Hanigan out for Tahs, Foley encouraged after crucial miss

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    NSW Waratahs goalkicker Bernard Foley has received a strong endorsement after a couple of costly misses in Saturday night’s heartbreaking Super Rugby loss to the Crusaders.

    Wallabies five-eighth Foley missed a late potential game-winning 40-metre penalty goal attempt and and an easier chance earlier in the half, as the Waratahs lost by two points after leading by 29.

    NSW also suffered physical blows from that game with four forwards battling to be fit for Saturday’s home clash with the Highlanders.

    Wallabies lock-flanker Ned Hanigan will miss at least two games with a medial ligament knee injury, lock Rob Simmons has a shoulder issue and hooker Damien Fitzgerald and flanker Will Miller each copped a head knock.

    Waratahs attack coach Chris Malone is hopeful all bar Hanigan could be fit to face the Highlanders, although the extent of Simmons’ issue is not yet known.

    Malone came out strongly in support of Foley when asked if he had any concerns about the pivot’s goalkicking or if they might occasionally consider using centre Kurtley Beale.

    Foley had the competition’s second-best success rate of 87 per cent prior to last weekend.

    “I was a goalkicker myself and I know you’ll sometimes have an off day,” Malone said.

    “Obviously there were a couple of big kicks in that game that potentially could have won the game for us and Bernard himself was really disappointed in that.

    “But we’ll go away and work on the things that he didn’t do quite so well on a couple of those kicks on the weekend.

    “He’s been kicking really well, so any time there’s an option for us to take a shot at goal, it will definitely be Bernard Foley.

    “I’ve been his kicking coach now for a number of years and he’s shown us in big games that he’s got the mental capacity to nail them.”

    The Waratahs have retained the Australian conference lead going into the third of a brutal block of four successive games against New Zealand sides, but have the Melbourne Rebels breathing down their necks just one point behind.

    Malone said the Tahs weren’t shying way from the fact they had lost three straight games and there was “good steel in the team”.

    “A lot of the commentary afterwards was about us letting such a good lead slip, but one thing I would say was in order to put ourselves in that position, there was some of the best footy that we played in a long time,” he said.

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    • May 15th 2018 @ 4:20am
      MH01 said | May 15th 2018 @ 4:20am | ! Report

      Foley is fine – but has limited range .

      I only saw the last attempt , and in those cases Beale should really be considered.

      • May 15th 2018 @ 1:16pm
        RTT said | May 15th 2018 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

        Or Folau.

        Folau can hit them from 50m out!

        Little known fact but a fact nonetheless

        • May 15th 2018 @ 1:57pm
          Campbell Watts said | May 15th 2018 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

          But can he hit them between the posts? On a 70-80% success rate….

          • May 15th 2018 @ 4:02pm
            RTT said | May 15th 2018 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

            I don’t think anyone can kick from 50m at that success rate.

            • May 15th 2018 @ 4:06pm
              Fionn said | May 15th 2018 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

              Frans Steyn.

              • May 15th 2018 @ 4:59pm
                Faith said | May 15th 2018 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

                Elliott Daley

              • May 15th 2018 @ 8:45pm
                Cuw said | May 15th 2018 @ 8:45pm | ! Report

                Marcello Bosch ( Saracens ) and Boffeli.

                Curwin Bosch – easy peazy

                HOdge i think is like 50 -50.

                watch out for NZ under 20 boy Plummer – landed from 55m in Queensland , that is not rare air !!!

        • Roar Rookie

          May 16th 2018 @ 2:52pm
          piru said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

          Or Folau.

          Folau can hit them from 50m out!

          Little known fact but a fact nonetheless

          When has he ever done this?

          Can only recall one attempt and it was a miss

      • May 17th 2018 @ 7:02am
        Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:02am | ! Report

        Foley seems to crash under any pressure. Pity, that.

    • May 15th 2018 @ 4:42am
      riddler said | May 15th 2018 @ 4:42am | ! Report

      was away for the weekend down the coast and didn’t see a game..

      seems like the sand, beers and food was the right choice..

      • May 15th 2018 @ 6:20am
        Ken Catchpole’s Other Leg said | May 15th 2018 @ 6:20am | ! Report

        No Riddler, it was a great game, despite the controversy. One of the best this year at least. Don’t be put off by the sore losers and sore winners conversation since.
        One of our teams just gave it to the comp leaders at home no less, and under pressure the leopard’s spots came out.
        Crusaders had the mental strength to pull through (with a little assistance)😉

        • May 15th 2018 @ 8:48am
          Malo said | May 15th 2018 @ 8:48am | ! Report

          Agree won of the great duper games. Tahs should find a replacement for Hannigan. I thought Foley played well.

