Why Ross should no longer be boss

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    The 15th of September 2011 was a massive day in the history of the Fremantle Football Club. Indeed it was one of the most important days in their history: it marked the start of a new era.

    A change of guernsey and logo was only the start. Then coach Mark Harvey, who had led Fremantle to the semi-finals in 2010 before enduring a disastrous 2011 season, when injuries hit the side so hard that the Dockers had to ask the AFL for special permission to play rookies, was cast aside in the most brutal of circumstances.

    Just that morning Harvey had been talking about the upcoming season at a breakfast. By the afternoon he was gone.

    Only two hours later the reason became apparent: Ross Lyon had left St Kilda, who he had led to three grand finals, and was set to become the new coach of the Fremantle Dockers.

    As a lifelong fan and member of the Fremantle Dockers, I was excited about the move. Yes it had been harsh on Harvey, but we were finally getting a coach who I believed could take us all the way – finally a coach who would mean the Dockers would be taken seriously.

    And for a glorious few years it was indeed a match made in heaven. Freo really was the perfect fit for the aptly named ‘Ross the Boss’. It was a side about to hit the peak of its powers with perhaps three of Fremantle’s greatest ever players – Matthew Pavlich, Luke McPharlin and Aaron Sandilands – coming towards the end of their careers and hungry for success.

    Ross Lyon

    (Adam Trafford/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    In 2012, Lyon’s first season in charge, Fremantle made the semi-finals, beating reigning premiers Geelong in an elimination final in Melbourne, proving themselves as a potential future power of the competition.

    By 2013 they were one of the best sides in the league, making it all the way to the grand final. It was a glorious time. The Cappuccino Strip turned purple, and as a 17-year-old in the middle of year 12 exams I still made my way to the MCG to watch Fremantle hopefully make history under Ross the Boss.

    It wasn’t to be. Hawthorn were at the absolute peak of their powers as the best team of the modern era – but we ran them close, and perhaps if we’d been accurate, who knows? Lyon may well have had that elusive premiership.

    However, hope springs eternal, and I felt that the next two years would be our big chance, finally winning a premiership for our champion Pav.

    The 2014 and 2015 seasons were two of the most frustrating years I can remember. With so much expectation we played really well throughout the season only to crumble in the finals. Fremantle went out in straight sets in 2014 and lost a preliminary final to Hawthorn at home in 2015, robbing Western Australia fans from the ultimate: a derby grand final.

    However, in 2015, despite finishing on top of the ladder, the cracks started to show. Rarely did we actually kill a team off; rather we’d grind them down with our dour defence and hope we could score more than they did. It worked thanks to the superstar that was a 33-year-old Pavlich, still the lone man up front, and McPharlin, still the rock in defence. Our midfield was superb with Brownlow medallist Nat Fyfe leading the charge, but at either end we started to look vulnerable.

    Nat Fyfe Fremantle Dockers AFL 2017

    (Matt King/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    With the retirement of McPharlin and Pavlich, with Sandilands another year older and with younger teams finally working out how to break Fremantle down, 2016 shouldn’t have come as much of a shock as it did. Lyon showed in that season that we had no plan B, no way to cope with teams that moved the ball at pace and had multiple attacking options. The Bulldogs won the premiership on the back of fast ball movement while Freo were still stuck in the Paul Roos 2005 method of trying to grind teams down.

    The reality was that Freo were past it, the window had shut – but Lyon didn’t want to accept that fact.

    Rather than choosing to undertake a full rebuild at the start of 2017, Lyon chose a ‘re-stump, re-wire, re-plumb’ strategy, which backfired spectacularly and set Fremantle 12 to 18 months behind where they currently should be.

    Zac Dawson, Nick Suban, Danyle Pearce and Hayden Ballantyne are all players who should have been moved on after the 2016 season but were kept because Lyon’s ego was too big to attempt a full-scale rebuild. The latter players are still strangely on the list even now, when it is clear they will have no part in any future premiership tilt for Fremantle.

    At the start of the 2016 season Lyon signed a lucrative five-year contract extension that tied him to the club until 2020, a decision I believe has backfired spectacularly on the club.

    The reason is that Lyon can’t rebuild, he has never done it before. At St Kilda he inherited a side built by Grant Thomas and at Fremantle it was a side built by Chris Connolly and Mark Harvey. He’s never had to start from scratch like he has to now with this Dokcers side, and I don’t believe he has it in him to do so.

