Force keeping faith in World Series Rugby

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    Western Force skipper Ian Prior is confident there will be a World Series Rugby competition next year, saying the players are keeping the faith in billionaire Andrew Forrest.

    The Force’s future looked bleak when they were axed from Super Rugby at the end of last season.

    But Forrest revived the franchise with the launch of World Series Rugby, and he has big plans for the future.

    The Force have played four exhibition games in front of big crowds so far this year with another three games to come.

    But the true test will come next year when WSR converts into a proper competition format featuring up to eight teams from the Asia Pacific region.

    Organisers hope to announce further details shortly after the August 17 clash between the Force and the Panasonic Wild Knights at nib Stadium.

    As it stands players are still in the dark as to the finer points of what WSR will look like next year.

    But Prior said the players weren’t in any doubt it will go ahead.

    “We’ve been getting some feedback that next year is going to go ahead,” Prior said.

    “We should have some more clarity over the next couple of months.

    “But from what we’ve heard, there’s been some encouraging signs with discussions … with other teams.

    “The positive signs are there. We’ve just got to keep our faith in them, and make sure we keep working hard on the field.”

    Prior said the players were comforted knowing they had Forrest backing them.

    “It was a leap of faith (from the players) coming here to start with,” Prior said.

    “But you’ve seen how quickly World Series Rugby has come together.

    “And seeing how involved Andrew is and how keen he is to get the whole World Series Rugby off the ground and running as the premier competition in the world is quite exciting.”

    The Force will be back in action on Saturday night when they take on a Samoan representative side at nib Stadium.

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    • July 10th 2018 @ 7:28am
      tc said | July 10th 2018 @ 7:28am | ! Report

      I’ve been following WSR from Christchurch, and look forward to what you West Australians have in stall for us next year.

      • July 10th 2018 @ 6:48pm
        Rugger said | July 10th 2018 @ 6:48pm | ! Report

        What on earth’s name is World Series Rugby ???

        When are people going to realise this is good money being thrown at a lost cause. If Twiggy had any foresight he’d be investing in Victorian rugby or the states where rugby players actually come from.

        Wake me up when the tournament has been wound up. Zzzzzzzz

        • Roar Rookie

          July 10th 2018 @ 6:59pm
          piru said | July 10th 2018 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

          What on earth’s name is World Series Rugby ???

          It’s the series drawing bigger crowds on average than super rugby

          Try to keep up fella

        • Roar Rookie

          July 10th 2018 @ 8:50pm
          Kirky said | July 10th 2018 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

          Rugger! Why would a great Benefactor multi Billionaire from W.A. spend any money in Victoria,? ~ Twiggy’ Forrest is a wonderful guy and like every other fair dinkum rugby Fanatic from Western Australia, He’s disgusted with the way and the reason the Force were cut!

          Victorian Rugby is no more that a defacto Western Force team and not too far removed either, but rugby in Victoria is a joke and always has been, ~ All this rubbishy Victorian Rugby thing you mention is a non event which sadly was secretly and possibly illegally brought about by the sacking of the West Australian team and set up when it was the only Franchise that was growing the game and doing it well ~ So you can be assured that no money whatsoever will ever pass from Twiggy’s wallet to Victorian rugby, they shouldn’t even be there!

          A matter of time and you will see what World rugby is all about,!

          • Roar Guru

            July 11th 2018 @ 12:11pm
            Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

            If you’re a rugby fan in WA Twiggy Forrest is a wonderful guy.

            Plenty of other people outside the rugby world may not necessarily agree with that summation of him.

            • July 11th 2018 @ 3:51pm
              Council said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:51pm | ! Report

              Twas do you mean all the charities that Twiggy donates too?

              Or all the remote Aboriginal communities he helps out?

              Or all the Aboriginal people that he’s helped provide jobs for?

              Fair enough you have something against Force supporters, but don’t badmouth someone who does so much good for people.

        • July 11th 2018 @ 5:31am
          Ex force fan said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:31am | ! Report

          Victoria is about 12 times smaller than WA, have 2.5 times the population, historically got more than double in the ARU funding (now it is more than 20 times), took half of the Force team to beef up their side, play Superugby and the most livable city in Australia, however cannot get half of the supporters that WA is getting to watch their games. Victorians are just interested in having a team, not in supporting a team. Victorians do not deserve a rugby franchise, the only reason you are still in Superugby is thanks to the incompetence of Cameron Clyne and the RA Board.

          • Roar Guru

            July 11th 2018 @ 9:49am
            Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:49am | ! Report

            Land size is irrelevant.

            They are getting as many supporters as the Force got in 2017.

            • July 11th 2018 @ 11:59am
              Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:59am | ! Report

              Rubbish Cameron.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 12:05pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

                It’s published facts mate. Just because you don’t like it, it doesn’t make it untrue. Accept it.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 10:11pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:11pm | ! Report

                You’re funny Cameron.

            • July 11th 2018 @ 1:16pm
              Bob said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

              Seems to be true although not all the attendances are anounced

              Melbourne Rebels attendance 2018

              Rebels vs Reds 2018 February 23 attendance 10,021 (Rebels 45-19 Reds)
              Rebels vs Brumbies 2018 Attendance 9 March 10,061 (Rebels 33-10 Brumbies)
              Rebels vs Sharks 2018 Attendance 23 March 8,393 (Rebels 46-14 Sharks)
              Rebels vs Hurricanes 2018 Attendance 30 March 16,135 (Rebels 19-50 Hurricanes)
              Rebels vs Jaguares 2018 Attendance 14 April 5,538 (Rebels 22-25 Jaguares)
              Rebels v Crusaders 2018 Attendance 4 May 11,357 (Rebels 10-55 Saders)
              Rebels v Sunwolves 2018 Attendance 25 May 7,853 (Rebels 40-13 Sunwolves)
              Rebels v Waratahs 2018 Attendance 30 June 9,208 (Rebels 26-31 Tahs)

