It is time to experiment. Instead of the usual Monday callout for questions, I am going to comb out the issues which matter most to forum posters and try to answer those at Coach’s Corner time. Feel free to point the way and suggest topics in the forums to any of my articles!
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There remains a question about how well Australia’s Super Rugby competition prepares potential Wallabies for the step up to international level. At the end of the third Test against England, Swiss Rugby Fan summarised it nicely:
Too many times they [Wallabies] were isolated after a run. Not in sync with what they are doing. Can’t remember this happening to one Irish Player. Sometimes it seems like they are playing the game too fast for their own skillset.
It’s a great observation. As I pointed out during Super Rugby Pacific, the average ball-in-play time in games between the Australian sides was around 32 and a half minutes per game, around three minutes less than matches between Kiwi sides.
Ireland, and the Leinster team on which they are squarely based, regularly play in games with over 36 minutes of ball-in-play time, and the final round Six Nations match versus Scotland topped 40 minutes. The individual skill-sets and tactical patterns are honed to a higher level because they are put under strain for longer periods, so they are more robust.
The Wallabies were trying to play the right kind of game, but with too little background to enable it to succeed in Sydney. Dave Rennie needs more Super Rugby franchises to embrace an up-tempo, high ball-in-play style to give that grounding. It will help develop items like speed to the cleanout, quicker realignment, tighter phase patterns on attack and the game intelligence of Australian number 10’s.
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Questions abounded about Wallaby skipper Michael Hooper. Some revolved around his presence in the side, even more about his ability to be an effective captain.
Hazel Nutt commented:
Hooper’s strength historically was that he made it to almost every breakdown to ensure a ruck was formed on our own carry, and the ball couldn’t be pilfered, and contested or slowed the opposition’s ruck. He has to get it out of his head that he’s a ball runner.
By his own sky-high standards, ‘Hoops’ will probably admit that he has not been at his best in this series, although the third Test showed that he is getting back to it. As usual, he had the most significant ruck arrivals of any Wallaby – 22 on attack and 8 on defence – and topped the Australian tackle count with 10 tackles and no misses.
The number 7’s role in the modern game is increasingly not about being chief pilferer on the deck. Rugby is evolving in such a way to make that process team-wide. It was Ireland second row Tadhg Beirne who won three crucial turnovers at the breakdown towards the end of the third Test against the All Blacks.
The number 7 can achieve defensive turnovers by different routes. Hooper tormented England scrum-half Danny Care in and around the base of the ruck, so much so that Care was hooked by Eddie Jones before half-time:
The first instance is a significant ruck arrival on defence. Hoops can’t pilfer the ball, but he can work through a cleanout attempt by Owen Farrell and play Care’s arm as he goes to pass the ball. Turnover Australia.
In the second example, he anticipates that Freddie Steward will win the ball in the air and goes straight through on to the England halfback, forcing a knock forward. Turnover Australia.
That kind of game awareness is dearly bought by experience at the highest level:
England have made a break and Hooper is first to the ball, pinning Olly Chessum to the floor to ensure he cannot get up and make a second legal play at the ball. Penalty Australia.
This is Hooper keyed in at lineout defence around the fringes, first blocking the path forward for Jamie George and then reacting quickest to retrieve the fumble on the ground. Turnover Australia.
This is an illustration of what a good 7 can do to enable others win pilfers on the deck without getting the credit himself. Pete Samu is on the ball but needs protection against the cleanout in order to win it back. Hooper gets ahead of the England support and the double jackal overloads the cleaners. It was an echo of that crucial goal-line turnover in tandem with Pistol Pete on the Wallaby goal-line in Perth.
The more pertinent questions centred around Hooper’s captaincy:
Does the captaincy sit lightly on Michael Hooper’s shoulders? Does it subtract from his abilities as a player? Another interesting model has developed in the course of the Australia-England series. Up until recently, Eddie Jones had been adamant that a fully-fit Owen Farrell was the captain to lead England to the World Cup.
That perception seems to have changed now, with Eddie commenting that “With Courtney’s [Lawes] more laconic style, they have created a great fit at the top.” England have benefited from a more laid-back figure as captain, supported by Farrell’s more active and aggressive involvements in the team leadership below.
James Slipper, Allan Alaalatoa and Matt Philip all fit that particular bill. They are stable, but they are not nailed-on starters in the run-on XV. The other hope is that a player who is a definite starter (Nic White) would swiftly morph from poacher to game-keeper, given the chance. As Dean rightly says, it is probably a hypothetical question now, even though Michael Hooper’s mode of communication with the referee still leaves something to be desired.
