Kiwi Ben O’Keeffe must have his rugby refereeing ticket shredded

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    With the Waratahs leading 29-nil over the Crusaders by playing brilliant rugby in Christchurch yesterday, Kiwi referee Ben O’Keeffe struck for the first time.

    With just five minutes left in the first half, Crusader Joe Moody elbowed Waratah centre Kurtley Beale in the throat without the ball that took Beale out of the play.

    Moody accepted the return pass to score under the post, and it was converted.

    Moody’s illegal and dangerous play was so blatant right in from of O’Keeffe, it had to be a red card.

    No, O’Keeffe awarded the try, but Moody will be hauled into the judiciary and is certain to cop a lengthy holiday.

    Inept refereeing.

    O’Keeffe struck again binning Waratah halfback Nick Phipps, as the Crusaders scored two more tries to trail 19-29 at the break.

    But O’Keeffe wasn’t done, not by a long shot.

    A spate of penalties went the Crusaders way in the second half, Waratahs winger Tagele Naiyaravoro was binned and O’Keeffe awarded a penalty try to the home side.

    In was one-way refereeing traffic, all O’Keeffe did for most of the half was look at the Waratahs.

    To be fair, he also awarded the Waratahs two very kickable penalties but Bernard Foley’s trusty boot was back in the shed – both attempts were very ordinary.

    Either one would have given the Waratahs a meritorious win against all odds.

    But then the Moody try also cost the Waratahs victory – the men in blue were dudded.

    Now I have got rid of the refereeing rubbish, the Waratahs can feel very proud of the way they rattled up 29 points at a point a minute against the best side in the tournament, with Israel Folau, Kurtley Beale, Curtis Rona and Naiyaravoro at their exciting best.

    The tries sent a shiver down the spine, proving the Waratahs can play great rugby once they set their mind to it.

    It’ll come as no surprise Folau and Beale were the catalysts.

    Those who didn’t see the game could be forgiven for asking how on earth could the Waratahs lead 29-nil, and lose?

    As Roarers know only too well, I have been relentless on the Waratahs’ dreadful play this season.

    But last night wasn’t the Waratahs’ fault.

    They were so heavily pinged out of the game by O’Keeffe, the Crusaders are such a top side and the combination was too hard to overcome.

    The Crusaders won 31-29, but they know they didn’t deserve the chocolates.

    And Ben O’Keeffe doesn’t deserve another game of rugby.

    David Lord
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    David Lord was deeply involved in two of the biggest sporting stories - World Series Cricket in 1977 and professional rugby in 1983. After managing Jeff Thomson and Viv Richards during WSC, in 1983 David signed 208 of the best rugby players from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France to play an international pro circuit. The concept didn't get off the ground, but it did force the IRB to get cracking and bring in the World Rugby Cup, now one of the world's great sporting spectacles

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    • May 13th 2018 @ 9:54am
      AGbanger said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

      +1 – Mounga jumps over Beales limp body to make the line break from which the original offender scores. One of the most blatant and dirty acts I have ever seen on a rugby field in 35 years..
      Crusaders won by cheating.

      • Roar Guru

        May 13th 2018 @ 10:32am
        Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:32am | ! Report

        A forearm which made initial contact to the chest is the most blatant and dirty acts you’ve ever seen on the rugby field?

        Take it you didn’t watch Kepu in the RWC final then?

        • May 13th 2018 @ 10:49am
          Antipodean said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:49am | ! Report

          the kiwi trolls always ready to snap. We are talking of one specific game, don’t bring back past episodes trying to excuse the partisan referee.

          • Roar Guru

            May 13th 2018 @ 11:03am
            Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:03am | ! Report

            Would you state that a forearm that made initial contact to the chest is the most blatant and dirty acts you’ve ever seen on the rugby field?

            • May 13th 2018 @ 11:15am
              bigbaz said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:15am | ! Report

              No that honour belongs equally to a Kiwi lock and a Kiwi prop

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 11:19am
                Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:19am | ! Report

                Exactly, last night was blown out of proportion, yellow card for taking someone out off the ball, initial contact was made on the chest.

                It’s being used as an excuse for losing after leading 29-0

              • May 13th 2018 @ 11:33am
                Jameswm said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:33am | ! Report

                But the try wouldn’t have been scored?

              • May 13th 2018 @ 9:37pm
                Brian George said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:37pm | ! Report

                Well your forearm to the chest bought him 4 weeks on the sidelines old mate.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 4:26pm
                Cuw said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

                Im just wondering

                early in the match there was a huge swinging arm from Waratah player at a Crusaders player.

                not sure if it made contact but saw it from one of the touchline cameras.

                it was never replayed – but maybe there are clips of it.

                how come no one is interested init?

