Six hot takes from AFL Round 10

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    Round 10 won’t be remembered for too many matches, but it was the kind of footy that makes you go “hmm”. Plenty to talk about, time for hot takes.

    Dominant Dees underline the frenzied race for finals…
    We’re almost halfway into the season and the race for spots not just in finals but also the top four is still very much up in the air.

    West Coast and Richmond are our top two at the moment and while there’s plenty of footy left to come between now and the end of the year, I don’t think any of us would be surprised if that’s still true after Round 23.

    After that though we’re not too far off being able to throw a blanket over the teams from third to tenth. Any of them is within striking range of finish in the top four – but certainly at least two of them will miss the eight!

    Melbourne are third and have five wins in a row, this week recording a thorough domination of Adelaide in Alice Springs.

    They actually end the round with the best percentage in the competition, after winning their last three games by a combined 269 points.

    On one hand you could ask whether or not they’ve taken a genuinely big scalp so far this season – on the other hand, would any side other than the Tigers or the Eagles qualify as that right now?

    The Crows arguably do (they’re obviously a quality team) and arguably don’t (given all their outs). They had only 14 of their 2017 grand final 22 on Sunday.

    They are 6-4 but must surely be worried that their ever-growing injury list will make this a wasted year. Paul Seedsman the latest casualty, a late withdrawal before the game even began.

    Jesse Hogan

    (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

    …but North sum it up better than most
    Fremantle aren’t exactly rated as a top team this year so it’d be easy to look at North’s Sunday win against them and not be too impressed.

    Not going to say that’s unfair, but it does tick a few boxes – the Roos become only the second interstate team to win at Optus Stadium, and get a rain in the wet under their belts, something we don’t see often for the Etihad tenants.

    I won’t be buying the name-a-game but it was a solid, mature, respectable performance – the kind that finals appearances are built on.

    Maybe it’s a bit too easy for me to see the race for finals through the prism of my own club’s perspective, but I reckon North are as emblematic of it as most.

    Why? Because with a 6-4 record and a percentage of about 120, I reckon this side is every chance of miraculously sneaking into the top four, and just as good a chance of missing finals entirely.

    We know they’ve got a fixture with plenty of winnable games left to come in 2018 (courtesy of finishing so lowly last year), and we know they put in a consistent effort each week.

    Safe to say I’m full of excitement and positive things to say about the Roos. If you’re lucky you might see me write down some of them during the week.

    Jarrad Waite

    (Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Gary’s watch-me game fails to captivate
    Gary Ablett played a pretty dismal game in Geelong’s Round 9 loss to Essendon, and said to his coach Chris Scott afterwards: “watch me next week.”

    Ablett probably didn’t plan for that one to make it out into the media because the end result when it does is that we were all watching him this week, and expecting plenty.

    What we saw was by no means a poor performance: 25 disposals, eight marks and a goal. For most footballers we’d call that a reasonable day at the office, of course, Gary Ablett is not most footballers.

    Last week I expressed my disappointment so far with the Dangerwoodblett combination – I did so not for the joy of criticising an opposition club, but because I’m genuinely a bit bummed that the trio is yet to fire.

    I recognise that plenty were sceptical this combination could reach the heights some such as myself were thinking as possible, but I reckon you’d have to be quite the hardened cynic not to have been at least a little excited about the prospect of watching them play.

    Chris Scott said in his post-game presser that the 28-point win over Carlton was “a horrible game”, and it’s not the first time someone has complained about the quality of games this year.

    Superstars like Ablett and company are what makes the game great, and that’s why it’s disappointing – even for neutral fans – when they’re not at their best.

    I don’t mean to be overly critical of the great man and it’s arguably a bit unreasonable to have such high expectations on him at the age of 34 – of course, it’s a mark of just how much he has achieved in footy that we still do.

    What in particular has been exposed in recent weeks is Ablett’s lack of defensive work. He laid only a single tackle against Essendon, and following his ‘watch me’ comment this was the stat I had my eye on.

    Four tackles against the Blues was an improvement, certainly, but it wasn’t the blow-you-away effort that I was hoping we’d see.

    Do we just have to accept that Gary ain’t what he used to be (and by extension, Dangerwoodblett won’t be what we thought it could)? Maybe. I hope not.