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Lots of interest in Taniela’s Tupou’s comeback from fatherhood in time for the second Test in Brisbane.
Train without a Station rightly applied a starting ‘brake foot’ to the debating scrum, when he said: “You cannot ignore that Tupou is [only] two games back after a reasonable lay-off. It’s unreasonable for people to expect him to be at his best immediately.”
Even making allowance for the initial lack of match sharpness, there was some discontent in the ranks:
Regular readers will know from previous articles that Taniela Tupou’s work-rate has often compared unfavourably to that of his main rival for the tight-head spot, Allan Alaalatoa. Triple A may not have Thor’s explosive impact at the scrum or on the carry, but he does hit more rucks and make more tackles.
Ellis Genge is a good measuring stick for Tupou, because he also tends to thrive on making big, spectacular involvements rather than a steady drip of solid ones. Here is an oven-ready comparison of the pair over the last two Tests, when they were in direct opposition:
Player | Carries | Breaks/ tackle busts | Tackles | Ruck Attendance |
Taniela Tupou | 11-24m | 5 | 8/11 | 13 |
Ellis Genge | 13-43m | 4 | 9/13 | 13 |
Both played roughly the same number of minutes, and Genge comes out slightly ahead, especially on the carry:
Both have similar explosiveness on the run, but Genge is in better control when he goes to make pass at the end of it.
The Leicester man is also more capable of ‘repeatable actions’ – he can get off the floor and get back into the play faster. At one stage in the second half, he made three telling runs in the space of four phases:
It is fair to say that Taniela was outwitted, rather than out-powered at the scrums. In the preparation for Leinster’s European Cup quarter-final against Leicester, it became obvious that Tigers liked to close the space on the ‘E’ of the ‘Engage’ command. Ellis Genge was clever about it: he would regularly pull back at the first scrum in order to entice his opponent across the gap early and draw a free-kick. That would put a damper on the urgency of all his future engagements.
That is exactly what happened to Tupou at the first scrum in both the second and third Tests:
When Genge starts winning free-kicks and penalties, he also starts talking, telling both the referee and his opponent all about it!
Ellis successfully pressed the ‘mute’ button on Taniela, and he and Jamie George dominated the conversations with the match officials in both Tests. There are valuable lessons in scrum smarts, and work rate on the carry to be learned for the Tongan Thor.
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The state of self-questioning, and not a little self-harming among New Zealanders on The Roar ran deep after the first series loss on home soil since 1986.
CEO Mark Robinson was playing with a very straight bat after the loss to Ireland:
We are still none the wiser about the status of Ian Foster’s position as head coach of the All Blacks.
Daniel’s point is well taken. There has been a plan of succession from Graham Henry to Steve Hansen, and on to Ian Foster in order to preserve continuity. However, that has not taken account of a difference in personalities: ‘Ted’ and ‘Shag’ have obvious leadership personalities, and they were happy to take the lead in dealings with the media as All Black coaches.
Ian Foster may be a very good coach but he squirms away from the harshness of the spotlight, and interface with the media is rather more than 50% of a head coach’s job at Test level in the brave new world of rugby. So, there is definitely a case for keeping him as a part of the coaching team, but changing the man at the top. It worked for Wayne Smith, it might work for ‘Fozzy’.
The multiplication of ‘X-factor’ individuals as a path to improvement has been a historical weakness in All Blacks selection since the game turned professional. The choice of players like Christian Cullen and Mils Muliaina and Leon MacDonald in the centres in previous generations bears testimony, and it has happened again in the Ireland series.
The All Blacks finished with Beauden Barrett at number 10, David Havili at 12 and Rieko Ioane at 13 for the decisive third Test. Havili is a number 10/15 convert, Ioane and Barrett are both arguably better players in the back three. They were in opposition to two out-and-out centres in the shape of Robbie Henshaw and Bundee Aki, who would not be considered for any other spot in the back-line by their teams. The difference showed in the Kiwis’ relative lack of know-how in the physical and technical details of the game in contact.
The single biggest area which set the platform for Ireland’s success in the series was their ability and desire to score tries. Previous opponents have come to the shaky isles hoping that an accumulation of three pointers can somehow outweigh the All Blacks’ capacity to score fives or sevens. Not so Ireland. The British & Irish Lions scored four tries in three games to draw a series in 2017, Ireland scored nine and that made all of the difference.