            • Roar Pro

              May 13th 2018 @ 11:48am
              Melburnian said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:48am | ! Report

              Except it wasn’t to the chest was it, unless of course you believe a person’s head sits directly atop their shoulders.. It was to the throat, with force, off the ball and importantly with the elbow end of the forearm. Contravention of Law 9.12 at the very least. Its not the dirtiest thing I’ve even seen on a Rugby field but it was a pretty clear red card offence.

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 11:52am
                PeterK said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:52am | ! Report

                it looks like to the chest initially and then slides up with the elbow cocked.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 11:53am
                Jerry said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                https://i.imgur.com/GFR6OZu.png

                I know Beale’s had some weight problems in this time, but he’s never had a big old wobbly throat that goes down that far….

              • May 13th 2018 @ 11:56am
                Cynical Play said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:56am | ! Report

                Not like it was Carozza’s nose or anything

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 11:53am
                Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                https://imgur.com/a/FaN702W

                Not sure where Kurtleys throat is

              • May 13th 2018 @ 11:54am
                Jerry said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:54am | ! Report

                I think that’s right Peter – the initial contact is to the chest, with some incidental contact afterwards. Yellow at most.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 4:36pm
                Jameswm said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

                Seriously? Yellow at most?

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 11:59am
                PeterK said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:59am | ! Report

                Jerry – Not sure YC at most because he was using a cocked elbow.
                Take that back its OKeefe , a penalty at most, but with other refs it could be a red card.

                That is probably why it has been cited.

                I agree he may not get suspended but then again he may.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 12:03pm
                Jerry said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

                He hit with the forearm to the chest. That’s the initial contact and no ref is gonna give a red for incidental contact after the initial hit, IMO.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 12:47pm
                Dave_S said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

                Point of contact is HIGH on the chest, almost inevitable that it will go upwards from there by the simple mechanics of it all. Red card.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 6:54pm
                Jameswm said | May 13th 2018 @ 6:54pm | ! Report

                At best where chest meets throat. And with the elbow. Not yellow at worst. 2 weeks at best.

                Incidental?

                What was Loe on Carozza? Maybe a penalty because forearm only?

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 12:38pm
                Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

                https://imgur.com/8oc34D5

                I don’t think his elbow is cocked, I think based on this pic he’s got his fist further forward than his elbow and therefore using his forearm.

                I don’t think it is a red card, but I do think they’ll suspend him.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 4:43pm
                Jameswm said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:43pm | ! Report

                Not cocked? It’s bent and hitting at the point of the elbow. What does cocked mean?

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 12:43pm
                PeterK said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

                when it slides up into the neck it looked like it was cocked , the elbow is what makes contact to the neck not the forarm

                so agree forearm to the chest then the elbow swings up and into the neck

              • May 13th 2018 @ 12:52pm
                timber said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                Looks similar to Bismarck’s forearm to Messam for which he received a yellow.
                Can’t see it as a red, contacts with the upper chest\collar bone area, maybe throat, but then Bismarck’s was to the throat of Messam.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 4:11pm
                soapit said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

                jerry no ref will give a red for that if the guy has the ball, reckon youd get a few who’d give it for a player running through in an offside position

              • May 13th 2018 @ 6:01pm
                Andy said | May 13th 2018 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

                What like a decoy runner?

              • Roar Rookie

                May 13th 2018 @ 6:57pm
                Kirky said | May 13th 2018 @ 6:57pm | ! Report

                Melburnian! ~ No it wasn’t to the chest, it was to the head and just as well it missed else he’d have got the red card and the Crusaders would put another 50 points on!

              • Roar Rookie

                May 13th 2018 @ 7:27pm
                Kirky said | May 13th 2018 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

                Seeing as All Black Joe is not known as a grubby player I have no doubt it wasn’t done on purpose as his forearm slipped up from the chest area and Kurtley copped it on the chin!

                The worst part of this episode though was the real Culprits, the Referee and the two Touchies plus the TMO who all either missed it or were afraid to call it or just sheer bad Refereeing, all end up squeaky clean!

                Worry not all you disgruntled Waratah fans, Moody will get a couple of weeks off just to keep you happy, but I feel sorry for us on this Rugby Blog site of the Roar, you’ll go on, and on, and on, and on, some more! ~ Won’t change the score though!

                I see a few posts on here citing Richard Loe, Colin Meads R.I.P, from around 30 0r more years ago, some of you guys wouldn’t be born yet to even know about those episodes! Once again the scores never changed!

