Cheika to Quade: Here’s how you’ll play for the Wallabies again

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    Wallabies coach Michael Cheika has delivered Quade Cooper an ultimatum: leave the Queensland Reds or forget playing for Australia again on his watch.

    Reds coach Brad Thorn has already slammed the door shut on Cooper.

    Now Cheika has also made it clear there’s no way back into the Wallabies fold unless he joins a rival Australian Super Rugby franchise.

    Both the Melbourne Rebels and Brumbies have pursued the exiled star but the 30-year-old is refusing to budge, saying he’s determined to work his way back into the Queensland squad.

    Cheika says while he remains a fan of Cooper, he won’t consider plucking the enigmatic playmaker out of Brisbane club rugby to wear the Wallabies gold jumper.

    “If he hadn’t had the opportunity to go play Super Rugby, I would say yes because it’s not his fault if he hasn’t had the opportunity, (to play elsewhere),” Cheika said on Fox Sports’ Kick and Chase program.

    “But he’s been offered opportunities and I think he should take one – and I would like him to take one of them so he can get up there and be in the position.”

    Cooper, though, is happy to continue pocketing some $800,000 a year plying his trade for Brisbane Souths.

    And that frustrates Cheika.

    “I want to be clear,” said the national coach.

    “I’ve been watching his club footy games. It’s been really good actually. The standard of the comp in Brisbane – because I’ve been watching more games for that reason – it’s been outstanding.

    “But (he needs to) even just go and get a couple of games at the (Super Rugby) pace. It goes up a level so then, when it comes to the Test, you’ll be ready to go.

    “He has to have form on the board, like all players.”

    Thorn, in his first year as a Super Rugby coach, banished Cooper from the Queensland squad before a ball was even kicked this season and has repeatedly said the Reds were “going in a different direction”.

    Cheika is adamant he won’t intervene, not only on the Cooper conundrum but with any selection issues involving Australia’s four Super Rugby sides.

    “If we want to start to build a proper type of collaboration, where the national team’s involved with the states, you’ve got to trust and respect what the coaches are doing as well,” Cheika said.

    “So if he’s (Thorn) saying there’s no way he’s coming back in, I trust him.”

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    • May 17th 2018 @ 5:46am
      Brisbane Boys said | May 17th 2018 @ 5:46am | ! Report

      Apart from the business perspective has anyone considered QC is a Queenslander and does not want to play elsewhere he tried that in Toulon and did not like it.

      It would appear that happiness is more important to him.

      Plus as a Souths supporter he is brilliant around the club. Helps out with the colts and does anything he can.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 7:00am
        Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:00am | ! Report

        Oh no, don’t mention what a great person Quade is, his dedication to grass roots, his charity support (quietly, not like some self-publicising billionaires) his hospital visits, etc, etc, because as Wayne put it in the Australian, ‘he didn’t play nice with Richie’ so he must be hated and bullied forever. Well done Brad. Lead the way.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 11:24am
          Harry said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:24am | ! Report

          For many years I have admired Quade’s fantastic work with the grass roots which is done selflessly and out of the limelight. Its one of the reasons why he generates such strong emotions and his supporters get dismayed at the constant personal denigration.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 10:04am
        mania said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:04am | ! Report

        so because he’s a queenslander he isnt a WB?
        bottom line is…if quade wants to get into the WBs ever again then he needs to play at a higher level. if he wants to get an international berth anytime soon he has to be internationally visible.
        this isnt rocket science.
        but QC knows all this. he’s not good enough to be selected so will just wallow at club level making an easy $800k a year because thats what he does.
        QC didnt like Toulon because Toulon didnt want him.
        happiness is important to quade. thats why he’s staying in club rugby on a cushy deal wasting away.
        test rugby isnt about happiness. its about striving to be the best playing at the highest level. happiness in test rugby is incidental.

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          May 17th 2018 @ 11:14am
          PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:14am | ! Report

          funny that the reason Cheika gave for dropping him was QC was not enjoying himself

          Now he is expected to not enjoy himself to get back in.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 12:11pm
            BBA said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

            For what it is worth all Cheika is doing is saying what he needs to do to get selected for the Wallabies. If Cooper doesn’t want to do it, it is his choice.

            Bottom line it seems like Cooper has done his dash and has lost his motivation for higher honours. Which is fine, its his career, do what makes you happy. I can understand fighting for a Wallabies jersey with a new team is a big ask.

            Once you have lost motivation it can be hard to get it back.

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              May 17th 2018 @ 12:30pm
              PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

              no he is saying what QC has to do to have an opportunity to be selected, not that he would be selected.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 12:53pm
            Boomeranga said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

            I doubt when Cheika said that last year he foresaw the way it has gone with QLD this year. Fairer to assume he thought Quade would be actually getting a game at Qld.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 2:24pm
              OZ Rugby Fan said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

              Boomeranga,

              Agreed. I don’t think last year anyone could have seen what has happened with QC and the Reds. I still don’t understand it to be honest,

              Indeed, no matter what he may have thought last year I have little doubt Cheika would want QC as at least an option for 10 right now…

          • May 17th 2018 @ 3:26pm
            timber said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:26pm | ! Report

            I think Cheika’s comment was a euphemism implying QC wasn’t putting the work in or wasn’t motivated enough to improve his game.
            And now we have confirmation that he’s not prepared to make sacrifices to play for the Wallabies.

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              May 17th 2018 @ 3:27pm
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

              Who says any other players are?

              Are we just going to continue to apply differing standards to different people?

              • May 17th 2018 @ 4:02pm
                mtiger said | May 17th 2018 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

                Very true TWAS.

                If he is good, whether he play SR or not, you select him.

                Last time, he played SR but Cheika put Cooper on the pine, and then, and then, and then, un-select him.

              • May 18th 2018 @ 8:45pm
                ScottD said | May 18th 2018 @ 8:45pm | ! Report

                It seems like the same standard to me.

                1. We select our Wallabies from the SR competition because that is the highest level beneath the national team.
                2. Train hard, work hard, commit yourself to being the best that you can be and you’ll have a good chance (but not guaranteed) of being at the standard that we need you to be.
                3. If you want to be a Wallaby then play in the SR competition so that we can properly assess you against your peers.
                4. If you are offered a SR contract and don’t take it then that is your choice but you shouldn’t expect a Wallaby berth.
                5. If you are selected in the Wallaby squad then that is the first step but doesn’t mean that you make it into the starting 15 for each game.

                That seems to be a pretty consistent message to me and is the same for any national team for any sport anywhere in the world.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 10:08pm
        Realist said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:08pm | ! Report

        The only way Cooper could ever get a look into a Wallabies jersey would be travelling back in time and signing up for the Waratahs before 2013
        He would be the most capped Wallaby of all time had that been the case,
        Chieka is a lying sack of $h*t pretending Quade will be given a fair go. Just like Scott Higginbotham, he will be given a few minutes in the first game of the season and then discarded for obscure reasons
        Thank god we have Ned Hanigan though right ???