    Ross Lyon Fremantle Dockers AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    He doesn’t fill me with any confidence with the sides he picks, and up until this season he hasn’t given many young players consistent football. Even this season the likes of Hayden Ballantyne and Danyle Pearce have been getting regular football even though they have proven time and time again they are no longer up to AFL standard. It’s almost as if he doesn’t trust the young players to do the job.

    Lyon’s game plan seems not to have evolved even though football is completely different to how it was five years ago when Freo were in a grand final. On multiple occasions on Saturday night every single Freo player was behind the ball, and when a player received the ball in the midfield he had no-one ahead to kick to so had to go backwards or sideways. The ball movement is slow and frustrating to watch.

    It’s almost as if Lyon coaches any attacking flair out of the players. Stephen Hill seems a shadow of the player he was in his early years, and the elite foot skills his brother Brad had at Hawthorn have all of a sudden disappeared. Even new recruit Nathan Wilson, considered one of the best ball-users off half back, is now constantly butchering the ball.

    These are all symptoms of Lyon’s outdated gameplan which seems to be so ingrained into these players that any natural attacking flair has been lost or is forbidden from being used.

    The system which was once so effective seems to be lost on these players, and with the AFL continually updating the rules to encourage a more free-flowing and open play, it will only get harder and harder for Freo to compete with their current style.

    Fremantle Dockers

    (Paul Kane/Getty Images)

    It all makes you question whether Lyon is the right man to be coaching the team. I am certainly not the only Fremantle fan that feels this way – in fact most Fremantle fans I talk to agree that Lyon is not the man to lead Fremantle forward.

    Why, then, is he not under more pressure? Brendon Bolton, who in my opinion is doing a better rebuilding job than Lyon is, is under huge pressure to keep his job at Carlton, while Alan Richardson’s job seems to be as good as gone at St Kilda.

    What happened to holding the coach accountable for poor performances?

    When Lyon signed on in 2016 he said, “We’re certainly aiming for a premiership and you don’t shy away from that. Particularly by the end of this tenure, I’ll have no excuse to not have achieved that because we’re fully resourced, fully supported and I’ve certainly got a timeframe where I can make short-term and long-term decisions to get us where we want to be.”

    Two and a half years into his contract Fremantle look further away from a premiership than ever, and he needs to be held accountable for what he said when he signed on. He was going to lead Freo to the promised land by 2020 – but even the most optimistic Freo fan will tell you that’s a pipe dream now.

    So who should replace him?

    Peter Sumich is a name that keeps coming up in conversation, and for good reason. He knows the players well, has experience both at Fremantle and at West Coast and has been coaching Western Australia under-18s for the last two years, showing he has the ability to work well with young and developing players. It would also be the ultimate irony if Suma took over Lyon.

    Jarrad Schofield is another who would certainly be a good fit. He’s a two-time WAFL premiership-winning coach and probably would be a four-time winning coach if it wasn’t for the Dockers alignment with Peel. Subi are currently so far ahead on the WAFL ladder this season that they would probably challenge the likes of Carlton and Gold Coast if they played them.

    However, the dream choice would be Brett Kirk. The former Swans superstar was an integral part of Fremantle’s coaching staff in 2013, and Nat Fyfe actually credited Kirk as playing an integral part in his career development when he won the Brownlow. As much as I’d love to see it happen, he is Sydney royalty, so I would not be surprised if he eventually replaces Longmire.

    All of this is moot if Fremantle don’t get rid of the current problem that is Ross Lyon. The board continues to back him to the hilt despite Fremantle’s poor showings, though I really don’t the reason for it other than his long-term contract.

    There is quality in this list, I truly believe that, but it needs a fresh perspective to once again turn that potential into performances. I don’t think Lyon can change, and it’s time to cut him loose, despite the financial hit.

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    • July 11th 2018 @ 10:01am
      Aligee said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:01am | ! Report

      Give Suma a go, how could he possibly do any worse ?.

      Lyon was hired in controversy and he will go the same way, hopefully sooner rather than later.

      The jig is up and he appears to have lost the players.

      I am pretty sure that Zac Dawson would still be in the team if Lyon could get away with it.

