Is Jamie Maclaren really ‘in form’?

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    Former Brisbane Roar striker Jamie Maclaren is in better form than Tim Cahill, who has played 159 minutes of football in the whole 2018-19 season.

    Cahill shouldn’t be in the squad for Russia and with the ‘Cahilltex’ theory moving into overdrive, his selection becomes even more divisive and questionable.

    I have complete faith in Bert van Marwijk and was a major supporter of his appointment (should’ve been on a full-time basis). But there was a compromise made with the selection of Cahill.

    So, the argument begins that Maclaren should’ve been chosen instead.

    I can only imagine how hard it is to select a squad of 26 (to be cut to 23), but a striker cannot be said to be ‘in form’ for scoring a hat-trick a few days before selection.

    Take away the front man’s three goals against Rangers and Maclaren has only scored five goals in 14 league games in a competition rated 26th in Europe according to UEFA club coefficients!

    Can we really say he’s in form on the back of all this? He may have deserved a place in front of the likes of Cahill, but we can’t call him in form off the back of one performance, it’s not right.

    Players like Bailey Wright and Aleksandar Susnjar should be the talking points of all the omissions, especially considering how bad we are defensively only a month out from the World Cup.

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    • May 16th 2018 @ 7:53am
      Buddy said | May 16th 2018 @ 7:53am | ! Report

      There are many shining examples across the sporting landscape where form has been ignored and class included and most commentarys finish with the old catch cry of “form is temporary, class is permanent” or something to that effect. Do you blood your youth or rely on your experienced players to get a job done – another popular dilemma and debate that keeps us busy arguing for many a long hour. The NSW police advise “you need a plan B” which relates to drinking and driving but it is something that requires close attention in coaching circles. When a match isn’t going the way you want it to, have you picked a squd/team/bench/formation/tactics that can be altered to make a drastic change to the fortunes of the game? We all have stories of gamechangers and supersubs, which all contributes to the plan b. Too many coaches rely on “more of the same” and yet expect things to change and when they don’t, being a bit unlucky is the common cry. So back to TC and JM; need a plan B and something different? A gamble it may be, or perhaps a lucky charm, and maybe the time has passed and if it all fails we can go back and debate it all once more and maybe learn a lesson?

    • May 16th 2018 @ 8:04am
      Fadida said | May 16th 2018 @ 8:04am | ! Report

      The disappointment were dead weights Ruka and Troisi being chosen ahead of JM. I’d be quite happy with Cahill, Maclaren and Juric all going.

      • May 16th 2018 @ 9:30am
        Ian said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:30am | ! Report

        Concur Fadida. Rather than the talk about Cahill ahead of JM it is more about other apparent goal-scorers ahead of JM

      • May 16th 2018 @ 10:13am
        LuckyEddie said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:13am | ! Report

        Good point.

      • May 16th 2018 @ 11:08am
        chris said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

        Yes exactly. I used to semi rate Ruka but he has long passed his useful date.

      • Roar Guru

        May 16th 2018 @ 4:40pm
        Cousin Claudio said | May 16th 2018 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

        I’d agree that its not entirely Tim Cahill’s fault when there are players in the squad who offer less value than either.

        But Aussie Bert has a history of player selection controversies that goes way back, leaving out top strikers and selecting very fast attacking wingers and midfielders instead, like he tried to outfox and outmuscle Spain in the WC Final of 2010.

        Cahill is there more for his attitude and fighting spirit, than his speed and agility.
        He can score goals at a pinch if needed too from a standing start.

        Forget McLaren. I was shocked when he didn’t select Matt Simon, who has the greatest Aussie spirit and will to win of all.

    • May 16th 2018 @ 8:28am
      Rolly said | May 16th 2018 @ 8:28am | ! Report

      The fact that the team selection came out the same day as the Caltex commercials /adds with Timmy plastered all over the Caltex stores .its too coincidental .not a good look .it never is with FFA. Cahill he hasn’t even played most of the 38 no one fears him anymore if he couldn’t get a start at milwell what does that tell you .