              Australia v Ireland AAMI PArk 2018 Attendance 29,018 (Australia 21-26 Ireland)

              Total Melbourne Rebels Attendance 2018: 78,566
              Average Rebels Super Rugby Crowd 2018: 9,821 (78566/8)

              Western Force

              Force v Reds Attendance 2 March, 2017 7,008 (Force 26-19 Reds)

              Force vs Kings Attendance 9 April, 2017 8,474 (Force 46-41 Kings)

              Force vs Chiefs Attendance 22 April, 2017 14,089 (Force 7-16 Chiefs)

              Force vs Emirates Lions 2017 Attendance 29 April 7,351 (Force 15-24 Lions)

              Force vs Highlanders 2017 Attendance 20 May 9,814 (Force 6-55 Otago)

              Force vs Hurricanes 2017 Attendance NOT Announced 3 June, 2017 (Force 12-34 Canes)

              Force vs Rebels 2017 Attendance Not Announced 7 July, 2017 (Force 31-22 Rebels)

              Force vs Waratahs 2017 Attendance 10,384 15 July, 2017 (Force 40-11 Tahs)

              Western Force Average Attendance 2017 = 57,120/6 = 9,520

              Total ACT Super Rugby attendance 2018: 67,128
              Average Brumbies SR 2018 Attendance: 8,391 (67128/8)

              https://www.shrugbyblog.com/?s=Australia+Super+Rugby+Attendance+2017

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 1:33pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

                Based on this article the Force average was 9,337.

                https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/super-rugby-australian-freefall-mirrored-at-the-gate/news-story/b7cbff39df9f0d4f8d909755a7d08a02

                A total of 64,318 plus the final game of 10,384. A total of 74,702. Average of 9,337.

              • Roar Pro

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:44pm
                Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

                Try using 2018 figures. Average attendance for WSR Force games is 15988.75 despite two very wet and miserable night games.

                BTW this Saturday is also expected to be wet, very wet.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:46pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

                We are talking about Super Rugby attendance.

                The whole cut has created a siege mentality. But attendances are declining from the first game. Nothing at all suggests that this is sustainable.

                The Force once got up to 30k to Super Rugby games, which declined down to 8-9k.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 7:19pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:19pm | ! Report

                Just like the Rabble are sustainable.

              • Roar Pro

                July 11th 2018 @ 8:20pm
                Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:20pm | ! Report

                Despite the best endevours of R(EC)A to destroy Rugby in WA we’re still here and gettting average attendances in 2018 of 15989 to WSR.

                Compared with 2018 attendances for the “Stronger as 4”:

                NSW Waratahs 14,949
                Queensland Reds 12,250
                Rebels 9,821
                Brumbies 8,391

                The “Future Force” academy is alive and well for both male and female players.

                We have a strong Women’s program. In fact our Schoolgirls team just won the inaugural Schoolgirls State Championships in Canberra.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 9:10pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:10pm | ! Report

                Along with the match on Mother’s Day.

              • Roar Pro

                July 11th 2018 @ 10:28pm
                Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:28pm | ! Report

                Game 1 sold out
                Game 2 Mothers’ Day
                Games 3 & 4 wet and miserable

                And we still have the highest average attendance in any rugby in Australia.

                BTW Saturday looks to be another wet one with a cold front forecast through Perth around game time.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 2:18am
                Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:18am | ! Report

                You need to compare 2018 to 2018 and not pick the years that suit your argument.

            • July 12th 2018 @ 2:21am
              Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:21am | ! Report

              If you need to travel a couple of hundred km vs a couple of thousand to watch a game land size is extremely relevant. You live in Melbourne and couldn’t get bothered to go to the game, so for you It is clearly irrelevant.

    • July 10th 2018 @ 8:14am
      Shop said | July 10th 2018 @ 8:14am | ! Report

      It still beggars belief that the ARU turned down a guy with an obvious passion for rugby with millions to back it. Hope it goes well.

      • July 10th 2018 @ 9:42am
        bert said | July 10th 2018 @ 9:42am | ! Report

        And that tells you all you need to know about Rugby Australia

      • Roar Rookie

        July 10th 2018 @ 8:52pm
        Kirky said | July 10th 2018 @ 8:52pm | ! Report

        Shop! ~ He offered BIG millions in fact, but those bad eggs from the previous ARU turned it down, for what????

        • July 11th 2018 @ 7:13am
          Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:13am | ! Report

          Previous ARU de Clyne is still around like a bad smell.

      • Roar Pro

        July 11th 2018 @ 4:46pm
        Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

        Billion mate, billions.

    • Roar Guru

      July 10th 2018 @ 10:14am
      Train Without A Station said | July 10th 2018 @ 10:14am | ! Report

      Interesting that the Forrest Minderoo have paid for teams like the Crusaders and Rebels to travel to play fixtures, but then have lined up a fixture against the Australian Stockman on August 25 and the travelling players have been asked to chip in $2k and organize their own flights to play.

      https://www.facebook.com/StockmanRugby/

      “If you play #Grassroots rugby in Australia and reckon you can handle the heat of the #WesternForce then dust off the rugby resume and apply now! In 2018 we will be selecting from remote, rural and regional regions in addition to premier competitions Australia wide.
      The squad will be in camp for a week in Perth arriving Sat 18th August and departing Sun 26th Aug.
      There will be an individual touring cost of $2,000 per squad member (excludes travel to and from Perth and food/beverages). A fundraising toolkit and support will be provided.
      Interested players are to email their resume through to info@stockmanrugby.com by 5pm (est) Thursday 19th July 2018.”

      I personally thought this would be the type of thing Forrest and Minderoo would be covering, not passing off to amateur rugby players to pay $2500 each to provide another fixture (which appears to the an NRC trial/warm up game).

      Stockman Rugby to a great deal of fundraising so I doubt they are asking for anything more than the shortfall in costs.

