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    Sydney Swans superstar forward Lance Franklin has guided the Swans to a 59-point victory against the Dockers on Saturday night at the SCG, propelling them into the top four and back into Premiership contention.

    Sydney jumped Geelong, Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Port Adelaide, climbing from ninth to fourth, gaining eight percentage points.

    The Swans defenders were superb all night, brilliantly lead by Jake Lloyd with career-high disposals (40 and nine rebound 50s) and Jarrad McVeigh, his highest disposal count since 2015 (31 and eight rebound 50s).

    Fremantle, for the second time in a row against the Swans, kicked just one goal in the first half, as the Swans put seven on the board.

    Franklin kicked his second goal of the match in the third quarter, to become the second player to kick more than 300 goals at two different clubs (Hawthorn and Sydney) after Tony Lockett (St Kilda and Sydney).

    The 31-year-old may come under scrutiny for an accidental high elbow hit on Dockers defender Joel Hamling in the second quarter, forcing him from the ground with concussion.

    It took Franklin two quarters to work his way into the match before he looked to be back at his ominous best, kicking a goal and taking five marks in the first half, before exploding to life in the third quarter.

    Lance Franklin Sydney Swans AFL 2017

    Lance Franklin of the Swans (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

    Jake Lloyd was superb in his 100th match for the Swans in their eight-point victory against the Hawks at the MCG in Round 8, backing up against the Dockers.

    The 24-year-old defender racked up 20 disposals to half-time, finishing the match in fine form with 41 disposals and a game-high 15 marks.

    Second gamer Tom McCartin kicked his first senior goal mid-way through the third quarter, from a long shot by Franklin that dropped short near the goal square, before kicking his second late in the game.

    Captain Josh Kennedy spent more time forward than normal, hitting the scoreboard with three goals in his 200th match for the Swans and setting up McCartin’s second goal.

    Despite Fremantle’s possession and disposal in the first quarter, registering seven clearances and 14 inside 50s, they wasted the ball going forward, twice hitting the post.

    Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale and Nathan Wilson were in great touch early and collected a lot of the ball, but found it harder to as George Hewett and Harry Cunningham applied the clamps.

    Swans defenders Jake Lloyd, Dane Rampe, Nick Smith and Heath Grundy collected nine intercept marks between them, with Fremantle failing to kick a goal for the first quarter.

    Veteran Jarrad McVeigh was superb with ball in hand, the equal-highest disposal getter with Jake Lloyd with ten possessions, five marks and four rebound 50s.

    Swans midfielder Isaac Heeney light up the Sydney sky with a screamer late in the first quarter, riding high over red-hot Dockers midfielder Lachie Neale.

    The Swans were off the fast start early in the second quarter, with goals to Lloyd and Kennedy, before Walters mopped up from a Swans turnover – it would more than a quarter before Fremantle would kick their second goal.

    It was all the Swans from then on, even with Fremantle playing their spare at the contest, the Swans rotating Jones and McVeigh as their loose in defence.

    Fyfe willed himself into the contest and worked hard with Lachie Neale, but goals to Isaac Heeney and the returning superstar forward Lance Franklin, extended the Swans half-time lead to 33 points.

    Nat Fyfe

    Fremantle’s fantastic Fyfe (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Franklin burst to life early in the third quarter with Hamling off the field, involved in almost every Swans forward thrust, and setting up Tom McCartin’s first goal in AFL football.

    Despite Fremantle dominating the hit-outs 37-to-5 and clearances 23-to-12 (10-to-5 centre clearances), the Swans dominated possessions, with 52 more at three quarter time and six more inside 50s.

    Walters kicked the third goal of the game for Fremantle just over a minute into the fourth quarter.

    Swans midfielder Luke Parker kicked his first of the game and the Swans first of the last quarter, before an exceptional passage of play by McCartin saw his long range effort bounce into the post.

    Tom Papley kicked his second before Langdon capitalised on a Swans turnover in defence.

    The Swans ran out 59-points winners in the end, winning every quarter, including the last by 6-goals-to-5.

    Next up?
    The Swans are back on the road next week, travelling north to face the Lions and will look to make it five wins from five away games. The Lions are in good form and have competitive in their last month, despite three narrow losses.

    Sydney 3.3 7.4 11.6 17.9 (111)
    Fremantle 0.4 1.7 2.9 7.10 (52)

    Zak Jones suffered concussion in the fourth quarter.

