boot. In fact, they would open themselves up to further action from Ross Lyon no doubt.

        Most women have been subjected to unwanted sleazy behaviour at all sorts of places, which is extremely unfortunate. I think the kicker in this was the alleged maltreatment in the workplace by colleagues following her reporting the incident, which probably contributed significantly to the size of the payout. Really though, most of what we’re going on for detail is scuttlebutt and what’s out there in the ether, as people trying to jump the gun on the scoop and/or inflate their own self-importance.

        Private settlements happen all the time in the corporate world as a legitimate strategy to avoid a long drawn out and often more expensive process than the payout itself, where there may be a lot of conjecture at play too.

        You keep trying hard to insinuate there is something more to it and in doing so your story shifts more than Trumps’ Stormy Daniels line.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 11th 2018 @ 3:31pm
          Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:31pm | ! Report

          There is a lot more going on than insinuation and scuttlebutt from me as I stated yesterday to rick and will state again to I am in close contact with someone involved in the afl who I will trust long before any tweets, reports etc but I respect your right to query me.
          Your constant defence and hostility is based solely on you being a Fremantle supporter and I understand, watching your club be scrutinized isn’t fun but in this situation I will reiterate that an exit strategy is in place for later in season and this is ultimately been driven privately by the major sponsor, as belly said Ross will be coach for the short term.

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 3:38pm
            Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

            “Constant defence and hostility”? More like mostly amused, occasionally bemused and taking you to task for your vague and shifting insinuations. I’ve been very specific about what I’ve challenged, so if you’ve got a specific example where you can challenge my logic, bring it.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 11th 2018 @ 5:33pm
              Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

              I’m happy to stand by what I’ve said, again I reiterate a exit strategy is underway unless it gets untenable it will come at seasons end and will be worded in such a way as to say Ross is putting the clubs interest first. It is ultimately going to come from the pressure applied by major sponsor. If I’m wrong happily taunt me because I won’t be worried, you have yet to disrupt my state of being and you won’t in the future either.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:56pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

                You can hardly stand by something in an anonymous virtual space, can you?

                So you have no specific challenges to the logic?

                Talk is cheap. Actions say otherwise.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 11th 2018 @ 7:48pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 7:48pm | ! Report

                Yes I can as if we met in the flesh I would talk in exactly the same manner furthermore we can exchange details and meet and you can find out for yourself my online representation is no different to how I am in the real world, dalgetty I am comfortable with myself, my opinions and who I get some info from so I have no need to be any other way.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 11th 2018 @ 10:25pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 10:25pm | ! Report

                And we disagree so I don’t need to validate or invalidate you. You spend an awful lot of time desperately trying to be right or taking on the role of antagonist, it lacks substance and is quite the character flaw dalgetty.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 11:09pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:09pm | ! Report

                Hahaha, yep, best you leave that tricky logic thing alone.

                Maybe if I ever need someone for a game of charades I’ll look you up.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 11th 2018 @ 11:19pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:19pm | ! Report

                As there was no logic just you trying to stroke your ego as you try to prove you’re right on a consistent to near always basis I just put it in the isn’t worth my time category.
                Your constant hahas , lols, you’re hilarious and general sarcastic statements does show I’m dealing with a person who straddles the fence between juvenile and infantile that explaining myself to you would be futile and though I find you amusing to an extent it would ultimately be a waste of time on something that deserves no effort.

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 4:10pm
            AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

            I feel as if you’re relishing in Freo’s misery a little too much. Probably because you’re a West Coast fan. Plus you’re aware this source of yours might be completely wrong, yeah?

            If Simmo at your club was in the exact same situation, would you want him immediately gone?

            • Roar Guru

              May 11th 2018 @ 4:17pm
              Peter the Scribe said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

              What about you AD? As a Freo fan, if the only fact happens to be exactly true as to what Ross said to the young lady (as reported), do you want Ross Lyon removed as coach or do you want him to go on?

            • Roar Rookie

              May 11th 2018 @ 5:12pm
              Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:12pm | ! Report

              I would want simmo sacked, if it had been either malthouse or woosha I’d have wanted them sacked, when the behavior of our captain and brownlow medalist was questionable and causing I wanted him sacked and he was.
              In this situation the organization that is Fremantle and their fans trying desperately to defend the behavior of a person who has harassed a young lady enough to cause a six figure payout putting it in the high level of harassment is a poor reflection.

            • May 11th 2018 @ 11:16pm
              Don Freo said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:16pm | ! Report

              What misery, AD? Nothing miserable at Freo. This is an exciting season. The only misery is coming from miserable people like anon and Mattican.