      • Roar Rookie

        July 10th 2018 @ 12:41pm
        piru said | July 10th 2018 @ 12:41pm | ! Report

        TWAS what is Stockman Rugby all about?

      • Roar Rookie

        July 10th 2018 @ 12:42pm
        piru said | July 10th 2018 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

        And I have to give the answer that you would give to this

        Well known brands like The Crusaders and Rebels are much more likely to bring in the fans (both at the park and on TV) and therefore the money.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 12:06pm
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

          Not completely sure if I’m honest.

          I think an old school tour type set up with country players. Something about connecting people in isolated regional environments. A few good people put their time into it.

        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2018 @ 5:38am
          Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 5:38am | ! Report

          For the Rabble to tour it would have cost more grassroots money as they have none of their own. I wonder who is paying for Ross Xenos’ salary?

          RUPA CEO joining the Unit Trusts justs gets better doesn’t it? Surely he has had access to goings on at the RA board level.

      • July 11th 2018 @ 5:54am
        Ex force fan said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:54am | ! Report

        Twiggy is pumping more money into all levels of WA rugby than the ARU, actually there is no individual that is contributing more from his own funds to rugby in Australia than Twiggy…… and you want to tell Twiggy where he should spend his money!

        This coming from someone living in Victoria that admitted that he is not even attending all the Rebels games as a spectator – the absolute minimum contribution a rugby supporter can make. TWAS, if you are prepared to sponsor a player, I will do the same and then you can earn the right to criticize someone that is doing far more than you and me. Without Twiggy there will be no Force, no trails and no opportunity even if you are prepared to pay for it. $2,000 for a week’s stay in WA is cheap and most likely subsidized by you know who…..

        Rather be critical of the organisation that iis making more than hundred million every year from rugby and only provided WA with something like $200,000 of financial support…Rugby (east) Australia.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 9:53am
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

          $2,000 isn’t cheap for a weeks stay.

          I just found a twin share room for $988 direct on the Crowne Plaza website in fact. So I doubt you know who is subsidizing anything.

          My club will be subsidizing any players who make the final team. Much like we do with all rep teams.

          • Roar Guru

            July 11th 2018 @ 10:01am
            Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:01am | ! Report

            And also the least one can do is watch the games to help contribute to TV Ratings actually.

            • July 12th 2018 @ 2:28am
              Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:28am | ! Report

              And the Victorians are doing the absolute minimum….not even.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 12:12pm
          Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          Ex FF without Twiggy Rugby WA would be under liquidation by now as the RA cut their largest revenue stream to help pay off their debts owing.

          • Roar Guru

            July 11th 2018 @ 12:16pm
            Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

            They also cut their largest cost base…

            The costs of maintaining a Super Rugby team have basically equaled the income from one.

            • July 11th 2018 @ 3:36pm
              Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

              Irrelevant. They ended up in voluntary administration for a reason. If it wasn’t for Twiggy the state union would be closed by now.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:01pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

                Yes. Because they had existing debt and also after taking legal action they were ordered to pay costs.

                If anything the removal of their Super Rugby team is irrelevant, as since it had not posted a profit since 2010 it was not going to assist in payment of debts.

            • Roar Pro

              July 11th 2018 @ 8:23pm
              Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:23pm | ! Report

              No TWAS. As the Senate Inquiry revealed beyond question, the Rebels were and still are the biggest cost base.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 7:52am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 7:52am | ! Report

                The Rebels are Rugby WA’s biggest cost base?

              • July 12th 2018 @ 9:22pm
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:22pm | ! Report

                The RA’s Cameron.

              • Roar Guru

                July 13th 2018 @ 12:51pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 13th 2018 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

                Well we are talking about Rugby WA so how is that even relevant?

              • July 13th 2018 @ 3:13pm
                Sheikh said | July 13th 2018 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

            • July 12th 2018 @ 2:34am
              Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:34am | ! Report

              No they maintain the most expensive franchises and axed the cheapest and the one that Twiggy was prepared to underwrite. They had to give money to the Reds again the year, although the Reds didn’t had to give up their IP in return!

        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2018 @ 5:40am
          Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 5:40am | ! Report

          Ex FF Rugby WA and the ACT and Southern NSWRU both only received 130k each in annual community Rugby funding while de Clyne’s mates in the VRU received over 300k.

      • July 11th 2018 @ 9:56am
        andrewM said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:56am | ! Report

        I personally would have thought that this would have been an initiative that maybe the ARU would have done to grow support outside of the traditional rugby strongholds..oh how silly of me!

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 10:00am
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

          Can’t afford DO’s so pay for more rep teams?

          • Roar Guru

            July 11th 2018 @ 12:09pm
            Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

            Well stop spending money on paying Rebels’ directors for a one dollar sale, payouts, pointless rebranding, lawyers and Sydney car park recruitment searches.

            Twiggy is funding under age development as Rugby WA get nowhere near the same amount of funding that Cameron’s ‘mates’ in Victoria receive.

            • Roar Guru

              July 11th 2018 @ 12:15pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

              So just to clarify:

              * Instead of reaching a legal settlement they should spend more money on legal action
              * Instead of defending themselves against legal action they should just roll over and spend more money

              Not sure where the money is saved there?

              Are they not allowed to hire administrators who are based in Sydney? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought the city with the highest number of sporting franchises and bodies would be the likely location of most Australian candidates. But just to point out another misleading comment, the latest hire to replace Rob Clarke’s old role I assume, was head of the Commonwealth Games in QLD.

              Who is paid out? You can’t say payouts and settlements with Cox as 2 separate items.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 12:54pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

                Since when did it become the RA’s responsibility to meet Rebels’ directors debts so it can be sold for a dollar?

                Pulver, on contract players in Europe read the line about the one million that was thrown away and paying Rebels’ directors. This is while Community Rugby had their funding cut.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 1:00pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

                It’s not.