    Franklin 3, Kennedy 3, Papley 2, McCartin 2, Heeney, Sinclair, Hayward, Ronke, Parker, Lloyd, Hewett

    Lloyd, Franklin, McVeigh, Heeney, Kennedy, Parker, Cunningham, Mills

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    • Roar Pro

      May 20th 2018 @ 2:40am
      anon said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:40am | ! Report

      Freo fans relationship to Ross Lyon is similar to that of a fat guy with a girlfriend who mistreats him. Won’t cut her loose because afraid won’t find another.


      • Roar Pro

        May 20th 2018 @ 9:51am
        Downsey said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

        Fans want him gone. The board is a different matter.

        • May 20th 2018 @ 9:56am
          13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:56am | ! Report

          Agree only a few fans such as Don Freo want to keep him. Most think his time is well and truly up but the board don’t want to admit they got it wrong when they signed him on for 5 years….. sigh….

          • Roar Pro

            May 20th 2018 @ 10:03am
            Downsey said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:03am | ! Report

            Yep, the five year contract is the sticking point. Either that or they think if the coach sticks around for long enough odds are in favour of them eventually hitting the jackpot. That approach has worked for a few politicians.

          • Roar Rookie

            May 20th 2018 @ 10:04am
            Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:04am | ! Report

            He’ll be gone at years end, family or betterment of club will be reason given

            • May 20th 2018 @ 10:54am
              Mattyb said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:54am | ! Report

              I’d say most fans want Lyon gone,even at the start of the year it was 50/50 but plenty who still supported him are now having doubts if he’s the right man to take freo forward.
              Let’s not get confused here,the percentage of fans on the internet is a tiny proporation of a clubs fanbase,some websites wouldn’t even be 0.1% of fans.Listen to the opinions but it’s far from being anything even close to a consensus.
              I really don’t get why Pearce or Ballantyne are playing,I’m not for kicking players out to gift games to kids,but they’re simply not performing and haven’t for years now.

        • May 21st 2018 @ 12:23am
          Don Freo said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:23am | ! Report

          Very few fans want him gone. There are 3 fans on this site that repeat that call but that’s all there is. They are not fans. They are critics.

          Most negative calls come from non-Freo people. They have their own agendas.

          • May 21st 2018 @ 12:07pm
            13th Man said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:07pm | ! Report

            I’ve been a freo member since 1995 Don, i’m most definitely a fan but unlike you I don’t blindly follow a coach that has not won a game away from home in 11 months, who doesn’t promote youth and who has wrecked our side by playing dour, defensive and boring football. Say what you like about Connolly and Harvey but at least we played more exciting Football whilst they were in charge!

            • May 21st 2018 @ 12:22pm
              Jonboy said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

              Don and Dalgety will never disclose age or anything ,hide in secret but i know they live in Dalgety or Carrington Street in Fremantle and love Rossie.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 4:16pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

                haha What is this a gossip magazine yet another anonymous internet person?

                So is not disclosing your age better or worse than making stuff up?

                Also, Dalgety is not in Fremantle.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 8:07pm
                13th Man said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:07pm | ! Report

                Haha, is there a Dalgety street in Freo? Or is it in East Freo? I must be getting confused. Carrington Street is Beaconsfield/Hilton not really Freo but not too far away.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 10:20pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:20pm | ! Report

                Yep its in east freo off canning hwy, past the Leo etc

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 11:17pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:17pm | ! Report

                You can live (or not) on Carrington street and live (or not) in Fremantle. It goes all the way the through to (and actually starts in) Palmyra.

            • May 22nd 2018 @ 9:02pm
              bryan said | May 22nd 2018 @ 9:02pm | ! Report

              Connolly & Harvey?
              Were you at the same games as I was?
              I guess if exciting meant getting belted week after week by such (then) cellar dwellers as

              I remember after they dumped Connolly, we hoped for better with Harvey, because he “looked the part”.
              After the next couple of games went the way of all the preceding ones one bloke joked:-
              ” Losing is the new winning!”
              My answer was,”Nah, Harvey is the new Connolly!”

              Ross got us into a Grand Final, where we were beaten by the Hawks, (with Buddy) by 15 pts.
              Not bad for dour, defensive football.

              The next year,, the Swannies ( with Buddy) were massacred by the Hawks ( without Buddy) in the GF.

          • May 21st 2018 @ 4:14pm
            Ben said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

            Wrong. Again

      • Roar Pro

        May 20th 2018 @ 11:40am
        Justin Mitchell said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:40am | ! Report

        Oh that’s harsh. Fremantle should have kicked 4 goals to quarter time. Had they done that, the last three quarters would have been a lot closer.

