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A Queenslander never forgets a selection slight.

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Josh do you mean Hazlewood? He was available for selection wasn’t he? They just didn’t pick him.

I do admire the way Langer has turned things around – by not trying to be England, by picking experienced players in the side (Khawaja, Lyon). He also had the benefit of Mitchell Starc.

The main mistake they made during the World Cup IMHO was not picking middle order back up. They had four openers but only two middle order batsmen, both all rounders.

But anyways my point is that he’s had a world Cup why not give someone else a go?

Justin Langer should stand down as ODI coach

I think all countries should have separate coaches for separate formats. It’s simply too hard for them to stay on top of their game in all three.

Also maybe Stanlake and Short will come good – just feel they should learn their trade at domestic level a bit more. I actually thought it was worth playing Short in the middle order a bit more – but they gave him this long run as opener when we had plenty of opening options.

Justin Langer should stand down as ODI coach

isn’t there already a director type figure? whoever took over Pat Howard’s job?

Justin Langer should stand down as ODI coach

If it’s a clear cut selection, absolutely. But I think if players are about even – and Shaun Marsh has similar numbers to a Bailey or a White – you look at what else the players bring. For whatever reason Marsh has been given little captaincy responsibility. Bailey and White are two of the most successful of all time. I think their presence in the group would have added immeasurably in leadership ways even if they weren’t captain. I think it was Ian Chappell (it might have been someone else) who once said every team should have about five or six alternate captains. In the 2010s there have been a number of times when Australia had a lack of captaincy options and I think it hurt the team.

Eleven Australian batsmen given the flick for Shaun Marsh

He had a knack of not getting runs whenever spots were available. I remember being surprised Marcus North got the nod over him – he was a contender that far back.

Eleven Australian batsmen given the flick for Shaun Marsh

Yes I should have made clearer – none of this is Shaun Marsh’s fault. It’s not his fault he gets picked

Eleven Australian batsmen given the flick for Shaun Marsh

I would’ve gone (1) Warner (2) Finch (iwth Khawaja as next cab on the rank for either) (3) Smith (4) Handscomb (5) Maxwell (6) Turner

Lessons learned from Australia's World Cup failures

I remember that game – they were just unlucky Bevan was one of the all time great rescue artists.

If it makes you feel any better you did roll us in 1992! I reckon the semis of this one will be between England, India, NZ and South Africa – not that that’s v patriotic of me.

Lessons learned from Australia's World Cup failures

My worry is that our squad is overloaded with top of the order players. However Smith’s innings the other day gives me hope maybe he could do well down the order. Maybe it’s worth trying him at five?

Lessons learned from Australia's World Cup failures

Australia is exceedingly spoilt when it comes to World Cups. The lack of opposition in 2003 and 2007 is really surprising.

Lessons learned from Australia's World Cup failures

He did lay the platform – but the middle order couldn’t cash in and put the game away from India. In ODI cricket it’s those 35+ overs which are so crucial.

Lessons learned from Australia's World Cup failures

I think it was Jarrod Kimber who once said if he thought too much about the treatment of Brad Hodge he would go insane.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Hey Josh
Thanks for your comment.
I agree the standard of batting isn’t as high (unless the bowling has gotten super better… which I don’t think it has).
But I think over the past decade there have definitely been players who deserved chances given to the Marshes.
Back in 2008 Shaun was picked on the Indian tour over Brad Hodge who had just played against the West Indies, effectively ending Hodge’s international career – he was disposed of much too early (FCA of 48). Rogers and Voges were given chances v late in their careers despite strong records whereas Marsh was rushed in to the side. David Hussey (FCA 55) was never given one test. Cameron White (first class average just a little less than Marsh) was given four tests… as a bowler.
Ed Cowan wasn’t a barnstorming success at test level but his first class figures are near Shaun Marsh but he was booted with almost undue haste.
Callum Ferguson was given one test.
Maxwell’s first class form has actually been quite consistent over a decade but he’s only been given sporadic tests.
Wade’s actually the one who has had a decent run – I never would have picked him as a keeper (Chris Hartley should have been Haddin’s back up, and Neville shouldn’t have been dropped).
But the issue is the amount of chances players get. The ones I’ve listed above have gotten one or two chances (Wade got three, I think). The Marshes get chance after chance. That is what wears people like myself down.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Thank for clarifying.