                And that’s not what happened.

                So just to clarify, you think the ARU should have risked legal action and a greater cost to defend it rather than reach a settlement?

                The settlement did not cover all MRRU debts. Dalziel and Cattermole provided just as much as the settlement to resolve the debts.

                And the SETTLEMENT was not $1M. Just another lie from you. it was $500k.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 3:39pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

                What legal issues? The RA were never going to cut the Rabble.

                Those figures are nonsense. You know full well why the Rabble were paid 5 million over their annual Super Rugby allocation.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:03pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

                Oh Bakkies says they were never going to. Case closed.

                Cox was going to pursue legal action for loss of revenue.

                He wasn’t fighting a cut. He didn’t need to win to cost RA money…

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:13pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:13pm | ! Report

                And that’s nothing to do with what you have claimed.

                At the time of sale additional grants were agreed in 2014. That had nothing to do with meeting the debts for Cox.

                Unless you are talking about it at the time of sale in 2014. In which case of course it was the ARU’s responsibility. They were obligated to provide a team. Due to John O’Neills’ terrible set up of them, Mitchell was able to walk away and leave them on the ARU.

                The sale wasn’t about getting income. It was about selling the liability to maintain them to somebody unless they met set conditions.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 10:13pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:13pm | ! Report

                I am talking about last year Cameron.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 7:22pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:22pm | ! Report

                Cox was wasting his time it was decided in October 2016 that the Rabble weren’t going to be cut.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 2:47am
                Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:47am | ! Report

                The treat of legal action from Cox came from the incompetence of the ARU in the first place, the farce of a selection process they run to pick the only team they could legally cut. It was another self inflicted wound from poor due diligence and incompetence of Pulver, Clarke and the ARU Board. Compare it with the positive way SARU managed the culling of the Cheetahs and Kings – no legal action, no bad blood, another development pathway. TWAS your mates stuffed up at the cost of Australia rugby!

                Why does Cameron Clyne still hang around like a bad smell? It is obvious that he stuffed up and needs to go!

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 7:53am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 7:53am | ! Report

                That’s irrelevant to whether what happened impacted his revenue…

              • July 12th 2018 @ 9:26pm
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:26pm | ! Report

                What revenue? He was subsidised by the RA from incremental payments and extra funding that the established sides weren’t getting. He also sold TGIF around the same time he offloaded his Unit Trusts to the VRU for a dollar.

            • Roar Guru

              July 11th 2018 @ 2:31pm
              John R said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

              Rugby Australia settled with Cox and Sidwell at a cost of $500k over their disputes over the axing of their team.

              They then directed this money into paying off part of the Rebels debt, to allow the sale.

              Cattermole and Dalziel put up $250k each of their OWN money to clear the rest of the debt and get the sale done.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 2:47pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:47pm | ! Report

                No John. You don’t understand. It’s perfectly fine to spread blatant lies if you’re unhappy about something.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 3:01pm
                John R said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

                Full disclosure, I am friends with Lydnsey’s son, and have met her on several occasions, she is one of the most lovely and altruistic people you will ever have the joy of meeting.

                Seeing people like ‘Bakkies’ constantly dragging her and other people’s name through the mud is just sickening propaganda, and I’m surprised the Roar doesn’t moderate him further.

                I’ve a good mind to follow up with the administrators here to have his IP address tracked so that appropriate action can be taken on his consistent libelous statements.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 3:12pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                Prefer to protect anonymous usernames from insults rather than actual individuals from having their names dragged through the mud.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 3:30pm
                concerned supporter said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

                John R.

                Not having a go at you, but can you please explain,

                ”I am friends with Lydnsey’s son, and have met her on several occasions, she is one of the most lovely and altruistic people you will ever have the joy of meeting.”

                Thank you.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 3:52pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

                John there is a reason why ASIC have been asked to investigate these transactions and the terms of the sale. That’s all I have got to say about that.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:04pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

                And?

                No charges have even been laid. Let alone anybody found guilty of anything.

                Investigation does not mean anybody is guilty of anything.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 7:26pm
                Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:26pm | ! Report

                And? That’s not a question Cameron.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 3:36pm
                John R said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

                She’s a very generous and kind person CS, and anyone that has the pleasure of meeting her would enjoy the interaction, as simple as that.

                She’s extremely passionate about rugby, and obviously having put up a quarter of a mill of her own money, is willing to go to great lengths to secure it’s future in Victoria.

                She’s not some evil corporate that has set out to dud the good people of WA as Bakkies likes to make out, and I’m tired of sitting on my hands whilst he spreads his vile lies to a disenfranchised fan base that will lap up every word because they need to kick out at the world.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 4:04pm
                concerned supporter said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

                Sorry Jon R, I still do not know who you are referring to.

                One thing though, Bakkies is like the Arc Angel Gabriel when compared to TWAS.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 4:05pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:05pm | ! Report

                I think you mean “Bakkies appeals to my existing biases”.

                And perhaps learn to read and you’ll know who John is referring to.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 5:00pm
                John R said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

                Oh sorry CS, I misunderstood you.

                Lyndsey Cattermole is a current board member of the Melbourne Rebels and was (I guess still is in a roundabout way) a foundation shareholder of the Rebels.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 8:27pm
                andrewM said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:27pm | ! Report

                No John. You don’t understand. It’s perfectly fine to spread blatant lies if you’re unhappy about something.

                Is that straight out of the ARU Corporate manual TWAS?

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 5:54am
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 5:54am | ! Report

                Spot on Andrew. I am only repeating what is on public record which includes loosely what is on the RA’s annual reports and making accountable for their incompetent actions. Last year was a charade and they got themselves under scrutiny due to that.