        • Roar Guru

          May 20th 2018 @ 11:20pm
          Dalgety Carrington said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:20pm | ! Report

          It’s a bit of a predetermined script and quite amusing how he’ll copy and paste it in. He’ll put it the same way no matter the facts. At least he’s had a bit of a try at attempted humour this time. Arf arf.

    • Roar Pro

      May 20th 2018 @ 2:56am
      anon said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:56am | ! Report

      In seriousness though, it’s looking dire for Fremantle long term. They are the next Carlton or St Kilda.

      Sandilands, Mundy, Johnson, Ballantyne are nearly done. McCarthy has regressed under Lyon (as all forwards do).

      By hanging onto experienced fringe players like Pearce or Suban for too long it has denied games from younger players. A lot of these players under 50 games would have over 50 games if Lyon was serious rebuilding from the start.

      Taberner would have close to 100 games if Rossy got serious about rebuilding, Cox, Ryan, Hughes, Blakely, Langdon would have over 50 games if Rossy was serious about a rebuild.

      Instead he’s pumped more games into the likes of 250 gamer D Pearce, 100 gamer Sutcliffe, Suban and so on despite having no real shot at finals let alone a premiership.

      • May 20th 2018 @ 9:57am
        13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:57am | ! Report

        Can’t disagree with any of that anon, it’s pretty sad how far the club has regressed in the last few years and I don’t think Lyon can change!

      • May 20th 2018 @ 10:52am
        Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:52am | ! Report

        I never thought Suban was a fringe player, thought he was pretty serviceable, however it appears to me that Ballantyne has been held onto far to long, he just cant kick and has never been able to, it actually goes back to Auskick coaches IMO, all volunteers, many who never played the game particularly in the cities, you have huge clubs with 300/400 auskickers so you need 40 coaches or so and you have Poms, South africans etc coaching them, no disrespect to them, but the vast majority don’t know the first thing about kicking the ball.

        It is actually the most important age level to teach kids how to kick properly.

        No wonder fans are bemoaning kicking skills in this day and age.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 20th 2018 @ 11:01am
          Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:01am | ! Report

          Ballas won a sandover when peel was a basket case, age is his major problem know not a junior footy coach. Reminiscent of embers before he retired, once great player whose’ fall has been dramatic.

          • May 20th 2018 @ 11:18am
            Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:18am | ! Report

            I have watched him for years and his kicking has constantly let him down, he never seems to settle before kicking when on the run and he seems to nearly kick around corners when he just needs to kick straight through the ball.

            Your strengths may mask your weaknesses, his courage, pace and enthusiasm to take on the opposition mask a serious flaw in his game, i am betting he stood out as a junior and many coaches overlooked or just assumed his kicking would come good or alternatively his kicking was OK for most of the grades he played in comparison to his team mates.

            By the time you are actually playing older competitive footy you just cant change your kicking style.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 20th 2018 @ 11:35am
              Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:35am | ! Report

              Yes you can, jk did.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 11:50am
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:50am | ! Report

                Always an exception to the rule if they did completely change his actual kicking style rather than run up etc

                You would not dream of playing Ballantyne in the back line because of his disposal – so what do they do – make him a forward !!

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 11:57am
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:57am | ! Report

                Darren glass had woeful disposal and was nearly the best defender of his generation, again I say its father time not a junior coach.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 12:29pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

                What ?, it is not father time that makes them kick wonky or bad disposal, it is junior coaching or rather lack of junior coaches who teach them proper techniques.

                That is not a slight on junior coaches who are volunteers but just a fact.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 12:52pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                Statistics to back this? No, then as I said father time is biggest factor not junior coaches.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 1:01pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

                Father time is not responsible for bad kicking all the way through your career, bad technique is, bad technique that starts as a junior and is not corrected or cant be corrected

                Father time is responsible for loss of athletic ability, reaction time and the ability to get to as many contests etc.

                Have a look at Ballantynes kicking technique, perhaps he would have been a better sticking to be a jockey, his legs look bandy enough when he kicks.

                Look at his last impact where he swings his leg out instead of straight looking for more distance but losing accuracy, it is bad technique


              • May 20th 2018 @ 1:28pm
                Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

                Aligee- You are correct on all of your point’s . Ballantyne also is having a major problem trying to get a kick averaging about 4 a game even having a occasional run on the ball. Even his forward pressure is non existent ,Ross is embarrassing himself by continually playing him week after week it can sometimes do wonder’s dropping player’s back to the two’s, but it is to late for Hayden.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 1:53pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                He’s lost athletic ability that highlighted deficiency, as I said father time not junior coach

              • May 20th 2018 @ 2:11pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:11pm | ! Report

                LOL, you are just repeating my first post to you that his athletic abilities masked his deficiency and that is kicking.

