Catastrophic officiating is Greenberg’s responsibility

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    “The buck stops here” – the sign on US President Harry S Truman’s desk.

    This is on you Todd Greenberg. This total disgrace of officiating is 100 per cent on you.

    You are the NRL CEO. How it is run is your responsibility.

    The NRL is not a sporting competition that can afford to be run by incompetents and amateurs, like a local footy club.

    It is a very serious business. It is a professional sporting organisation in which 16 clubs spend over $150 million a year just on the players wages.

    Where the broadcast deal is worth over a billion dollars and climbing. Where the number of signed up club members is higher than ever before.

    That scenario demands excellent administration.

    You are clearly not providing that.

    The total rolling debacle of match officiating is testament to your failure. The NRL Bunker is the total joke of Australian professional sport.

    And don’t you dare try and blame shift. Don’t you dare try and put this appalling state of affairs back on the officials. Don’t you dare try and treat these latest officiating incompetencies as isolated. They are endemic to the organisation that you have overseen.

    This is on you. The buck stops with you.

    You were the football operations manager when Tony Archer was appointed and when Archer in turn appointed Bernard Sutton as his right hand man.

    As CEO you have retained both in their roles and promoted them – without any apparent recruitment process involved – this season. You were the CEO who oversaw the institution of the Bunker, how it works and who operates it.

    You are the person in charge of it all. The buck stops with you.

    I, like so many others, supported you to the hilt when you instituted your penalty crackdown at the start of the season, only to see that bold initiative slide away under the barrage of dinosaur demagogue criticism it was subjected to.

    How are we fans now not supposed to think that your organisation is not beholden to those entrenched interests?

    And now you’ve overseen probably the worst debacle yet.

    Your touch judge clearly raised his flag. Whether he was right to or not is immaterial. Play had to stop. There is no acceptable alternate position. However, your referee failed to act on it and your bunker somehow awarded a try – that your own organisation’s web site says cost the Raiders the game.

    At any point, common sense could have prevailed but at no point did it do so.

    Gerry Sutton absolutely had to stop play the moment Rick MacFarlane’s flag went up. Once it went to the Bunker and they saw the flag had gone up they had to call it no try or send it back to Sutton as ‘refs call,’ advising of the raised flag.

    Gerard Sutton

    Referee Gerard Sutton. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

    That is just common sense.

    At a time that the NRL is facing monetary issues and the officiating is constantly going wrong, why aren’t Archer and Bernard Sutton actually manning the bunker themselves?

    What reason can they possibly have for not being there? What more pressing roles are they performing? These are questions Todd Greenberg should really be putting to his charges.

    Just like last week, when Sean O’Sullivan’s blatant knock on was deemed a try by the bunker officials, the issue for these abject failures isn’t the technology, it is the people using them and the flawed methodology they are being told to use.

    Archer and Sutton are clearly not capable of putting in place effective procedures.

    The awarding of the Sione Katoa try, while appalling, is just the latest travesty in this long-running debacle.

    And that’s on you Todd. It’s totally on you. You are the boss. You’ve hired and promoted the clowns running this seemingly endless circus.

    However, I’m betting the buck absolutely won’t stop with you.

    My bet is that since the 60th minute of Friday night’s match, most of the action at NRL Central has revolved around blamestorming and the imperative of finding a scapegoat. Making sure that the buck keeps moving.

    Here’s my prediction for what will now happen.

    – Tony Archer won’t take or have any responsibility attributed to him whatsoever for this debacle, in spite of him being in the newly created supremo role Greenberg promoted him to.

    – Sutton will blame the incident on MacFarlane raising his flag and say he shouldn’t have – and also possibly on Henry Perenara and Luke Patten in the bunker. He won’t be held to account in any way.

    – Unlike the demotion earlier in the season of Matt Cecchin for unknown and unstated offences or deficiencies, no responsibility or reprimand will be attached at all to Bernard’s brother, Gerry and his blatant failure.

    – Rick MacFarlane will be dropped from the NRL.

    – Henry Perenara may get apportioned some blame.

    – Todd Greenberg will do absolutely nothing.

    And here’s the thing: these officiating debacles will continue until someone has the courage and integrity to fix the root problem.