        • Roar Guru

          May 16th 2018 @ 10:51am
          Jokerman said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:51am | ! Report

          Indeed it was an awesome game. Look how much comments and passion it generated.

          29-0 up and pulled back to be anyone’s game. There was controversy. I understand the frustration at Moody being missed. It was old school thuggery. I found it funny as it seemed unusual, and something from the old days. Though I would be highly annoyed if I was in the other side of this. I do understand.

          ‘Tah’s had the chance to come back, so their destiny was placed back in their hands..it just wasn’t to be. Respectfully they didn’t take it. But look what they did at the beginning. They should be proud. Epic match.

    • May 15th 2018 @ 7:30am
      Fionn said | May 15th 2018 @ 7:30am | ! Report

      Damien Fitzgerald? Might want to edit that editors…

    • May 15th 2018 @ 7:33am
      Cynical Play said | May 15th 2018 @ 7:33am | ! Report

      Illegal entry from the side right in front of Okeefe. Took out Hannigan knee. 3-6 weeks. Cheap shot and another obvious ‘look away’ moment for the hopeless and gutless Okeefe.

      • Roar Rookie

        May 15th 2018 @ 9:45am
        Paul D said | May 15th 2018 @ 9:45am | ! Report

        Sad thing was, as you can see in the stills in the smh, where Barret shoulder charges Hanigans leg entering the side of the ruck, O’Keefe is standing right there looking directly at it. It happens unobstructed, barely 2 metres in front of him. Debatable whether Mike A enters though the gate when hitting Hanigan from the other side also.

        Despite the haters, Hanigans a big loss over the next few weeks for the Tahs.

        • May 15th 2018 @ 9:51am
          Harry said | May 15th 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

          I’d be one of those Hanigan haters Paul D but note that Hanigan has improved a lot this season and was playing really well.

          • Roar Guru

            May 15th 2018 @ 10:38am
            PeterK said | May 15th 2018 @ 10:38am | ! Report

            he has improved a lot and is now of super rugby standard but not yet test standard

            • May 15th 2018 @ 11:06am
              jameswm said | May 15th 2018 @ 11:06am | ! Report

              Correct. He lacks speed, power, strength and general impact. Decent Super player.

              Terrific guy too, so I hope he can develop. Cheika killed his reputation by continuing to pick him for tests when he clearly wasn’t up to it. I blame Cheika for that.

              • May 15th 2018 @ 11:58am
                Phil said | May 15th 2018 @ 11:58am | ! Report

                You might blame Cheika,jameswm,but he has improved out of sight with that test experience.Of course the critics are going to say you shouldn’t use the Wallabies as a training ground,but I at least give Cheika credit for knowing Hanigans’ potential.

              • Roar Guru

                May 15th 2018 @ 12:08pm
                PeterK said | May 15th 2018 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

                potential to meet super rugby standard

              • May 15th 2018 @ 12:10pm
                Fionn said | May 15th 2018 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

                Indeed it was Cheika’s doing. Just like I didn’t blame Mumm for being selected before Fardy as that was Cheika’s doing too.

              • May 15th 2018 @ 1:15pm
                jameswm said | May 15th 2018 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                Nah Phil I don’t agree he has improved out of sight. He played pretty well in Super rugby last year too, but everyone remembers the tests where he struggled.

                He still lacks pace, power, impact and strength in contact. Still falls off cleanouts. Still good in the lineout and a hard worker.

          • May 15th 2018 @ 5:39pm
            Flymiles said | May 15th 2018 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

            Ned has certainly improved since he moved to the second row over the past few games . A group of us agreeed that he must be lifting his game as the continual bagging by the Roar commentators seems to have abated.

        • May 15th 2018 @ 5:01pm
          Faith said | May 15th 2018 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

          Hanigan is a good running forward but he gets owned in close contact. Great last minute try against Stormers

          • May 15th 2018 @ 5:07pm
            Faith said | May 15th 2018 @ 5:07pm | ! Report

            That’s the difference between ABs and WBs – with the ABs when Broadhurst got rag dolled against S.A that was it. Ardie’s loose play has made him fall behind Todd. In Tests the mental edge to the physical game is everything. And that’s about domination. Look how ABs get their forwards going. Ireland are bringing the biff and bash and do you think Hanigan will be up for it …

      • May 16th 2018 @ 11:20am
        Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:20am | ! Report

        https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.724%2C$multiply_0.9669499527856469%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_76%2C$y_78/t_crop_custom/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto/28800af2833c4cc810882ca96f1dca28c404a0b6

        Is that illegal entry? It’s a ruck, not a tackle so it’s just hindmost entry required. Doesn’t look to be targeting the leg either.