                You don’t learn to kick at 15 or 20 or even 10, your kicking habits are formed around Auskick level and sometimes you are taught correct dropping of the ball, most times not, most junior coaches dont have the time and in many cases not great kicks themselves or understand the technique required.

                Jim Stynes had a successful technique but not aesthetically pleasing, but he was a clean slate when taught, Gary Ablett junior is somewhat similar but what they both do is kick straight through the ball.

                My bet is most great kicks are taught by their father or close friend who may be coaching or alternatively just lucky enough to pick it up.

                It is not a slight on Ballantyne, he has forged a successful career without actually kicking properly, he has more than made up for it in other areas and it has been overlooked.

                There are plenty of AFL footballers with dodgy techniques.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 2:20pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

                Was the caps necessary? Really highlights your deficiency to construct a decent argument, YouTube that.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 3:00pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

                Caps ?, what are you talking about ?

                Your last post agreed with my first that his (now) lack of athleticism is highlighting his
                ‘deficiency’ – and we actually know what that is.

                So in effect after a number of posts where you vehemently disagreed with me, your last post backs up my initial claim.

                Yet somehow you still claim i am wrong!!

                Then your first thought is to change the subject and claim something about ‘caps’ and how i should youtube it, like i was somehow insulting you, i have no idea what you are on about.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 3:10pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

                You are really lacking as your main crux was auskick coaches being at fault for poor skills. I rebuked, you started a post with LOL, I came to conclusion you’re a knob easy

              • May 20th 2018 @ 3:59pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

                Ok snowflake, whatever you say – Ballantyne knew how to kick the ball beautifully but has regressed because of father time rather than actually never learning properly when he was a kid.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 4:28pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

                Another who tries desperately to be seen as the ultimate Aussie yet uses rampant Americanisms, top stuff you banana

              • May 20th 2018 @ 5:50pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 5:50pm | ! Report


              • May 20th 2018 @ 5:53pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 5:53pm | ! Report


              • May 20th 2018 @ 5:57pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 5:57pm | ! Report

                K n o b is British origin slang

                How about Drongo instead of snowflake.

                I reckon you qualify for Drongo 100%

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 8:32pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 8:32pm | ! Report

                And your softer than melted Mr whippy

              • May 20th 2018 @ 8:57pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

                Mr Whippy originated in Britain, your not British are you ?, please use Australianisms.

                Perhaps you are a Kiwi, they are known as South Sea Poms.

                Something like your posting is cactus, or i reckon you have a couple of Roos loose in the top paddock etc etc

                get rid of the Pommy stuff, OK digs

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 9:13pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:13pm | ! Report

                I am aware of the Mr whippy origin story.
                You are a fine example of a bigot.
                More Aussie than you’ll ever be Wally woofter.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 9:24pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:24pm | ! Report

                Huh!, now i am a big ot?

                So you call me a wally woofter and then call me a big ot.

                You may need to explain that ?.

                Because by definition you are one making a big oted statement.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 9:27pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:27pm | ! Report

                Keep trying your funny, you probably don’t realise but gee whizz I’m laughing, at you not with you banana.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 9:36pm
                Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:36pm | ! Report

                .I cant recall many more contradictory statements.

                You are not very bright, are you?

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 9:52pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

                Again nice try banana, stick the bottom lip out further and there’s good chance it’ll get annexed as a peninsula

          • May 20th 2018 @ 2:34pm
            13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

            Agree with 6×6. Ballantyne is past it and needs to be retired. Was good for a couple of years but is well and truly passed his use by date. His trademark pressure from 2012/2013 is a thing of the past.

      • May 20th 2018 @ 11:04am
        Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:04am | ! Report

        Anon love the joke, like me you cop plenty but you are 100% right about the rebuild instead of pumping games into D Pearce, Ballantyne, Suban and Suttciffe those kids would be over 50,

        • Roar Pro

          May 20th 2018 @ 3:34pm
          anon said | May 20th 2018 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

          Thanks mate

      • May 21st 2018 @ 12:33am
        Don Freo said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:33am | ! Report

        Look at all the non-Freo people agreeing with the drone!