    Gary Ablett

    (Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    The time for Leon Cameron to innovate is long overdue
    After a Round 2 clash with Collingwood saw both teams cop injuries to important players, I wrote that it was time for both Leon Cameron and Nathan Buckley to innovate.

    In that match Collingwood and Buckley lost Darcy Moore (and had lost Ben Reid before the bounce), leaving them bereft of tall options, and things haven’t gotten a lot better in the weeks since as Moore in particular has struggled to stay on the park.

    That along with enduring injury problems for Alex Fasolo and Jamie Elliott forced Collingwood particularly in their forward line to innovate and the effort to find other ways of kicking goals has been very successful, leading them to a 6-4 record.

    As for the Giants, they lost Tom Scully that day and in addition to Zac Williams’ ACL injury it meant two of their best runners have been absent for a long time, worsening the problem caused by Nathan Wilson’s defection to Fremantle at the end of last year.

    Running power has been a key part of how the Giants win games when they’ve been at their best over the last few years but in the two months since that trio has gone down, Cameron has failed to find a new way for his team to fire.

    The Giants could reasonably excuse their form on weight of injuries – they’ve only recently gotten the likes of Josh Kelly and Jeremy Cameron back, and Toby Greene is still on the sidelines. And that’d be fair enough, certainly.

    I reckon though that the last two years have shown us that perhaps the most valuable trait in an AFL coach is the ability to innovate in times of crisis. For a micro-example just consider Nick Vlastuin’s three-goal haul in the second half this week when Jack Riewoldt went down.

    Excuses can be made for the Giants but there is no award given at the end of the year for the team who could’ve won the premiership if fate had been a bit kinder. You know the old expression – winners are grinners, and losers can please themselves.

    Leon Cameron

    (Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Higgins gets Jack from the goal review
    Some coaches have cups of coffee with Gillon McLachlan to talk about problems with the game, and some make their thoughts clear in post-game pressers.

    Well, maybe not all coaches have Gillon’s personal mobile number. Who knows. Whether Damien Hardwick does or not, he picked the latter of two options this week.

    An “embarrassment” is a strong way to describe the AFL’s goal review system but it’s hard to disagree with Dimma after we saw a clear goal from Jack Higgins disallowed this week.

    The only thing of course that could be more embarrassing would be for the AFL to come out the next day and give an obviously flawed decision the thumbs up – so of course that is what they did.

    What has been said since is that the AFL’s policy is to use the vision from further away rather than closer due to concerns that close-up footage could be potentially distorted.

    I’ll admit to not exactly being an expert on camerawork and the possibility of distortion, but it’s worth asking the question as to whether or not a system so remarkably counterintuitive is one that’s worth having.

    As a good rule of thumb I’d say that if literally anyone with two eyes would make one decision and the single person with their finger on their button makes the other, it’s probably not working great.

    I remember learning the simple acronym KISS in seventh-grade music class: Keep it simple, stupid.

    It’s a good one.

    Jack Higgins

    (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Don’t miss Dreamtime at the ‘G
    The AFL’s indigenous round is upon us next week and the round’s signature game, Dreamtime at the ‘G, looks like an increasingly tasty match-up.

    On one hand you’ve got Richmond. They were ripe for the picking this week – a little off their game and missing two players through injury.

    St Kilda, unfortunately, couldn’t take the opportunity that was there in front of them – bringing the effort level that was required, but (aside from Jade Gresham) not the class.

    Where the Saints’ forward line is a misfiring headache at the moment, the same is not true for Essendon. They’ve got a variety of options and even with Joe Daniher on the sidelines they know how to score.

    The Bombers will come into this match with so much positive momentum – they’ve scored two upset wins in as many weeks, and both against opponents that were considered top-four chances this year.

    It has come on the back of a massive lift in their effort level particularly regarding defensive pressure. That’s creating opportunities for the Dons and, as said, they’re a team who knows how to take them.

    Richmond’s last three weeks have been below what we’d expect from the high standards the club set in the end of the 2017 season and the start of this one.

    There’d be no doubt around the club that this one is a danger game, meanwhile at Essendon they’d be full of confidence that this style of footy can beat anyone.

    Match of the week without a doubt. Don’t miss it.

    Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti of the Bombers celebrates a goal during the 2017 AFL round 20 match between the Essendon Bombers and the Carlton Blues at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on August 05, 2017 in Melbourne, Australia. (Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    (Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Quick and nasty
    – Interesting to see Luke Dahlhaus linked to Geelong during the week. I like him, but does he make any sense as a recruit for the Cats? Personally I’m sceptical.

    – Willie Rioli must be thinking this whole AFL caper is pretty easy really. Nine AFL games played for nine wins.

    – Chris Mayne has had his name dragged through the media a lot over the last year and a half, through no fault of his own. Great to see that he’s found a role in this Collingwood team.

    – Seriously hot battle for the All Australian ruck spot this year. Max Gawn? Brodie Grundy? Nic Naitanui? I’m working on a half-way team at the moment and nowhere near a final decision.

    – Tom Boyd and Josh Schache played their first game together on Friday night – they didn’t dominate, but there’s a lot to work with there. Like it.

    – Jayden Short is probably going to single-handedly put an end to any chance we had of seeing Richmond’s premiership 22 play together again (no premiership 22 ever has).

    – Quick thanks to Hawthorn for keeping Jack Darling goalless and giving Benny Brown the chance to put a bit of distance between them in the Coleman Medal race.

    Josh Elliott
    Josh Elliott

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • May 27th 2018 @ 7:18pm
      Kangajets said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

      Good win on the road for the kangaroos

      But freo are looking bottom 4.

      Well done to Goldstein

      • Roar Guru

        May 27th 2018 @ 7:23pm
        Peter the Scribe said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:23pm | ! Report

        The Kangaroos are 5th after ten rounds. Time to take them seriously I’d say.

        • May 27th 2018 @ 7:40pm
          Kangajets said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

          The flag winner is coming from the current top 4 , imo

          But 2019 flag for north ,, I’m starting to believe

          • May 28th 2018 @ 2:57pm
            Rob said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:57pm | ! Report

            Nope. North are a long way off dont let this season fool you.

        • Roar Pro

          May 27th 2018 @ 8:53pm
          anon said | May 27th 2018 @ 8:53pm | ! Report

          North were a genuine bottom 2 team. A lot of people wrote them off for the wooden spoon.

          It’s a remarkable turnaround.

          I think everyone had Fremantle as having the far superior list to North’s at the start of the season.

    • Roar Rookie

      May 27th 2018 @ 7:25pm
      Mattician6x6 said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

      Eagles just keep shaking the monkey off the back, lids still on and doubters will doubt but can’t do anything except keep winning.
      Well done kangas was a dominant win, freo have regressed this season which is worrying when you have best player in comp imho.

      • May 28th 2018 @ 2:46am
        13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:46am | ! Report

        I feel like I’m starting to feel like a broken record when it comes to Freo! The problems are so obvious yet we never see anything change and if anything it’s getting worse. I’ve supported Freo since the start but honestly I’ve never been more disappointed with the club than I am right now. There is just no soul at the club anymore. Lyon has sucked it out.

        And the proof is in the pudding. 37,000 turned up to a 60,000 seat stadium today, the fans are voicing there displeasure. I doubt you will ever see an empty Optus Stadium when West Coast are playing regardless of the weather as they play good, exciting, attacking footy

        • May 28th 2018 @ 9:53am
          Mattyb said | May 28th 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

          The Fremantle situation does seem pretty obvious and it has been ongoing.
          I said at the start of the season that support for Lyon seemed 50/50 but that is diminishing quickly. Most fans still respect Lyon but there’s certainly a feeling things have gone very stale and change is needed.
          People like anon are interesting,he seems to be at the forefront of predictions,something that’s completely overlooked on this site,but he spotted this almost immediately

          With the crowd,the Dockers were never going to sell out 60k like WC,and the crowds are still ok,but if the Dockers keep up their current form I suspect them to continue to drop off.
          There seems to many good players to excuse Freos ongoing performances.

          • Roar Guru

            May 28th 2018 @ 10:43am
            Paul D said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:43am | ! Report

            I don’t see how it could be overlooked Matty he reminds us every post

            And when he isn’t, you are it seems

          • Roar Guru

            May 28th 2018 @ 10:48am
            AdelaideDocker said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:48am | ! Report

            Matty, the thing about Anon is that no matter how “right” his predictions are, he’s soured his reputation by being consistently anti-Lyon, anti-Freo and seemingly anti-football.

