Chiefs conquer Brumbies 24-19

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    The Chiefs have beaten the brave Brumbies 24–19 in Hamilton in a bizarre game that had periods of huge frustration as the error count rose and rose but then periods of incredible excitement as both sides battled hard for the win.

    Ahead of the game there was a lot of talk about the momentum that the Brumbies were bringing into this game and how their great win over the Canes last week should be seen as a clear indication that they were a team that couldn’t be underestimated.

    For about 60 minutes or so though the Brumbies were their own worst enemy. About 19 errors in the first half alone was understandably a big issue and the visitors found it hard to turn any sort of possession into genuine pressure.

    At the same time the Chiefs were looking slick – they were able to handle what the Brumbies did throw at them with relative ease and then Damian McKenzie was in some great form and seemed eager to have a great night.

    His pace has always been hard to deal with but this season he’s added some new qualities and better decision making as he’s taken on the full time No.10 role.

    His try was a great example of his value to the team. The Chiefs had already scored once and had started a nice attack from deep inside their own half.

    A nice offload from Sam Cane gave McKenzie some space and he screamed through a gap and into the Brumbies back field.

    He was tackled but not only did the move keep on going, he then got himself up and chased down the play 20m ahead of him and got into position to take the key pass and score the try.

    It was rugby at its simplest in many ways – always support the play – but it demonstrated how crucial McKenzie is as he creates and finishes for the Chiefs.

    At half time the Chiefs were out to a 17-0 lead and the Brumbies really hadn’t fired a shot in anger.

    Even though the Brumbies were able to score relatively early in the second half, they still looked a bit wayward and when the Chiefs turned a great attacking opportunity into an intercept, 80m run and eventual try, the game and the season looked all over for the Canberra side.

    The key turning point was a rush of blood to the head for Jesse Parete in the 65th minute – he put in a late and high hit on Lucas as the No.9 passed away from a lineout and the ref’s decision to give the young Chief a yellow card was an easy one. It was totally unnecessary and almost cost his team the match.

    The Brumbies came to life and scored two tries in this 10 minute period and got themselves right back into the game.

    They needed just five points in the final minutes and a game that had been bumbling along to a predictable easy win for the Chiefs was suddenly all up for grabs.

    Unfortunately the Brumbies just couldn’t close the game out and while they will feel aggrieved with a referee decision that gave possession to the Chiefs and the chance to end the game, the reality is that they left too much to do til too late.

    Brumbies fans will be both pleased and so frustrated. In the past few weeks the Brumbies have shown real grit and talent and have demonstrated the type of rugby that had many experts predicting they would win the Aussie conference. Why have they left it so late many will be screaming!

    The Chiefs got the win and that’s important but they would have wanted that to be an easier win for sure.

    The good news is that key players are looking good – McKenzie, Charlie Ngatai, Cane and Brad Weber had good games and there is still the hugely important Brodie Retallick to come back.

    The Chiefs play the Canes next week in what should be a great clash while the Brumbies could still have a say in the finals if they can upset the Tahs next week.

    Final score
    Chiefs 24
    Brumbies 19

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    • July 7th 2018 @ 10:08pm
      double agent said | July 7th 2018 @ 10:08pm | ! Report

      Just saw JPR Williams at Wimbledon. Looking pretty good for an old bloke. Still got the mutton chops!

      • July 8th 2018 @ 12:33am
        riddler said | July 8th 2018 @ 12:33am | ! Report

        dr jpr!!

      • July 9th 2018 @ 4:00am
        Ridzenieks said | July 9th 2018 @ 4:00am | ! Report

        Got tackled – gently – by JPR in a charity match well back in the 20th century. It was a time when Wales was aburst with great rugby players.

    • July 8th 2018 @ 12:29am
      double agent said | July 8th 2018 @ 12:29am | ! Report

      I don’t know how much David Pocock is getting paid but whatever it is he’s earning every cent. He’s obviously an outstanding player but jeez he cops a lot of off the ball attention. I’d say he’s a tougher Greenie than all the other Greenies combined.

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        July 8th 2018 @ 7:57am
        taylorman said | July 8th 2018 @ 7:57am | ! Report

        Its called the McCaw effect, keep popping your head in dark places and something going to bite at some point.😀

    • Roar Rookie

      July 8th 2018 @ 7:59am
      Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 7:59am | ! Report

      Really close game. Exciting to start with where the Chiefs converted every chance and the Brumbies were getting themselves into scoring position but were their own worst enemies with poor decisions and especially ball security. Some good lead up work and go forward when they kept the ball in hand though, so a strong platform to work on for the week. A few self inflicted HIAs didn’t help their cause with more damage done to themselves than anything the Chiefs could do.