                A lot said also on the biased Refereeing, (dangerous territory), because there is no way was that was a bias based Refereeing game, it was stink Refereeing, ~ as you all know, all Refereeing at the moment is inherently bad as the ridiculous Laws are so open to different interpretation by each Referee, ~ they all achieve the same thing but interpret it differently!

                The Waratahs were architects of their own demise because any team that was up by the score they were then cough it all up plus, deserves to get beaten and the only real honest try was the first one and one by intercept by that big dude on the wing who loves playing in the mid field, (should be in the front row), ~ Folaus try was after he took the ball about four to five metres in front, once again it wasn’t called by any of the adjudication panel for this game!

                Joe Moody will get a couple of weeks off, but the Referee and his Offsiders should also be taken to task, not for parking themselves on one team, but for sheer rubbish officiating, they were dreadful!

              • May 13th 2018 @ 8:08pm
                Scott said | May 13th 2018 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

                For anyone who thinks it hits the chest first please go see an optometrist before driving to work tomorrow

              • May 14th 2018 @ 4:21am
                soapit said | May 14th 2018 @ 4:21am | ! Report

                i dont get the defence based on it hitting his chest. its and extremely illegal act and to me he was clearly aiming high. it might save him a few weeks that he missed perhaps.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 2:01pm
                Jibba jabba said | May 14th 2018 @ 2:01pm | ! Report

                Beale was attempting to take out Mr Moody without the ball and poor Mr Moody was just defending himself…

            • May 14th 2018 @ 10:47am
              Raa said | May 14th 2018 @ 10:47am | ! Report

              Mate watch the footage the initial contact is right on the chin

          • May 13th 2018 @ 11:16am
            Mapu said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:16am | ! Report

            hey egg,he said last 35 years.

          • May 13th 2018 @ 4:57pm
            Jacko said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

            Anti he said the last 35 years so hardly talking about 1 game is he…Re-set your anti kiwi stance and concentrate on whats written.

          • May 14th 2018 @ 8:47am
            ClarkeG said | May 14th 2018 @ 8:47am | ! Report

            Well actually the original poster is talking 35 years worth of games – just saying.

        • May 13th 2018 @ 11:17am
          Mapu said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:17am | ! Report

          Kepu was lucky last night too with a high tackle.

          • May 13th 2018 @ 12:58pm
            Drongo said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

            Moody’s was a dirty dog act and if you defend it you are a dirty dog as well.

            • May 13th 2018 @ 1:11pm
              Jerry said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

              • May 13th 2018 @ 1:19pm
                Drongo said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                Very good.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 2:41pm
                Campbell Watts said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

                LOVE IT JERRY!

                Best come-back for ages!

            • May 13th 2018 @ 1:14pm
              Eeben Barlow said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

              But Henagen is allowed to punch a player? And Kepu allowed to (twice) get away with head high contact to players heads? So by your standard three dog acts, perpetrated by two players in the Waratards team. Chockers and Whiners. Yeah the Ref made your clowns lose.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 4:26pm
                zenn said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

                Who is Henagen? What’s a chocker?

            • May 14th 2018 @ 2:04pm
              Jibba jabba said | May 14th 2018 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

              Beale was attempting to take out Mr Moody without the ball and poor Mr Moody was just defending himself…

          • Roar Guru

            May 13th 2018 @ 4:39pm
            Fox said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

            He was Mapu but Moody was far more cynical and I think he will get a spell on the sidelines. A momentary lapse of reason from Moody and he will pay dearly I suspect

        • May 13th 2018 @ 7:43pm
          Highlander said | May 13th 2018 @ 7:43pm | ! Report

          MOODY GETS TWO WEEKS

        • May 15th 2018 @ 3:18am
          Nova Sampson said | May 15th 2018 @ 3:18am | ! Report

          Kepu was instructed to take Dan Carter out and his raking to the face on Nehe Milner-Skudder didn’t get pulled up either. Then there’s all the cheap shots on Richie McCaw by Cooper pooper and if you go back far enough you can rake up more dirty play like fat head Kearn’s dirty tactics after the whistle…… we could go on and on.

        • May 15th 2018 @ 5:32pm
          Laurence King said | May 15th 2018 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

          To me, the forearm looks like it first made contact with the throat. The frame that is shown gives the impression that it is hitting the chest, but when in motion that is not my impression, and 4 weeks is appropriate. They took an immediate guilty plea as far as I know. I can actually understand the ref missing it, there’s a lot going on, but no such excuses for the video ref, he should be back with the under 10s next week.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 12:33pm
        Jumbo said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

        Good teams can take the ref out of the game, they obviously are not.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 1:05pm
        TN said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

        Any chance of the Tah’s building momentum was snuffed out by O’Keefe. You could argue all the momentum the Saders got was on the back of O’Keefe’s awful calls. Beale getting KING HIT by Moody right in front of O’Keefe, who then goes on to score is the worst.