                Had they not behaved like a passive aggressive teenage girl and stated publicly that they voted at a board meeting in October 2016 after a report (which could have been written by a primary school student) was tabled in a meeting in August that year just before the Assassination Agreement between the RA and the Force was signed. Per the minutes tabled to the Senate Inquiry under submission 13 that they decided to cut the Force they would have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

                No wonder de Clyne threw his toys out of the cot when those minutes were mentioned during his testimony.

                ASIC also tabled Rebels’ finances to the Inquiry and as no financial reports have been made public since 2015 we still don’t know how much this bottomless pit is costing the game.

                There was barely a straight story told to the Inquiry about the sale of the Rebels to Cox who was running his businesses at a loss in NZ at the time.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 1:43pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

                http://www.rugbyaustralia.com.au/MediaReleases/Article/tabid/1699/ArticleID/17939/Australian-Rugby-Union-and-Western-Force-seal-alliance-agreement.aspx

                Alliance Agreement was signed in June 2016, or earlier.

                So any discussion in August 2016 was after it was signed…

                You aren’t only repeating what was tabled.

                You throw editorial spin and opinion on everything and present it as fact. Such as “No wonder de Clyne threw his toys out of the cot when those minutes were mentioned during his testimony”.

                I’m also intrigued to note where it was established in the senate report that Imperium Capital Group were running at a loss in 2017.

                That’s not a fact. That’s your spin you use to generate support from Force fans.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 4:05pm
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 4:05pm | ! Report

                Cameron I am referring to when Cox purchased the side he was trading at a loss in NZ.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 8:04am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 8:04am | ! Report

                Hey champ, point out where I have presented unsubstantiated and slanderous information as fact?

              • July 12th 2018 @ 2:54am
                Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:54am | ! Report

                This $500k would not be needed if the ARU didn’t threaten to axe a team they had no legal right to axe…..they stuffed up the process and created the liability. Clyne and kie’s incompetence is the problem here that designed and overseen a flawes culling process.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 2:48pm
                rebel said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

                That Wallabies hate going to camp and there is a rift because of instagram.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 2:50pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

                Didn’t say it was a fact. In fact openly said I heard it from a second hand source. I said I felt they were reliable.

                But hey. I guess I’m a monster for not saying more on something that could jeapordize a players’ selection.

            • July 11th 2018 @ 6:29pm
              andrewM said | July 11th 2018 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

              Oh Please TWAS..

              For once in your life stop being an ARU apologists and acknowledge the facts

              You say that no ‘Crime’ was committed yet even the VRU president admits he was given and allowed to copy confidential documents by senior ARU officials – either Pulver or North and documented evidence exists that the ARU actively participated in changing the deed of arrangement allowing for the Rebels to be transferred to the VRU – and having the verve to act surprised’ when this transfer was made public.

              The evidence supporting these two key points is pretty comprehensive and beyond reproach

              Whilst Cox may have had a legal claim against the ARU you would have to say that these two points above would be enough to sh%^ can the ARU as well had RugbyWA the financial resources to mount a further legal case against the ARU once it was made aware of these facts.

              Your apologist approach that the ARU had no choice but to deal with the Cox is total and utter BS

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 7:24pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:24pm | ! Report

                None of those things are criminal offences for one…

                So again. No crime has occurred that we are aware of. It may have based on evidence none of us are aware of sure. But as far as we know it hasn’t.

                The whole basis of the claim that the ARU participated in the transfer is an email, never printed in full, only information taken from. It doesn’t outline the ARU’s intention or commitment to actually do anything in what we’ve seen, and it certainly may for all we know, but we haven’t seen it.

                And the basis of that is that the ARU has organised Rebels foundation supporters to pay of the Rebels debts for the current Rebels. So people in Sydney had to organise something between different people affiliated with the Melbourne franchise.

                It’s entirely possible that Pulver is outlining to Cox what would have to occur for him to sell. I have sent forceful correspondence similar to what we’ve read of it in my career to parties, outlining what they have to do.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 10:59pm
                In brief said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

                The law is an ass. It does not equate to morality or ethics. In NAZI Germany it was legal to exterminate Jews- the police were in charge of rounding up families from their homes. An apologist at the time could say ‘what’s wrong, we’re not doing anything illegal’.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 11:28am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 11:28am | ! Report

                That may be so.

                But when somebody is adamantly stating a criminal actions have occurred, I’d say for those actions to be criminal acts somewhere in the world is probably pretty important for that to be correct.

                And to try to equate the actions of Nazi’s to a business decision over a professional sporting team is probably the greatest, most pathetic case of reaching I’ve ever seen.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 8:42pm
                andrewM said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:42pm | ! Report

                BS TWAS – North stated at the Senate enquiry that he was given the documents so to say that the ARU did not honour its agreement with RugbyWA is false.

                Also from the Senate enquiry

                2.101 Confidential evidence provided to the committee shows the ARU were
                directly involved in the execution of the transfer of the Melbourne Rebels’ licence
                from Imperium to Victorian Rugby Union. The committee understands these
                negotiations were well underway by June 2017

                so once again, your steadfast defence of the ARU is misleading

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 8:04am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 8:04am | ! Report

                Do you even read the comments you respond to?

                Not honoring a confidentially agreement isn’t a criminal offence. It’s a civil matter. The aggrieved party would need to demonstrate loss to pursue it.

                And again, that “confidential evidence” is exactly what I mentioned. It’s based on somebody with a pre-determined goal putting dots together to reach an outcome they wanted.

                And it’s based on some people in Sydney being required to link up 2 different groups of people heavily involved in the Melbourne Rebels.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 11:09am
                concerned supporter said | July 12th 2018 @ 11:09am | ! Report

                TWAS

                ‘ Rugby Australia’s Board’s conduct and the evidence provided to the committee, in particular, the financial circumstances reported in its annual reports, suggest any breaches of fiduciary duties or any other breaches of the Corporations Act 2001.”

                Where is;’ honouring a confidentiality agreement” appear?

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 11:29am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 11:29am | ! Report

                Where is;’ honouring a confidentiality agreement” appear?