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      July 11th 2018 @ 10:26am
      AdelaideDocker said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:26am | ! Report

      Well written article. I’ll admit that I’ve been a little back and forth on my opinions on Lyon. I’ve concede I’ve occasionally fallen into the supporters trap of when we’re doing well, he’s the man, but when we’re struggling, it must be his fault. I think that’s symptomatic throughout a lot of our fanbase.

      The thing is, I’ll lean more to the “move him on” bandwagon usually. In 2016, I was fine with him staying. In 2017, which I’d argue was a much more frustrating year than 2016, I was getting increasingly frustrated with Lyon (and the entire team, if I’m honest). But throughout those two years, despite all the heavy losses, I was always seeing the good in the team – the development. I loved when we sprung a win.

      In 2018, I’ve begun to grow indifferent. I’ll be crucified by Don for this, but I no longer feel the full excitement whenever Freo play. I’ll be happy enough missing watching them live. I didn’t head along when they came to Adelaide. I’m still rapt whenever we win, and I’m loving our playing group and our youngest players, but it’s been such a perpetually frustrating two years and I’m seeing almost no improvement. Okay, we might be winning one or two more games this season, but unless some sort of miracle happens, we’ll be as far from finals contention as the past two years come next month.

      I can see Don’s points of the side being hit by injury – and obviously the past fortnight in particularly, we’ve been affected by that. But look at out game against the Crows (no Sandilands, no Fyfe, no qualms in attacking footy at Optus) compared to the Melbourne game (no Sandilands, no Fyfe, no attack whatsoever) and you’ll see that we’re an inherently inconsistent team. Lyon doesn’t seem to adapt well.

      Ultimately, I’d be happy enough seeing Lyon go at the end of the season. Start ‘afresh in 2019. We have a legitmatrly talented side – not up in the upper echelons of the competitions, but still a talented side that will only get better with a few trading miracles (I’m thinking a McGovern … or two). Send Lyon on his way, get a fresh face in, have a side rejig and attack 2019 with a new mindset. That’ll be nice.

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        July 11th 2018 @ 11:15am
        Paul Dawson said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:15am | ! Report

        I feel where you’re coming from AD

        Leppa killed my interest in watching the lions too and so far it hasn’t yet recovered. Freo are dull as ditchwater to watch from all accounts, and unfortunately clubs are in the entertainment business as well – you gotta play entertaining footy, not just winning footy

        Ross has delivered neither in some years now

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        July 11th 2018 @ 11:29am
        Peter the Scribe said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:29am | ! Report

        Honest comments AD, who would excite you as coach if they were coming? Let’s say you could get Horse Longmire to chase the elusive first flag?

      • July 11th 2018 @ 2:30pm
        13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

        Yeah I feel ya, the interest and anticipation I normally have on game day just isn’t there. On the Adelaide game, I feel we read into it too much, myself included. The cold hard facts were that the Crows were absolutely shot by injuries and we beat them by 3 points. Don’t get me wrong it was still a good performance but some of the praise that Lyon got after that game from the media was completely unwarranted.

    • July 11th 2018 @ 10:45am
      Downsey said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:45am | ! Report

      I’m eating marshmallows for breakfast waiting for this thread to kick off.

      After the drubbing I got for questioning Lyon, I’m looking forward to someone else absorbing those blows. Granted, you articulated yourself far better than I could have, 13th Man.

      I agree that Lyon’s succession planning is shot, but I have a different take on it. 2014 he was doing a little tinkering and I didn’t like it. I thought it better to let our old fellas have one last consistent run around the paddock together. 2015/2016 he’s suddenly death gripping those ‘best before 2015’ players when he should have started a rebuild in earnest.

      I don’t know if contractual uncertainty or player loyalty factored into his decision-making, but it’s led us to this situation where our only option to replace injured players is with young, inexperienced ones. I absolutely love our youth contigency and I think they have been good enough under the circumstances, but I do worry that thrashing after thrashing will take its toll on their spirit (and potentially their bodies if they’re being pushed too hard too early) or on their club loyalty (Cerra, case in point). Yes, I want those young fellas out there, but not in those kind of unbalanced numbers and with too much responsibility on their shoulders.

      I will at least cut Lyon slack on SHilly. I was excited about him in his debutante year, so much so I thought we had a Peter Matera v2.0 on our hands. But SHilly is simply wired in a way where he prefers to play safe. I think he stifles his own game because he’s naturally reserved, rather than it being Lyon’s fault.