            He used generalisations and reactionary statements to provoke a reaction – you’ll notice this whenever he comments on football – and generally likes to reinforce his schtick by copy and pasting his responses on multiple threads.

            I have no doubt he’s got some interesting points, but for mine he’s already cemented himself as an individual who dislikes the sport and for the most part tends to paint himself as some sort of genius, no matter how basic his arguments tend to be.

            • May 28th 2018 @ 10:55am
              Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:55am | ! Report

              Rubbish Adelaide Docker. You blokes in here don’t like Anon, Mattyb and Big Harry because we tell it as it is! if you want to only read positive, Disney comments about your club go the club forums champ! Anon, Mattyb and the big man that is me are the regulators in here. You know Robert Walls is a grumpy old bloke but at least he tells it as he sees it!

              • May 28th 2018 @ 1:14pm
                Macca said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

                To tell is like it is you actually have to say things that are true – the 3 of you rarely, if ever, achieve this low bar.

            • May 28th 2018 @ 11:08am
              Mattyb said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

              Can’t see how someone can sour their reputation by constantly being right. I didn’t agree with the original Lyon call but like many I appear wrong.
              He seems to have a few followers though,which is telling,just a bloke trying to find his place in the world with an uncanny talent for being at the forefront of sport predictions,which seems to upset people who want to hear their clubs the greatest.
              While I’m not a Dockers supporter I am a member who attends their games and they are disappointing.

              • Roar Guru

                May 28th 2018 @ 11:23am
                AdelaideDocker said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:23am | ! Report

                A few followers? What, posters who are on the same threads as him? Nobody follows him, he chooses to post his thoughts on threads which most on here will read!

                Oh, and come on, “uncanny talent for sports predictions” is as ridiculous a thing as I’ve heard you say.

                Also, finally – nobody’s disagreeing that the Dockers are disappointing.

              • Roar Guru

                May 28th 2018 @ 11:26am
                Paul D said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                Can I just say Matty the amount of times you have been on here crying about cliques, cavalry, tears – remember the beige 8 you kept going on about?

                https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/03/13/melbourne-trade-jesse-hogan-2018/

                I spent a lot of time trying to engage anon in a debate in this thread a couple months ago and he absolutely squibbed it. That’s the quality of the man you’re building a statue to.

                My issue has always been with anon’s intellectual process rather than his conclusions. As others said he’s a fraud. He parrots stuff he reads elsewhere and smothers you in repetition of it until people forget he just nicked it from somewhere else long ago.

                Not sure what you expect from people here. Anon can post his stuff and people can reply to it however they like.

            • Roar Guru

              May 28th 2018 @ 11:10am
              Cat said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:10am | ! Report

              Anon has also never had an original thought. Its all retreads that he steals from other people/sources that he falsely claims as his own.

              • May 28th 2018 @ 11:43am
                Mattyb said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:43am | ! Report

                You only need to mention the name and look and how many come running.
                I think we should call his comments Power Comments.

              • May 28th 2018 @ 11:59am
                Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:59am | ! Report

                I agree Mattyb! Anon should do a weekly write up and call it the Power Comments. This would end up being the most read article in The Roar. He at least has the proverbials to call it as he sees it unlike the fluffy posters in here!

              • Roar Pro

                May 28th 2018 @ 3:45pm
                anon said | May 28th 2018 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

                Haha good idea Matty and HTH!

            • May 28th 2018 @ 1:20pm
              13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

              On Freo, Anon is sadly completely correct. I get the feeling he isn’t necessarily anti-freo but anti Ross Lyon and what he has done to Freo and before that St Kilda. Anon is correct in that there is no culture left at Freo.

              Also perhaps unrelated but on Triple M yesterday Andrew Embley said that Harley Bennell may have re-done his calf. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I would have thought another calf would probably be the end for Harley sadly.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 10:58am
            Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:58am | ! Report

            Mattyb Rossy Lyon clearly had his focus on other “budding” matters mate and took the eyes of the ball in the process! My inside mail says Mcguire forgives the matter and will still take him in to replace Buckley. Latest mail says it may well be a direct swap. Buckley to Fremantle, Lyon to Filthwood.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 1:45pm
            Macca said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

            Matthew – “With the crowd,the Dockers were never going to sell out 60k like WC,and the crowds are still OK” So just to clarify 45,585 (Fremantles home game average this so far this year) in a two horse town if OK but 42,657 (Carlton’s home game average) is an absolute disaster?