      Brain snap by Parete, no excuse and careless. Could almost have cost the game and I’m he received some words about it. It was careless and clumsy. The clumsyness was his saving grace to a degree, as potentially if he had excuted it bettter, he may have had an early shower on his own.

      Quite a few things by the refs both ways, so more insistence required. Some people will naturally focus on the last call or just the calls against the Brumbies, but the truth is there were far more during the match that were not called or called wrong to single out one call as costing the game. The ‘forward pass’ to deny the first Brumbie try, the Brumbie knock on at an attacking line out (53rd min I believe). Cynical shoulder charge into the Cheifs #20 as he was pinned in Rick earning a penalty. Was that ball out of the ruck or still in, for the chiefs first penalty? The point being the consistency wasn’t there and a lot of calls were confusing or completely missed. Consistency is all we are all after I guess.

      Both teams had to play under the same ref and the same conditions and had the game been another 5 or 10mins the ledger may record a different result. Unfortunately it felt like the Brumbies just ran out of time in their season and left too much to do on the field.

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        July 8th 2018 @ 9:54am
        PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        add in the shoulder / swing arm to the head of pocock at the bottom of a ruck by Cane.

        • Roar Rookie

          July 8th 2018 @ 10:42am
          Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          Missed that one. I did see Messam clean him out in a ruck which laid him on the ground for a while. The ref did miss a lot, and it wasn’t just one sided though. To be fair and balanced.

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            July 8th 2018 @ 11:00am
            PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

            the ref did miss a lot, as did the tmo

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            July 8th 2018 @ 1:16pm
            PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

            agree the ref missed a lot on both sides, and imo that wasn’t the worst part of his reffing.

            A lot like Briant last week the ref gives a warning for constant infringing yet when they infringe again (3 times in the 22 and another mid field not rolling away) still doesn’t follow through and yc.

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              July 8th 2018 @ 6:47pm
              Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

              I think for some refs once they give a warning and then the attacking team score a try, it ‘resets’ the warning. Justin Marshall was commenting on that last night that if it’s a warning and they infringe again, regardless of the other team scoring, it should still be a binning. I can see why the refs would reset it, but can also see why they shouldn’t. Maybe some standardisation needs to come into it, like 3 penalties within the 22 is team warning, next one in the 22 is carded. Resets the count, but you get the warning off one penalty, then a card. Might help open the game up and stop all teams deliberately slowing the ball down and other technical stuff, which all teams do.

        • July 8th 2018 @ 11:03am
          Jacko said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:03am | ! Report

          What did he miss peter? Your lovely negative blanket comments are so easy to write as no proof ever required eh

          • July 8th 2018 @ 11:58am
            Bakkies said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:58am | ! Report

            Jackie it is not hard to miss a Sam Cane shoulder charge to the head.

            • July 8th 2018 @ 12:11pm
              Old Bugger said | July 8th 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

              The ref, his ARs and the TMO did tho’……but, what else is new??? It seems some refs get over-zealous with their decision making while some even forget, they have a whistle at all……last night was no different.

            • July 8th 2018 @ 6:47pm
              Jacko said | July 8th 2018 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

              Baggies thanks for pointing out which minute for me…..cheers…much appreciated

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                July 8th 2018 @ 6:51pm
                Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 6:51pm | ! Report

                Be keen to know when it happened too. The only really solid hit I saw was Messam which was a hard hit but ok. Sat him down for a bit. Watched the game twice to go through and get the timings for some the illegal stuff the Brumbies did as I figured there would be a lot of ref whinging after this one too. Happy accept that Cane got him, keen to see it, so time would be appreciated if anyone else actually saw it?

    • July 8th 2018 @ 8:30am
      Cynical Play said | July 8th 2018 @ 8:30am | ! Report

      OK, I’ll say it. The Brums were robbed. Every fan at home and the commentators could see that Chiefs hand knocking the ball forward as the Brumbies were moving toward the line. They were within striking distance and the TMO failed and the ref failed to have a look at such a crucial error. Should have been at least scrum to Brums or a penalty for a knock forward by Chiefs.

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        July 8th 2018 @ 8:54am
        Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 8:54am | ! Report

        Converted try to win with no time left is hard to say they were robbed. Was a miss by the ref though and should have had a penalty and been able to give it a crack. A number of calls missed by the ref as I said above, so it’s tough to focus on just that last one. Swung both ways though.