        You take Moody out of the game with a red card, disallow his try – 7 seven points, + 3 points for the penalty committed right under the posts and the Tah’s win this by a mile.

        O’Keefe needs to get investigated for match fixing. He should not even be allowed to ref an under 12’s game.

        If Super 12 wants to be professional – how about neutral refs? A Kiwi ref, two Kiwi touch judges, no idea who was in the box but I would not be surprised if he was a Kiwi too.

        • Roar Guru

          May 13th 2018 @ 1:45pm
          Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

          So take the seven points off them but the reversed penalty being worth 3 points???

          Come on, not even David Lord would think Foley would get that kick 90m out….

          • May 13th 2018 @ 2:44pm
            Campbell Watts said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

            LOL! I think TN might have had a bang to the head like Beale. I guess he could kick the penalty over his own posts if he wanted – te he!

            • Roar Rookie

              May 14th 2018 @ 12:50am
              Paulo said | May 14th 2018 @ 12:50am | ! Report

              He expects Foley to kick it 90m to score the penalty, but also accuses Ben O’Keefe of maxing, when he awards to VERY kickable penalties tot he Iceman, knowing he would miss those…

              The logical fallacies in that one post made my brain itch.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 4:31pm
        Brisvegas said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

        An underperforming ref should be sacked David crikey what about underperforming players who with a 29 point lead still can’t win Congrats Tahs for being pretty competetive and making it a great spectacle. Unfortunately for Australian teams who have unwanted records that they would not want the come from behind record as well.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 4:38pm
        Noodles said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:38pm | ! Report

        There’s no credit in blaming the ref when we lose from 29-0 up. The plain fact is that our lads utterly failed to match the crusaders when they tightened up and played for front foot ball and kept it in hand. The kiwis played a terrific brand of comeback footy that gave them 31-0.
        Credit to both teams but I think the kiwis deserved the box of Whitaker’s.

        • May 13th 2018 @ 6:36pm
          JB said | May 13th 2018 @ 6:36pm | ! Report

          And Ben O’Keefe is an international referee…. I have serious fears about the standard of refereeing at the World Cup if that guy is picked up

        • May 13th 2018 @ 6:40pm
          JB said | May 13th 2018 @ 6:40pm | ! Report

          Sorry to disagree with you Noodles but, if Moody’s try is disallowed, as it should have been, Moody is sent off, as he should have, I am not sure the Crusaders scored three tries in quick succession. The Crusaders are a terrific team but, on Saturday, they can thank the ref for their victory.

          • May 14th 2018 @ 12:34am
            moniano said | May 14th 2018 @ 12:34am | ! Report

            @JB, sum it well buddy! Good job!

            • Roar Rookie

              May 14th 2018 @ 7:03am
              Paulo said | May 14th 2018 @ 7:03am | ! Report

              But that’s the thing, it was so early it’s hard to say what might have happened. The Waratahs were put on their feet after 30mins, no pentagram or Red card changes that. And some teams will lift above themselves when are man down, especially a Red. We sub a back off and bring in a front row replacement out scrum is still working as normal. Watch the first BIL v AB game if you think a Red card is a free win. The Crusaders are a lot closer to the ABs than the Tahs are to the BILs.

              My point it is, yes it was a nasty hit, and he has copped two weeks due to pleading guilty and clean enough record. Yes the ref team all missed it. To be honest I missed it two, I thought it was a dummy runner collision that happens many times a game. I thought Beale got done by defence and made a poor decision but shouldn’t have been hit like that. It isn’t a conspiracy as DL would have us believe. It did impact the game, but to say without doubt the Tahs win based on that one decision so far out from full time is a scapegoat arguement that absolves the Tahs from responsibility of screwing it up themselves. 29-up, and then not a point scored. That’s a choke, and trust me, as an avid AB supporter, I know a choke when I see one.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 8:19am
                bazza said | May 14th 2018 @ 8:19am | ! Report

                A red card changes everything losing a player in attack and defense makes the other players work harder. It also easier to mark a team with one less back as they would of put another forward on due to the scrums.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 14th 2018 @ 9:47am
                Paulo said | May 14th 2018 @ 9:47am | ! Report