          • Roar Pro

            May 28th 2018 @ 2:07pm
            anon said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

            People like anon are interesting,he seems to be at the forefront of predictions,something that’s completely overlooked on this site,but he spotted this almost immediately

            Thanks mate. I don’t know why people get so worked up about me expressing opinions. Time eventually proves them to be correct and ahead of the curve.

            • May 28th 2018 @ 4:02pm
              Mattyb said | May 28th 2018 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

              Anon,you can certainly give my doggies a serve but I’m more concerned than worked up given your track record.
              I don’t totally get the worked up thing either,I even had someone begging for a comment on the weekend,which was flattering on one hand but pretty embarrassing on the other.

              Harry,I think a series called Anons Power Comments would be great. No fluff,no fence sitting,no overly exadurated attempts to keep people comfortable or attempts to be popular in the Internet world.
              Accurate sports commentary,it used to actually be a thing. Remember Lou Richards always taking ownership for how often he got it wrong? How times have changed.

              • Roar Guru

                May 28th 2018 @ 4:16pm
                Paul D said | May 28th 2018 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

                Anyone writing an article should be encouraged.

                Harry was a big fan of ‘circle work’ when he was still trying to claim he was an award winning junior coach (that got dropped like a hot coal once he was called out)

                I love too how I’ve written a number of detailed comments pointing out all the lies and untruths some of you have run with in this topic and you’ve ignored all of them

                At this point you are sounding a bit like iraq’s Minister for information. But yes please write an article I’d be keen to read it. Between the 3 of you it would be your first. Happy to give you some tips from the vast experience I’ve accumulated writing several

                The way you lot all crawl over each other maybe you could call it “Harry’s weekly circle jerk”

              • May 28th 2018 @ 4:21pm
                Macca said | May 28th 2018 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

                Matthew – can you please post this “begging for a comment”.

                “Accurate sports commentary,it used to actually be a thing. Remember Lou Richards always taking ownership for how often he got it wrong? How times have changed.” How about you set the example and take ownership of the things you have got wrong?

                Just a few things for starters-
                Casboult to Collingwood
                Gibbs to GWS
                Cripps is going backwards and wouldn’t be in the top 10 of his draft
                Dow is being shown up at the level
                Raynor won’t be taken pick 1
                The blues should have taken Schache at pick 1 in 2015
                McKay is miles off AFL level

              • Roar Guru

                May 28th 2018 @ 4:23pm
                AdelaideDocker said | May 28th 2018 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

                I’m with Paul.

                Seriously, Matty/Anon/HtH – write some articles. On such a user-supported site, articles are seriously encouraged.

                I’m just a kid in uni and I’ve already got 85 published articles (86 whenever this week’s Power Rankings appear). It’s pretty cool writing them, so feel free to encapsulate your thoughts in the form of an article.

              • May 28th 2018 @ 4:27pm
                Macca said | May 28th 2018 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

                I would settle for Matthew to take some of his own advice and treat this “sports website” like he claims he wants it to be treated and discuss sport rather than continue to post the rubbish he does that has nothing to do with the game.

                After all as he said yesterday “Footballs a wonderful sport,so wonderful that it’s hard to imagine that someone would take more interest in fans of the game rather than the game itself?”

              • May 28th 2018 @ 6:24pm
                Mattyb said | May 28th 2018 @ 6:24pm | ! Report

                Macca,I said Carlton had offered a contract to Casboult though?
                Gibbs left Carlton because of the four 4 four deal. He’s at Adalaide instead.
                Cripps is doing ok I acknowledge,but he’s like Bontempelli from my club,overated,he isn’t Martin or Selwood.
                I said Raynor lacks,it was a shallow draft,I’m just going I what I saw at junior level,of course I could be wrong.Lets see how that plays out.
                Schache and Weitering are both disapointing,I don’t see your point there.

                I think a Anon Power Perspective would be great. He never seems to beg for approval.
                I’m a massive fan of football and hope the tragic blues can move beyond being such a loser club,we just have different ideas on how to achieve that,you need to be patient dude.