    • May 17th 2018 @ 6:32am
      DLKN said | May 17th 2018 @ 6:32am | ! Report

      Finding it hard to believe that there are any circumstances where Cheika would select Cooper again.

      I remember last year when MC gave QC mere token bench selections and then played him at centre and wing in his cameos, then dumped QC entirely, saying that Cooper hadn’t delivered what he wanted on field.

      That gives me no confidence that QC’s cards haven’t already been marked by the current national coach.

      His comments on TV last night smacked of toeing the corporate line, and sticking with a populist line aimed at marginalising one of the players he was responsible for contracting to RA to 2019.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 7:08am
        Adsa said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:08am | ! Report

        Clown speaks with forked tongue, he played Hodge at 10 last year so that QC would not get a game. He selected Dempsey for the WallyB’ without any Super rugby under his belt.

        I am looking forward to the Clown show come June, the well drilled 6N champions against Clowns Tah boys and a smattering of others.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 8:59am
          Alan said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:59am | ! Report

          Even when he did play Cooper at 10 he put Foley outside him – and when that worked so well he blamed Cooper for Foley’s shortcomings.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 1:28pm
            RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

            We don’t play that structure in reality

            We play 2 playmakers inter changeable at first or 2nd playmaker

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              May 17th 2018 @ 1:39pm
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

              And it hasn’t been successful.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 2:31pm
                RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

                That’s why quade was dropped

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                May 17th 2018 @ 2:34pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

                Because Cheika’s system he’s been using since 2014 hasn’t been successful is why Quade was dropped in June 2017?

                Seems rather odd.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 3:12pm
                RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                It won a rugby championship

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                May 17th 2018 @ 3:20pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

                A truncated tournament, where the RWC was the season goal. And that was now 3 seasons ago.

                It’s also seen a win/loss record of 24 from 45 matches.

                Take out minnow opposition, limiting it to top tier test nations (Rugby Championship and 6 Nations) and that drops to 19 from 40.

                Clearly for whatever reason, that tournament was the anomaly.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 2:39pm
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

                It was successful in 2013 with Quade and Toomua.

                Toomua was a complete 12 though. Guy with a distribution game, kicking game, a big defender, a cool head and a running game. He was a complete 12. Shame about the injuries and then being ignored by Cheika.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 3:12pm
                RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                I don’t recall much success in 2013

              • May 17th 2018 @ 3:17pm
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

                Except for starting on the 7 game win streak….

                What’s Cheika’s win rate in every year aside from 2015 again?

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                May 17th 2018 @ 3:22pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

                Fionn when Messa has to support his comments with actual facts that’s where he slips up.

    • May 17th 2018 @ 6:47am
      Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 6:47am | ! Report

      Ok, so now in Australian rugby we know that from the very top down, it is accepted and condoned that franchises can turn their back on a binding contract and insist that a player change franchises mid-contract. The concept of ‘upmost good faith’ has no application in rugby union. No player can expect that the term on their contract means anything, it is clearly ‘optional’ for them even though in contract law it is considered a fundamental term. And it will be used against them if they do the right thing and insist on performance of the agreed terms.
      This is absolutely disgraceful and will contribute to the destruction of the game in this country. As if that needed any more help. Many on here bang on about ‘character’ and ‘attitude’ and yet are silent when fundamental principles of ethical behaviour are openly breached at the games highest levels.
      If Quade decided to uproot his carefully planned life, he has no guarantee whatsoever that Cheika will select him, even though it is abundantly clear that he is one of the two best 5:8’s eligible for selection. Cheika ‘trusts ‘ Thorn ( why?) but anyone in Quade’s position would be an absolute fool to trust anyone, let alone Cheika.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 8:01am
        Jerry said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:01am | ! Report

        They’re paying him under the contract so they’re not in breach – a players contract doesn’t mandate their selection.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 8:12am
        Out plum said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:12am | ! Report

        What a load of hysterical rubbish Drongo. No one is forcing his hand. He has a choice. Does he want to play super rugby or not. If the answer is “yes”, then he has to move to do it. If he doesn’t want to move, it’s clear what is more important to him. Either way, it’s his choice.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 9:03am
          Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:03am | ! Report

          ‘Hysterical rubbish’. Ok, Thorn delays dropping him until 2 weeks from SR kick off and then we witness a desperate search for a replacement.The timing shows a planned strategy to maximise the damage to Cooper at worst and gross incompetence with no regard for the player’s interests at best. Put yourself in Cooper’s boots and you will understand why this is a massive breach of faith and why my comment is anything but ‘hysterical rubbish’.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 9:13am
            Out plum said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:13am | ! Report

            Your analysis of contract law is wrong. Your conclusions as to where this leaves contractual participants (at large) is wrong.

            The question of whether Thorn and the QRU treated QC poorly is another question and I tend to agree it wasn’t great. However, given QC’s position now, one has to wonder whether he would have done anything differently. In any case, he now has choice – play club rugby and get paid extremely well for it, or have another crack at SR somewhere else. Ball is in his court. His choice.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:05am
              Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:05am | ! Report

              Cheika dropped him last year…Thorn this year…7s coach in 2016…Toulon in 2014 ( I think) so I wonder how long before Souths drop him…..

              • May 17th 2018 @ 1:03pm
                Charlie Turner said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

                Stupid comment!

            • May 17th 2018 @ 1:12pm
              Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

              What is wrong with what I said about contract law? Absolutely nothing. ‘My analysis’ as you put it, whatever that means. The only statement I made about how contract law works is that the term of a contract is considered a fundamental term. Are you going to claim that is wrong? The rest is a description of what the Reds, Thorn and Cheika’s attitude means in practice. It means that a player cannot rely on performance of a binding contract to an Australian super rugby team as being enough to be eligible for Wallaby selection. Cheika has said Quade must move, that means breaking the binding contract. So between them, Thorn and Cheika have conspired effectively to deprive Quade from the benefit of the contract he entered into, if he wants any chance of being considered for the Wallabies, his whole reason for returning to Queensland and entering into a 3 year contract with the Reds. This is the Queensland and Wallaby coach we are talking about. Aren’t these people meant to be acting in the best interests of Queensland and Australian rugby? Let alone shafting a contender for Wallaby selection.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 1:29pm
                Out plum said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

                Upmost good faith? Nonsense and in any case it’s “utmost” which is distinguished from implied contractual good faith. No player can trust they can rely on a term of a contract. Nonsense! I could go on but the clock is ticking.

                You’ve jumbled so many random thoughts into one and thrown in conspiracy theories. Cheika is now to blame for Thorn not picking him.

                As stated before, QC has choice. Cheika is not guaranteeing selection and nor should he.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 8:12pm
                Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

                Read my comment again. I said upmost good faith on purpose, genius. Upmost and utmost are both accepted terms with different meanings. You sound like a law student who thinks they know it all. You have made an assumption that I am referring to the contractual principle of utmost good faith. I am not. I have a PhD in law, have operated a very successful legal practice for decades and have taught law, including contract and commercial law, at 3 different Universities. So I probably have about a lifetimes more knowledge in law than you do. Try and comprehend my post with your prejudice under control and you might actually understand some of it.