        • Roar Guru

          May 16th 2018 @ 11:28am
          PeterK said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:28am | ! Report

          you have the wrong guy.

          It was Barrett on the otherside who hit his knee.

          https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/hanigan-felled-by-cheap-shot-to-miss-first-june-test-20180514-p4zf80.html

          1st picture shows barrett in front of the last feet but unknown how he got there

          3rd picture shows him driving with the shoulder no arms into his leg side on just above the knee

          • May 16th 2018 @ 12:28pm
            Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

            My mistake – but to be honest, that’s not that bad a clear out, just a bit unlucky. It looks like Hanigan got sandwiched & had nowhere to go.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 16th 2018 @ 12:41pm
              Paul D said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:41pm | ! Report

              “that’s not that bad a clear out, just a bit unlucky”

              I’ll keep that in mind next time Kepu dives shoulder first into a ruck. It’s not that bad, Jerry said so!

              • May 16th 2018 @ 12:48pm
                Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

                jerry..funnier than Seinfield.

              • May 16th 2018 @ 12:49pm
                Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

                No arms clear outs aren’t that out of the ordinary and, unless they’re high shots, they’re rarely penalised. Driving on the leg like that isn’t intrinsically dangerous unless you catch them on a bad angle or the foot is pinned. In this case, if there wasn’t another Crusader driving on him at the same time it probably wouldn’t have been noticed.

              • May 16th 2018 @ 12:53pm
                Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

                jerry is on a mission to rewrite the lookaway okeefe moments

              • Roar Rookie

                May 16th 2018 @ 12:59pm
                Paul D said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

                “unless you catch them on a bad angle “

                Which is exactly what happened because he entered from the side illegally.

                Funny how Hanigan can be sandwiched between two crusaders who both came through the gate…

              • May 16th 2018 @ 1:10pm
                Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

                Nah, I accept he came in from the side, I just think it’s an unlucky injury rather than a dirty play.

              • May 16th 2018 @ 6:01pm
                Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

                CP was on a mission to rewrite Wikipedia.

              • May 16th 2018 @ 6:11pm
                Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:11pm | ! Report

              • May 16th 2018 @ 6:40pm
                Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:40pm | ! Report

                Read the article, genius.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 16th 2018 @ 11:31am
          Paul D said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:31am | ! Report

          Edit: Yeah, as Peter said.

          Where did anyone say Mike A targeted the leg? I said it could be debatable that he entered correctly. It was Barret diving over from the side, no arms, shoulder into the leg. The SMH’s pictures show a better angle.

          https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/hanigan-felled-by-cheap-shot-to-miss-first-june-test-20180514-p4zf80.html

        • May 16th 2018 @ 12:21pm
          Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

          nice try jerry
          you defended moody too….clunk

          • May 16th 2018 @ 12:31pm
            Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

            And you carried on like Helen Lovejoy and claimed he’d get 12 weeks what with his fictitious multiple previous citings…..

            • May 16th 2018 @ 12:51pm
              Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

              never said he was cited..you just made that up

              said he had form and he does…

              “Wiki: Moody was warned for a dangerous tackle in 2016[6][7] and was yellow-carded twice in the 2016-17 international season[8] including for a spear tackle.[9]”

              your not a bush lawyer are you

            • May 16th 2018 @ 1:08pm
              Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

              Your exact words

              “Moody is a serial offender, Multiple citings”

              “Moody was cited and warned for a dangerous tackle in 2016”

            • May 16th 2018 @ 1:20pm
              Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

              Hmmm –

              Wikipedia

              “Moody was warned for a dangerous tackle in 2016 and was yellow-carded twice in the 2016-17 international season including for a spear tackle.”

              You

              “Moody was cited and warned for a dangerous tackle in 2016 and was yellow-carded twice in the 2016-17 international season including for a spear tackle.”

              You cut and pasted wiki, but inserted the bit about him being cited! Hilarious!

              • Roar Guru

                May 16th 2018 @ 1:28pm
                Ralph said | May 16th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

                Clever. Fiendishly clever.

                If that were my kid, I’d probably scold them with one hand then congratulate them for real initiative with the other.