Appreciate you have a different point of view – but I can’t help it: after a decade of watching the damage done by the favoritism shown these two, the careers thrown away so that they would get another chance, my temper with their continued promotion is frayed.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Hey Josh thanks for their comment. I don’t want them never to be picked again because they’ve been selector’s pets. It’s because they’ve been given so many chances over the past decade and can never be consistent – at ODI and test level. They have had their moments absolutely and get everyone’s hopes up but can never sustain it. The selectors in the past have overlooked plenty of players who’ve had great domestic seasons because they’re not considered the right stuff – Wade recently, but before him Klinger, Hodge. I think Bevan and Elliot a few years back would carve them up at Shield level and never get a look in. But the Marshes seem to operate under a different set of guidelines to others.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Colin Milburn as well

PSA: Mark Cosgrove is in England too

You are very generous to managers, players and coaches. I would argue with the Marshes we have a decade of performances at international level to use as a sample

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

It’s the favouritism that gets people down. People hate the favouritism, not the player.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Handscomb has a better strike rate (98.58 vs 81.48), can play in the middle order where we are weak (our only options are Maxwell, Stoinis and Carey, everyone else is a top four player). Handscomb does average 5 runs less than Marsh but bats lower, and is a better fielder.

Though you are right about your last paragraph in all fairness – but then both Marshes have been shown so much favouritism over the past decade and been so erratic yes I would not pick either of them in any international format even if they averaged a hundred. I think neither of them should ever be picked for Australia again.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

I might agree with you if the selectors hadn’t shown such consistent overwhelming favouritism towards the brothers over the past decade.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

The selectors said Handscomb was omitted for Steve Smith, but I feel he should have gone instead of Marsh. They could have gotten around it by taking another batsman.

re: Mitch in the Australia A squad, if you’ve followed his career you’ll understand my paranoia 🙂
And I think Shaun is definitely still in the test frame.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

No one is denying Shaun Marsh’s talent. He is very gifted. And very erratic. He’s been given so, so many chances and has taken them sometimes.

Mitch’s test selection has never been justified. His ODI selection was. It’s a shame though we didn’t explore other all rounder options (if Ashton Turner could bowl again, that would solve lots of problems)

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

They could have gotten around it by taking an extra batsman instead of a bowler – I don’t think anyone would have cared if, say, Handscomb had been picked over Behrendorff.
re: Mitch in the test team – for me it’s been his lack of first class runs. If someone is struggling at test level but has an awesome first class record, give them the benefit of the doubt, sure, but his first class average is 31 and has been about that for a decade.
But that hasn’t stopped the selectors. Pattison’s own coach said he was only capable of playing two test and would need to be protected – which just opens the door for a bowling all rounder at six despite the continued disastrous history with that in the past.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Hey Rellum – thanks for commenting. I would argue though that most (if not all) Australian cricket fans have nil personal disdain for Marsh. Never have. By all accounts he is a fine person. I’m sure he’s a good guy, husband and father. It’s just the favouritism shown to him over others, over so many years, which gets people down.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit

Hey Dave – did I say Shaun Marsh wasn’t responsible? Not having a go – genuinely checking – that wasn’t my intent, and if people read that from this, it wasn’t meant to be the case.
Having said that I do think we can make some generalisations about the Marshes because of the consistent favouritism shown to them throughout their careers – after the squads were announced Langer specifically brought up his personal relationship to the boys and their father.

Selectors can’t rid themselves of the Marsh habit