        Luke Ryan has only been at the club for 31 possible games and was injured for the first 8 last season. That means he was available for 23. How would he have played 50?

        Brennan Cox has also only been here for 31 possible games. How can he have played 50? Blakely and Langdon have only missed games through injury and Blakely is all but there now. Sutcliffe isn’t getting a game, Pearce only gets a game when we have run out of fit players and Suban isn’t on the list.

        Here we have people agreeing with someone who doesn’t even know the Freo squad. Better off just staying with your own clubs. True Freo folk know their players.

      • May 21st 2018 @ 4:04pm
        johno said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

        Yes, gosh darn Ross that Blakely has only got 42 games and not 50 … and his shoulder last year meaning he missed 4-5 games and only playing 1 game in his first year in 2015 when Freo were minor premiers and looking like a finals contender

        And how dare Brennan Cox have played less than 50 games out of a possible 31 he could have played to date

        And Langdon, how Ross didn’t play him last year when he was out injured all year is a disgrace. Obviously Lyon doesn’t know how to coach. Langdon played 10 out of the first 11 last year then Rossy cruelly shelved him and it wasn’t his knee injury…

        Your comments are laughable Anon. I really think you know nothing about football. You expect all Freo players to come straint in and play 50 games when there have been (24+22+22+9) 77 possible games that Blakely, Langdon and Hughes could have played.

        Out of the top 10 players drafted in 2014 only 2 have played more than 50 games and yet you expect rookie listed players like Hughes to have played more than 50? Hughes was extremely raw when he came to Freo having barely played a season at WAFL colts.

      • May 21st 2018 @ 4:14pm
        johno said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

        Here are the players who could have played more than 50 games under ross but haven’t

        Connor Blakely – 42 games out of 77
        Ed Langdon – 33 games out of 77 (injured for 11 games last year)
        Ethan Hughes – 25 games out of 77
        Michael Apeness – 7 games out of 101
        Ryan Nyhuis – 6 games out of 55
        Alex Pearce – 30 games out of 101 – but 2 years out with a broken leg generally does that to you
        Brady Grey – 17 games out of 101
        Darcy Tucker – 38 games out of 55

        8 players, of which 2 have had critical long term injuries (Pearce and Apeness), 2 have barely been available for 50 games (tucker and Nyhuis), 3 have been on rookie lists – Hughes, Nyhuis and Grey and then there’s Blakely and Langdon who should have 50 games up by season end, not bad for 2nd and 4th round draft picks from a season where soe top 10 picks have floundered

        Anon, you do write some garbage

    • May 20th 2018 @ 8:51am
      Swannies said | May 20th 2018 @ 8:51am | ! Report

      Buddy wants another flag. Swans have booked themselves a place the in finals. Hawks need to keep their end of the bargain so we can redeem 2014.

    • Roar Guru

      May 20th 2018 @ 9:26am
      AdelaideDocker said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:26am | ! Report

      Ugh. Not that it’s surprised me, but there’s another wholly sub-standard loss.

      I understand we’ve had a few key injuries, but that doesn’t excuse the limp nature of our performance. Sure, we grabbed a win last week, but it was one of the crappiest wins I’ve seen. There’s something not right about the footy club. I’m more than impressed with the youth, but our level of play since the Derby hasn’t been good, and I’d thank the even more dire Saints for allowing us to keep our head above the water.

      I honestly don’t mean to sound bitter, it’s just I’ve been burnt way too many times by the club. North, the Pies, Adelaide and Carlton are out next four. Not the easiest fixture, but at the very least we should get some players back. But, another loss like this (or worse … the Richmond loss) and that’ll make me conclude we’re stagnating.

      All this has me thinking … I’m genuinely beginning to ponder if a fresher coach might be doing different things with this list.

      • Roar Rookie

        May 20th 2018 @ 9:49am
        Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:49am | ! Report

        Ad- a five goal result would be a pass mark, but watching the game freo lacked anything that resembled structure.

      • May 20th 2018 @ 9:54am
        13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        Who would you insert as a replacement for Lyon, AD? I’d be looking at Schofield from Subiaco or if we could get Kirk back that would be great!

        • Roar Guru

          May 20th 2018 @ 10:07am
          AdelaideDocker said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:07am | ! Report

          I honestly dunno. Kirk would be a good idea. The media seems to he pining for Sumich.

          I wouldn’t sack Lyon mid season though. Just announce an aminicable departure on the Monday after Round 23.

          When would you want him gone?