    The incompetents in charge of the officials must be removed. The constant stream of officiating debacles we have endured under Tony Archer and Bernard Sutton’s regime has clearly shown their inadequacy and unsuitability for their roles to anybody who is paying any attention.

    I sincerely doubt the courage and leadership to remove them will emanate from ARLC Chairman Peter Beattie or the other commissioners who sit on what many feel is nothing more than a ceremonial and toothless committee.

    So I’m pleading with you Todd: do your job. It is crystal clear what needs to be done. Remove Archer and Sutton and find us some people who can ensure that the match officiating is carried out well.

    The inevitable scapegoating and throwing of poor Rick MacFarlane under the bus will be a pathetic, all-too-predictable and shameful treatment.

    It is not acceptable or fair in any way.

    The NRL is a serious business that can not have any tolerance for such repeated poor performance.

    And the buck stops with you.

    Tim Gore
    Tim Gore

    Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the world's worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter.

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    • July 21st 2018 @ 10:19am
      kk said | July 21st 2018 @ 10:19am | ! Report

      Magnificent in timing and content. Have been with you all the way on this one.

      • Columnist

        July 21st 2018 @ 3:35pm
        Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

        • July 21st 2018 @ 5:13pm
          kk said | July 21st 2018 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

          Thanks Tim. Completed and signed.

          • July 21st 2018 @ 7:31pm
            WTF said | July 21st 2018 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

            Grow up children! With everything going on in the world there’s a petition to get people sacked of there job! In a game of Rugby League. Your a goose Tim.

            • Columnist

              July 21st 2018 @ 9:18pm
              Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

              Champion,
              Thanks for stopping by,
              FYI you mean “Their” and “You’re.”
              The way you’ve written it you are saying I have an “a goose” called Tim.
              With all that’s going on in the world you have time to comment on a rugby league article under the cover of a pseudonym.
              Oh, and the predictions in the article all proved spot on today. They scapegoated Macfarlane. I’m happy to stand up for him right now.
              Must be off to feed Tim the a goose now.

              • July 22nd 2018 @ 12:03am
                WTF said | July 22nd 2018 @ 12:03am | ! Report

                Your team lost…sign my petition, it’s not fair! This from a grown man! Pathetic..and you know it! hence the long immature rant and then the you can’t spell card…your a manboy and you just made it transparent for everyone on this site! How embarrassing!

                Also what difference does it make if you know my name or not? What, “you’re” going to dob on me? You want to meet behind the canteen at little lunch? My name is Danny Reagan if it makes you feel better champ…again, grow up and understand it’s a game to be enjoyed, not to sign a frickin petition to sack people because a few humans made mistakes! Unbelievable…from a grown man!

              • July 22nd 2018 @ 2:35pm
                Simon Best said | July 22nd 2018 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

                Wtf Danny Redman, stand down you goose, it’s called passion.

              • July 22nd 2018 @ 11:05pm
                Danny Redman said | July 22nd 2018 @ 11:05pm | ! Report

                It’s Passion😂! acting like a spoilt brat when things don’t go your way Is passion! And then getting all sensitive when someone has a go at you? Even though this guy has just ripped into referees and touch judges wanting them sacked…dish it out but cat take it back is not passion..it’s being a man child champ!

              • Columnist

                July 23rd 2018 @ 2:39am
                Tim Gore said | July 23rd 2018 @ 2:39am | ! Report

                Listen Danny, your limited comprehension isn’t just spelling and grammar, it’s in relation to the whole issue.
                If you think this is purely about one isolated incident you are a fool. This sort of thing has happened time and again under these blokes. As my predictions made clear – all of which came true in short order – they have form in these matters and they almost always scapegoat some poor official rather than accept responsibility and fix the inadequate systems they have been hired to put in place to ensure the games are properly officiated. Rick Macfarlane is getting blamed for the whole thing although Gerry Sutton and Henry Perenara clearly got it wrong too. But nothing happens to them. Further, the guidelines the bunker operates under, that Archer and Sutton were responsible for creating – were incapable of dealing effectively with the situation. These blokes can’t do their jobs. It’s a serious business. It isn’t acceptable.
                This has all been made clear in the article. But go ahead champ, say it’s because my team lost, you pillock.
                If you truly think distilling this down to team loyalty is a reasonable thought process then you are truly a moron champ.