                Agreed, but, it doesn’t mean the Tahs win as a certainty, which is what a lot of people a saying, otherwise why bother playing out the game at all. Red card and done. Game over. Because teams DO win after Red cards. And when you consider it is the Crusaders, arguably the best super team in the comp, it would be hard to write them off. We just dont know what would have happened. Maybe another front rower is injured and the scams become non contested? Who knows.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 7:42pm
        Highlander said | May 13th 2018 @ 7:42pm | ! Report

        Moody got two weeks

      • May 14th 2018 @ 1:59pm
        Jibba jabba said | May 14th 2018 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

        Beale was attempting to take out Mr Moody without the ball and poor Mr Moody was just defending himself…

    • Roar Guru

      May 13th 2018 @ 9:55am
      Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:55am | ! Report

      Yeah and what about the time the ref didn’t give Foley another shot at goal !! Twice the ref just let him miss…and he did nothing! What happened to double lives??!

      But Lordy could be on to something. 15 on 14 could really even this compition up.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 10:10am
        Mr Hollywood said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:10am | ! Report

        Personally I find 15 men against 14 boys a little unfair. NZ teams should instantly be reduced to 14.

        From Hollywood

      • May 13th 2018 @ 10:12am
        Reverse Wheel said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:12am | ! Report

        Comments like this make you look like a clown. The ref was horribly one sided and made several absolute clangers that decided the game. It’s not even up for debate, as evidenced by the citing commissioner this morning managing to spot what the 4 kiwi officials spectacularly managed to miss.

        • May 13th 2018 @ 12:11pm
          Mr Hollywood said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

          Nothing wrong with clowns, Reverse. The problem at the moment is the Australian sides are looking like unprofessional clowns. There’s a circus just outside of town where I live, and I’ve always said the circus outfit make the Wallabies look like a bunch of amateurs!

        • May 13th 2018 @ 2:27pm
          Johnny Boy said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

          What are you thoughts on Simmons’ punch being missed?

          • Roar Guru

            May 13th 2018 @ 2:48pm
            Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

            Indeed. Some things get missed. I accept that. Some love to blame and be the victim. Up 29-0 and then screaming it’s so unfair!! Oh…what cry babies 😭

      • May 13th 2018 @ 11:11am
        cinque said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:11am | ! Report

        Jokerman, you mean for Todd’s hand in the ruck, or the tip tackle? That last was too tough for Foley. Maybe Beale, if his studs were long enough. They would have taken the lineout I think.

        • Roar Guru

          May 13th 2018 @ 12:22pm
          Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

          29 points given out of generosity, and you have to take it, cinque!

          “Um can we have another shot at goal? A free kick at death? Arh…take a man off? Please!! Please!!! I’m begging you ref?!? Just give as a dam win!!!”

          Well, well…sorry it doesn’t work that way.

          Great game huh?! Yeah loved it cuz. Truely. Sorry about the loss for you. The ending was cool. I know you want a penalty at the death for a technicality, but life’s not always like that. Often one has to be the star of their own shown, and own the moment with their brilliance.

          So Australia didn’t get the rub of the green but were still 29 points up? Uhh that’s life. A bit more introspection needed I reckon.

          • Roar Guru

            May 13th 2018 @ 12:36pm
            Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

            Great I meant and someone has to walk off as the loser. 😉 Peace

            • May 13th 2018 @ 1:02pm
              Drongo said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

              The true character of the Kiwi supporters on show for all to see. For someone who raves about karma, in reality you are a truck load of negative nasty energy, trying to get some reflected glory from your rugby teams.

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 1:38pm
                Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

                Drongo just contain the angst bro. Even better try and dissolve it.

                Oh the past of mayhem bringing up the illusion of now. Try choosing peace every moment and see how that goes ?!

                Crusaders won. Great game. Sweet as. Peace out !

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 1:43pm
                Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

                I do get a bit of glory, Drongo it’s nature of the beast. When you support the All Blacks the shine hits ya’ man !

                I understand the frustrations – 39-0. But that doesn’t mean one should blame and project their ill feelings.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 5:53pm
                Akari said | May 13th 2018 @ 5:53pm | ! Report

                I understand the frustrations – 39-0.

                You’ve either lost the plot or inadvertently joking, Jman?

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 8:33pm
                Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

                39-0 in my universe, Akari.

                I’m really unsure what paridgm you’re in.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 8:45pm
                Mr Hollywood said | May 13th 2018 @ 8:45pm | ! Report

                I suspect Akari has created an alternative realty. He has done this in a way to cope. Simply his mind can no longer handle the pain, and has created a new reality that makes him feel better. He sees the scoreline 39-0 as complete fiction.