      My vote goes for Sumish as coach and Schofield slotted in there amongst all those convoluted assistant coach roles as his right-hand person.

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        July 11th 2018 @ 10:54am
        Downsey said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:54am | ! Report

        Sumich*

      • July 11th 2018 @ 2:49pm
        13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

        Yes I get the feeling i’ll cop a bit from the Lyon fanboys but i’m prepared for that! Yeah I agree with a lot of that, the warning signs were there in 14/15.

        On the young players, I think there is a lot of good talent. the likes of Cox, Ryan, Brayshaw, Cerra (if he stays), Darcy, Crowden, Giro and Banfield are all going to be very good players for us but I think they are hamstrung under this current system. I’d love to see Brennan Cox playing a lot more out of the goalsquare than he is currently being used, especially when Taberner comes back to play CHF.

        SHilly is an interesting one, I love the bloke but I remember some of the games he played in his early years and thought this boy would be a star. Still been a solid contributor but that dash and excitement he had in his early years seems to be gone. Whether thats his own fault or Lyon’s, we’ll have to wait and see but after 200 games I wonder whether he has reached his potential?

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          July 11th 2018 @ 3:35pm
          Downsey said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

          He hasn’t met his potential, but I feel like he’s always been a hesitant player. There were moments in his youth where he was more prepared to back himself, but even then I was still yelling at him to take a shot at goal when he’d stream out of the centre into our 50, and most times he frustratingly wouldn’t.

          The other names you mentioned he might have more to answer for.

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            July 11th 2018 @ 3:46pm
            Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

            Good article 13, the points raised have been my concern with Ross for a long time. With starting positions and other possible changes for next year how will he adapt if kept on, regardless of whether its detrimental Ross always plays a loose man in defence, thus won’t work next year and his inability to evolve his structure to accommodate recent rule changes is worrying

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      July 11th 2018 @ 11:00am
      Larrikin said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

      gold coast will win a premiership before this mob do. After all this time they are no better off since conception

    • July 11th 2018 @ 11:01am
      Jonboy said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:01am | ! Report

      Well done 13th you are 100% right. Everything is very true especially the 18 month stuff up by Ross he has sent this club backwards. Are Freo any better today than 2 years ago? The trash they have provided the last two games is unacceptable! If things do not improve a lot by the end of the season the board have to act! Members are not happy and will not buy expensive season tickets. Why would they ?

      • July 11th 2018 @ 2:42pm
        13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

        My family, and in more recent times myself, have continued to stump up money for this club year in year out and i’ll continue to do so because I love the club, but gee, I cannot remember a more disappointing time in the clubs history. Even as a young kid in the early 2000s when we were absolutely rubbish, I still remember more excitement than this. We didn’t win many games but there was a culture that has been completely lost!

    • July 11th 2018 @ 11:09am
      Dragon said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:09am | ! Report

      Excellent article by 13th man, and AdelaideDocker summed up my feelings exactly. “…i no longer feel the full excitement whenever Freo play”.

      That statement encapsulates many Fremantle supporters’ current mindset, and is a tragic indictment. Once that happens, and there is justification for that, the Board has a responsibility to act. Murray McHenry, Chairman of the WAFC, stated at the time of Lyon’s appointment, that he should only be there for 5 years, because of his style and its limitations. He was right.

      As 13th man noted, Brendan Boloton and Alan Richasrdson are under real pressure. There is a deal to be done and the Board needs to act. 2019 could be an exciting year. If Adam Cerra and Ed Langdon are not staying beyond 2019, then there is an opportunity for some game changing trades at the end of this year, with one of the better drafts looming, and the McGoverns keen to play together.

      I get the feeling that Lyon has lost the players. Rumor is they are not a particularly close group. Something needs to happen to break the current cicuit, otherwise we are destined for 2 more years of the same.

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        July 11th 2018 @ 11:37am
        Downsey said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:37am | ! Report

        My impression is that he has the support of the players and that’s why he’s had such longevity, but you might be onto something with team bonding.

        The recruits and younger players seem tight; they’ve spoken about their ‘group’ a few times in the media.

        But, according to a mate who was privy to something outside of footy, there’s tension between Ballas and Fyfe and that would probably spill over into different ‘factions’.

        Fyfe is doing his best as captain (although whether he’s suited is a discussion for another day) but I have a suspicion that he’s suffering from tall poppy syndrome from much of the team.