                In the comment I’m responding to genius…

              • July 12th 2018 @ 12:22pm
                concerned supporter said | July 12th 2018 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

                TWAS,

                You are going around in circles.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 12:39pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

                Nah.

                I responded directly to a comment from AndrewM

                You then waded in with some totally off topic question about how my answer is relevant to it.

                And I told you, I was responding to AndrewM.

                Read the thread you’re responding too…

              • July 12th 2018 @ 10:59am
                andrewM said | July 12th 2018 @ 10:59am | ! Report

                “Not honoring a confidentially agreement isn’t a criminal offence. It’s a civil matter. The aggrieved party would need to demonstrate loss to pursue it.”

                And of course RugbyWA lost nothing as part of the ARU’s consistent and ongoing deceit?

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 11:26am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                Because it wasn’t caused by their agreement being shared.

                It was caused by the position they had put themselves into.

                Anybody know the agreement had no bearing on whether or not the ARU could legally cut them.

                If the document was some amazing overseas marketing plan, and the Rebels then used that to take potential customers away that might be a loss.

                I think it’s a stupid thing to do because I cannot understand what benefit any party had from doing so. Which goes back to demonstrating the loss.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 1:14pm
                Unanimous said | July 12th 2018 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

                andrewM, North also explained to the enquiry that the VRU was entitled to see all documents that they were given. The VRU is a member of the ARU – i.e. it is part of the ARU, and under the ARU’s constitution, member organisations have a right to see any ARU documents or agreements that have a bearing on them. When RugbyWA signed an agreement with the ARU, they were signing an agreement with all other members of the ARU.

                North further explained how the ARU tried not to share all documents, and provided redacted documents, and the VRU had to try a number of times before they were finally handed over. He also explained how when he saw the situation that the Force was in, he rang RugbyWA to warn them the trouble they were in.

                At the time, the ARU was also hoping the Rebels under Cox would go into bankruptcy to give them an option to cut the Rebels. Ordinarily they would have had no right to cut the Rebels, but they knew Cox was trying to sell to avoid bankruptcy and by announcing they were in consideration to be cut, they hoped it would make the Rebels valueless, prevent any sale, and give the ARU an option.

                The ARU was working against both WA and the VRU, and in the end the Victorians were better legally and managed to complete the sale of the Rebels to remove any option. The VRU called the special meeting to try to prevent any team being cut, and helped out RugbyWA as much as was reasonable. The Rebels were happy to play in WA recently. Victoria is not an enemy of WA in any way.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 2:34pm
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

                North is not a member of the RA board and by obtaining those documents he knew the Force could be cut. He is the president of the board that now owns the Rebels and are now subject of an ASIC.

                He is no friend of Rugby WA and the Force. The Rebels wouldn’t have played in Perth if they weren’t paid as they have no money.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 3:06pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

                Pretty sure Unanimous never claimed North was a member of the RA board…

                I love the slant on the same things.

                Rebels play – “only because they were paid to”
                Crusaders play – “Crusaders behind Forrest’s WSR”

                This is good because it’s starting to cut to your real issues. A long term agenda or grudge you have against the VRU.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 9:29pm
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:29pm | ! Report

                Cameron I have a long term grudge against people and governing bodies who run them in to the ground and use it as their personal fiefdom at the expense of the local community.

      • Roar Rookie

        July 11th 2018 @ 9:58am
        ForceFan said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:58am | ! Report

        Not unusually others have different “personal thoughts” to you TWAS.
        I suggest that Minderoo is recognising The Australian Stockman’s preferred model of sorting the “wheat from the chaff” with their players as they obviously value something more and work harder when they have to pay for it.
        It’s the same way that it’s worked for TAS in the past.

        Good to see the country lads getting some extra exposure and chance to travel.
        The TAS team is hardly going to be a big crowd puller so Minderoo will be still out of pocket.
        It’s very likely to be played in conjunction with one of the local club final games.
        Minderoo continue to support rugby at all levels.

        The hot tip is the bigger WSR fixture/teams to be announced in August.
        Evidently with some surprise inclusions.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 10:00am
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

          And not unusual that all the WA fans cannot find a single fault in anything involving Forrest…

          • July 11th 2018 @ 1:38pm
            RahRah said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

            And not unusual that TWAS (RA fan boy) cannot find a single fault in anything involving RA…

            • Roar Guru

              July 11th 2018 @ 1:40pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

              Except I have.

              I criticized their re-signing of Cheika on a 4 year contract. I criticized their intention to sign Hooper to an extremely long term contract. I criticized their lack of a plan for WA after the exclusion of the Force.

              I’m just pragmatic enough to realize that the Utopian Australian Rugby that people think should exist probably isn’t possible. And that the NSWRU and QRU are the greatest problems we have in Australian Rugby, and they have no power to change that without agreement from the NSWRU and the QRU.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 2:27pm
                concerned supporter said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

                TWAS,

                ”And that the NSWRU and QRU are the greatest problems we have in Australian Rugby, and they have no power to change that without agreement from the NSWRU and the QRU.”

                No, they’re not, they are the SECOND greatest problem.. miles & miles behind RA.

                Are the NSWRU & QRU currently under ASIC investigation?

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 2:46pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

                Does an investigation indicate any guilt?

                Rugby Australia cannot make any major changed without the QRU or NSWRU. The poor management of the state unions and their franchises is the cause of the majority of financial issues for Australian Rugby.

                The one arm they have full control of (or close to), the Wallabies is actually financially healthy.

                The Reds, Waratahs, Brumbies and Rebels, and previously the Force had all players paid for them, got a grant to assist with costs and all struggled financially.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 3:17pm
                concerned supporter said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

                TWAS,

                Your comments are getting thinner & thinner.

                1/Does an investigation indicate any guilt?