                He believes the Australian Super teams are amazing, and have the form to prove it. He thinks the Wallabies have also had the Bledisloe cup now for four years. Yes, you can now see why Akari dips into this reality. It is quite peaceful for him. Best not to wake up for now.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 10:20pm
                Fionn said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:20pm | ! Report

                Pretty sad, Jokerman and “Hollywood”.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 12:13am
                Cal said | May 14th 2018 @ 12:13am | ! Report

                Ill second that. Not very classy

                Fyi im a kiwi supporter

              • May 14th 2018 @ 7:02am
                Mr Hollywood said | May 14th 2018 @ 7:02am | ! Report

                It’s like a sad Hollywood movie and you just can stop crying at the end eh Fionn? You will be okay. Just tell yourself ‘this too, will pass.’

                Moody was a rebel but got away. Foley got all emotional and was unable to do his chores. The ending was really cool I thought.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 10:35am
                Akari said | May 14th 2018 @ 10:35am | ! Report

                Not far from yours, Jokerman, but Mr Hollywood should get out of his virtual reality world and breathe some fresh air for a change.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 10:59am
                Fionn said | May 14th 2018 @ 10:59am | ! Report

                Akari, I suspect Jokerman and “Hollywood” are the same person. They only ever show up as a pair, and they’re always in perfect tandem with what they have to say.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 12:11pm
                Akari said | May 14th 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

                Maybe Fionn except Jman likes to stir and is funny at time whereas Mr Soapstone Hollywood is rather childish and only able to keep repeating his B grade movies, err posts. Soapstone is best ignored from now on.

              • May 14th 2018 @ 12:46pm
                SP said | May 14th 2018 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

                “I suspect Jokerman and “Hollywood” are the same person.”

                If you take notice, they always post one after the other. “Mr Hollywood” always backing up the nonsense spouted by the other joker.
                Sad and pathetic.

              • May 15th 2018 @ 1:57pm
                mtiger said | May 15th 2018 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

                I am with you there Mr Drongo, Sir

          • May 13th 2018 @ 2:00pm
            Pistol Pete said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

            jokerman, didn’t you the other week claim that the lions series was a setup bu world rugby to deny the all blacks a win?

            you seem to be a lot more ‘cosmic” and “spiritual” when kiwi teams win compared to when they lose (or draw).

            • Roar Guru

              May 13th 2018 @ 2:18pm
              Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

              The Lions were a brilliant team. Add in the French refs, a red card and a dodgy decision at the end, we had a drawn series.

              There was a wave of polemical energy that came up against the All Blacks, and I did wonder where they derived from. That one decision at the end most likely changed the result. One man interfering when he had no right.

              So be it. I accept it and see it for what it is.

              This game last night you lost and the supporters blame everyone but their own team. Exactly how Cheika reacts.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 2:42pm
                Pistol Pete said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

                sounds like you are backtracking a bit from your world rugby conspiracy claims then?

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 3:05pm
                Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

                Sounds like you’re not handling the loss last night too well?

            • May 13th 2018 @ 5:10pm
              Jacko said | May 13th 2018 @ 5:10pm | ! Report

              pistol perhaps it was me talking conspiracy French reffing not Jokerman??? Facts are lovely things and the Tahs losing by reffing issues is called Karma. But of course when a Kiwi supportewr says it then its a disgrace but you Aussies can say it and its some right of redress…Your fox crew was downright embarrassing and a big bunch of sooks

              • May 13th 2018 @ 9:44pm
                Brian George said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:44pm | ! Report

                Well balanced as always Jacko, a chup on each shoulder

              • Roar Rookie

                May 14th 2018 @ 7:06am
                Paulo said | May 14th 2018 @ 7:06am | ! Report

                I was gonna say a World Chup on each shoulder, but realised we need more shoulders ; p

        • Roar Guru

          May 13th 2018 @ 2:05pm
          Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

          Sorry, Cinque you were actually serious!

          Just kidding man. ‘Tahs lost. When your team is up by 29 points and then losses it can be human habit to blame everyone but yourself.

          Blaming the ref instead of looking within, I don’t think is a progressive movement, and will continue to place the Australian teams in the same predicament. Australia will get a win eventually. But I feel this behaviour, which in a way tries to take away the glory from the Crusaders, will only fuel the NZ teams.

          • May 13th 2018 @ 2:47pm
            Dan said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:47pm | ! Report

            Tahs shouldn’t have lost after being that far ahead, but it’s more than a little galling when your side cops 2 yellow cards for nothing infringements, whilst your opposition is allowed to spear tackle players and take defenders out to score tries with apparent impunity. Rugby in Australia has become the sick man of Australian football, but it does the game no favours to have its few fans left have to watch such one sided and biased refereeing by no less than 4 home town officials.