              They can be well and truly dismissed.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 12:22am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:22am | ! Report

                And jonboy don, don’t forget throwing jonboy name in there like you do.
                Ad is good to converse with he can articulate his opinion with grace and dignity aswell as accept others having a difference of opinion with him. Nor does he carry a grudge against those who he engages in a lively debate with, he also doesn’t resort to belittling those whose opinions differ, if you could engage in a discussion more like ad there maybe a chance I would take you seriously.

              • May 12th 2018 @ 12:27am
                Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:27am | ! Report

                You can stand alone without your mate…can’t you?

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 12:50am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:50am | ! Report

                Always will, jonboy and I disagree on certain topics and agree on others, that means we are prepared to listen to all opinions and have the courage to stand by ours.
                The irritation that you feel because I dare to have an opinion that you don’t like is quite palpable, if you’re going to get irate every time someone voices an opinion on freo that you don’t like an opinion site is not the best environment to occupy time with.

              • Roar Guru

                May 12th 2018 @ 2:14am
                AdelaideDocker said | May 12th 2018 @ 2:14am | ! Report

                @Don

                Misery might’ve been the wrong word, sure.

                @Matti

                Thanks mate. I try and keep most of my conversations on here as civil as possible, but it’s only natural that I’ll occasionally get frustrated. Your opinion on this issue is obviously different to mine, but I doesn’t really matter.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 2:55am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 2:55am | ! Report

                Ad cheers mate, I do understand the position you have, as you know it doesn’t matter what happens with wce the mid 00 culture problems will always get raised in some way every year and I will always fly the flag in not defence nowadays but when it happened and my club fell apart I was very much similar to yourself here , freo is your tribe and I wouldn’t expect anything less

          • May 11th 2018 @ 4:10pm
            Ben said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

            Hey Mattician I also know someone extremely close to the Dockers. In his words, “the matter was dealt with immediately after the event, to the young lady’s satisfaction, the AFL was involved and ticked it off”.
            I would never condone any of the actions from Ross that have been floating around. I would react had it been one of my daughters or my wife.
            My point in this small ramble is that what you are posting, regularly, is gossip and rumour, unless you can back them up with evidence, which you seem reluctant to do.
            Put your cards on the table, and show everyone what you have.
            This is what everyone is asking Ross to do and if you can’t live by the rules you set, then you are hypocritical.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 11th 2018 @ 5:06pm
              Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

              Ben a few wrong facts but that’s ok. Believe what you want you want Ben no worries here.

        • Roar Pro

          May 11th 2018 @ 4:07pm
          anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

          I believe the event happened at the end of 2013.

          The fact it happened so long ago is testament to the degree to which Fremantle have gone in trying to protect Lyon and cover this up.

          It’s only due to dogged journalism that we found out Lyon had sexually harassed staff and was forced to pay out over $100k in exchange for her silence.

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 4:15pm
            AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

            They never covered it up!

            From my understanding – they settled with the lady, the AFL investigated that settlement, the lady left Freo and then all sorts of confidentiality rules meant the details weren’t mean for our eyes. I’m not the biggest fan of doing it that way either, but that’s what happens.

            It’s only because of Australia’s media and their fetish for scandal that we’re in this position. I hate that Lyon did that, and I’m not a fan that it took this long to come out.

            But I’m not going to sit around demanding his resignation bound on the limited facts that we know and the fact that the media believes they’re some sort of moral compass based on their own sensationalised view of an incident.

            • Roar Pro

              May 11th 2018 @ 4:30pm
              anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:30pm | ! Report

              From my understanding – they settled with the lady, the AFL investigated that settlement, the lady left Freo and then all sorts of confidentiality rules meant the details weren’t mean for our eyes. I’m not the biggest fan of doing it that way either, but that’s what happens.

              You’re getting sidetracked by the details of the case. You’re giving Lyon and Fremantle a pass mark based on whether they followed the correct legal processes and met their legal obligations.

              You’re confusing legality and morality/ethics.

              The world is full of weasely people who do wrong, go to court and are found not guilty on a technicality or because there is not enough evidence to prosecute. Or maybe an NDA is signed.

              Legally they are in the clear. That is all. They are innocent in the eyes of the law only.

              Ethically you can’t tolerate a senior person saying things like this to junior employees.

              Legally they are entitled to keep Lyon employed.

              Ethically — shame on them.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:44pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

                All very true.

                But morally, it isn’t in my nature to write off a man for one reported incident, that has been dragged through the media and one in which everyone has a million and one opinions on it.