              • May 28th 2018 @ 8:05pm
                Macca said | May 28th 2018 @ 8:05pm | ! Report

                Matthew – way to own your wrong calls – lie make excuses and ignore.

                If only you had the integrity you preach.

                A couple of your bigger “laughables” – you statedpoint blank Brisbane wouldn’t take Raynor and Cripps is averaging 6 more possessions close to double, clearances, tackles and contested posesssions and more marks than Bontempelli – he is the real deal.

              • Roar Pro

                May 28th 2018 @ 7:31pm
                anon said | May 28th 2018 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

                Thanks Matty.

                I might give it a shot one day.

                I put together one in the 2016/17 off-season about how Sydney were hosed by the umpires in the 2016 Grand Final (complete with time stamps referring specific calls and non-calls). It was all factual, evidence-based.

                Wasn’t approved.

                I won’t go into specifics, but Sydney received one free kick from the halfway point of the 1st quarter to early in the 4th quarter. It just staggers me to this day. In between that you had Western getting all these ticky-tack frees go their way.

                It’s WWE type stuff.

        • May 28th 2018 @ 10:30am
          Jonboy said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:30am | ! Report

          13th man….Full credit, your comments are spot on when it comes to Freo, hang in there .

          • May 28th 2018 @ 12:01pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

            Thanks Jonboy, you have always been a big supporter of the Big Bicep budgie bloke and I know you are keen to lose Budding Boots. I have good mail a direct swap is in place, Rossy Budding Boots to the black and white filth and Buckley to coach Freo. How would that go down with you great man?

            • May 28th 2018 @ 12:30pm
              Jonboy said | May 28th 2018 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

              Yeah i will take that Harry …Your mostly right.

            • May 28th 2018 @ 1:17pm
              13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

              Harry I’d take that in a heartbeat, not sure about pies fans though?

              • May 28th 2018 @ 1:55pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

                Pies fans hate Bucks! They will be glad to see the red faced clown Mcguire unveil Rossy Budding Boots Lyon in a shiny new Holden later in the year! The handshake agreement is in place mark the big mans words, If the Pies miss finals, which they will, there is a handshake agreement with Budding Boots to step in and coach the Filth!

              • Roar Guru

                May 28th 2018 @ 2:26pm
                Peter the Scribe said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

                No thanks 13th! Not that I think Ross can’t coach, more than Bucks is just getting this group where he wants them I’d say. To win one final might be the best the Pies can hope for this year but when you make it, well look at the Doggies from 7th, you just never know.

              • May 28th 2018 @ 5:06pm
                13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

                Hahahah pete, thought as much. I actually quite like Bucks and think he’s doing a good job. I’d imagine the Pies will be too good for us this week over there but hopefully our young guys come in and give a good contest!

              • Roar Guru

                May 29th 2018 @ 8:04am
                Peter the Scribe said | May 29th 2018 @ 8:04am | ! Report

                Take it from me 13th Pies fans never take anything for granted, at my age anyway I have been conditioned to heartbreak. I’m kind of hoping Ross brings the kids in this week so we get an easy one. Weak I know but we need some % as well as the win.

        • Roar Guru

          May 28th 2018 @ 10:42am
          AdelaideDocker said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          To be fair, 13th, I do think we were going along fairly well until the Sandilands injury yesterday. Don’s defence is that the injury ruined the momentum, and whilst we’ll never know whether that’s true or not, it’s very possible.

          That opens a can of worms, though. How can one man being injured ruin the game? The Tigers lost Riewoldt – disrupting their forward line – on Saturday, adjusted and still won. It’s probably an excuse of why we lost, but it’s not a good one.

          I still do support Lyon as coach, but it’s a pretty tenuous situation. Our social media feeds are full of ‘sack Lyon’ fans, and has been for weeks or months. We’ve got Collingwood next week. Honestly, we need to throw caution to the wind and throw in some young players. And hope like hell some return from injuries.

          • Roar Guru

            May 28th 2018 @ 11:06am
            Peter the Scribe said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:06am | ! Report

            I’m hoping the media don’t get stuck into Freo this week AD and fie them up too much against the Pies.This patch of three games (St Kilda, Dogs, Freo) was always going to be so important for the Pies before coming up against the new juggernaut that is Melbourne. (Comparisons of Geelong circa 2007 raised on SEN this morning referring to Melbourne 2018).