            • May 13th 2018 @ 3:51pm
              TG said | May 13th 2018 @ 3:51pm | ! Report

              Couldn’t agree more.

            • May 13th 2018 @ 4:16pm
              Rich said | May 13th 2018 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

              Yeh agreed mate.. not sure where these dickheads get off with smoke and mirrors in the Moody incident. I’ve seen this first hand on the sporting field and applied it myself.
              He knew exactly where he was attempting to land that elbow. Initial contact with chest.. Please give me a break. Red card no doubt.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 5:43pm
                Jameswm said | May 13th 2018 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

                The citing commissioner agrees

              • May 13th 2018 @ 6:00pm
                Akari said | May 13th 2018 @ 6:00pm | ! Report

                It’s a bit ‘Rich’ to claim you know Moody’s intent.

                I didn’t see the incident until it was replayed during the post match review on Foxtel.

                It looks bad even if the initial contact was on the chest. I won’t be surprised if Moody is out from 2-6 weeks.

              • May 13th 2018 @ 7:14pm
                Rich said | May 13th 2018 @ 7:14pm | ! Report

                Funny Akari like that one..

                You’re right mate, I shouldn’t claim to know his intent.
                But there’s still no doubt in my mind he was completely in control and hit the bulls-eye.

            • Roar Guru

              May 13th 2018 @ 9:01pm
              Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:01pm | ! Report

              Just saw the replay with Moody. What’s wrong with that?! It was a brilliant move!

              Haha A bit of wrestling mixed into rugby. Not to mention a touch of Harry Potters invisible jacket.

              It’s quite funny! I can see why the Australians are annoyed: awesome wrestling manoeuvre (very illegal). It creates a try, and to make it worst he scores it! What? The villain does this?!! Quite the Harry Potter magic, or was it the other guy who’s name cannot be said…??

              Big moment that wasn’t seen. Oh well, you still had 40 minutes to move forward…but then life changed huh? Yes, yeah it did. Changed on ya’. 😉

              • Roar Guru

                May 13th 2018 @ 9:04pm
                Jokerman said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

                Anywayz Aussi Roarers, you have my sympathies.

            • May 14th 2018 @ 2:10pm
              Jibba jabba said | May 14th 2018 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

              Beale was attempting to take out Mr Moody without the ball and poor Mr Moody was just defending himself…

          • May 13th 2018 @ 8:20pm
            Scott said | May 13th 2018 @ 8:20pm | ! Report

            I’m confused Waratah fans shouldn’t blame the refs but should look within yet the All Blacks didn’t win because of the refs. Aren’t they the same situation with different expectation so on your part? If you’re good enough the refs don’t matter enough for you to not win

    • Roar Pro

      May 13th 2018 @ 9:55am
      kesmcc said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:55am | ! Report

      Did Craig Joubert have his ticket shredded after gifting the tahs the SR championship or getting the wallabies past Scotland in the WC??
      I think not.
      Unfortunately o’keefe missed the Moody incident but it’s a fast moving game and things are missed every week.
      He’s been cited and will miss games.
      It’s over, move on.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 10:35am
        Highlander said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:35am | ! Report

        Highlanders had O’Keefe at home round 9 vs Brumbies

        12-2 penalty count against us in a game we won by over 25 points, horrible performance – he’s just not very good but not a whole lot of home town bias that day.

        • May 13th 2018 @ 10:42am
          double agent said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          O’Keefe has had howlers all year.

        • Roar Pro

          May 13th 2018 @ 10:46am
          kesmcc said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:46am | ! Report

          Absolutely. They have bad days just like everyone else.
          Let’s just remember when kiwi teams could t buy a win when Steve Walsh was reffing. Not much outrage coming out of aus then was there (and yes I know he was kiwi).

          • May 13th 2018 @ 11:18am
            Mapu said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:18am | ! Report

            Worst ref ever

      • May 13th 2018 @ 10:41am
        double agent said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:41am | ! Report

        How did the TMO miss it?

        • May 13th 2018 @ 5:45pm
          Jameswm said | May 13th 2018 @ 5:45pm | ! Report

          You needed the local broadcaster to play it over and over. Not happening when the locals committed the foul.

          But why weren’t the Tahs in the refs ear?

          • May 14th 2018 @ 11:51am
            Akari said | May 14th 2018 @ 11:51am | ! Report

            Perhaps, not too far from yours, Jman.