              • Roar Guru

                May 16th 2018 @ 2:26pm
                jeznez said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

                Should have updated the Wiki before copying it!

              • Roar Rookie

                May 16th 2018 @ 2:39pm
                piru said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

                Should have updated the Wiki before copying it!

                Agreed, amateur hour

              • May 16th 2018 @ 6:13pm
                Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

                https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/joe-moody-cited/473019

                cited in 2016

                I accept your apology jerry

                I said he was cited in 2016 then continued with the exact Wiki quote

                Amateur hour Piru. Quick to jump on don’t you think

              • May 16th 2018 @ 6:42pm
                Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                So those extra words just magically appeared?

                Btw, that article is only 3 sentences, you could have actually read beyond the headline.

                “A Citing Commissioner Warning may be issued by the SANZAAR Citing Commissioner for foul play incidents that are very close to, but do not meet the Red Card threshold for citings”

              • May 16th 2018 @ 6:55pm
                Cynical Play said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

                My point is he is a thug who has form and the evidence is he has. You say he isn’t and have no argument other than to fluff the detail. Poor Jerry, even for you.

              • May 16th 2018 @ 8:21pm
                Jerry said | May 16th 2018 @ 8:21pm | ! Report

                Well that’s all well and good, but I don’t need to invent evidence to make my argument, so I think I’m still head of you….

    • Roar Rookie

      May 15th 2018 @ 7:56am
      Paul D said | May 15th 2018 @ 7:56am | ! Report

      There is something about Foley’s kicking action that just doesn’t get any range on it. Perhaps there is noting to be done about it but those missed kicks he was trying too hard and that’s where he loses his accuracy. Despite that he’s probably still got more chance of slotting it than Beale. More chance of staying on his feet also….

      It’s just the way it goes. It was the right call to go for the kick even if the range was iffy, and it was probably the right call based on other kickers in the team. He is still one of the best kickers in the comp, and the best regular kicker in Australia this year. You can’t slot them all

      • Roar Pro

        May 15th 2018 @ 10:22am
        kesmcc said | May 15th 2018 @ 10:22am | ! Report

        I agree. It looks like he doesn’t follow through enough. Especially with his kicking out of hand. Gets a good wind up but then sort of just stabs at it.
        Good punters always follow through much more.

    • Roar Guru

      May 15th 2018 @ 8:01am
      John R said | May 15th 2018 @ 8:01am | ! Report

      Ben O’Keefe.. just unbelievable.

      Hopefully the Waratahs put in a scathing review of his performance to his employers and he can get sent back to MTC.

      • May 16th 2018 @ 10:03am
        Jacko said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:03am | ! Report

        John 1 could say the same about Foley

        B Foley….just unbelievable

        Hopefully the Warratahs give him such a scathing review of his performance and he can get sent back to the Shute shield…….He obviously needs to learn his key roles

        • Roar Guru

          May 16th 2018 @ 10:40am
          John R said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:40am | ! Report

          1 could Jacko, and numerous do on a daily basis.

          • May 16th 2018 @ 10:46am
            Fionn said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:46am | ! Report

            As much as I don’t rate Foley (and let’s face it, can anyone still honestly claim to believe in the theoretical world class “Iceman”?) the fact is that there are many, many more clear alternatives to O’Keefe than to Foley.

            I don’t think we can afford to continue with Foley as flyhalf, but O’Keefe is facing more competition than Foley currently is.

            • Roar Guru

              May 16th 2018 @ 11:02am
              John R said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:02am | ! Report

              We’re in firm agreement there Fionn.

              O’Keefe’s performance was terrible, numerous egregious misses of crucial calls, and ignoring the facilities available to him to correct those mistakes, and refusing to engage the captain to hear his claims. Sorry mate, that’s part of your job.

            • May 16th 2018 @ 12:03pm
              Markus said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

              I think Iceman is the perfect analogy for Foley. Ticks all the right boxes, gives the impression of a cool head and a superior option on paper, but when push comes to shove he really isn’t up to it and needs to be bailed out by the unpredictable but far more talented Maverick.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 16th 2018 @ 2:44pm
                piru said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

                Iceman caused Goose’s death and this was never investigated

                Why is this?

              • May 16th 2018 @ 2:50pm
                Fionn said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

                Brilliant, Markus 🙂

              • May 16th 2018 @ 3:52pm
                Markus said | May 16th 2018 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

                Top Gun Board of Inquiry confirmed as the NSWRU.

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