    • July 21st 2018 @ 10:27am
      Justin Kearney said | July 21st 2018 @ 10:27am | ! Report

      The forward pass call was diabolical as well. I’m a Sharks fan but that was terrible last night.

    • Roar Guru

      July 21st 2018 @ 10:28am
      Emcie said | July 21st 2018 @ 10:28am | ! Report

      I take it Canberra lost?

      • Columnist

        July 21st 2018 @ 11:20am
        Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:20am | ! Report

        A little bit of rugby league died last night.

        • July 21st 2018 @ 11:52am
          Geoff from Bruce Stadium said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:52am | ! Report

          I’m finding it harder and harder to watch Tim. I can’t think of too many sports where a couple of poor decisions can have such a huge impact on the result. And I can’t remember a season like this one where a team has lost so many close games – most of them due to inability to close out games and some due to decisions outside their control. Somehow they find a way to get back up and have a crack the following week. To put a positive spin on it is was a pretty decent comeback from a team missing five key players.

          • July 21st 2018 @ 12:12pm
            Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 21st 2018 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

            Geoff it isn’t just the Raiders but they are one of the worst. The Raiders let go of star players over the years to protect the image of the game only to see those players stroll out for glamour clubs and taking up much less cap room. The injustices are beyond farcical.

      • July 22nd 2018 @ 12:07am
        jimmmy said | July 22nd 2018 @ 12:07am | ! Report

        That’s a poor comment Emcie. It was atrocious . Not rub of the green not 50/50 not a brain snap but total , utter incompetence . I feel like becoming a Raiders member. It’s not a joke .

        • Columnist

          July 22nd 2018 @ 8:28am
          Tim Gore said | July 22nd 2018 @ 8:28am | ! Report

          Jimmmy, that made me tear up a bit. Thanks.

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            July 22nd 2018 @ 10:22am
            Don said | July 22nd 2018 @ 10:22am | ! Report

            Tim my issue with your solution is twofold;
            1. Archer and Sutton would have employment contracts and unless there has been some prior formal notice of them being at risk of termination and grounds presented, they will need to be paid out if punted.
            2. Any replacement,if appointed from personnel from the last 10 years is unlikely to be any improvement on the current mob and overseas refs are worse.

            • Columnist

              July 23rd 2018 @ 2:22am
              Tim Gore said | July 23rd 2018 @ 2:22am | ! Report

              1. Worth every penny
              2. I’m prepared to wager that there are ten options far better than those two cliwns. I’m certain of it. You know what could happen? A group of qualified people could draw up a job description with KPIs that had to be achieved and duties that needed to be performed, essential experience and desirable experience. Then they advertise the job, shortlist the candidates and interview them. Then, following that process, people are selected and signed up to contracts which include kpis, 360 feedback, And regular performance reviews.
              This is the sort of process professional businesses engage. It was not used to appoint archer or Sutton. As far as I can tell both were arbitrarily appointed.

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                July 23rd 2018 @ 12:14pm
                Don said | July 23rd 2018 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                I’m in the exec management of a large business and yes, I understand best practice in both recruitment and employee development/ management.

                However, whilst they should go wide with their recruitment of any replacements, in a specialist industry like the NRL where not only does everyone know each other, we are also able to measure their merit before they even apply, I doubt the recruitment exercise would be for anything other than the optics of a fair process.

                I agree the current guys aren’t good enough. I seriously doubt that in the current NRL culture and in dealing with a relatively small talent pool, most of whom have been developed within this and similarly reactive cultures, we will see any great improvement.

                Unless you think that going back to the future will work and bring in a guy like Graham Annesley? Forget Harrigan.

    • Roar Guru

      July 21st 2018 @ 10:36am
      Adam said | July 21st 2018 @ 10:36am | ! Report

      I knew I’d be reading this today. It’s because it happened to the Raiders that Mr Gore has come out today.
      The way I see it is the bunker needs some adjustment. There needs to be more consultation between the on field referee and the bunker. Ie like union.
      Other than that I pretty much dismiss the rhetoric over the officiating because most of the time it’s false or grossly exaggerated. Like channel 9 last night and their complaints.
      You say you supported the crack down and I did too. But you know which dinosaur didn’t? Sticky. He said so last night. That he thought that there was a penalty almost every ruck and that’s what makes league great. Ummm? The problem with NRL officiating is that there are dinosaurs or people with too much invested interest who gets a say…