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        July 11th 2018 @ 1:41pm
        anon said | July 11th 2018 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

        Rosich is too gutless to question Lyon’s position because he’s the person who foolishly re-signed Lyon for five more year. $6 million contract I believe.

      • July 11th 2018 @ 2:25pm
        13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

        Yeah i’m the same. The excitement and anticipation I used to have on game day, even in the days of Connolly and Harvey just isn’t there.
        I get the feeling it isn’t a particularly close knit group. I do actually know a couple of the younger players and without going into detail at all I get the sense not all is right.
        Fyfe seems to work with Lyon well but i’m not sure his relationship with the younger players is strong. Apparently standoffish and distant.

        • July 11th 2018 @ 3:56pm
          Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 3:56pm | ! Report

          Apart from the fact they share a house with him and speak of him.

          “I have friends who…” Always a precursor to a made up fable.

          • July 11th 2018 @ 5:15pm
            13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:15pm | ! Report

            talking about Lyon’s relationship with the younger players not Fyfe

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          July 11th 2018 @ 4:03pm
          AdelaideDocker said | July 11th 2018 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

          I’ve got a uni friend who knows a bloke who works for the club (or at least used to) and I’ve heard the Fyfe rumours through them as well. I also work with a person who is best friends with one of our younger players, and according to him the player is very happy at the club.

          Mind you, I have zero clue how strict the club is with regards to players/staff not headed out and blabbing about how the club is going.

          • July 11th 2018 @ 5:19pm
            13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

            Oh I’ve heard the Fyfe rumours as well but I worded that slightly wrong. Meant to say that Lyon doesn’t have a strong relationship with the younger players. I’m aware that some of the youngsters live with Fyfe so I think that rumour is overblown.

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              July 11th 2018 @ 5:26pm
              AdelaideDocker said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:26pm | ! Report

              Oh for sure, I don’t think there’s any massive truth to the Fyfe rumour. Just a helluva lot of innuendo.

              On a more optimistic note, you know some of the players? That’s genuinely so cool!

              Also, your being in Year 12 during the ’13 grand final remind me of when I was in Year 12 during the 2015 final series. I was the happiest kid in the world on that Friday before the prelim, had a lot of friends message me when Sheridan dropped that mark, and turned up to school in despair on the Monday, knowing what I was in for.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 5:49pm
                13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 5:49pm | ! Report

                Went to school with one of them and played junior footy with another.

                Yeah 2013 was an awesome year up until the GF. I had WACE exams literally two weeks after the Grand Final so it wasn’t the best time yet my Granddad managed to secure tickets for myself, my dad and I, it was incredible and heartbreaking at the same time. The week before was the best, being in Freo that night after the game was simply unbelievable. Watching all the English fans at the World Cup right now reminds me of that night!

              • July 11th 2018 @ 8:12pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

                It’s OK, 13th. Now I know how young you are, I can be more patient with you and you can expect me to be less dismissive…but…more patronizing.

                There’s stuff you don’t yet get about being a supporter. You will.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 8:17pm
                Downsey said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:17pm | ! Report

                Buckle up, fellas. Don is home from work, had dinner and ready to get stuck in.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 8:38pm
                13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

                I may not ‘get it’ yet Don but my Dad and Granddad have both been members since the start and they too want Lyon out! It isn’t just the young supporters like myself that feel this way.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 9:23pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:23pm | ! Report

                Yes, but they may not know anything.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 9:25pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

                Don’t insult a blokes family Don in your attempts at cracking a gag

              • July 11th 2018 @ 9:30pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:30pm | ! Report

                No ‘gag’ there. No insult either. If they share 13th’s opinion, they may not know anything because the boy doesn’t.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 9:38pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:38pm | ! Report

                I’ll rephrase, no need to be inflammatory because someone has had the guts to write an article you disagree with, its rude and juvenile.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 10:45pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:45pm | ! Report

                Don’t think that when you get your argument hat on that anyone cares. You are as silly as Jonboy at those times.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 10:53pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:53pm | ! Report

                You’ll need a little more of classier retort if you really want to denigrate, but cheers for confirming you’re rude and juvenile.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 11:14pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:14pm | ! Report

                No desire to ‘denigrate’ but if you are fragile enough to read it that way, I’ll happily take the credit.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 11:59pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:59pm | ! Report

                Sorry kiddo I’m far from fragile, you’ve used three of your standards thus far now I’ll just twiddle my thumbs and wait for you to call me a baby or another of your high brow and cutting insults.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 8:57pm
                AdelaideDocker said | July 11th 2018 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

                Don’t worry 13th, Don doesn’t really appear to take the views of young fans seriously. I mean, he’s certainly pretty condescending sometimes.