Fox
Roar Guru
Yes you might be right about that – he was a very special winger no question and they say he is still the fastest over 40 metres of any All Black even Jordan, Reece or anyone. Regardless of what I think he may end up back there anyway the way things are going but not if we keep getting endless 12 – 13 – injuries. I am happy to see him on the field as he is one of our best attacking weapons because he takes off like a rocket and is 105kg and one of our best cover defenders as well. The selections this week – tomorrow is the day – will be intersting with Irish Joe having a say. Not sure there will be a heap of changes though – some sure – but not all that many. Also, Caleb Clerk just has to play IMO. James lowe was always a very good player and has a great left boot on him as well. Ireland have done well to have him – a good rugby brain on him as well and goes looking for the ball. He was highly ranked in NZ even before he left. The Chiefs have never fully replaced him IMO.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
I am pretty sure they would get a lot more out of Rieko on the wing too. If he had been allowed to develop there he might have been world's best by now - look at James Lowe.
Fox
Roar Guru
All good Nick I know how you feel about Reiko and RTS and no hard feelings my end so all good. And don’t think they have much choice but to experiment at the moment Nick to be honest. Akira will play 12 next! …only kidding … :silly: Bit annoyed actually I wanted to see Goodhue in the 23 at the very least.
Fox
Roar Guru
Yes agree completely Nick - Time will tell I guess.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
I don't know whether he's feeling his way back in still, but his work rate was not up with VdF's in the series...
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
Repeat: there is no aspect of that Blues midfield which is the answer at Test level, but hey, experiment away :thumbup:
Fox
Roar Guru
As if to back up my argument Nick about Goodhue and ALB - Goodhue has gone down with yet another injury before the SA 1st test - I mean seriously people - is it any wonder we don't have a settled centre combo. This is becoming ridiculous now.
Fox
Roar Guru
Yes I think you are right about that and let’s hope for Sams sake he gets back to what made him captain in the 1st place. Because at his best, IMO, he is of the most damaging 7’s in the game. But that is not quite where he is right now….mind you, just loved that hit he did on Furlong who took a while to get up off the deck shaking his head almost in admiration of the hit and Furlong is no mouse in the size stakes – hell of prop as well. Would have to make an all time Ireland 15 surely? But that hit from Cane was a friggen monster and that is the Cane we love to see but more mobile than of late. Nice reminder though.
Fox
Roar Guru
Good point Nick but NZ centres have been plagued by injuries in last 18 months so combination have been hard to produce and ALB is still out but IMO he is just too injury prone now, When he comes back – bet he doesn’t go past 3 tests if he starts without coming off injured unfortunately. He barely manages more than that for Chiefs. You cannot build a centre combnation around injury prone players ( no matter how good they are) in my humble opinion and it is completre folly to do so before a WC. You will pay. The problem is Nick neither BB or Mounga have managed to gell with their 12 in the last two years IMO with one exception – when Mounga starts and Goodhue plays at 12. But those times are few and far between and revolving 10’s has not helped either in the last two years. And BB has combined well with RTS for the Blues this season. So is it really rocket science? Settling on combinations and positioons for players has been an issue under Foster, though not all his fault with the injuries to be fair to him – but still. Watch De Groot against SA Nick – he should have been in damn side in the 1st place – fitness issue they said – hmmm….
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
Yes Sam is not quite the same since his injury for sure, but I guess the ABs still have to construct a B/R around him and Ardie.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
It's a combination at 10-12-13, no point in picking individuals aside from that.
Fox
Roar Guru
I didn't say they were not Nick ..." I think the Irish pack certainly showed that your comment above is true in test two and 3 but not test one in the backs." I think Sam Cane is still the biggest hitter in the NZ pack and a hell of a player but I am wondering how much toll all those injuries have had on him phyically and psycologically Nick. And I did say at the start that Cane should not be captain of the AB's to allow more flexibility in the backrow. I mean at the moment it's a dice throw for just 6 and the bench two. Josh van der Flier came over here with big raps on him and he proved that he is a world class player in NZ. Outstanding.