      • Roar Guru

        May 16th 2018 @ 8:36am
        Kaks said | May 16th 2018 @ 8:36am | ! Report

        50 goals in 105 appearances for Australia, what does that tell you?

        • May 16th 2018 @ 6:54pm
          Rolly said | May 16th 2018 @ 6:54pm | ! Report

          Your living in the past mate .he could not even get a start with his old English club today

      • May 16th 2018 @ 8:44am
        Fadida said | May 16th 2018 @ 8:44am | ! Report

        Right on cue. FFA were on the grassy knoll weren’t they Rolly?

      • May 16th 2018 @ 11:10am
        chris said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:10am | ! Report

        Rolly maybe Caltex asked BvM “Hey Bert, is Tim in your long term plans?”
        Bert: “Yes he most definitely is”
        Caltex – “Excellent – we will devise some marketing strategy around that”.

        Thats hardly a conspiracy as you keep going on about.

        • May 16th 2018 @ 12:05pm
          Mark said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

          The question was always going to be if Cahill would make the provisional 32 man squad. If BVM was not minded to pick him because of his lack of playing time, he wouldn’t have picked him in the provisional squad. Everyone knows what Cahill offers (for better or worse), so there is no reason to pick him in the provisional squad then cut him before the final squad.

          Having been picked in the squads so far, short of Cahill picking up an injury in training camp, you can just about bet the house he’ll make the final squad.

    • May 16th 2018 @ 9:06am
      hogdriller said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:06am | ! Report

      Is Jamie Maclaren really ‘in form’?

      Nah, not a chance according to some on here who continue to profess he’s playing in a sub-standard League such as the SPL.

      • Roar Guru

        May 16th 2018 @ 9:09am
        Kaks said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:09am | ! Report

        “he’s playing in a sub-standard League such as the SPL”

        Whether you like it or not, the SPL cannot be considered a high calibre league. Bar Celtic, the SPL is very poor in quality.

        And other than the Hattrick, his goal to game ratio wasn’t good enough to overturn the fact that he hasn’t even looked liked scoring for the Socceroos, or the fact that he did not look like scoring in the Bundesliga 2.

        • May 16th 2018 @ 9:21am
          Mark said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:21am | ! Report

          Spot on.

          It almost takes a special kind of talent to have as little impact as he did in his Socceroos matches, getting so few touches when we had 65-70% of possession.

          • May 16th 2018 @ 9:44am
            Nikola Pozder said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:44am | ! Report

            Looking at UEFA coefficients…The SPL is below a ‘sub-standard’ league. He is struggling to start in that team Hibs team who is well behind Celtic.

            • May 16th 2018 @ 11:34am
              hogdriller said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:34am | ! Report

              Struggling to start at Hibs? who cares if he doesn’t start. 8 goals from 11 games is nothing to ignore. Considering 5 of these goals came within the last 20mins of any game, you may want to ask yourself when was the last time Timmy came off the bench and scored?
              The other question should be, why cant we just take them both?

            • May 18th 2018 @ 9:35pm
              stu said | May 18th 2018 @ 9:35pm | ! Report

              hold the boat….rangers defender named in portugal wc squad, and…..oh dear…rogic extends his contract at celtic. the sky indeed is falling in.

          • May 16th 2018 @ 10:17am
            LuckyEddie said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:17am | ! Report

            It depends on what time of the game he came on and what was served up to him. Possession means little if the strikers are got getting good ball. Passing around the back racking up stats does not win a game.

          • May 16th 2018 @ 11:16am
            chris said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:16am | ! Report

            Thats a bit harsh. And all this talk about SPFL not being up to the standard. I’ve watched enough SPFL to say that it would probably, be on par with most leagues in Europe outside of the top 4/5 (France).
            How many players in say Peru or even Denmark play in the top 4/5 leagues?
            For that matter how many of the Egypt team play in leagues that would be deemed worse that the SPFL?