              • May 18th 2018 @ 6:48am
                Taylorman said | May 18th 2018 @ 6:48am | ! Report

                Outplummed!😆

              • May 18th 2018 @ 7:26am
                Out plum said | May 18th 2018 @ 7:26am | ! Report

                Wrong again Drongo. Your initial post expressed great concern about the standing of contracts between player and QRU/ARU. There is nothing in this story to suggest any breach. You then bring in conspiracy theories. Stick to the issue…namely, does QC want to try another SR team or not? It’s up to him – I have expressed no view on whether he should or should not, so don’t accuse me of having prejudices. My emotions on this seem to be far more in control than yours.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 4:51pm
              freddieeffer said | May 17th 2018 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

              Out plum, then why wouldn’t/couldn’t the QRU declare Cooper redundant, and pay him out his contract? Both parties honour their contract and sets Cooper free to move to another SR franchise, or play club rugby for free?

              • May 18th 2018 @ 7:28am
                Out plum said | May 18th 2018 @ 7:28am | ! Report

                Deals can be struck Fred. That’s up to the two parties.

              • May 18th 2018 @ 2:38pm
                Mightymoth said | May 18th 2018 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

                Great Question Freddie! Seems they want him to break his contract on a gamble and pocket the coin.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 10:09am
            mania said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:09am | ! Report

            i haven’t witnessed nor read anywhere of quade desperately looking for another contract when thorn gave him the news. please tell exactly how quade was at all inconvenienced. from quades actions i’d hazard a guess that he was happy that he didnt have to play at superrugby level to earn his money.
            furthermore its thorns right to do as he sees fit with the team that he is heading. its thorns head on the line. if he’s doesnt see any value in quade then at least he was honest and straight forward from the start (and continues to do so).

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              May 17th 2018 @ 11:15am
              PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:15am | ! Report

              no BT was not honest and straightforward from the start.

              At the start QC was included in the announced Reds squad.

              After some time he was excluded from coming to training.

              Now if he was announced as not being in the squad that would have been honest and straightforward from the start.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 1:12pm
                mania said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

                either way quade is never playing for the WBs again.
                he doesnt have the work ethic to strive in another team

              • May 17th 2018 @ 3:44pm
                timber said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:44pm | ! Report

                How would you know Peter?
                BT could very well have had no choice, maybe QC was penciled into the squad by his predecessors. Or alternatively, BT wanted to give QC a chance but subsequently wasn’t impressed by his attitude or performance.
                People change their minds and that’s not dishonesty, it’s being prepared to make an honest reassessment given you have new facts at hand.
                For someone who doesn’t know the inner workings of the Reds you like to draw a long bow.

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                May 17th 2018 @ 3:45pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

                If he wanted to give him a chance he wouldn’t have publicly banished him within a week of the squad forming.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 4:01pm
                timber said | May 17th 2018 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

                Depends on QCs behavior, if he waltzed in like he owned the joint and was immediately confrontational then maybe’s BT misgivings were quickly realized and he pulled the plug.
                Funny how QC attracts controversial wherever he goes, he’s the common denominator, but his fans think it’s all some grand conspiracy to besmirch his upstanding and misrepresented character.

              • May 19th 2018 @ 7:55am
                Super rugby said | May 19th 2018 @ 7:55am | ! Report

                Quades fans will do anything to avoid the reality that qaude is just not good enough!
                Coaches like chieka have watched him train and play for years and are making their decisions to leave him out based on that.
                How many fans on here have watched quade train this closely and have such extensive knowledge of his current abilities?

            • May 17th 2018 @ 1:34pm
              Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

              Mania, your comment is in complete conflict with what has been said and done in this saga. So you would ignore all of the public comments, not to mention the facts and the time line, and you would then ‘guess’ that Quade is happy now. Nice way to arrive at a conclusion congruent with your prejudices.

              • May 18th 2018 @ 5:33am
                mania said | May 18th 2018 @ 5:33am | ! Report

                what facts drongo am i getting wrong? qc has said he’s staying in club and is enjoying himself. thorn has iterated over and over that qc is allowed to leave and that he doesnt value his contributions. putting the timing aside which imo was just incidental, remember that thorn isnt qc’s agent and has a whole team to worry about not just quade.
                if quade makes it back into the WBs i’ll become a fan, but tbh i dont think he has the cajones and grit to put in the hard work for a gold jersey.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 9:06am
        RahRah said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:06am | ! Report

        Get a grip – anyone who has worked for an organization spread between different cities/countries knows that there is a chance of relocation. Personally I’ve been relocated on three occasions – you just get on with it and do it.
        Cooper via his manager has always tried to hold a gun to the head of his employer with threats of leaving for parts elsewhere or to switch codes to league. He is reaping what he has sown. His “unforced” trip to Toulon bit him on the bum and so he came back with his tail between his legs.
        Thousands of us volunteer our time to grass roots rugby everyday, usually at some personal expense and don’t get paid over 500K a year to do it.

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          May 17th 2018 @ 9:45am
          Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:45am | ! Report

          But the Reds aren’t an organisation spread between anywhere.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 10:06am
            RahRah said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:06am | ! Report

            But RA are and the Wallabies are drawn from a pool spread across the country. If he wants to play for them then he goes where he is required.

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2018 @ 10:07am
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:07am | ! Report

              Not if he has agreed to a contract with the Reds…

              • May 17th 2018 @ 10:42am
                RahRah said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:42am | ! Report

                Well then he settles in Brisbane and remains the highest paid club footballer in the game. His choice his result.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:14pm
                mania said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                exactly. if he doesnt want to play for the WBs then he can stay and cruise in qld and play club rugby. the decisions are his and tbh i dont think he has the grit to battle back so i imagine he’ll just stay in club rugby

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:23am
              Gray-Hand said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:23am | ! Report

              That wasn’t the deal that RA offered Cooper when they asked him to come back.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 2:44pm
              Hello said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

              Go the Magpies !!! .

              Thorn and Cheika ?? URRRRRGH… JUST URRRRRRRRRGH !!

          • May 17th 2018 @ 10:07am
            Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:07am | ! Report

            But RA is …..and he has an RA contract as well as a Reds contract….But it clearly shows his ambitions and his itude is the perfect example of the sort of person no one wants in their Pro team…….hence he was DROPPED AGAIN

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2018 @ 10:26am
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:26am | ! Report

              And?

              So what if RA is? He’s signed a Reds contract. He has to sign a state contract for his RA contract.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 10:37am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:37am | ! Report

                You know he has signed both a Qld and an RA contract….He can easily replace the QLD contract with either a Brumbies or a Rebels contract as he has been offered them……He got dropped to club level and has the choice to change that….Not really hard to understand is it twas….I am sure you know that tho

              • May 17th 2018 @ 10:44am
                RahRah said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:44am | ! Report

                And his RA contract will no doubt require him to play SR. If he chooses not to then the consequences are of his won making.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:08am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

                Rah Rah no. It requires him to commit to an SR team. He’s done that.

                Again Jacko. You don’t know if he can easily replace it. What if they can’t offer him the same amount? What happens there? How much are QLD prepared to play?