                Everyone knows that we are awaiting ASIC’s judgment.ASIC are renowned ” lame ducks”, the usually protect not prosecute the big end of town. Although recently they have come down hard on AMP and some Banks.
                How is Cameron Clyne’s blood pressure?

                2/ Rugby Australia cannot make any major changed without the QRU or NSWRU”

                Two major changes that most Roarers {except you} would welcome is the immediate resignations of Cameron Clyne, and John Eales.

              • Roar Guru

                July 11th 2018 @ 3:23pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

                Like most things you write, I don’t get your point.

                The ARU has been found guilty of nothing right? And an investigation is no sign of any guilt, right? In fact prosecution is not even a sign of guilt.

                It’s hilarious that you think if John Eales and Cameron Clyne resigned things would be any different. The QRU and NSWRU could lead a spill of the current board if they wanted to. Why haven’t they?

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 5:59am
                Bakkies said | July 12th 2018 @ 5:59am | ! Report

                CS Eales resigned as replaced by former Sydney Uni and Shore Old Boy Phil Waugh. Sydney Uni/Buildcorp Board Nominations Committee appoint one of their own. How nice of them.

            • Roar Pro

              July 11th 2018 @ 8:30pm
              Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:30pm | ! Report

              When
              i was a prosector I’d would have loved to be handed the evidence revealed by the Senate and told to prosecute.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 7:56am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 7:56am | ! Report

                What would you be prosecuting anybody for?

                Do tell.

              • July 15th 2018 @ 7:25pm
                Rebel Fan said | July 15th 2018 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                I’m really scared of ASIC, they will do sweet FA because they have bigger fish to fry!

              • July 16th 2018 @ 12:39pm
                Bakkies said | July 16th 2018 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

                Like Simon Poidevin?

          • July 12th 2018 @ 3:18am
            Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 3:18am | ! Report

            Maybe we do not want to go out to look for faults like you do. Maybe we do not have an agenda to discredit Twiggy like you do. Maybe we are not Clyne’s buddies. Maybe we judge him on the outcomes he achieve the same way we judge the ARU.

            The facts is that since Clyne took over RA, it has been crisis after crisis!

            • Roar Guru

              July 13th 2018 @ 12:53pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 13th 2018 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

              Really? Because you seem to be happy pointing out anybody else’s faults regardless of facts.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 10:21am
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:21am | ! Report

          And hang on.

          So the touring team are paying all their touring costs = no costs for Minderoo.

          Played in conjunction with club finals = no costs for Minderoo.

          I’m intrigued to know where this out of pocket for Minderoo is coming from…

          • Roar Guru

            July 11th 2018 @ 12:10pm
            Bakkies said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

            Have you heard of venue hire and overheads Cameron?

            • Roar Guru

              July 11th 2018 @ 12:16pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

              What venue hire? They are playing at the location of club finals….

              Perhaps actually read the comments champ.

              • Roar Pro

                July 11th 2018 @ 8:38pm
                Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

                If they play at UWA as is often the case with finals the University does charge Rugby WA to use it’s fields and facilities.

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2018 @ 7:56am
                Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 7:56am | ! Report

                Yes. For the club finals. The incur no cost for the Stockman game if it’s in conjunction with club finals – They are already playing there…

          • July 11th 2018 @ 12:53pm
            concerned supporter said | July 11th 2018 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

            TWAS,

            ”I’m intrigued to know where this out of pocket for Minderoo is coming from…”

            TWAS, I am intrigued why RA published only the CONCISE financial Report for 2017

            When I contacted them at their new Taj Mahal at Moore Park, {leased of course, not freehold} they refused to email me a copy of their FULL financial Report.

            RA or SANZAAR have agreed to such a miserable, lousy Broadcasting Deal, AUD 57 million pa.,including Internationals, it is my guess that RA are probably making a GROSS LOSS on their BR from Super Rugby minus their DIRECT Super Rugby expenses.

            Departmental Accounting, TWAS, Departmental Accounting.

            They are being kept solvent, mainly by Qantas.

            • Roar Guru

              July 11th 2018 @ 1:03pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

              Rugby Australia are being kept solvent by a major sponsor?

              What a shocking revelation that has nothing to do with this article…

      • July 11th 2018 @ 1:22pm
        Bob said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

        I’m pretty sure the Stockman went to Argentina the year before last, When Fiji and Tonga came they arrived the day before the game, these guys will be in Perth for the whole week. I’m not sure they should ask the force to pay for a week long tour (drinking/partying)

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 1:27pm
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

          That’s perfectly reasonable.

          But perhaps flights and accommodation in line with those games would have been.

          Most Stockman Rugby players will be out of pocket $3k to provide a trial match for the Force.

      • July 11th 2018 @ 6:13pm
        Rhys Bosley said | July 11th 2018 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

        Clearly Twiggy thought enoughisenough…

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 7:28pm
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:28pm | ! Report

          Tell us again how wonderful Brad Thorn is.

          What’s hilarious is when the Reds punt him you’ll come out telling us how terrible he is.

          • July 11th 2018 @ 9:49pm
            Rhys Bosley said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:49pm | ! Report

            I’ll give all your imaginary friends a chance to comment this evening before responding to that.

            • Roar Guru

              July 12th 2018 @ 2:46pm
              rebel said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

              It’s like watching Inception

              • July 12th 2018 @ 9:26pm
                Rhys Bosley said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:26pm | ! Report

                Haven’t seen it, not sure I would like it now.

            • Roar Guru

              July 12th 2018 @ 2:59pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 12th 2018 @ 2:59pm | ! Report

              The fact is champ that I responded to a post that was responding to another post that was exactly in line with something I’d already posted. If you bothered to check you’d see that. It’s dated and timed.

              And consider that one was a logged in account. And one was posting under an anon handle that requires a login, it’s easily more likely that when selecting “Most recent” at the top of comments, I assumed it was a response to mine.

              But you don’t let reality get in the way of what you say normally, so why would this be any different?