                I understand this is frustrating, and the whole scenario is a bad one, no doubt. Lyon himself has asked anyone else who feels aggrieved to come forward. If there suddenly becomes a deluge of allegations, my opinion might change.

                But right now, whilst I understand the concerns, I’m confident that Lyon is still fit to coach the team at the moment. Sue me for that if you want.

              • Roar Pro

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:48pm
                anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                As I said before:

                Just the onfield problems alone are enough of a reason to consider moving him along.

                But then you throw in sexual harassment settled through a 6 figure pay off, a second allegation and possibly a third to come, how he treated AFLW coach at Fremantle with contempt by walking out on her, bust up with Peter Sumich when he was assistant where Sumich was verbally abused (apparently over Sumich wanting a less stoppages based game plan), running all his assistants out of the club in the same 12 month period.

                Usually these incidents aren’t once offs. I doubt it’s the first time the perpetrator has made an obnoxious comment to a woman designed to humiliate and belittle her. As we’ve seen with many men in powerful positions who have to defend a sexual harassment of sexual assault allegation, we eventually find out that the perpetrator has a history of this type of behaviour. Management cover the behaviour and victims are intimidated into not making complaints.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:50pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:50pm | ! Report

                Ethically, shouldn’t you want to know all the facts before passing judgement? You know, facts that aren’t “facts” cobbled together by joining the dots (in your already jaundiced mind).

              • Roar Pro

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:53pm
                anon said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

                Ethically, shouldn’t you want to know all the facts before passing judgement? You know, facts that aren’t “facts” cobbled together by joining the dots (in your already jaundiced mind).

                It’s convenient that Ross signed a non-disclosure agreement…

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 4:58pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

                Just the onfield problems alone are enough of a reason to consider moving him along.

                Lol.

                But then you throw in sexual harassment settled through a 6 figure pay off,

                Correct in the settlement, but that figure has never been confirmed.

                a second allegation

                That has been completely rescinded by the complainant.

                possibly a third to come

                That’s made up entirely by you I believe.

                how he treated AFLW coach at Fremantle with contempt by walking out on her

                Media speculation, never proved.

                bust up with Peter Sumich when he was assistant where Sumich was verbally abused (apparently over Sumich wanting a less stoppages based game plan)

                Never heard this one before. I’d love to know where you pulled this from, given FoxFooty’s report that Sumich has lined up to “replace” Lyon. One of you is lying, then. Probably both.

                running all his assistants out of the club in the same 12 month period.

                That’s a massively exaggerated statement. Most left on their own accord.

              • Roar Guru

                May 11th 2018 @ 5:19pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

                Firstly anon, why do you feel the need to copy a post into yours directly below? Maybe to create some sort of impression that you’re providing an actual counter?

                Those sort of confidentiality agreements are quite standard practice, to avoid protracted and more expensive legal cases, where’s there’s a lot of conjecture and try head off fodder for souped up rumour mongering, and irrational judgement rushing.

                The AFL Integrity unit investigated the claims, were privy to the specifics, provided the all clear after speaking to all parties.

    • Roar Guru

      May 11th 2018 @ 3:38pm
      Peter the Scribe said | May 11th 2018 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

      Ross has the complete and full support of the board. I remember similar words about Ratten, Voss, Nield, Sanderson…..and Nathan Buckley who did survive, perhaps Ross will too. Interested in Freo fans thoughts on it all. AD? Don Freo?

      • Roar Guru

        May 11th 2018 @ 4:17pm
        AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

        He has the confidence of the board. Thank god our board isn’t as reactionary as the media is, and has the patience to sit down, formulate a response and admit their wrongs.

        The footy club should never make decisions based on what the media is demanding.

        • Roar Guru

          May 11th 2018 @ 4:39pm
          Peter the Scribe said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

          You know what the one incident was reported though AD. If he said that comment as reported to the young lady, as a Freo fan do you still want him as your coach? Yes or No, simple question, no fence sitting. Forget this other seemingly made up incident, I’m talking about the one reported, do you want him to stay or go? ( no need to repeat the actual words he said to the young lady in here)

          • Roar Guru

            May 11th 2018 @ 4:47pm
            AdelaideDocker said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:47pm | ! Report

            Yes. Stay. However you want me to put it, I’m not too fazed by this.

            Give me legitimate, non sensationalised evidence, or a long list of allegations, and I’ll be concerned. But for the moment, I’m more than happy to turn back to the football.

