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AMD is a Brisbane-based rugby league, football, cricket and cycling supporter.

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'There's no quick fix': Kimmorley says more tough times ahead for Tigers as Naden sent off in Manly rout

Very nice piece of writing, Ghost.

I hadn’t heard of the Johnny Wardle story before – only bowling over the wrist away from Blighty – and it’s a good example to demonstrate your point.

It reminds me a little of English football’s distrust of South American players until the game really opened up around the turn of the century – all raw talent, but not up for the physical stuff, or so they thought.

Matt Parkinson and the plight of the English leg spinner

“Seriously hates the way QLD view SOO with so much passion?”

It’s quite the opposite, Rob. I marvel at it in the article, while pointing out that I don’t quite get it. I also state that I care very much about Origin.

This is another incoherent post you don’t appear to have given much thought to.

“To right an article about it suggests other wise.” Oh dear.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Didn’t Sidney Deane play for Norths in 1908. 😊

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Not sure what you’re getting at there, Mushi.

Is the death star some sort of casino?

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

No issue with any of that Nat and I wasn’t suggesting the QRL could/should have swum against the tide.

NSW had every incentive to retain the status quo and easily could’ve, but ultimately didn’t. And here we are today.

I don’t think NSW were angels, but nor do I think there was any injustice, other than that Qld inflicted upon itself.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Rob, I think the key was that Qld was the better prepared side. They had a defensive plan to negate Cleary’s influence and executed it very well. They may even had other ideas but NSW were a bit one-dimensional.

Lots of pressure on NSW now, but they’ve got the players to execute a more tactically flexible approach. Should be a fascinating game two.

Can beaten NSW bounce back against magic Munster?

Jeremy Marshall-King. 😊

NRL NEWS: Wallabies coach's sly 'Lebanon' dig at league, Yeo cleared over concussion, Dolphins nab Titan

Yes, good observations and it wasn’t just Gagai getting in Cleary’s way.

The biggest story was the complacency and laziness of NSW’ game plan. Do the Penrith thing with different players involved. Queensland won’t see it coming, boys.

Gagai missed 10 tackles but was best defender and most important player in Origin I

Two related points both covered above:

1. Qld dug itself into a hole with its backward economic policies and yahoo governments; it didn’t have to do that (agency) and it was a significant factor in the talent drain to NSW (and not just in rugby league, and not just to NSW);

2. Despite its inertia and vested interests, NSW RL did Qld a big favour in collaborating to get Origin off the ground. That was the impetus for the QRL to modernise and eventually compete in what was to become the NRL.

Like I said, I don’t mind propagation of the ‘injustice’ myth but, while the QRL was partly a victim of forces beyond its control, Queensland was not. It can’t be an injustice if the thing holding you back is your own state.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

If I could follow Rowdy on this forum, I would. 😊

'Special week': Root seals England win over New Zealand

Hi Nat,

Matth said something similar and I’ve certainly observed how the history has passed into a popular mythology that very few Queenslanders seriously examine. I know, that’s not the point of the exercise.

Trouble is, not much of the mythology survives even rudimentary historico-political or socio-economic analysis.

The old interstate series was really unbalanced. Why? The rules established in the early 20th century (partly, but it wasn’t all one-way traffic). Conspiracy begetting injustice (no, get real). Structural economic and historical factors (yes, definitely). Cultural imperatives and choice (yes, definitely).

As I said to Barry, NSW was wrong to oppose Origin initially. But what incentive did they have at the time to change? If Queensland wanted to win more, the onus was on them to get their act together. Why should the rules change because they Queensland couldn’t get its act together?

Queensland rugby league was, of course, subject to political and economic forces well out of its control – you can argue that Origin is a not insignificant moment in the broader history of Queensland. Somebody should write a thesis about it – somebody probably has.

I don’t mind the injustice myth – I’d just like more Queenslanders to accept that their state had agency – in other words, a choice in where they ended up by the 1970s.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Erm…

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Greatest what?

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Haven’t we got enough to argue about without getting bloody rugby union involved?

Qld cheated last night. CHEATED I TELL YOU!

Or NSW were just crap and Qld were good. No – THEY CHEATED! 😁

NRL NEWS: Wallabies coach's sly 'Lebanon' dig at league, Yeo cleared over concussion, Dolphins nab Titan

Oh, c’mon. Can we not start a new code war polemic, please? I don’t have any problem with what that guy said. Move along – nothing to see here.

NRL NEWS: Wallabies coach's sly 'Lebanon' dig at league, Yeo cleared over concussion, Dolphins nab Titan

You already have the Exalted Master of Horses, Matt. You’ll be right.

NRL NEWS: Wallabies coach's sly 'Lebanon' dig at league, Yeo cleared over concussion, Dolphins nab Titan

It’s interesting how people remember things – and don’t remember them.

The old interstate series is seen as an injustice. Maybe it was to some extent. But it was also just a format established in the early days, the outcome of which was disproportionately skewed one way due to economic multipliers and pull factors.

It’s not like it never worked for Qld either – Jim Craig and Vic Armbruster moved from NSW, along with Duncan Thompson who moved back to Ipswich, to form their great team of the ’20s.

Not many like to admit that the economic malaise – and by extension rugby league malaise – was mostly self-inflicted. NSW wasn’t responsible for the insular backwardness that led to the kleptocracy that emerged in the 1970s and the cartoonish villains who ran it.

It’s easy to look back with hindsight and say NSW was wrong to initially oppose Origin. They were, of course. But they had little incentive to shake things up at the time. If Qld wanted to win they needed to sort out their own backyard. Why should the rules be changed because they couldn’t?

Inertia and vested interest on the part of NSW, certainly. Injustice, please.

Whatever the case, it’s good the rules were changed. Here we are today after a cracking game last night. I’d trade the next seven for a competitive Dragons team.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

True – but I’m sure Slater would’ve done things differently in an ideal world, without injuries and reshuffles. Cotter was very good.

Origin Talking Points: No Plan B for NSW as Queensland outthink the Blues

Never claimed to, Mando.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Really interesting points about Slater’s use of the interchange and tactics, Mike.

I feel this is worthy of further analysis, not just for SoO but in the NRL. Many of the better teams – Melbourne, Parramatta and North Qld – are using their benches really well and strategically.

I’m sure you can isolate some key points

Origin Talking Points: No Plan B for NSW as Queensland outthink the Blues

Lucky bludgers. Melbourne supporters, not you. I enjoyed the Cowboys’ triumph.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

Great stuff.

Team number 18: the Lismore Marist Brothers Rams.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

C’mon, I was young and in an awkward spot. Didn’t want to annoy a powerful person who I incidentally never actually met in person.

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

No, no I don’t. I’m not supposed to though, am I?

'You just don't get Origin': Recollections of a New South Welshman in enemy territory

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