        • July 8th 2018 @ 6:52pm
          Jacko said | July 8th 2018 @ 6:52pm | ! Report

          Paulo can you tell me what the laws are re the knock-down by the chaser from the Dmac intercept? When Webber try’s to pass it back to Dmac the chaser deliberately knocked it down and it was in a try scoring opportunity with the line wide open…..In a normal situation that is minimum yellow but just like the other incident it was not looked at.

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            July 8th 2018 @ 11:06pm
            Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:06pm | ! Report

            I think he knocks it back so it is ok. If it went forward then yea, yellow card. Would have to rewatch to confirm. Brumbies did get away with a few really obvious knock ons though. There was one on the lead up to the knock on they did over the try line when they bombed one try. And another, I think around the 53rd min? From an attacking line out, really obvious one that one.

            • July 9th 2018 @ 8:10am
              Old Bugger said | July 9th 2018 @ 8:10am | ! Report


              Your last example was the lineout before they scored a try. Arnold drops the ball cold during a pick-n-go right in front of the ref who signals for play to continue. Everyone says the ref missed the knock-on in the 80th minute (which he did….) but conveniently forget, Arnold’s drop. One miss led to a try while the other, led to the final whistle. As I said before, consistency is what we on the sidelines are missing and I’m not talking about, the players.

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                July 9th 2018 @ 11:45am
                Paulo said | July 9th 2018 @ 11:45am | ! Report

                Yea, Geoff covers that in his wrap which I liked, the inconsistency of the criticising for inconsistency. Both of the knocks were missed and should have been picked up. Along with a few more from the game. I get frustrated when single misses are singled out and focused on. Even just one miss effectively changes the course of all future events that occur after it, so a miss in the 2nd minute is as important as a miss in the 80th. It’s an easy trap to fall into to say if that last call had been made it could have been a different result, but equally if any of the calls were made that should have been it could have been a different result.

      • July 8th 2018 @ 8:54am
        Bing said | July 8th 2018 @ 8:54am | ! Report

        Yeah the Brumbies rolled all the way to the Chiefs 22 from deep in their own half for a referee to get pig headed and not take a look further on the potential game deciding last play of the game.
        I noticed there was conveniently no check check checking from the TMO on a potential intentional knock on? What a joke.

        • July 8th 2018 @ 9:03am
          Jerry said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:03am | ! Report

          An intentional knock on isn’t Foul Play under law 9 – I’m not even sure the ref or TMO can check it.

          • July 8th 2018 @ 9:14am
            Fionn said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:14am | ! Report

            Pretty sure I’ve seen referees refer it to the TMO in the past.

            Remember even TJ Perenara convincing the referee to check it against the Reds or Rebels or whoever it was.

            • July 8th 2018 @ 9:17am
              Jerry said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:17am | ! Report

              Yeah, I’ve seen them check but I’m not actually sure if they’re allowed to.

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                July 8th 2018 @ 9:34am
                Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:34am | ! Report

                I think that was to see if it was deliberate knock on or attempted intercept. Slightly different to checking who knocked on first. Subtle difference but I think that’s we where we are at these days. Need to sort out the role of the TMO, seems we all want them less involved until it comes down to a call for our own team, then we want them in the refs ear like a siren.

              • July 8th 2018 @ 9:43am
                Jerry said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:43am | ! Report

                “deliberate knock on or attempted intercept”

                But neither of those would be able to be checked under the TMO protocol wording, that’s the point.

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                July 8th 2018 @ 9:52am
                PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:52am | ! Report

                Jerry – There is a catch all under law 9 foul play.

                A player must not:
                Intentionally infringe any law of the game.

                So if the TMO thought the infringement was intentional it comes under foul play.

              • July 8th 2018 @ 10:38am
                Jumbo said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:38am | ! Report

                Yes and it eas obviously not intentional, that ball wasn’t going to anyones hand.

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                July 8th 2018 @ 10:44am
                Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:44am | ! Report

                Didn’t look intentional, looked like trying to get it genuinely. So doesn’t really fall into foul play. We have had this discussion about something like this being ‘foul’ play before. It’s tough when and where the TMO can or should step in.

              • July 8th 2018 @ 10:58am
                Bing said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:58am | ! Report

                It looked intentional to me. So I guess it’s which side of the fence you sit on. So in my opinion that justifies it being checked.

              • Roar Rookie

                July 8th 2018 @ 11:10am
                Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:10am | ! Report

                Yea, fair enough, and highlights the problem of the intercept/deliberate knock on rulings. The issue is the ref ruled the Brimbies knocked it first, so with that assumption it’s irrelevant if it was delibrate or not. It’s all academic anyways.

                I did hear RA was seeking clarity and a review from WR in regards to the TMO and how it can/should be used.