          • May 20th 2018 @ 10:15am
            13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:15am | ! Report

            Look maybe it’s the British in me and how quick they are to sack coaches in the EPL but in my opinion once you’ve established that a coach shouldn’t continue coaching the following year I see no point in them continuing the rest of the current season. Problem at Freo is I’m not sure if there is any assistant coaches even able to step into the role on a temporary basis.
            I don’t mind Suma but I’d say there are probably better options out there. Schofield would be a risk as he’s untried at AFL level but what he has done at Subi over the last few years is nothing short of remarkable.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 20th 2018 @ 10:22am
              Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:22am | ! Report

              13- how Ross has entered the world of a Alex Ferguson when he is a Micky Arthur is quite bizarre

              • May 20th 2018 @ 2:02pm
                13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

                I compare Ross to Arsene Wenger, years of mediocrity except the board continues to back him. Watch Arsenal have success under a new coach next season and this is coming from a spurs fan.

              • Roar Pro

                May 20th 2018 @ 7:41pm
                anon said | May 20th 2018 @ 7:41pm | ! Report

                Lyon is Mourinho without any of the success.

                Zero success.

                At least what Mourinho does makes sense in a game where 1 or 2 goals are scored in a game.

                Rossy does it in a game where you need to score 15 goals to win.

                Let’s not talk about bounces of the ball.

                2009 and 2010 Grand Final both Geelong and Collingwood were ordinary yet Lyon’s teams couldn’t capitalise because of poor tactics and poor decision-making (leaving Luke Ball on the pine for the second half because he forgot he was there, and Ball subsequently going to Collingwood 2010 and being one of their best).

                If the opposition play poorly and you still can’t capitalise because your teams don’t score more than 8 goals in Grand Finals, then you’re not a good coach.

                If we’re going to talk about ball bounces deciding fate, then a coach as mediocre as Worsfold could have won back-to-back premierships, Sheedy would have won back-to-back 1999-2000, Terry Wallace holds the lead in the 1997 prelim and mop up the Saints the next week becoming a coaching legend, Saints hold their 3/4 time lead in the 2005 prelim Grant Thomas wins a premiership the next week and coaches them for the next decade and so on and so on.

                Saints even squeaked by Western in the 2009 prelim, just beat Geelong in the 2010 QF. Free kick here or there changes the results.

                Enough coulda shoulda. Terry Wallace and Graham Cornes are likely premiership coaches when we talk about the coulda shouldas

            • May 21st 2018 @ 12:39am
              Don Freo said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:39am | ! Report

              Ah, 13th! A pom? That explains it all and means I no longer have to reason with you.

              Complaining is just your form of breathing. I can ignore it.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 12:11pm
                13th Man said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

                I think you’d know via the fact that I also comment on the cricket thread that I do actually support Australia over England. I was born in the UK consider myself an Aussie seeing as I moved over here aged 6.
                Anyway I don’t get what my nationality has to do with Ross Lyon and Fremantle!

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 12:38pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

                Agree 13 country of birth is not important, I know plenty of 10pounders who have lived in Australia longer than UK, are members of either afl team and were gutted when Wilkinson sunk the wallabies. I only watch the round ball every four years but know the rules and can thrust and parry with the most avid soccer fan come next month.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 12:45pm
                Jonboy said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

                Matti i think the Cat is a pom too. I always put my hand up when i am wrong, and i was wrong about the Eagles,great stuff . Go the West. Aussies !!

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 1:09pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 21st 2018 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

                Cheers jonboy, been awhile since I could say wce are an exciting team to watch, list as a whole is in form which does bode well for remainder of season.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 12:50pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

                Good points all round, lads.

                Jonboy, Cat’s an American, by the way.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 1:06pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 21st 2018 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

                Dunno how my sleep patterns will go when Russia comes round, can’t wait.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 1:23pm
                Jonboy said | May 21st 2018 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

                Thank’s fot that AD.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 8:16pm
                13th Man said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

                Cheers fellas, yeah considering I lived in England for 6 years and Australia for about 15 i’d say my loyalties lie firmly with Australia, heck I’ve even lost my British accent, yet come World Cup i’d say i’ll have a foot in both camps despite being firmly pro Australia in Cricket, Rugby etc.
                Can’t see either Australia or England doing much in Russia unfortunately though.
                Anyway back to the Footy!

          • May 20th 2018 @ 10:48am
            Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:48am | ! Report

            AD Not till the end of the year as 13th said the assistants are all very, very ordinary.