                Does his ARU contract become null and void and need to sign a new one?

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                May 17th 2018 @ 11:17am
                PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:17am | ! Report

                the RA contract require him to be signed for a super rugby club , which he is.

                Who knows if he has to take a pay cut to move to brumbies or rebels.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:19am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:19am | ! Report

                peter he does not have to take a pay cut as its QLDs responsibily to pay him what he signed for so their IS NO REDUCTION in contract amount if he went to another SR franchise

              • May 18th 2018 @ 6:50am
                Taylorman said | May 18th 2018 @ 6:50am | ! Report

                He should take a pay cut when hes not playing well enough to play for the Reds. 👍

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:25am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:25am | ! Report

                Can you confirm they’ve agreed to release him on those terms?

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                May 17th 2018 @ 11:39am
                PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:39am | ! Report

                jacko , no qru would have to release him and brumbies or rebels sign him.

                It is not like nz where they are contracted centrally.

                So that could clearly mean a paycut.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:45am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:45am | ! Report

                Maybe no other SR team is seeing any value in him? Also the Reds are legally obliged to pay him his contract unless he chooses to voluntarily leave….so no he wont drop any pay at all and do you really believe that QLD rugby would not consider paying part of his contract and another franchise the remainder? Currently the REDS are paying ALL that they owe him so any saving for them would be well worth it

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                May 17th 2018 @ 11:52am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:52am | ! Report

                Do you have any understanding of contracts?

                To go elsewhere Quade would have to request to be released. Unless an agreement was reached, the Reds would then have no further obligations.

                The Reds would need to agree to pay the difference between the two contracts, and release him for that to happen.

                They are not just automatically obligated.

                Common sense just means people won’t seek/agree to a release unless this occurs.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 1:37pm
                Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

                No one has offered him any near where what his current contract provides. No where near. Why would they? The clubs hold all the chips and their rosters are full. And the contract he is on is very, very valuable in $$ terms. It is proving to be a massive waste of scarce funds, a gross flushing down the toilet of money by Brad Thorn, money that is not his but really belongs to every rugby supporter in the state who has made a contribution to the Reds and Queensland rugby.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 4:07pm
              mtiger said | May 17th 2018 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

              So much has been said. Thorn should just bring him back. It is not like Reds are in the Finals this year.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 1:36pm
          Drongo said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

          It’s not a relocation. You are the one who needs to ‘get a grip’. It’s breaking one binding contract to enter into a different one, one which Quade has no reason to think will be honoured in the way contemplated by the parties, just like his contract with the Reds.

    • May 17th 2018 @ 7:17am
      Rugby Tragic Too said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:17am | ! Report

      QC could not make the match day squad when he played club rugby in France.

      Apart from a small period in super rugby 2011 (7 years ago) and perhaps a small period for the wallabies in 2013 (from memory… again about 5 years ago so hard to remember back that far) he’s done nothing but play rather mediocre rugby.

      He was not much chop in the first place.

      he lacks the character for a test no 10. He’s lost his genuine pace. Can’t kick goals very well. Flick passes too much. He’s reluctant in defence. Makes too many mistakes. There’s a lot not to like.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 7:50am
        soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:50am | ! Report

        unfortunately most here will have watched him play for themselves and will not benefit significantly from your slanted career summary

        • May 17th 2018 @ 8:48am
          RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:48am | ! Report

          I think anyone that’s watched him without their red coloured glasses, like his past 4 or 5 coaches who have all cut him from their selection table, would agree with me

          • Roar Guru

            May 17th 2018 @ 9:02am
            Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:02am | ! Report

            Hilarious mister objective here trying to accuse people of biased views.

            I’ve just completely debunked your rubbish about his French stint.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:13am
              RahRah said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:13am | ! Report

              In your own head maybe.

              “Asked how the change was working, Boudjellal told Quinze Mondial: “It’s difficult to go from foie gras to pâté.” That translated to having Wilkinson as the duck delicacy and Cooper as the standard fare.
              “For now, Cooper is not what I was hoping for. But we have to also give him time”.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 9:05am
            Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:05am | ! Report

            ‘Like his past 4 or 5 coaches who have all cut him from their selection table’

            Actually, Stiles didn’t cut him, Link didn’t cut him and Deans didn’t ‘cut’ him, he didn’t select him in 2012 when he was out of form (Deans even said so in his biography – said that at that point he just wasn’t straightening the attack enough) and in 2013 picked O’Connor over Australia’s form 10 Matt Toomua, so enough said.

            Therefore, at most you could say it was the Toulon coach, Cheika and Thorn who cut him.

            At least Cheika is man enough to imply he ay have a way back to the Wallabies. Great to hear from Cheik.

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2018 @ 9:06am
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:06am | ! Report

              Except the Toulon coach never cut him.

              Selected him as regularly as his other 3 options and the option for 2016/17 was in Quade’s favour.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:09am
              Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:09am | ! Report

              No none of them cut him…Thorn included……They just didnt select him because he is not up to the required level

              • May 17th 2018 @ 10:38am
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:38am | ! Report

                Actually, no, it was only Thorn and Cheika.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:08am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

                Deans dropped him…..The 7s coach did not name him in the Olympic squad that QC tried to get into..Toulon bought a bloke to go to the 10 possition over QC…If the word CUT doesnt fit your thinking thats fine but he was either dropped or not selected

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:40am
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:40am | ! Report

                But you’re only telling a half-truth with Deans.

                Deans didn’t emphatically drop him, he didn’t select him post-injury because he said (and he was very clear in his book) at that point after coming back from the injury he wasn’t straightening the attack enough. Nowhere did he imply that Quade was permanently done or wouldn’t find himself back in the Wallabies while Deans was coaching.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:48am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:48am | ! Report

                Fionn dont you remember QC saying he didnt want to play in such a toxic environment as the AUS rugby team under Deans? As a coach you would keep selecting him would you? Deans got rubbished severly for DROPPING QC….Not cutting tho….just dropping..as in out of team on match day

              • May 17th 2018 @ 4:21pm
                timber said | May 17th 2018 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

                Didn’t select him? dropped him? Fionn, you’re playing with semantics.
                He wasn’t good enough to make Dean’s team, simple.
                Whether this was a temporary or permanent state is irrelevant, very few people (Deans included) would claim to read the future.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:44am
              Puff said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:44am | ! Report

              Quade Cooper has a divisive nature and appears to make friends and find detractor’s in equal numbers. He is a player who offered the international game so much but delivered so little. Although I don’t particularly admirer Cheika’s selection and coaching skills, to succeed in professional sport, adjustments are need and Quade understands that. He engaged advice to relocate from NZ, to further his career and was happy to shuffle off to France. Therefore, if he believes he is still Wallaby material at 30, start packing a bag.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:09am
                jeznez said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:09am | ! Report

                He engaged advice to relocate from NZ, to further his career

                Really? As a 12 year old? He moved to Brisbane at the age of 13.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:09am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:09am | ! Report

                Quade relocated to NZ to further his career?