            • May 16th 2018 @ 11:44am
              Mark said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:44am | ! Report

              That may have been true about the SPL 20 years or more ago but it’s a long way from the truth now. The SPL trades on a history that has long passed it by.

              Scotland is ranked 26th in UEFA’s country coefficients, which determine the number of UCL and UEL spots countries receive. Countries above them include Israel, Cyprus, Romania, Azerbaijan and Serbia.

              LuckyEddie talks about the Championship. The harsh truth for the SPL is that Celtic are no better than that standard, and to get into the UCL these days it relies on getting soft draws in the qualifying rounds. For the rest of the SPL are at League One and League Two standard.

              • May 16th 2018 @ 11:49am
                chris said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:49am | ! Report

                I can only go on what I see and SPFL is a step above the leagues you are comparing it to.

        • May 16th 2018 @ 10:09am
          LuckyEddie said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:09am | ! Report

          If you regard the SPL so lowly can you comment on the players in the English and European Div 2 leagues who have been selected. Jedinak is playing in the English second division and a lot of teams in that league are ordinary.

          Rogic is playing in the SPL, should he be dropped. HAL is not rated to highly so should players from HAL be in the team. Milligan is playing in a sub-standard league should he be in the team.

          When we were beaten by Iran under Venables Mori was is brilliant form but his place went to Vidmar, sitting on the bench in the Spanish league, who had an out and out shocker.

          Like a lot of people this is not a McLaren v Cahill argument it’s more how did Kruse,, Valeri and a few others make the team.

          Even if people do not think a lot of the SPL we have a goal poacher in form at the right time and McLaren should be in the team.

          • May 16th 2018 @ 10:41am
            Ian said | May 16th 2018 @ 10:41am | ! Report

            I’m amazed some people call the SPL ‘below’ a sub-standard league. As in, it is not worth existing.

            Sounds like some code warriors of other football codes describing the A-League FFS

          • May 16th 2018 @ 11:35am
            Nikola Pozder said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:35am | ! Report

            I’d personally be prepared to say the the SPL is below the Championship and that they’d be in a real battle with Burton, Birmingham, Bolton and so on to not get relegated. Celtic is the obvious exception, which their league performances show.

            Even Celtic would be on the margins of the Top 6 in the Championship.Aston Villa of Jedinak is more or less a Premier League team and Wolves were a mid-table PL side this season too. You cannot compare the second tier of English football with the SPL.

            The teams European performances speak for themselves in actual fact so there is no point in mentioning anymore words on the subject.

            You speak about the Egyptian national team? Their league is the strongest African competition and i’d be prepared to say their football teams are also stronger than the SPL.

            Danish teams performed admirably in European competitions, thus their high coefficient ranking.

            If you watch Scottish football, you’ll be aware the difference between Celtic and ‘the rest’.

          • Roar Guru

            May 16th 2018 @ 12:34pm
            Kaks said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

            Mate, Scott Sinclair looks like a phenomenal player in the SPL because the standard is not that high, Boyata is a defensive rock and Leigh Griffiths cant stop scoring apparently. Debate it all you want, but that just explains where the SPL is at in regards to quality.

            League 1 is where a majority of SPL clubs would most likely sit, with Celtic being mid-table to the lower end of the Premier League at best. Not a single player in the team is from a League 1 or lower league. When Bailey Wright was getting selected while playing in League One, it had to do with the fact that he was the best available for the position required. Macca unfortunately isn’t the best available for the position required.

        • May 16th 2018 @ 11:43am
          hogdriller said | May 16th 2018 @ 11:43am | ! Report

          Come on Kaks, “his goal to game ratio wasn’t good enough”?

          8 goals in 11 games in the SPL most recently.
          No goals in 153 minutes with Darmstad?
          …….but yet some 37 goals in 53 games with BR.