            • May 20th 2018 @ 2:37pm
              13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

              Yeah that’s the issue, I’d love to see Ross gone by Tuesday but in reality it won’t happen. Since the likes of Kirk, Chris Scott and Mark Stone all left we really have no senior coach material in our assistant coaches.
              Marc Webb used to coach Claremont I think? Who else is there, Hale, Guerra, Eastaugh, Roger Hayden?

              • May 20th 2018 @ 3:35pm
                Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

                I Doubt Ross would listen to any assistant. The forward coach and the structure are really coming along nicely under Ross .Give credit where due ,the young kids in the Back Half are going OK , but Ross is likely to bring back the old brigade D.Pearce and Spurr before the end of the year,that is his nature but it is the biggest problem ,but he just cannot change.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 20th 2018 @ 3:41pm
                Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

                Came to blows with suma because he challenged him.

              • May 20th 2018 @ 7:25pm
                13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                Yep Suma probably said something along the lines of “hey Ross, why don’t we try attacking for once!”

                Btw 6×6 another awesome performance from your boys, flag favorites for mine now, Darling has gone to another level.

          • Roar Pro

            May 20th 2018 @ 7:23pm
            anon said | May 20th 2018 @ 7:23pm | ! Report

            I wouldn’t sack Lyon mid season though. Just announce an aminicable departure on the Monday after Round 23.

            Why would you let him save face.

            Give him the sack if he’s not performing.

            • May 20th 2018 @ 7:35pm
              Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

              Maybe he want’s a way out.?

              • Roar Pro

                May 20th 2018 @ 7:48pm
                anon said | May 20th 2018 @ 7:48pm | ! Report

                You need a stronger CEO and Board if they are too gutless to apply the pressure.

      • May 20th 2018 @ 10:34am
        Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:34am | ! Report

        AD….you are right about the hurt. What really hurts is Lyon playing Fyfe in the ruck it is simply insane, is he trying to klll him.? If he insists on playing Johnson wear him out first, in saying that he Has to go and be treplaced by a good young player ln Hughes who the coach gave one game which was not good but axed,?Ballantyne is always bad. Lyonl is starting to look as though he wants the sack, like you said maybe a fresher coach.

        • May 20th 2018 @ 10:57am
          Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:57am | ! Report

          I agree – you do not play Fyfe in the Ruck – Lyon should take a leaf out of Roo’s playbook and how he stated he would never play Goodes in the ruck.

          Just crazy.

          I have heard that Lyon is well respected by the players, via a third party who has a son on the list, that was last year – things may have changed – it all gets back to the 3D’s IMO Desperation, determination and dedication.

          If a team has those traits it compensates for lack of ability.

        • May 20th 2018 @ 2:25pm
          13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

          Playing Fyfe in the ruck really is insane. The bloke is even carrying a niggle into the game yet still has to do everything. If this continues your only asking for an injury to our best player.
          Strnadica needs to come in until Taberner is back.

    • May 20th 2018 @ 9:49am
      13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:49am | ! Report

      Same old same old same old….. insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results and that is Ross Lyon at Freo.
      Jonboy and myself amongst others bang on about it week in week out and have been proved right again with another insipid performance!
      You are never going to win a game of Football when Cam McCarthy is your only deep forward and the supply inside 50 is absolutely dreadful!
      Johnson and Ballantyne were once again useless and poor old Crowden seriously needs a rest! Give Strnadica and Giro a run!

      Seriously we were that bad that I switched over to the Royal Wedding at half time! At least Harry was able to score 😂

      • Roar Pro

        May 20th 2018 @ 9:57am
        Downsey said | May 20th 2018 @ 9:57am | ! Report

        I wasn’t that desperate, but I did go clean some litter trays instead of watching the fourth quarter.

        • May 20th 2018 @ 11:00am
          Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

          I started betting on Menangle trots – now that is desperate!

        • May 20th 2018 @ 2:12pm
          13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

          To be fair we turned the Royal Wedding into a drinking game and it became quite entertaining

      • Roar Guru

        May 20th 2018 @ 10:05am
        AdelaideDocker said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        I’m just glad I was blogging the other game last night, which ended up being better than this one!

        Good points all round, 13th.

      • May 20th 2018 @ 10:59am
        Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:59am | ! Report

        Crowden is not up to it or perhaps completely overawed.

        • Roar Guru

          May 20th 2018 @ 11:45pm
          Dalgety Carrington said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:45pm | ! Report

          Or just a young developing player.

          • May 21st 2018 @ 9:59am
            Aligee said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:59am | ! Report

            Well yes he is, but he is already dropped according to the Dockers yesterday saying he needs to go back, that is a pretty quick decision.