              • July 12th 2018 @ 9:25pm
                Rhys Bosley said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

                In fairness I wouldn’t be surprised if you shared the same views as your imaginary friends.

      • Roar Pro

        July 11th 2018 @ 8:49pm
        Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:49pm | ! Report

        Another cheap shot TWAS. Stockman Rugby are bringing a team to play organised and paid for as they always do. Don’t worry, they’ll be looked after.

        Is that the best you’ve got?

        Stay tuned folks for the next snide but irrelevant remark aimed at Twiggy.

    • July 10th 2018 @ 11:01pm
      RoryStorm said | July 10th 2018 @ 11:01pm | ! Report

      I would not be surprised if the $2,000 each player has to find to come to the trials is an incentive to keep away all players who know they are not good enough to make the team but think they can get an “all expense” paid for bit of fun.

      • Roar Rookie

        July 11th 2018 @ 10:00am
        ForceFan said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

        +1

      • July 11th 2018 @ 1:27pm
        Bob said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

        I also assume it is a way to pay for the coaches and general fundraising for the organisation.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 1:41pm
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

          I don’t think the coaches are paid.

          • July 11th 2018 @ 6:02pm
            Bob said | July 11th 2018 @ 6:02pm | ! Report

            Yeah most likely not paid but I just mean the cost for the coaches flights and general expenses and what not

            • Roar Guru

              July 11th 2018 @ 7:27pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

              That’s what assumed the $2k cost for accomodation and tour expenses (excluding food and beverage) assisted in covering.

              I doubt they’ll be taken a England style brigade of off field staff!

    • July 11th 2018 @ 6:07am
      Ex force fan said | July 11th 2018 @ 6:07am | ! Report

      The first article about the Force on the roar in more than a month. A moment to remember, saviour and digest like a very good wine. How did it manage to slip through?

      It is not that there is a lack of interest as the Force continue to get double the crowds that better published games are getting in Canberra and Melbourne.

    • Roar Pro

      July 11th 2018 @ 1:06pm
      Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

      https://www.westernforce.com.au/world-series-rugby-goes-global/

      Watch the Force take on Samoa this Saturday live from anywhere in the World.

      • Roar Pro

        July 11th 2018 @ 4:49pm
        Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

        I see the mysterious black line through the words “World Series Rugby” is nak. It’s not in the original as uploaded (twice, two different versions).

        • Roar Pro

          July 11th 2018 @ 8:40pm
          Crazy Horse said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:40pm | ! Report

          oh look the black line has mysteriously gone.

          • Roar Pro

            July 12th 2018 @ 9:00am
            Crazy Horse said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:00am | ! Report

            Oh look, the mysterious black line is back.

          • Roar Pro

            July 12th 2018 @ 9:01am
            Crazy Horse said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:01am | ! Report

            Oh look, the mysterious black line has returned.

            • Roar Rookie

              July 12th 2018 @ 9:52am
              Paul D said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:52am | ! Report

              Let me guess. You are looking at it with either 2 different devices, or 2 different browsers. I can see it when reviewing this forum on my phone (using chrome). It’s not there on my work PC using IE.

              It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a browser glitch.

      • Roar Rookie

        July 11th 2018 @ 5:38pm
        Paul D said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:38pm | ! Report

        Samoa, the Samoan National Rugby Team or just a team from Samoa?

        A small but important distinction. Just as it was with the Tongan team that was not “Tonga”.

        • Roar Guru

          July 11th 2018 @ 5:49pm
          Train Without A Station said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:49pm | ! Report

          Samoa have a RWC qualifier I think, so I imagine it will be a Samoa A team.

          • July 12th 2018 @ 5:30pm
            Ex force fan said | July 12th 2018 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

            Last time when you picked the Rebels team that will visit Perth, you were wrong. Both the Saders and Rebels picked strong sides to play in Perth, so will Samoa.

            • Roar Guru

              July 13th 2018 @ 1:01pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 13th 2018 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

              How was it a strong Rebels team?

              They brought in 5 players from Sydney Club Rugby.

              Of the other 19 that played, a further 6 have not featured in a single Rebels game this year. In fact 2 have been released since the game.

              They played 3 of their first choice starters.

              The only difference to the Rebels A team from earlier in the year is that 23 players weren’t playing for the Rebels on the same day, so a couple that couldn’t play did play. In fact 6 of the same starters were used. It likely would have been 10, but 4 were away for Aus 20s.

              And then David Horwtiz was released so an 11th wasn’t at all available. And Sione Tuipolotu was injured. So a 12th unavailable.

              • July 13th 2018 @ 6:52pm
                Ex force fan said | July 13th 2018 @ 6:52pm | ! Report

                It was a strong team because it was packed with ex Force players and also had several Wallabies including Hardwick and regular Rebel players…

              • Roar Guru

                July 13th 2018 @ 9:59pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 13th 2018 @ 9:59pm | ! Report

                Haha the team had a total of 10 Wallaby caps across 3 players.

                The Rising team for around 1 of the NRC last year had between 30 and 40 Wallaby caps across 6 players.

                It was an mid level NRC level team at best.

        • July 11th 2018 @ 6:07pm
          Bob said | July 11th 2018 @ 6:07pm | ! Report

          Samoa are playing Germany in a world cup repercharge match on Saturday in Germany so I would assume this may be a Samoa residents team or something along those lines.

          • July 12th 2018 @ 3:10pm
            Sheikh said | July 12th 2018 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

            My understanding is that it was originally intended to be the full Samoan team (or as close as they could get – player availability, rest, travel, etc allowing).

            The Europe/Oceania play-off was, I think, rescheduled to the 30th June & 14th July after the shenanigans with fielding ineligible players by Romania, Spain & Belgium, which was only finalised a month ago.

            Samoa are 66-15 up after the first match, so they could probably send their reserve team to Germany and the 1st team to Perth and still qualify (I wouldn’t though).

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