      • May 11th 2018 @ 5:09pm
        Johnno said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

        Yes…he has the boards full support. They are really dangerous words from past experiences. In so many cases it was code for pack your bags.

        I am a Freo supporter.

        Don’t like at all what Ross is accused of saying…do not condone it one bit.’ It doesn’t matter who said it, it is not right.
        All this media hype, I feel for the lady and for family and for Ross…depends what is true.
        I don’t believe that clubs and the AFL would turn a blind eye…….they are better than that.
        But the truth is I don’t know what happened. And why they all agreed to the course they took.

        But yes, would much prefer this didn’t happen for every ones sake. And I wouldn’t be concerned if Sumich replaced Lyon as what is being rumoured.

      • May 11th 2018 @ 11:28pm
        Don Freo said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:28pm | ! Report

        It is a non issue. Whatever it was, it was dealt with when it happened. That is so many seasons ago…before he signed his current contract. In the current #metoo climate, if there was anything of substance, the purported victim would be public and a confidentiality agreement would not be binding.

        Everyone at Freo loves him and the present and the future is bubbling.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 11th 2018 @ 11:30pm
          Mattician6x6 said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:30pm | ! Report

          What is the #metoo environment don?

          • May 12th 2018 @ 12:29am
            Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:29am | ! Report

            My goodness! Where have you been?

            Did you not hear about the last lot of BAFTA Awards and Academy Awards? Have you not heard of Harvey Weinstein? Yet you try to run a conversation on the topic? No wonder you have been so obtuse.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 12th 2018 @ 12:55am
              Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:55am | ! Report

              No don I want you to expand on how this relates, to the eye it does read that you’re implying the young lady who was victimized only came forward due to the #metoo movement, she was devalued enough by the incident so come on the victim blame Ross did no wrong nature of that post is disturbing.

              • May 12th 2018 @ 1:14am
                Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 1:14am | ! Report

                No one who can read could make that implication. Try again.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 1:26am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 1:26am | ! Report

                Nice try, but thanks for proving the point that you lower to petty insults immediately if you don’t approve of what someone thinks.

              • Roar Guru

                May 12th 2018 @ 2:24am
                AdelaideDocker said | May 12th 2018 @ 2:24am | ! Report

                @Don

                Than explain what you meant! You’re starting to get a notoriety in my mind for being brash and abrasive against those with other opinions.

                @Mattican

                I don’t believe Don was trying to make that implication, Matti.

                From my perspective he was saying that in the contemporary climate, there tends to be a lot more context from victims than there historically has been. There’s probably a lot more media coverage or public sympathy towards victims than there has been, so they’re more comfortable coming out in public, releasing a statement or something of the like.

                It’s not to lessen the seriousness or genuineness of the Lyon allegations, but in this case the victim has been notably silent. That might be because of the previously reached settlement, or perhaps she is uncomfortable with the attention the saga is getting – really, we should never try and presume what she might be feeling or wanting to do.

                Don’s point is valid, however. He might’ve worded it poorly, but this case appears to be an outlier amongst many contemporary similar cases.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 3:14am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 3:14am | ! Report

                AD-You’re right and yes it does have some validity but was worded poorly, I do need correct the line don wrote that it was dealt with at the time tl because it seems/allegedly was quite traumatic and continued to be brought up by colleagues as a joke which is pretty horrendous workplace bullying if true, also it was not settled till Feb this year, I know you know these things mate so not being a know it all 🙂 personally when it comes time frame from incident to the legal settlement I wouldn’t be surprised if she suffered PTSD after and thru counselling was able to muster the courage to confront it, pretty brave yo take on a highly revered organization like freo. That’s just my assumption which feel free to disagree with 🙂

              • May 12th 2018 @ 9:48am
                Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 9:48am | ! Report

                You can lighten up. After the Derby, Matti proved himself to be one of those….(fill in the missing spaces).

                From that time on, he is worth only one kind of response. There’s a few like that and you can see who they are. They have no interest in discussion, just abuse. I always win those battles.

                Just scroll past it if it offends you.

              • May 12th 2018 @ 9:51am
                Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

                It was not ‘worded poorly’ at all and, no, that’s not what I meant.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 8:57pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

                Don again you try and again you come up short, you prove to me time and time again to be shallow in analysis and quite a poor reflection to ppl of what a freo fan is.

    • May 11th 2018 @ 4:11pm
      Aligee said | May 11th 2018 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

      I believe that the previous President left Freo because of the Ross Lyon contract extension.