      • Columnist

        July 21st 2018 @ 11:14am
        Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:14am | ! Report

        So, your point is that I’m only saying this because it was the Raiders? Can I refer you to my article on Thursday when I raised against the equally appalling failure of bunker in the Titans game?
        Or does that not suit your patronising and I’ll based rhetoric? Seriously dude. Pull your head in.
        There is no commentator today saying it wasn’t a catastrophic failure of the officiating. One of the very worst we’ve seen to date. I’m pointing out that they are going to blame MacFarlane to distract from the overwhelming evidence that the problem is them. Im sick of the symptoms of their incompetence getting the treatment, rather than the clear disease.

        • July 21st 2018 @ 11:33am
          Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:33am | ! Report

          The Titans and Raiders cop the worst of the officiating by a mile.

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          July 21st 2018 @ 11:43am
          Adam said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:43am | ! Report

          I offered a legitimate solution to the issies with the bunker. As in the bunker shouldn’t be the judge jury and executioner but rather a point of reference for the referee like in union.
          I just don’t believe in throwing everything out just because of last night

          • July 21st 2018 @ 11:59am
            Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:59am | ! Report

            The bunker has been the best video reffing we have seen in the game yet. Huge improvement. Ricky was right if you reffed to the rule book 100% every 2nd set of 6 would see a penalty. RU of reffed 100% would see 10 minutes of actual play. It’s the on field officiating that controls the flow of the game. All they needed to do was get strict on the 10m rule. FYI I believe letting advantage be played and penalising deliberate bat downs from defenders stopping try’s should have been brought in years ago. Vossy pushed to adopt the RU rule of players hitting the corner post and that has been a great move.

            • July 27th 2018 @ 10:47am
              Chris Love said | July 27th 2018 @ 10:47am | ! Report

              Agree on the advantage but the bat down there is nothing wrong with and RU absolutely has this wrong. Don’t want your ball knocked down then don’t pass it that close to the line. Simple.

        • July 21st 2018 @ 12:39pm
          Albo said | July 21st 2018 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

          As I responded to your Thursday article Tim, if ever the officials are going to cost a team the premiership, it will be this year. Blatant & costly errors from the officials continue to increase this season. We get plenty of apologies from them but no improvement in accuracy of decision making. The Bunker is the main problem, where the participants there can only be labelled as either terribly incompetent or corrupt . There can be no other explanation. With all the time and technology available they still make horror calls. . Either way these bunker men need to be dealt with, or scrap the whole bunker function, as it is adding nothing to the game but controversy.

        • July 22nd 2018 @ 3:47pm
          Ron Norton said | July 22nd 2018 @ 3:47pm | ! Report

          Bernard Sutton has today admitted that the Cronulla try should not have been awarded and that the forward pass his brother called to rob Canberra of a match winning try was, in his words, “OK”. But you are right Tim, he has placed all the blame on the linesman. No doubt he will be the fall guy. Yet the referee, Bernard Sutton’s brother, should have stopped play when the linesman raised his flag. And doesn’t it seem a little strange that none of the bunker officials saw the linesman’s flag raised? What were they doing in the bunker … playing poker? They obviously weren’t watch the game, or the replay, if they didn’t see the linesman’s flag raised. And there were at least three of them in the bunker at the time. Strange, to say the least!!!!

      • Roar Guru

        July 21st 2018 @ 1:23pm
        Michael Keeffe said | July 21st 2018 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

        I think anyone who watches rugby league knows the Raiders got ripped off last night. So because Tim is a Raiders fan he shouldn’t write the article???

        As fans we can cop the 50/50 decisions. We yell at the tv while the game is on and then calm down within a few minutes because we realise it was 50/50. Neither of these calls last night was 50/50. The touch judge putting his flag up and the Leilua “forward pass” were howlers. Combined it’s a 12 point turnaround in a game the Raiders lost by 4 points. The Josh Hodgson strip and knock on whilst probably wrong can be put in the 50/50 category but they clearly got the others horribly wrong.