          • Roar Guru

            May 16th 2018 @ 12:27pm
            Kaks said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

            Before the game against Rangers – which I’m discounting as it was a dead rubber that skews his stats – and he scores 5 goals in 14 games in the SPL. For a Fringe player, that does not demand selection when he hasn’t performed when given the opportunity. He also play’s a completely different forward role – loves to run in behind defenders – which I doubt is how Bert is going to want to play. Not surprised by him not being selected at all and contrary to what many people believe, his stats aren’t that great.

            Did anyone actually watch him play at Hibs or is everyone just looking at stats as well? Because I doubt anyone would say he deserves selection if the few games I watched of Hibs is anything to go by – and thats against SPL defenders who make Scott Sinclair look like Messi.

            • May 16th 2018 @ 2:52pm
              hogdriller said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

              Why was the game a ‘dead rubber’?
              Hibs were fighting for a European placement, but Aberdeen beating Celtic put a stop to that. When was the last time you watched a game like that and it was a ‘dead rubber”? To see the Rangers fans walking out when they were 3 nil down and then seeing the Hibs fans doing the same when they were 3-5 down……only to come rushing back in after hearing the crowd when Hibs scored their fourth goal, lol.

              IMO Maclaren has hardened up from when he was in the ALeague, his short time in Darmstad then the frantic pace of the SPL have made him more dangerous than ever, even his 2nd goal against Rangers came from a pin point accurate header to the far corner with some bigger defender leaning all over him, and as far as i know headers are’nt Maclarens strongest attribute.
              Watched him playing in the derby when he scored against Hearts, where he scratched and scrapped to get that shot in……me thinks he’s matured quite a bit of late.
              No doubt he deserves selection, hes playing better now in a faster paced environment and against harder, dirtier defenders than when he was in the A League.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 9:50am
                Ian said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:50am | ! Report

                hogdriller you bring facts into the story by actually having watched these games.

                Good description of the goals against Hearts and Rangers.

        • May 16th 2018 @ 12:31pm
          LuckyEddie said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

          How many teams from Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway etc. etc have done anything in the Europa or Champoins League in the last 10 years – none.

          Watch some games from those countries and apart from the maybe top team there are some pretty ordinary outfits. Check out the dismal crowds at some of the games in those leagues and you will be pretty shocked.

          A striker in form in the SPL is better than the non scorers we have selected from some ordinary leagues and lower divisions.

          • Roar Guru

            May 16th 2018 @ 4:28pm
            Kaks said | May 16th 2018 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

            So you’re admitting that the SPL is of low standard by lumping them with the other nations leagues?

            • May 16th 2018 @ 4:59pm
              LuckyEddie said | May 16th 2018 @ 4:59pm | ! Report


      • May 16th 2018 @ 2:49pm
        SquareBall said | May 16th 2018 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

        It’s still a higher calibre league than the A League, the Israeli equivalent or many of the Asian leagues.

    • May 16th 2018 @ 9:20am
      mattq said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:20am | ! Report

      cahill had to be selected but it’s just not a good look with the Cahilltex thing and something the FFA should’ve foreseen but of course they did not being the FFA. A simple explanation of Cahill always being the marketing face of the Socceroos world cup, selected or not would be sufficient. perhaps even a comment he’d being going as a mentor selected or not…

    • May 16th 2018 @ 9:39am
      Ian said | May 16th 2018 @ 9:39am | ! Report

      “Take away the front man’s three goals against Rangers and Maclaren has only scored five goals in 14 league games in a competition rated 26th in Europe according to UEFA club coefficients!’

      Taking away those goals suits your argument of course.

      And he has had average games in the handful of times he has been chosen for the national team……..
      like no player has been given another chance after not setting the world on fire.

      He is full of confidence and is scoring goals when others can’t find the back of the net.

      • May 16th 2018 @ 12:32pm
        LuckyEddie said | May 16th 2018 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

        Exactly but for some reason a lot on this site cannot see the obvious.

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