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                July 11th 2018 @ 9:21pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:21pm | ! Report

                I don’t think he takes anything other than being condescending seriously.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 9:25pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

                Not when their youth amounts to tanties as a form of analysis. Example? “EVERYBODY thinks this.”

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                July 11th 2018 @ 9:32pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:32pm | ! Report

                You’re this supreme tantie chucker on this site so getting your knickers in a twist by chucking a tantie over someone having an opinion is counter productive to any point you are trying to make.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 11:43pm
                13th Man said | July 11th 2018 @ 11:43pm | ! Report

                This isn’t a tantie Don! Its an opinion piece on a ‘sports opinion’ site. I know your a teacher so your used to telling young people what to do rather than listening to them but in this case i’m correct. You are the only fan on here (haven’t heard from Dalgety) so far that really disagrees with my view on Lyon.
                I respect your opinion but i’m not going to change my mind just because you think i’m to young to make a valid argument.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 8:50am
                Don Freo said | July 12th 2018 @ 8:50am | ! Report

                Of course it’s a tantie. When I saw the author of this was you, I knew what it would be so I decided I wouldn’t bother to read it. It was only when I saw a reference to me and my opinion on the home page (Pete the Scribe and someone else later) that I thought I’d better read it if I was being referenced.

                It’s not hard to understand why fans of Freo haven’t responded. It is just a blind hate piece. You have got only Jonboy, Downsey and AD as Freo folk on here. The rest are the usual mockers…not Freo folk at all. A hate piece against Ross Lyon and Freo is always going to get agreement from non-Freo fans.

                The most prolific comment is yours. Hardly a glowing endorsement. You have got no Freo folk to agree with you. There are 100 comments and a quarter of them are made by you, then there is me rejecting the silliness. The 3rd most prolific is anon. That’s an indication of how little agreement you have. No one counts anon’s opinion.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 9:30am
                Jonboy said | July 12th 2018 @ 9:30am | ! Report

                You are a miniority Don get over it……why knock13th he has exceeded lots of authors, you sometimes have to face reality .

              • July 12th 2018 @ 12:47pm
                13th Man said | July 12th 2018 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

                You act as if like your opinion is the only one that counts even though you are clearly in a minority. I’d hate to be a student in your class if you are like this at school, the poor kids wouldn’t get a word in.
                Just because for some strange bizzare reason you can’t accept that there is actually a shred of truth in this you go on the attack!
                It’s ok your comments arent going to ruin my day!

              • July 12th 2018 @ 1:23pm
                Don Freo said | July 12th 2018 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

                Then you needn’t respond to them so childishly.

              • July 12th 2018 @ 3:55pm
                Jonboy said | July 12th 2018 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

                I am way older than DonFreo,he continually called me Jonchlld , continues to call and treat people like his ex primary school kids. When I started calling him FOS he backed off, Go Freo ………. Giro has always happened and he was

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                July 11th 2018 @ 9:32pm
                AdelaideDocker said | July 11th 2018 @ 9:32pm | ! Report

                Oh, Don.

                ‘Tanties’ isn’t what this is. It’s a well written opinion article. You just don’t like people criticising Freo.

                You’re passionate, I get it. I’m passionate about Freo as well. 13th would also be passionate.

                Other people would like change at the club. A club that’s stagnating a little. You just cannot seem to humour those thoughts for a second.

              • July 11th 2018 @ 10:22pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:22pm | ! Report

                It’s neither here nor there whether something is well written or not. It is another “I hate Rossie piece.”

                It is destructive of anything worthwhile. I’ll never accept that kind of mindset. What does it contribute?

              • July 11th 2018 @ 10:26pm
                Don Freo said | July 11th 2018 @ 10:26pm | ! Report

                As far as ‘stagnating’, that is ridiculous.

                You might look at the new talent, the Rising Star nominations, the kids who haven’t played like Logue and Darcy and you can call that stagnant. I say, “Pffff!”

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