                His family relocated here when he was 13…

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:16am
                soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                well he certainly seem to generate strong negative descriptions of his character from a lot of people that have never met him.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:21am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                How do you know people have never met him?

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:58am
                jeznez said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:58am | ! Report

                Jacko – the age he moved here is a matter of public record. He was born in Aukland, moved to Tokera at the age of 1 and then Brisbane at the age of 13.

                If you are challenging the conversation part, then sure, I don’t know that he didn’t have a conversation – would just be very surprised if he had one that young.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 12:31pm
                jeznez said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

                Apologies – obviously meant Tokoroa

              • May 17th 2018 @ 1:41pm
                soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

                jacko i dont know. id be surprised if anyone genuinely in the know would talk that way tho.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 2:03pm
                soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

                btwi dont mean positively or negatively, just the way the comment is structured

              • May 17th 2018 @ 3:08pm
                Puff said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:08pm | ! Report

                jeznez,You are correct; I thought he relocated to OZ from Tokoroa at 15. According to what I’ve been told he was recognized as talented at that early age. The shame is, had he stayed for a few more years his skill set would have been much more proficient and this conversation would be nothing more than pedantic rhetoric. The synopsis is; if he declines to release himself from hibernation forget the bigger picture.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 9:06am
            Rusty743 said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:06am | ! Report

            RTT, c’mon man! You are the one that thinks Foley is rank in the 3 fly halfs in the world. If that doesn’t align with blue coloured glasses I am not sure what does. Quade can do a lot of things in the game that our current stock of 10s cannot. Saying he was not much chop in the first place is just not true.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 1:13pm
              RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

              Foley is only 1 of 6 Australians that made into the top 50 of the worlds best players as voted in the Rugby World magazine earlier this year. Predominantly voted by UK citizens so there is no bias except for brits!

              Folau was 5th/Hooper 8th/Beale 14th/pocock 41st/Genia 42nd/Foley 46th

              Frankly it’s about right!

              Do all these people in the UK have blue coloured glasses?

              • May 17th 2018 @ 6:19pm
                Council said | May 17th 2018 @ 6:19pm | ! Report

                I can name at least five all blacks that are better players than Folau so that list doesn’t really hold much water.

                Sam Whitelock
                Brodie Retallick
                Aaron Smith
                Beaudan Barret
                Ben Smith
                Reiko Ioane

                That’s more than five who would be selected on any team sheet before Folau.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 6:59pm
                RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

                According to the most prestigious rugby magazine in the world, with no bias towards our neck of he Woods’s Ben Smith is no where near Folau. 47th.

                Reiko Ioane is 11th. Retallick 10th. Whitelock 18th. Aaron Smith 25th.

                Only Beauden Barrett is rated better at 2nd.

            • May 19th 2018 @ 8:02am
              Super rugby said | May 19th 2018 @ 8:02am | ! Report

              Unfortunately for qc the one thing he can’t do is play well enough to get selected

              • May 20th 2018 @ 7:42pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | May 20th 2018 @ 7:42pm | ! Report

                Unfortunately for QC the one thing he can’t do is get selected even when he plays well enough.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 9:18am
            soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:18am | ! Report

            yes im sure you do think that.

            not hard to observe agenda being born out when people write these slanted summaries and half truths.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 2:53pm
          Hello said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

          RTT Jacko their hero Coach Clown Cheika prefer Bernard ” the unreliable goalkicking, one dimensional, can kick for touch, cant run a backline, cant tackle ” Foley… What goofballs they are !! hahahaha

          Long live WARUtahs !!

      • May 17th 2018 @ 8:20am
        Gray-Hand said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:20am | ! Report

        Even if that’s true (it’s not), Cooper is still one of the best two 10’s in Australia.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 8:48am
          RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:48am | ! Report

          Based on what?

          • May 17th 2018 @ 10:34am
            Gray-Hand said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:34am | ! Report

            Based on:
            1. The Reds 10s have been pretty lacklustre this season.
            2. The Brumbies apparently wanted Cooper to replace their incumbent 10.
            3. The Rebels apparently wanted Cooper to replace their incumbent 10.

            Which only leaves Foley as a serious rival for Cooper.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:40am
              Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:40am | ! Report

              Grey hand

              QC is a club player…What evidence do you have that he is 1 of the best 10s in the country….Oh its how you remember he was in 2011 is it? thats a lot of years ago GH

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:57pm
                Gray-Hand said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

                His provincial and international form over the last couple of seasons. Cooper and Foley are at about the same level, everyone else is a lower tier.

                No idea why you bring up his 2011 form since it’s completely irrelevant to anything in 2018, but 2011 Quade Cooper was a far better player than any 2018 Australian 10.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 2:55pm
            Hello said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

            QC is the best in OZ, Foley is a proven Spud. 4 years and the potato is still there in the 10 jersey.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 2:42pm
          OZ Rugby Fan said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

          I think you’re right, Gray-Hand. Australia is really lacking experienced and quality 10s right now. I believe if QC was playing for the Reds (or another SR team) he certainly would be one of the three options at 10. While Cheika played around with options last year I’m not so sure he still wouldn’t take QC to the World Cup as his second 10.

      • Roar Guru

        May 17th 2018 @ 8:58am
        Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:58am | ! Report

        QC could not make the match day squad when he played club rugby in France.

        Really?

        Because I looked it up. And from Quade’s first game (he arrived late due to the RWC) he was used more times than Tom Taylor, Fred Michelek and Matt Giteau across Top 14 and ECC Games.

        Perhaps you’re just blatantly wrong?

        Of the 7 ECC Games, Cooper started 4 of them. Giteau only started 3. Neither were on the bench. Both were only used at 10.

        He was only available for a Maximum of 22 Top 14 Games as the RWC Final was the same weekend as Round 7. He started 8 of those 19 and was used as a replacement for another 2.

        For comparison:

        Tom Taylor started 9 and was a replacement for 4 (but didn’t start an ECC match)
        Matt Giteau started 8
        Drew Mitchell started 8 and was a replacement for 2
        James O’Conner started 12 and was a replacement for 2
        Ma’a Nonu started 16
        Freddie Michelek started 2 and was a replacement for 8

        Could they all not make the match day squad either?

        Yep. Blatanty wrong you are.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 10:11am
          Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:11am | ! Report

          TWAS they did not offer him a new contract…Who cares how many times he played for them…NO CONTRACT OFFER

          • Roar Guru

            May 17th 2018 @ 10:29am
            Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:29am | ! Report

            No. He signed a 2 year deal.

            The 2nd year was in his favour. He chose not to extend. They didn’t not offer him a contract, he already had one which he could choose to terminate.

            https://www.sbs.com.au/news/cooper-knocks-back-toulon-option-report

            • May 17th 2018 @ 11:15am
              Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:15am | ! Report

              Yes but dont you wonder why the Toulon contract offer he turned down was a 1/3 of his original one? They were happy to get him at peanuts so he returned to AUS with his RA topped up contract…Remember HE left the REDS…the Reds owe him nothing

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:27am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:27am | ! Report

                Again No. You’re revised argument is once again incorrect.