            • Roar Guru

              May 21st 2018 @ 10:56am
              Dalgety Carrington said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:56am | ! Report

              Lyon said in his post-match that they actually were thinking he needed some time at Peel in the lead up to the round just gone, but because of the WAFL bye the week before didn’t quite have a solid line on a ready replacement.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 11:30am
                Jonboy said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:30am | ! Report

                Dalgety- i know you will never criticize Lyon bur do you think he should be playing Fyfe in the in the Ruck.??

      • May 20th 2018 @ 11:17am
        Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        13th man your 100% on the mark again, it would be great to see Sumich coach and Schofield assistant, ., ? and Kirk back, unlikely I would think.Voss and Haselby good assistants.Time to move Bond on.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 20th 2018 @ 11:24am
          Mattician6x6 said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:24am | ! Report

          Suma is the man, already has a relationship with key ppl, tactically astute, on record saying he took wa gig to learn how to relate to younger generation, has respect of wafc and above all is a freo area icon.
          Imagine the assistant he could attract, glass is getting a awesome reputation at Hawks after stint at Adelaide, Schofield just keeps getting better, plenty of great wa players live him and will turn in a helping hand.

          • May 20th 2018 @ 11:40am
            Aligee said | May 20th 2018 @ 11:40am | ! Report

            Agree on Suma, is a South Freo boy and well respected.

            Also is a member of one of my favourite teams.

            South Freo Croatian Allstars

            Backs: Jon Dorotich, Darren Gaspar, Travis Gaspar

            HB: Damien Gaspar, Glen Jakovich, Danny Civich

            Centres: Rod Grijusich, Tony Parentich, Otto Santich

            HF: Eric Sarich, Tom Grijusich, Allen Jakovich

            Forwards: Peter Sumich, John Gerovich, Scott Watters

            Ruck: Jack Sumich, Mathew Pavlich, Jack Rocchi

            INT: Ivan Glucina, George Grijusich, Tony Begovich, Dean Ercegovich

            Emergencies: Don, Mark, Andy & Ross Grijusich; Ivan Bartul; Matt & Mark Sambrailo; Budi, Laurie & Joe Sumich: Murray Bogunovich; Branko & Craig Civich; Joe & Nick Silich; David & Terry Lucich; Kym Zubrinich; Frank Lendich; Bob Bucat; Gary Cukrov; Jason, Surjan & Dennis Novak; John Pavlovic; Gary Jakovich.

            * Scott Waters mother is Croatian

            *** you may note Pavlich in there, when drafted from Adelaide he played initially for South Freo, so he is included and the only real ring in.

            • May 20th 2018 @ 4:19pm
              Jonboy said | May 20th 2018 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

              Aligee- Love that South Freo side great memories. About Suban i agree he played a lot of good footy,but like HB and DP when the going got tough in big games or quality opposition they always went missing same could be said for Sheridan,Sutcliffe and Mayne.

        • May 20th 2018 @ 2:04pm
          13th Man said | May 20th 2018 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

          Lyon, Bond, Rosich all have to go, complete clean out up the top is required.
          I’d have no issues with Suma either. Not my absolute first choice, that’s Brett Kirk but still has a good relationship with the players and will at the very least encourage attacking football seeing he was a forward.

      • May 21st 2018 @ 12:42am
        Don Freo said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:42am | ! Report

        You would have missed all the promising marking and movement from Brennan Cox. No wonder you are downcast. Watch the replay.

        • May 21st 2018 @ 12:13pm
          13th Man said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

          Unlike you I don’t get excited by a couple of players showing a ‘bit of promise’. I get excited about results and there isn’t much to get excited about when your team gets pumped by 50 points and only kicks 6 goals in a game of Football!

          • May 21st 2018 @ 5:27pm
            Don Freo said | May 21st 2018 @ 5:27pm | ! Report

            Most teams that only kick 6 goals get pumped by 150points. There is an impressive defence to be pleased about.

            • May 21st 2018 @ 8:18pm
              13th Man said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:18pm | ! Report

              That really is clutching at straws Don, unlike you I can’t get excited about a team that only kicks 6 goals in a game of Football regardless of how many points the opposition kicks. The forward line is completely dysfunctional.

    • May 20th 2018 @ 10:18am
      I ate pies said | May 20th 2018 @ 10:18am | ! Report

      Poor old Fyfemantle. As a Macraedogs supporter I know how you feel.

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