      • May 11th 2018 @ 11:30pm
        Don Freo said | May 11th 2018 @ 11:30pm | ! Report

        No. He left because he was regenerating and rebranding his business from Ric Hart discount electrical to an up market Winning Appliances.

        Some of the things that people make up!

        • Roar Rookie

          May 12th 2018 @ 12:59am
          Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:59am | ! Report

          Don that upgrade in business happened because hart sold ric hart to a Hong Kong conglomerate, they asked him to continue doing ads as he has been associated to electric retail for decades, the sale happened while he was involved at freo still.

          • May 12th 2018 @ 1:19am
            Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 1:19am | ! Report

            That’s what I said. It was a significant business transaction. People are allowed to quit after serving a club in a voluntary capacity.

            What a ridiculous suggestion to think that the man in charge of a club appointing a coach for the next 5 years didn’t get his way. Probably your dumbest in the 2 weeks since you have gone off the rails.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 12th 2018 @ 1:29am
              Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 1:29am | ! Report

              Wowsers that is some story as you said nothing of the sort, I made no suggestion just corrected you that he had sold the business and wasn’t regenerating it as you stated.
              And again you proved the point that you make petty remarks about people as soon as they dare disagree or correct you. You aren’t going to well atm 😉

              • May 12th 2018 @ 10:05am
                Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 10:05am | ! Report

                Only those who are silly or just want arguments. You have worked hard for that treatment in the past 2 weeks.

                If you don’t like it, change your manner and your tone. There are many others I can converse with.

                Otherwise, just scroll past.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 12th 2018 @ 9:00pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 12th 2018 @ 9:00pm | ! Report

                Don no wonder the other freo fans in here find you embarrassing and fans of other clubs tend to shake their head at your ridiculous comments and act.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 12:57am
                Don Freo said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:57am | ! Report

                How empty headed can you be? What Freo fan would be embarrassed by what I say? Not one of them on this site knows who I am. If they are embarrassed by me, well, that’s just weird!

                Would their public standing be diminished by what I write? Maybe you meant to say something else.

                You, however, are embarrassing yourself.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 13th 2018 @ 1:41am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:41am | ! Report

                Nice try don not quite worthy of a golf clap but your posts are irritating like a dose of the clap.
                You don’t possess much in your wheelhouse so if I’m embarrassing myself you should look in the mirror and be truly mortified at your inability to produce anything but contrary tripe, well dine well done.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 1:56am
                Don Freo said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:56am | ! Report

                Ah! The old ‘look in the mirror’ one. How do you think of them?

              • Roar Rookie

                May 13th 2018 @ 2:12am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:12am | ! Report

                Quite easily, anyways you’re quite boring and mindlessly repetitive so I’ll be nice and let you have the last word just make sure it comes with your usual low brow and quite bluntly classless insults or bring the I do no wrong Christian styled meek character you also like to play. I promise I won’t actually read the the response but as the better man I will allow you your petty Indulgence’s 😉 nighty night

              • May 13th 2018 @ 9:37am
                Don Freo said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:37am | ! Report

                Boring? Yet you continue to look for, and read, what I say and then scroll to the comment to write a response having the last word while sayong you are leaving the last word to me.

                Have you thought that one through?

                Anyway, having said you won’t read this…and won’t respond…I’ll bet you do!

              • May 13th 2018 @ 12:23pm
                Mitcher said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

                Don absolutely eviscerated by Matti on this one.

    • May 11th 2018 @ 5:06pm
      Jonboy said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

      A Christmas party ,bubbling boobs, 80,000 grand Ross still has a job.Huge over reaction.

      • Roar Guru

        May 11th 2018 @ 5:11pm
        Peter the Scribe said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

        I think the term was “budding” Jonboy and nowadays everyone knows that kind of comment is totally unacceptable for anyone to make and a whole lot worse from someone in a position of power. It’s a high profile football club in 2018 not one of those W.A. mining companies from the 80’s. Not saying he should be booted out but that the whole thing has turned into a circus.

        • May 12th 2018 @ 9:53am
          Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

          Only on social media. A couple of journos are trying to stoke a fire but the embers have well and truly gone out…years ago.

    • May 11th 2018 @ 5:24pm
      Aligee said | May 11th 2018 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

      Sumich is a Sth Freo boy, very good repore with young teams he has coached ( WA under 18’s and also teams to even NZ i believe)

      The club needs a fresh direction whilst Fife is still young enough.

      Lyon is a one trick pony it appears.

      • May 12th 2018 @ 12:31am
        Don Freo said | May 12th 2018 @ 12:31am | ! Report

        Rapport.

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