Fox
Roar Guru
I still think he is very good centre and want to see him stay there Nick no question and will only get better but I am not thinking of what may come about as a result of the loss to Ireland that is all. And all I said is he has to start somewhere and acknowledge you think he should be on the wing – that is not the same as saying he should not be centre and read between the lines Nick old son – I said at the end Jordan on one wing and Clerk on the other and did not name a centre so deductive reasoning would suggest where I have Reiko…hey just sayin’… I think the bigger issue is who is at 12? Umaga Jenson is worth considering if not out injured as well. To be honest Nick right now I would just like to see the forwards get our backs regular front foot ball – that would be a good start! But the lineup will be intersting this week with Irish Joe having a big say in it now and I would suggest a bigger say than they are letting on.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
I do recall you saying that NZ would run away from Ireland in the last 20'. I just don't feel you are aware of how Leinster/Ireland play the game now. For example, the stats from the series say that Josh van der Flier made twice as many tackles as Sam Cane, and 33% extra carries.... Ireland were the fitter and faster team.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
IIRC you were pumping Rieko's tyres at centre Fox!
Fox
Roar Guru
Actually I didn’t make a prediction at all. I did say they won;t win at Eden Park and it will be good series but the AB’s would be difficult to beat in NZ and that Ireland away record in NZ is rubbish which until now. But sure the end result was a surprise in game two which sort of set things up for game 3. I think the Irish pack certainly showed that your comment above is true in test two and 3 but not test one in the backs. But Ireland are no1 in world now – as Richie McCaw used to say being number one is easier than staying there and I doubt any side in the world can or has done that better than the AB’s. So we shall see how long Ireland hold onto it. They deserve to be there no question – they have earned the right of passage – but now they have to show they can hold onto it for more than just a year or worse – it becomes just a pasing phase. In NZ Nick, its how long you hold onto no1 or any trophy that counts for much more because the AB’s know how to do that better than anyone else in the game. Ireland have a better head coach than the AB’s right now as well and by some dsitance IMO and Eddie showed as I did predict he would – that he is a very shrewd coach. Not the best man manager but one of the best at outsmarting an opposition tactically even if its for one big game. He has earned my respect over the years.
Fox
Roar Guru
No not at all but be fair Nick - I think Sotutu deserves a run off the bench as we didn't deliver against the Irish and he was one of the few that was not a part of that. I think Owen Franks should be in the side as well. He is still the smartest and best scrummager in NZ still playing. There is only one spot available in the backrow as Savea and Cane are starters for different reasons. SB won't play 6 either as we are down a lock. I would like to see Frizell get a run over there as well but he has not played alot of rugby of late. How the backs line up will be interesting. I do agree with you that Jordie should get a run at 12 but I just can't see that happening and especially as Foster is now the backs coach and that will be where he concentrates his efforts they are saying. Reiko has to start somewhere - yes I know you think it should be wing - but along with Jordan he is the best attacking back in NZ. And Caleb Clerk is fit again and boy did we miss his impact as kicking to him is highly dangerous. He is the closest thing we have had to Lomu in a while in terms of power and pace on the wing. De Groot must start - not in the side before - but he is probably the prop with the most potential in NZ with Newell who has come in as well. Will BB start of Mounga? They are both world class players but neither set the world on fire in test 2 and 3 and Mounga had 43 minutes on the park but had little impact off the bench unfortunately. Maybe just not a bench player - not all of the best players are - its like they need to get a read on the game before they really fire. Maybe Mounga is one of those who knows. But if he plays 10 then i think Jordie should play 12 and BB 15 - Jordan fans will hate me. Jordan on one wing and Clerk on the other.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
Were you not predicting 3-0 and and AB runaway against Ireland Fox? :stoked: New Zealand are not a poor side by any means, and I think they will prove it by winning at least one of the games in SA. But one thing the Ireland series proved conclusively is that Kiwi teams are not more skilful, fitter or cohesive than Irish ones. In fact, Ireland are slightly ahead. It's not a matter of simple picking diff players, or even diff coaches and then you will see the 'real' All Blacks who were somewhere in hiding against Ireland.
Nicholas Bishop
Expert
You just keep pushing all those Blues players Fox. Do ppl never learn? :laughing:
Fox
Roar Guru
All true Nick but Australia - some quarters - is driven by a picture of the past in style. But that style - ion that form - is not possible these days. Rush D's - better organised D's more players who can jackel ovet the ball. Most tries by wingers these days is to run the last 4 metres - there were more tries scorted at interanational level from all over the park than there is now IMO. The game has changes and while possession is a key component in any team sport - style and what you will do with it when you get it it is also important. We will see this weekend just how mauch the new coaching set up and time to reflect has had on the AB's against the Boks. The team selections will be intersting as we now know that this time Irish Joe is a big part of that. I know from a friend of mine in Auckland who works in admin at the Blues - well the friend of my sister actually - that despite his knockers Irish Joe is big fan of Akira whether that means anything. Bet Sotutu is in the 23 this week. He was the best Blues player in the SR final.