                He was given a 2 year offer in 2015. The 2nd year was an option in his favour.

                There was no new offer made, as his original contract was for 2 seasons, if HE chose to stay. He chose not to.

                He did not turn down a new contract, he was already on that contract. He just had a get out clause.

                You’ve just blatantly lied, making up something and trying to sell it as a fact.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:59pm
                Brian George said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

                Whacko struggles with the concept of Cooper being anything other than a failure so your efforts are wasted.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:56am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:56am | ! Report

                Oh dear…shock horror again…making stuff up now Twas…shame on you …..They got rid of QC from the Toulon squad …..He did have a contract obn offer which had clauses built in about performing in the top team…He was told he would not be in the top team so would have earnt 1/3rd of what he did in his 1st year hence he decided it was time to move…All because the Toulon coach TOLD HIM he was not in line for much gametime…….he had 15 appearances in 2 years….most in year 1….Then toulon bought a 1st 5 who could deliver what they wanted as Cooper couldnt.

                You have blatently lied, making up something and trying to present it as fact

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 12:26pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

                Ok.

                So we have an independent news report verifying my story, and we have your word, which you’ve changed halfway… I wonder which is more reliable?

                It was reported he had a contract with an offer in his favour. I’ve shared that report.

                Nothing supporting your version.

                I have to admire your willingness to belligerently lie in face of evidence contradicting you though.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 6:06pm
                Rugby Tragic Too said | May 17th 2018 @ 6:06pm | ! Report

                TWAS this is an extract from an article on pundit arena: http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/toulon-trade-quade-cooper-transfer-swap/

                ‘Earlier this month we reported that after a difficult first season at the Stade Mayol, Toulon were going to release Quade Cooper this summer.

                Of course, The prospect of such an ignominious end to Cooper’s short stay at Toulon had been hinted at since the three time European Champions announced the capture of of François Trinh-Duc late last year.

                Nevertheless, given Frédéric Michalak’s decision to join Lyon next season, many expected to see Cooper remain at Toulon for at least another year.

                However, Cooper’s poor form seems to have forced the hand of Mourad Boudjellal, leaving the 58 times capped Wallaby international without a club for next season.

                Indeed, according to the The Telegraph, Cooper’s representatives had been sounding out interest from various Premiership clubs over recent weeks, but to no avail.’

                Quade failed at french club rugby and could not find a club at all so had to come home with his tail between his legs.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 1:14pm
          RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

          By the end of the season he was unwanted

          Wherever he goes he end up on the scrap heap

          • Roar Guru

            May 17th 2018 @ 1:19pm
            Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

            Because you say so?

            A number of players were rotated through, throughout the season.

            You said he couldn’t make the match day squad. I’ve proven that’s blatantly false so you figure you’ll double down with another baseless claim?

            • May 17th 2018 @ 2:44pm
              RTT said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

              He played until they realised how rubbish he was and then as I said couldn’t make the match day squad

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 2:53pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

                Except again, not true.

                Giteau was used a bit.

                Then Quade was used a bit.

                Then Taylor was used a bit.

                Then Michelek was used a bit.

                Then Quade came in a bit.

                Then Giteau came back in.

                They rotated their players through, throughout the season at different periods. He was out of the side a bit in March, but found himself playing and starting again after that.

                You just assert blatant lies with no logic at all to support them.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 6:09pm
                Rugby Tragic Too said | May 17th 2018 @ 6:09pm | ! Report

                TWAS this is an extract from an artcie on pundit arena: http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/toulon-trade-quade-cooper-transfer-swap/

                ‘Earlier this month we reported that after a difficult first season at the Stade Mayol, Toulon were going to release Quade Cooper this summer.

                Of course, The prospect of such an ignominious end to Cooper’s short stay at Toulon had been hinted at since the three time European Champions announced the capture of of François Trinh-Duc late last year.

                Nevertheless, given Frédéric Michalak’s decision to join Lyon next season, many expected to see Cooper remain at Toulon for at least another year.

                However, Cooper’s poor form seems to have forced the hand of Mourad Boudjellal, leaving the 58 times capped Wallaby international without a club for next season.

                Indeed, according to the The Telegraph, Cooper’s representatives had been sounding out interest from various Premiership clubs over recent weeks, but to no avail.’

                Quade failed at french club rugby and could not find a club at all so had to come home with his tail between his legs.

              • Roar Guru

                May 18th 2018 @ 8:41am
                Train Without A Station said | May 18th 2018 @ 8:41am | ! Report

                You realize pundit arena is a fan site similar to the roar right? The credibility goes as far as that of the writer.

                Toulon could not “release” Cooper (Without suffering the costs) as he had a contract and the option was in his favour.

                The article also discusses a “trade” with the Reds, which again, was not required, as Quade had the ability to terminate the contract.

                Keep repeating it as much as you like Messa, it still doesn’t stack up.

    • May 17th 2018 @ 7:32am
      Ken Catchpole’s Other Leg said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:32am | ! Report

      Cheika’s performance last night was as mealy mouthed as Thorn’s growling ‘goin’ in a difrent direction’ mumbles.
      Neither man seems capable of speaking with clarity and credibility on this matter.

      It looks as if Thorn would pick an U15 Brisbane schoolboy before Quade, but Quade springing upward from Brisbane Souths still seems as likely an avenue to a gold jersey as through Rebs or Brums. That is -not very.

      Thorn has ruled out selection. No clear reason. But a clear decision. Yeh, he’s the coach blah blah blah.
      But who pays his wages? We do, one way or another. Both those who agree with Thorn and those who don’t, pay Thorns wages and Quade’s club wages. So there are 650,000 good reasons for Thorn to give us one clear, credible reason. (Not your prejudiced guesses dear haters) The shiny new ‘direction’ has just delivered a record loss to the Sunwolves and still no 10 in development.

      But Cheika’s stance on this is even more disappointing. He could offer clarity and leadership, but no he just plays a game. ‘Well if he wants higher honours he needs to play Super’, as if he has any intention to pick him from the Rebels or Brumbies or subbies.
      Cheika also is not earning his money. What has he done but watch rugby since December?
      Didn’t he have a chance to prepare a statement on depth at 10, and his plan to create it?

      Where are the journos asking the hard questions?
      McCardle had a crack last night before being stared down by the ‘boss’.

      All this talk about wasting 650 on Quade ignores the elephants in the room. The two big shot, big hitters paid big bucks to lose rugby games, and to not tell us what is going on inside their stubborn skulls.
      Both are now coaching teams with record breaking losses, yet are unable to articulate a way forward when asked.

      Quade, or an alternate plan for an international 10, is just one issue.
      The money they are holding their hands out for each week to feed us mumbles and ‘know what I mean’s is an embarrassment.

      • May 17th 2018 @ 9:29am
        soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:29am | ! Report

        yes rugby oz isnt a sport in a position to be able to make itself above and unaccountable to its fans.

      • Roar Rookie

        May 17th 2018 @ 9:48am
        Paul D said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        “But Cheika’s stance on this is even more disappointing”

        Actually as the head coach of Australia I think his position is commendable. His responsibility is to Australian Rugby and it is damaging Australian Rugby as a whole that Quade is sitting in Brisbane playing club rugby instead of helping the Rebels or the Brumbies be more competitive.