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          July 21st 2018 @ 4:08pm
          souvalis said | July 21st 2018 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

          Come on..you put those same 2 teams out there this afternoon you’ll get the same result..this poor little Raiders is going too far..there’s not a team alive that hasn’t been hit by a forward pass…and that Katoa try..whoop..we saw two brilliant tries by the Sharks,who absolutely ripped them apart then lowered the intensity…People starting to make a myth out of a mole hill here…yeah,the refs erred,what’s different to last weeks Titans game ?

          • Columnist

            July 21st 2018 @ 5:50pm
            Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

            Nothings different! It’s the same ineptitude! That’s the whole point!!! I even say that!!!

            And at no point does this article say poor Raiders. It says MacFarlane will be thrown under a bus (check), B Sutton will dodge blame (check), Tony archer won’t be sighted (check), Gerry Sutton and the boys in the bunker will totally escape sanction (check).
            If you want to troll go ahead but you’re just pointing out you didn’t read the article.

            • Roar Guru

              July 21st 2018 @ 6:47pm
              Renegade said | July 21st 2018 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

              Macfarlane is the reason we are even talking about this…. why does he not deserve to be held accountable?

              If they said he didn’t do anything wrong… you’d be on here writing how they have their heads in the sand… are you trying to land a gig with the DT?

              • Columnist

                July 21st 2018 @ 7:03pm
                Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 7:03pm | ! Report

                Certainly he got something wrong. It then had two opportunities to be contained. Sutton and then the bunker. Both failed. Only Macfarlane punished. What a culture to work in. Through junior under the bus!

              • Roar Guru

                July 21st 2018 @ 7:27pm
                Renegade said | July 21st 2018 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

                The bunker and Sutton did not get it wrong though… that’s the point mate.

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                July 21st 2018 @ 7:40pm
                Renegade said | July 21st 2018 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

                And please, let’s not talk about work culture when it’s a rubbish environment to begin with….Considering outsiders such as the media can have a say on whether you’re doing a good job or not and the general public itself regardless of their qualifications…. it’s not a healthy place to work is it.

              • July 21st 2018 @ 8:05pm
                Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 21st 2018 @ 8:05pm | ! Report

                The biggest problem is they play off people’s passion for their side. I’m guilty of this probably as much as anyone but while the Sharks didn’t do anything wrong the Raiders didn’t either and were impeded by an official’s decision during play. It can’t be a try if we’re being fair.

              • Columnist

                July 21st 2018 @ 8:07pm
                Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 8:07pm | ! Report

                Of course they got it wrong!
                There is no world in which that try was fair or reasonable. The NRL has said as much. The system failed. The guidelines weren’t able to deal with the situation. And no one had the brains or bollocks to stop it.
                And I have no idea what point you are trying to make about work culture.

              • Roar Guru

                July 21st 2018 @ 8:33pm
                Renegade said | July 21st 2018 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

                You raised the point on work culture due to the touchie being held accountable…

                Ramien did not touch it and the NRL have come out and stated that on that specific play…. the issue was the touchie raising the flag for 0.5 a second for some bizarre reason before changing his mind – that is the issue here.

                If their wasn’t a blame anyone but ourselves culture at the Raiders… Bateman might have actually played to the whistle and tackled Katoa instead of throwing his arms up. Then again, this doesn’t become a talking point… ultimately the touchie is to blame for his brain snap and partially the raiders players.

                I can’t see how this leads to three different functions of the NRL needing to resign.

              • July 21st 2018 @ 9:21pm
                Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 21st 2018 @ 9:21pm | ! Report

                Renegade your argument is completely pointless because your only looking at it from the Sharks POV. The Raiders were given directive by the sideline official which impeded them but still play was allowed to continue. It’s the referee’s fault for not honouring his officials initial reaction. It’s the lack of knowledge the modern day fan has on fundamentals of the game that allows the chaos to ensue. The rules that were heavily enforced during the crackdown earlier this made no sense and I can’t understand why people applauded it. NRL logic: we’re enforcing the 10m rule (why isn’t this the norm), we’re putting emphasis on the attacker to clean up the ruck?? Yeah that makes sense. Players need to put their foot on the ball…..but that foot contact isn’t the clear point of when the defence can leave the line to tackle? These work against each other and show no forethought and intelligence. Ricky Stuart was right a referee could honestly award 60 penalties apiece if the letter of the law was adhered to.