            • May 28th 2018 @ 2:24pm
              Mr X said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

              Media (especially in Victoria) don’t give two hoots about freo.
              Dockers doing bad: Normal
              Eagles doing bad: Apocalyptic

            • May 28th 2018 @ 3:11pm
              Rob said | May 28th 2018 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

              I was comparing them to geelong of 07 too… glad to hear experts are saying the same thing!

          • May 28th 2018 @ 11:14am
            Jonboy said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:14am | ! Report

            AD- ‘” Don’s defense is injuries”’ ….It is always injuries as his excuse when we get this bloke back and so on Brad Hill is a loss when he comes back someone else will go down,dreaming of your best 22 is not going to happen that is the nature of the sport get over it .There are clubs way worse.

          • Roar Rookie

            May 28th 2018 @ 11:20am
            Mattician6x6 said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:20am | ! Report

            AD- problem for me is yes Darcy is injured but we all know Sandi is nearing time and it only seems to be a consideration in last two drafts. If kersten is being touted as a long-term defender surely he comes into consideration before Johnson now, mundy is still among your best three mids which at his age he should be cream on the cake not a layer, ballantyne is gone-matera should be making that spot his own atm but can’t.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 12:02pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

            Newsflash AD! Sandilands is 48 years old bloke! Time to move on unit!

            • Roar Guru

              May 28th 2018 @ 12:38pm
              AdelaideDocker said | May 28th 2018 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

              It’s difficult to comprehend how frustrating you are. You’re also blatantly wrong.

              • May 28th 2018 @ 2:21pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

                Adelaidedocker, Paul tells me you’re just a kid with Mum still washing the smalls so I’ll be kind here fella. What’s wrong with Big Harry calling it as i see it? My point with Sandi is not that I really think he is 48 bloke, just making a point he is past it and your side should not be relying on someone that old mate!

              • May 29th 2018 @ 8:37am
                Don Freo said | May 29th 2018 @ 8:37am | ! Report

                The fact he is so reliable means he is not past it. Even your intellectual equal, Jonboy, has worked that out.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 1:28pm
            13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

            I disagree, North really should of put 6 on us early and then Fyfe (surprise surprise) kept us in the game.
            We’ve blamed the injuries of Hill, Taberner, Walters and now Sandi for week and the reason we can’t cover them is because we have no depth.
            Going for Pearce over Giro yesterday was just another WTF decision made by Ross, then after the game says we are committed to youth.

            Next week v Pies assuming Sandi is out makes it very difficult considering they’ve got Grundy. We probably have to bring in Apeness and Strnadica as one on their own won’t be enough.
            Ballantyne for me is the one that has to go but wont, just astounds me how he does absolutely nothing and continues to get games.
            INS: Strnadica, Apeness, Giro, Hughes
            OUTS: Johnson, Ballantyne, Sandi, Pearce

            • May 28th 2018 @ 2:07pm
              Jonboy said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

              Obvious four common sense changes plus Duman and North had good games at Peel on Saturday even Kersten and Sheridan are only 25 played well. .Playing these old guy’s just because there experienced does not add up.They are not doing any heavy lifting they are way past it .They will never be part of finals footy for Freo. Has Ross finally realized.?

              • May 28th 2018 @ 5:09pm
                13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

                We can only live in hope Jonboy, although if as I expect we do bring in the young kids v Collingwood and get beaten is Ross brave enough to continue with them? I doubt it and think after one bad loss with the young kids he will be very quick to bring the likes of Pearce, Johnson and Ballantyne back

        • Roar Guru

          May 28th 2018 @ 11:31am
          spruce moose said | May 28th 2018 @ 11:31am | ! Report

          13th Man

          37,000 is a bloody good attendance for Freo under the circumstances. That would be a near capacity Subiaco attendance.

          Just because the stadium fits 60k doesn’t mean that the club will fill it week in week out.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 1:32pm
            13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

            Maybe so but we’ve been getting around 45 k usually this year for home games and so around 8k less means a lot of people are pretty unhappy with the way things are going.
            I don’t expect as much as West Coast.

            • May 28th 2018 @ 3:15pm
              Rob said | May 28th 2018 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

              West Coast fans will turn up even in a down year because their team has a REAL crack and they know when they play at home they will be rewarded with a competitive performance at worst.