        He is using the only lever he has available to him, and it is completely reasonable to expect someone playing for the Wallabies actually get some game time at the highest level available to them before they are selected.

        But if Quade is not interested in playing for the Wallabies anymore than he’s entitled to stay put till his contract runs out if he wishes. But I don’t see him winning the war of stubbornness with Thorn.

        • Roar Guru

          May 17th 2018 @ 9:52am
          Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:52am | ! Report

          Might outlast Thorn though going by the Reds’ record here.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 9:58am
            Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:58am | ! Report

            Before last weekend I would have said you were wrong. But a few more performances like against the Sunwolves and who knows.

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2018 @ 10:09am
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:09am | ! Report

              Nothing is certain with Reds admin…

              • May 17th 2018 @ 10:27am
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:27am | ! Report

                How many years is his contract? Surely they can’t afford another payout.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 10:33am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:33am | ! Report

                They haven’t been able to afford the last 2 and it hasn’t stopped them!

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:01am
                PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:01am | ! Report

                If Reds have learnt anything they would have a performance benchmark as a get out clause so they don’t have to make a payout or at least a vastly reduced one.

                After all they were signing a rookie coach not a proven coach with a good track record at super rugby level or equivalent..

          • May 17th 2018 @ 10:18am
            Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:18am | ! Report

            Sack Thorn then……..Im sure their are a few NZ teams happy to employ him if Aus does not want any decent coaches…..Sack all Aus SR coaches because you see some agenda in their coaching….Why is the Rebels coach refusing to play Maddocks at 10? Why is the brumbies coach playing Hawera at 10? Actually why is Gibson playing Foley at 10?…All Aus 10s are past it or not being given a go to learn….And of course if Thorn played QC then Aus teams would be winning everything eh?

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2018 @ 10:30am
              Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:30am | ! Report

              A few NZ teams will employ him as a Head Coach?

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:16am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                Who said that? NZ doesnt do that…Canes just hired Carlos Spencer as an assistant….Blues just hired Major as an assistant……

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:28am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:28am | ! Report

                Well what relevance is being employed as an assistant coach?

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:58am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:58am | ! Report

                Ahhh yes what relevance in NZ rugby being smarter than Aus rugby.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:39am
              Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:39am | ! Report

              How do you know he’s a good coach? So far he has had one NRC win – Stiles went undefeated over two whole NRC seasons, didn’t he?

              I’m not saying he isn’t a good coach, but we just lack the evidence thus far to make that assessment.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 10:45am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:45am | ! Report

                What makes you think he isnt a good coach? 1 win in 1 season at NRC ( and they were wooden spoon the season before) and already as many wins with a junior team at the REDS as they had last year with QC in the Reds team.
                Are you saying he is not a good coach? You can make that decision on what you see but how do I know anything on what I see? We have all seen the same thing so you have decided he is no good and I have decided he is good

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:07am
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:07am | ! Report

                I never said he wasn’t a good coach.

                I said we lack the empirical evidence to state he was a good coach.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:13am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:13am | ! Report

                Yes Queensland Country were wooden spoon the year before.

                That ignores the fact that Thorn had a number of players at his disposal that Kefu didn’t the year before, and in Super Rugby terms, the squad he had in 2017 was in fact more experienced than the Brisbane City squad of 2014.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:21am
                PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                I do know he has been ineffective in having his focus areas become strengths.

                He has stated set pieces and defence are his focus.

                The scrum is very good, an improvement on last year which was strong as well.
                The lineout is good but not as good as last year.
                The defence is poor not an improvement on last year.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:24am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:24am | ! Report

                And he has already reached the lofty heights of 4 wins that last years REDs achieved with QC in the whole season last year…….

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:41am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:41am | ! Report

                Yep.

                The Reds are conceding as many tries as they did in 2017. The big difference is they play one less NZ team in the season, but they are also yet to play 3 of the NZ teams they have to face.

                They are still yet to face 3 NZ teams though. which are teams they gave up plenty of tries to.

                This year they are conceding 6.3 penalties per game where as last year it was around 7.3 per game. This has been the only real improvement. Last year they lost games where they scored more tries. This year lesser penalties has helped them close out 1 or 2 of them. But they are not able to score tries.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:01pm
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

                Twas all that stuff you wrote and the Reds are just as successful as last year eh…What a coach to be able to do that without the absolute genius of Cooper in his side eh? Cooper had a great year in 2011…not abad year in 2013…all down hill since but you want him to be selected forever…Bring back Buck eh…bring back Eales….except Cooper was never a Buck or an Eales and he is now a club player in Brisbane

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 12:28pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

                Maybe a coach with a bunch of players who are 1 year more experienced than last year.

                Since 2017 Tupou and Rodda have gone on to cement themselves as Wallabies when fit. Korczyk a year older. Timu actually available. James Slipper not injured all year.

                The fact is the pack was always going to be better for those reasons. And that’s basically the extent of the improvement.

        • Roar Guru

          May 17th 2018 @ 11:00am
          PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

          Paul D – Agree that Cheika is doing the best he can in terms of getting the best players to play super rugby.

          However the so called carrot that is being waved is old and mouldy.

          QC would have an opportunity to be selected for wallabies , sure, if Foley, Beale, and Hodge all were injured QC might be a chance to make the squad and from there if he trained well and was seen to be enjoying himself then might make the bench.

          What no one knows is QC expected to take a pay cut to move to Brumbies or Rebels? Is QRU willing to share costs?

          IMO QC on a cost / benefit analysis has determined it is not worth moving for the old mouldy carrot.

        • May 17th 2018 @ 5:18pm
          Ken Catchpole’s Other Leg said | May 17th 2018 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

          Paul,D, is the cart pulling the horse?

    • May 17th 2018 @ 7:48am
      soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 7:48am | ! Report

      if he genuinely saw cooper as a playing regularly for australia under him he sent pretty much the opposite message last year. if he really does want that it might be the chickens coming home to roost to an extent as a result as its not really that surprising cooper wouldn’t want to uproot state at this point to give himself what would be seen as such a slim chance.

      • Roar Rookie

        May 17th 2018 @ 8:54am
        Don said | May 17th 2018 @ 8:54am | ! Report

        Yep
        Why would QC believe this rot from Cheika that he is a big fan and would have considered him out of club rugby if he hadn’t been offered any other Super Rugby gigs?

        When QC was clearly playing better rugby than an out of form Foley he didn’t pick him.

        When he gave QC a shot at 10 he also lumbered him with an out of form and unskilled (in the position) Foley at 12.

        Then he sent him back to club footy because he doesn’t look like he’s enjoying his footy.

        Then left him out of the Spring Tour completely.

        Yep. He’s a QC fan and you should trust him Quade…

        • May 17th 2018 @ 9:01am
          Out plum said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:01am | ! Report

          I just think this misses the point. To me, this article simply puts the spotlight on QC. Does it matter whether the national coach is likely or not to pick you? Don’t you want to play rugby at the highest level you can when you’re a professional rugby player? Two SR teams are offering him a chance to play at that level and he, apparently, isn’t interested.