              • July 8th 2018 @ 2:49pm
                Jerry said | July 8th 2018 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

                Yeah, I know that provision Peter – but it does seem to use that to include other offences that are outside of Law 9 is skirting the law. Seems to me that provision is basically a catch all to cover intentional offences that aren’t covered elsewhere – eg something like the Harlequins blood capsule scandal for instance. Using it to include an offence that is specifically not contained in Law 9 seems to be against the spirit of the TMO protocol that provided express limits on what could or couldn’t be ruled on.

                That said, it does happen fairly often so it wouldn’t be inconsistent. I’m just not sure it should be used that way and considering the debate on how intrusive the TMO can be, the fact that it’s basically being used to cover things that probably weren’t envisaged as being covered seems interesting.

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                July 8th 2018 @ 3:43pm
                PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

                Jerry – Oh I agree, and as discussed before the foul play law is far too wide and provides the tmo to go back until a set piece has occurred.

                The use of the TMO and when he can interject should be tightened up.

                How do you prescribe allowed interjection for when the ref makes howlers? Mind you in the case at point there was already a break in play with the scrum so if they rewrote the protocols the tmo could tell the ref he probably has it wrong and should look at a replay.

          • July 8th 2018 @ 12:01pm
            Bakkies said | July 8th 2018 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

            Yes they can Jack McGrath got a yellow for doing that in the 2nd test.

            • July 8th 2018 @ 7:10pm
              Jacko said | July 8th 2018 @ 7:10pm | ! Report

              Tom Banks didnt even get penalised for knocking down Webbers pass back to Dmac after the intercept

      • July 8th 2018 @ 9:13am
        Fionn said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:13am | ! Report

        We weren’t robbed. It was an unfortunate call at the end, but even if we were awarded a penalty we would surely have been 50-50 to score in the last play at the end.

        Really impressed with Banks especially. Him chasing down McKenzie and stopping that intercept try was fantastic.

        Lots of positive signs, we just need to improve at converting our chances. But who will be our 12 next year? Will Hansen play at 10? Hawera is starting to improve, will be play at 10 with Lealiifano at 12? I do wonder.

        • Roar Rookie

          July 8th 2018 @ 9:36am
          Paulo said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:36am | ! Report

          Banks did have a great game, I got frustrated when they kept kicking it to him. Was well impressed with that chase on Dmac, not many around who haul him in, especially with the head start, and then to shut the whole down too. Huge effort.

        • July 8th 2018 @ 2:24pm
          Yenda Ad Enthusiast said | July 8th 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          Got Nothing against Hawera, but Aus rugby needs Aussie rugby players if we want to be stronger.Give younger guys a go, he’s never going to be a wallaby and so investing more into him ,when all he was only really there due to CL’s illness and shore up the 10 depth, is futile and time wasting. Lack of 10’s is our crux right now, and it starts at NRC and Super Rugby Level. On that what ever happened to Sam Greene? And replacements for Hawera are Hansen and Jackson-Hope are they not? How have they gone playing 10? Maybe bring Mack Mason across given he might be unhappy at the tahs? Just thinking over here.

      • July 8th 2018 @ 9:26am
        Mpm said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:26am | ! Report

        If the Brumbies were better the ref wouldn’t have been a problem. The Brumbies won most of the stats including penalities but turned over more than twice as much as the Chiefs. That’s why they lost.

        If they had made the playoffs it would have given a false endorsement to the average rugby they are producing with an average team and an average coach.

      • July 8th 2018 @ 9:28am
        P2R2 said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:28am | ! Report

        wow ROBBED, and BRAVE…LOSERS…is this what Aus rugby has come to…???
        They got beat – end of story, end of season….

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          July 8th 2018 @ 11:02am
          PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:02am | ! Report

          actually not the end of season yet

      • July 8th 2018 @ 10:06am
        Mapu said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:06am | ! Report

        No the ref was right there and saw it right.Were you there Mr We was robbed typical poor loser.Get a grip.Your team got beat by a better team.

        • July 8th 2018 @ 11:00am
          Bing said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

          There must be something wrong with your eyesight. It clearly touched the Chiefs player’s hand first.