              • Roar Guru

                July 22nd 2018 @ 12:20am
                Renegade said | July 22nd 2018 @ 12:20am | ! Report

                No, I’m looking at it from a sharks point…I’m saying the touchie stuffed and regardless of what occurred there was going to be a blow up.

                We could do a mass clean out of NRL but what will that achieve…. there doesn’t seem to be anyone willing to stand up to the clubs or media, the last guy that did – got called a banker and they ran him out the country.

              • July 22nd 2018 @ 12:31am
                Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 22nd 2018 @ 12:31am | ! Report

                You’re a perfect case of why there isn’t complete outrage across the code. Your sides on the right side of the equation mostly so all logic and reason goes out the window.

              • Roar Guru

                July 22nd 2018 @ 9:55am
                Renegade said | July 22nd 2018 @ 9:55am | ! Report

                Snoop, my team was on the wrong end only a few weeks ago…. and there wasn’t any outrage because the side simply didn’t play good enough to win otherwise it wouldn’t have come down to that call.

                They also got bundled out of the semis last year on a whole bunch of 50/50’s… no outrage because they simply didn’t play well enough.

                I’m just not one to blame others …. now you can get off your high horse and stop throwing lines around not seeing the “logic and reason” garbage.

                A touchie stuffed up and his action was always going to lead to a blow up regardless of the outcome… it’s as simple as that.

              • Columnist

                July 21st 2018 @ 9:21pm
                Tim Gore said | July 21st 2018 @ 9:21pm | ! Report

                I can see you don’t understand what I’m saying. And we’ve been friends too long to fight needlessly.

      • Roar Guru

        July 21st 2018 @ 5:10pm
        Cadfael said | July 21st 2018 @ 5:10pm | ! Report

        Sorry Adam but once the touchies flag goes up, play stops. it is the same as if the referee blew his whistle.

        • July 21st 2018 @ 8:16pm
          Snoop Bloggy blog said | July 21st 2018 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

          Are you sure Cadfael? I think someone should check the rule book because in my experience it’s the main ref that has sole power over all decisions. It’s just become such a given that the touchy raises his flag and the ref trusts his team.

    • July 21st 2018 @ 10:51am
      Lovey said | July 21st 2018 @ 10:51am | ! Report

      Now the game is all about completed sets and field position, penalties are more critical than ever in determining games. When I watch with the sound off I can often not know what penalties are for, and replays often show the wrong decision was made.

      Just a couple of thoughts – slowing the play the ball is a blight on the game, yet it is SOP in the middle of the field, but a professional foul close to the tryline. Also I am uneasy about a player being sin-binned because three of his teammates did the same thing before, but got away with it.

      • July 21st 2018 @ 3:30pm
        Michael Gannon said | July 21st 2018 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

        Watched Storm v Manly game again. The refs can all game call out or ignore defenders who are deliberately offside at marker or inside the 10m. But when a Manly player is accidentally and unknowingly offside thats a mandatory penalty, 2 points penalty goal and loss of the game, even though the rules say an accidental offside is a scrum.

    • July 21st 2018 @ 10:52am
      johnnyball said | July 21st 2018 @ 10:52am | ! Report

      Disagree on one point Tim, the pedantic crackdown early in the season drove thousands away from the game.
      Many of us got up and changed the channel mid game as the game bogged down in frustration and loss of momentum.

      Last nights Raiders travesty epitomised the trouble the game is in and why ratings and crowd attendance is dropping.
      Another galling aspect is that of evening up the penalty count. what’s the point? Six penalties to a particular side usually determines the result of a game then the losing side is evened up with a few awarded on their line for shame’s sake. Not half good enough.
      Why do teams at the bottom of the ladder miss out on the 50/50’s to the benefit of a higher placed team such as last night’s game?

      The bunker really should go and refs once more made responsible for the running of the game.

      • July 21st 2018 @ 11:10am
        Justin Kearney said | July 21st 2018 @ 11:10am | ! Report

        Ratings and crowds aren’t dropping.

        • July 21st 2018 @ 8:07pm
          Guinevere said | July 21st 2018 @ 8:07pm | ! Report

          Yes they are Justin.. actually crowds are pathetic anyway

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            July 21st 2018 @ 9:18pm
            Renegade said | July 21st 2018 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

            Not when you look at facts… but let’s just go with “Guinevere said so”.

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