          It’s entirely a matter for him.

          • Roar Guru

            May 17th 2018 @ 9:02am
            Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:02am | ! Report

            And what none of us know is the contractual implications.

            Have the Reds agreed to pay any shortfall in salary? Does it void his ARU Contract?

            • May 17th 2018 @ 9:16am
              Out plum said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:16am | ! Report

              That’s true TWAS but I’m only commenting in broad terms and assuming he has a choice as the article seems to imply.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 9:23am
                soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:23am | ! Report

                it is starting to smell a little like a propaganda campaign against him to get him to move, stories coming out about him turning down offers (with little real facts) and now this.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:40am
                jeznez said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:40am | ! Report

                soapit – McKellar is on record as having had an informal chat to sound him out and Cooper stated he wasn’t interested so they never moved on to a formal one.

                Below is from 8th of May, apparently McKellar and Cooper had their chat a month earlier:

                “We won’t be going there. Quade indicated he wants to stay in Queensland try to get back into the Reds,” McKellar said.
                “There will be no further discussions from our end. It was an informal conversation … I’ve known Quade from our links to Souths [in Brisbane] and it was just seeing where he was at.
                “He said he was happy with where he was at, [the talks] never developed any further. When a player like Quade is available you have a look because he’s available and he has experience, but we won’t be going down that path.”

                https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/act-brumbies-rule-out-cooper-lifeline-to-super-rugby-20180508-p4zdyf.html

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:42am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:42am | ! Report

                But Jez if the Reds said they wouldn’t pay the difference wouldn’t that basically leave Quade likely to only respond like that?

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 12:02pm
                jeznez said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

                Was just responding to stories coming out about him turning down offers (with little real facts) with some on record comments from McKellar.

                Doesn’t mean there isn’t a conspiracy, or imply the full details are now known. Why for instance did this information come out a month after the conversation? Could be innocent, might not be.

                Just trying to add a bit more background in case people didn’t have it.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 1:45pm
                soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

                jez twas said what i was getting at. we dont know the facts of any offer. im tlking specifically about the dollar side of things.

                having said that perhaps i did get carried away by the conspiracy talk. the lack of detail on dollars just made me suspcious as its a pretty significant aspect to any potential move.

                then again maybe you have a quote which gives more info on that?

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:23am
              Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:23am | ! Report

              Twas WE DO KNOW that RA and QLD cannot reduce his pay for the lenth of his current contract so what you say is not true…shock horror…..QC is not taking up other offers….I support his decision to decide that for himself…He is 100% entitled to remain in Brisbane and do exactly what he is doing……Maybe he does not believe he will ever play for Aus again…as I dont….so is making the most of his current contract while he can……but dont blame others for HIS CHOICE as we now know clearly that he has been offered at least 2 other choices and has turned them down

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 10:31am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:31am | ! Report

                If he goes to another team he needs to be released from his Reds contract.

                If the offer is less than the Reds contract (which it likely is as teams should not have cap space) the Reds need to agree to pay the difference or he will lose money.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 11:27am
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:27am | ! Report

                Wrong again TWAS…..Shock horror again…If he signs anywhere else the Reds have to pay his current contract…as do RA…Now if the Brumbies contribute some money to that contract then the Reds could save some money but QC gets what he is already entitled to….I do however KNOW that you know that

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 11:42am
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:42am | ! Report

                To do that he needs to be released from his Reds contract.

                All obligations are null and void unless a new agreement is entered…

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:06pm
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                Jacko, contracts can be ended or altered by mutual consent. The Reds would not need to pay out his current contract.

                I don’t know the specifics of Quade’s Reds contract, but I suspect it would have to be ended by mutual consent for him to take up an offer with another team.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:10pm
                Jacko said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

                Here we go again…QC is contracted to the REDS…If they move him on they still have to pay him his contracted amount…or share the paying with the SR franchise he went to…..There is no rocket science here Twas as if QC decided to retire then all would be relieved of their monetary responsibilities but apart from that…And that would be rather dumb of QC…..he will receive what he is due…no matter who he plays for as being released from his contract means getting paid out…negotiating a release would all be about negotiating a new deal with another SR franchise and Im sure the REDS would be happy paying part of what he is on rather than all of what he is on

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:15pm
                AndyS said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

                Situation this stupid, you’d almost start to suspect an RA “cunning plan”. If I was him, I’d certainly be very wary that changing team would somehow free RA to renegotiate their contribution.

              • Roar Guru

                May 17th 2018 @ 12:29pm
                Train Without A Station said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

                Jacko continues to double down on his complete lack of understanding of contracts.

                We’ve explained it. That’s it. End of story.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 17th 2018 @ 3:10pm
                Don said | May 17th 2018 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

                TWAS regarding your comment on the Brumbies and Rebels likely not having room in the salary cap unless the Reds still pay some of his wage;

                If this was a stumbling block and the ARU wanted to make it happen, they need only to increase his ARU contract value to offset the difference.
                The player’s ARU contract $ are not included in the SR side’s salary cap calculations.

              • May 17th 2018 @ 12:36pm
                Fionn said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

                Yes, Jacko, if they move him on without his consent they would have to.

                However, it doesn’t seem like that is going to happen. It would have to be by mutual consent.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 10:52am
              RahRah said | May 17th 2018 @ 10:52am | ! Report

              That’s a valid point – There does however appear to be an unfolding agenda with having him move to the Brumbies or Rebels. In the eyes of RA I’m sure a move would solve the present contractual conundrum and maybe spark a revival in Canberra or Melbourne.
              You would have to think that if he decided to move the “powers that be” would smooth the way contractually.

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2018 @ 11:26am
              PeterK said | May 17th 2018 @ 11:26am | ! Report

              TWAS – I hadn’t thought about it voiding his RA contract which in fact is worth more than the reds one.

              If it does then RA would have to offer the same deal to move and I wouldn’t believe any assurances from RA about it, I would want to see the contract in writing first.

              That said I doubt it would void his RA contract since all they require is he is signed to a super rugby team.

              • May 18th 2018 @ 9:07am
                Charlie Turner said | May 18th 2018 @ 9:07am | ! Report

                Peter the salary spilt between RA and the QRU has been reported both both ways but I’m pretty sure the actual share is QRU $650,000 RA $150,000.

            • May 17th 2018 @ 12:53pm
              BBA said | May 17th 2018 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

              Do you think that QRU not meeting any loss that QC might suffer is the reason that is stopping him sign for another side.

              If that is the case why is QC and the other super rugby sides not screaming blue murder. Why would QRU burn money just to keep QC in club rugby, surely they are not that financial that they can deal with the financial and political cost of that move.

          • May 17th 2018 @ 9:21am
            soapit said | May 17th 2018 @ 9:21am | ! Report

            non rugby other factors obviously coming into it id say making him want to stay regardless. article is about cheika putting wallaby selection in as a factor for a move but based on last year its a pretty small card for him to play..

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