          • July 8th 2018 @ 3:23pm
            Mapu said | July 8th 2018 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

            Clearly not eh

          • July 8th 2018 @ 7:00pm
            Jacko said | July 8th 2018 @ 7:00pm | ! Report

            No where near as clear as Banks stopping the Dmac intercept try with a deliberate knock-down from the Webber pass…that was very clear and yet no one saw it…including the ref and TMO…..And no I am not whinging, I am just trying to point out other incidents which refs can miss in the heat of the moment….I thought the Ref was very good in the way he let some scrums collapse without pulling up play and also how he warned players not to do something, then when they stopped doing it he didnt penalise….I get sick of Refs telling a player to let the ball go when over the ruck and they do it but then the Ref penalises them anyway…He missed a few things but he also contributed to a very fast open game which was great

        • July 8th 2018 @ 1:00pm
          Cynical Play said | July 8th 2018 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

          Not my team MAPU you goon. Quite simply a knock on by Chiefs and Brumbies should have got the scrum 20-15m out for a great attacking opportunity. They had all the momentum, so would have been a good change to score the winning try. But no….Ref made an error and would not listen to the players who saw what actially happened.

          MAPU you strike me as bitter type.

          • July 8th 2018 @ 7:03pm
            Jacko said | July 8th 2018 @ 7:03pm | ! Report

            Nah he is a Lager man surely…not bitter

            • July 8th 2018 @ 7:11pm
              Mapu said | July 8th 2018 @ 7:11pm | ! Report

              Bintang today bro…loving life

    • July 8th 2018 @ 8:59am
      Sinclair said | July 8th 2018 @ 8:59am | ! Report

      Enjoyable game, very intense and whilst the ref made some very poor calls, I felt the Brumbies simply were not quite as slick as the Chiefs. The coach and the team have progressed across the season, despite lacking key back line pieces. halfback has been a problem all season – Powell looks a fine prospect but his form has been very inconsistent and if I had to pick a turning point in this game it would be his awful pass that cried out intercept, leading to a 14 point turn around. When Lucas was given starts his excellent bench form deserted him. Christian L is a sound 10 but when he plays there 12 tends to be a problem area. When CL plays 12 (where he is excellent), 10 has been a problem. If they can recruit into 9, 10/12 I see no reason why 2019 won’t be a much better year.
      Thought Banks and Kuridrani stood out in the backs. Whole forward pack were superb in a match of near terrifying collisions.

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        July 8th 2018 @ 9:57am
        PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 9:57am | ! Report

        Powells pass to McKenzie was a special he learnt from Foley throwing so many intercepts. 🙂

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      July 8th 2018 @ 10:01am
      PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:01am | ! Report

      Very interesting with the over night results is that Brumbies CAN still make the finals.

      They need to beat the tahs with a bonus point, and the highlanders beat the rebels and make up a points differntial of 23 points.

      Also have the jagueres beat the sharks.

      Brumbies have the game to beat the tahs.

      Brumbies have really improved but I doubt they have the game to win by 3 tries as they need.

      Rebels can make the finals even if they lose to the highlanders if the jagueres beat the sharks and brumbies don’t win with a bonus point. If they beat the highlanders away they make the finals.

      • July 8th 2018 @ 10:43am
        Pinetree said | July 8th 2018 @ 10:43am | ! Report

        I would say that IF the Brumbies earn a BP win against the Tahs, that that points diff should be cut down too, combined with a win from the Highlanders over the Rebels.

        Good catch Peter, the Brumbies form has certainly picked up in recent games, and they do still have this slim hope.

        As you said in another thread, the final 8 will most likely not be decided till the last game between the Jags and sharks. Only way the top 8 will be decided earlier, is if the Rebels beat the Highlanders, and even then, the final game may still have a play in the order of the top 8, as the Jags could sneak past the Highlanders and Rebels.

        • July 8th 2018 @ 11:00am
          Pinetree said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

          There could also be a scenario where the Jags still top their conference too, if the Jags win and the Lions lose to the Bulls.

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            July 8th 2018 @ 11:05am
            PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:05am | ! Report

            also tahs if they win they get 2nd spot if they lose then it depends on the lions losing.

            Cheifs if they beat the canes with 3 tries could also get 2nd in conference which means a home game against the canes.

            A lot to play for in the final round.

            • July 8th 2018 @ 11:09am
              Pinetree said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:09am | ! Report

              Only problem for Chiefs, is that they are 44 points behind in differential, but as you say, a lot to play for in the final round!

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                July 8th 2018 @ 11:15am
                PeterK said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:15am | ! Report

                44 points is not much since they are playing the canes.
                Every point they beat them by is doubled i.e they only need to beat the Canes by 22 and considering they have to win by 3 tries that would be close to a 22 point win any way.

              • July 8th 2018 @ 11:18am
                Pinetree said | July 8th 2018 @ 11:18am | ! Report

                True Peter, I somehow missed that logical fact that every point the Chiefs gain, the Canes lose one as well!

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