            However Mr Soapstone Hollywood should stop repeating his B grade movies played by B grade actors with him in the lead role and directorship.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 10:55am
        Antipodean said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:55am | ! Report

        Here we go, one more (same troll under different name) updating us on past episodes. Wake up buddy we are talking of kiwi referee O’Keefe onslaught on Waratahs

        • Roar Guru

          May 13th 2018 @ 11:32am
          Kane said | May 13th 2018 @ 11:32am | ! Report

          Who was the other troll you mention?

        • May 13th 2018 @ 5:13pm
          Jacko said | May 13th 2018 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

          Antipodian wake up BUDDY Foley misses 2 simple kicks to lose the match , but lets blame the kiwi’s eh?

          • May 13th 2018 @ 8:14pm
            double agent said | May 13th 2018 @ 8:14pm | ! Report

            40+ out is never simple.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 7:05pm
        Tom said | May 13th 2018 @ 7:05pm | ! Report

        Why is it that Crusaders’ fans are so quick to forget the Nadolo ‘try’ just after half time where he clearly had a foot in touch? And let’s not forget, Joubert had to make a decision live, Ayoub had plenty of replays and still came up with an absolute clanger. If that try wasn’t given, the McCaw penalty is likely irrelevant.

        • May 14th 2018 @ 11:30am
          Clifto said | May 14th 2018 @ 11:30am | ! Report

          Amen.

          So glad this was raised. Kiwi / Crusader fans have collective amnesia about Nadolo stepping into touch.

          More convenient to bleat about Sir Rutchie being dudded by Joubert

      • May 14th 2018 @ 11:41am
        Clifto said | May 14th 2018 @ 11:41am | ! Report

        Joubert in the Scotland game gave a penalty rather than a short arm. Hardly on same scale as… well… anything

        • May 15th 2018 @ 8:03pm
          kesmcc said | May 15th 2018 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

          really?? i”d say that penalty is way more influential to the result in a world cup knock out game than the moody non decision was to a super rugby regular season game.

        • May 16th 2018 @ 7:07pm
          ThugbyFan said | May 16th 2018 @ 7:07pm | ! Report

          Clifto and Kesmcc, not this rubbish again! You blokes just don’t let up, do you! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          And the 10 odd Joubert decisions in that QF match that favoured the Scottish can be quickly forgotten as irrelevant? Two of the Scottish tries should have been disallowed, so that makes it a 5 tries to 1 victory to the WB, and yet whenever its convenient up comes another whingeing Scot or Kiwi to completely deflect from the bleeding obvious, which in this case is Ben O’Keefe is incompetent and should spend the rest of SR2018/forever just refereeing Kiwi vs Kiwi teams, or until he has shown that he can referee with both eyes open.

    • May 13th 2018 @ 9:55am
      Uk_Ozpat said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:55am | ! Report

      He’s not the only one who needs to retire!

      • May 13th 2018 @ 1:41pm
        Lion Brown said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

        Yip – well past his sell buy date.

        It’s jingoistic trash to pump the comment count – just one look at the first 50 comments of this thread can tell you exactly where this is heading

        • May 13th 2018 @ 9:47pm
          Brian George said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:47pm | ! Report

          Well done Lion, adding to the tally while complaining about it being click bait. You related to Jacko perchance?

    • May 13th 2018 @ 9:57am
      Bing said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:57am | ! Report

      With the yellow cards he did pull out it was 15 v 14 at times.

      • May 13th 2018 @ 10:13am
        Reverse Wheel said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:13am | ! Report

        16.

        • May 13th 2018 @ 10:49am
          Jacko said | May 13th 2018 @ 10:49am | ! Report

          RW comments like that make you look like a clown…So your team lost an UNLOSABLE game and your kicker missed not 1 but 2 easy kicks to win the game. Choked badly

          • May 13th 2018 @ 1:07pm
            TN said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

            Those kicks would not have come into it if the Moody try was rightly disallowed and he sent off and banned for the next 20 games for a king hit.

            • May 13th 2018 @ 1:13pm
              Old Bugger said | May 13th 2018 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

              Ouch…..!!

            • May 13th 2018 @ 2:54pm
              Campbell Watts said | May 13th 2018 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

              “king hit” LOL – Beale got straight up and continued playing after his initial Hollywood

            • May 13th 2018 @ 5:14pm
              Jacko said | May 13th 2018 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

              TN how would you or any one else …have any idea how a player being sent affects a game?

    • May 13th 2018 @ 9:59am
      Itsme said | May 13th 2018 @ 9:59am | ! Report

      YAWN ZZZZZZ

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