              • May 29th 2018 @ 8:43am
                Don Freo said | May 29th 2018 @ 8:43am | ! Report

                In that storm, the 10,000 seats exposed to rain would be empty for any team.

                What a ridiculous line of criticism. Even sillier is the doom and gloom. People with an open mind saw a good game.

    • Roar Pro

      May 27th 2018 @ 7:27pm
      berrlins said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

      great win by North, good game played by Carlton. after watching the tripe the Dogs served up on Friday it was good to watch Carlton push Geelong and give a decent contest. As young as the dogs are some of their forward fifty efforts are pathetic.

      • May 28th 2018 @ 8:52am
        I ate pies said | May 28th 2018 @ 8:52am | ! Report

        Their whole second half was pathetic. They have a real lack of skillful players, but there’s no excuses for dropping off like that. That’s the third time this year that they’ve given up. It was hard to tell watching Channel 7’s god-awful coverage (with the commentators too busy looking for new superlatives to describe footy we see every week), but every now and then you got a glimpse of a wide view and their players were just stagnant. There’s a real problem with application at that footy club.

    • May 27th 2018 @ 7:39pm
      Neil from Warrandyte said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:39pm | ! Report

      I agree with your KISS view on the goal review system. Was meant to eliminate the howlers.
      Replaying footage over and over again to look for a bent finger nail after a player claims to have touched the ball is absurd, especially if it’s inconclusive and against both field and goal umpire’s original decisions.

      • Roar Guru

        May 28th 2018 @ 9:28am
        JamesH said | May 28th 2018 @ 9:28am | ! Report

        This is reminding me of DRS. The fault isn’t with the system – which, while imperfect, is designed to accommodate the limitations of the technology used – but with the ridiculous implementation of it. If you aren’t sure, go with the on-field call. It really should be that easy.

    • May 27th 2018 @ 7:49pm
      Matto said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:49pm | ! Report

      Why wouldn’t you pick 2 ruckman in your half way AA team?
      The best team so far this year plays 2.
      Grundy has had some amazing games.

      • May 28th 2018 @ 1:58pm
        13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

        Grundy and Stef Martin would both make my current AA side if I was picking one right now, they’ve both been excellent and Martin is actually criminally underrated.

        • Roar Guru

          May 28th 2018 @ 2:00pm
          Paul D said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

          I’ve given up trying to push Stef Martin’s credentials, like zorko if he played for a victorian side they’d be all over him, but no-one cares because he plays for us.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 2:36pm
            Jonboy said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

            Clearly true, along with talented Hipwood, Andrews and others they are turning the corner. They obviously have a astute and smart coach and if Hodge stays as a assistant to him next year i can see them in finals very soon.

          • Roar Guru

            May 28th 2018 @ 2:42pm
            JamesH said | May 28th 2018 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

            I will freely admit that I completely forgot about Martin. I was trying to decide whether I would have Naitanui or Gawn alongside Grundy as the AA ruckman right now.

            Hadn’t even considered Stef, which is ridiculous, considering how good he is.

          • May 28th 2018 @ 5:13pm
            13th Man said | May 28th 2018 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

            Paul in all honesty love what’s happening up at the Lions, I know that the results haven’t gone your way but I see more positives with whats going on up at Brisbane than what is happening at Freo right now. At least you guys are tracking in the right direction!

            Agree on Stef, I said the same thing about Luke McPharlin for years, would’ve been much more highly rated at a Vic Club!

    • May 27th 2018 @ 7:56pm
      Mattyb said | May 27th 2018 @ 7:56pm | ! Report

      Highlight for me this round was the Bombers. They were rightfully being criticised but have bounced back well over the last few weeks with some solid performances. Essendon have seemed to have moved into this backs to the wall kind of club over the last few seasons,and I like it. Shaking up the football department has also proved to be a good decision.

      In the middle of the ladder North and Collingwood continue to impress despite some harsh criticism leading into the season.

      Fremantles season seems to be shaping up as disappointing,thought they might have got over the line at home this week.

      • May 28th 2018 @ 10:59am
        Harsh Truth Harry said | May 28th 2018 @ 10:59am | ! Report

        Top comment of the week Mattyb! At last someone in here calling out the fluffy posters and saying what he thinks!

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