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Poor start cost them and they could just never recover. I feel sorry for the Canes but that’s sport.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

Sure NZR can just go after all those other teams they had lined up in 2020 when RA said no to the NZ suggestion of 3 teams.

Brumbies' Super campaign blows up AGAIN as Aussie rugby's hoodoo in NZ continues

While they conceded to much to early the majority of Blues scores were hard fought and even when behind the Brumbies kept going in both attack and defense. Still the best Oz team and probably the 3rd best team overall which isn’t bad.

Brumbies' Super campaign blows up AGAIN as Aussie rugby's hoodoo in NZ continues

More or less. Once the Rebels were gone all the players became free agents. He would have a bad agent if he just took the deal RA offered.

Carter Gordon's shock code switch: Wallabies No.10 announces NRL move

No he wanted more game time not more money. Its unclear how much he was offered in Ireland but he wasn’t signed as a starter at Connacht. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rugbypass.com/news/no-one-wanted-him-ex-wallaby-says-hansen-had-no-future-in-australia/ as the article says it was Brumbies looking to offload him and if not for his agents connection to Friend he would nolonger be playing.

JOHN CONNOLLY: 'It's a disgrace that the Rebels were set up to fail from day one'

If you mean you lost you might want to read up on the howlet saga and how he had no team. Henry and Co chose to focus on the 2011 WC and didn’t renew players like Howlet who they didn’t feel would make the WC. Yes players left but it was NZR who didn’t give out SR contracts not players turning them down.

JOHN CONNOLLY: 'It's a disgrace that the Rebels were set up to fail from day one'

They beat a Wales team who had no overseas players which are key players for the team. Wales also sacked their coach and got it a much better coach.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

Based on all the games he played in Oz. WC is about your squad and that lost to Italy. Under Rennie they were competitive but still found ways to lose games. Occasionally they would have the Wales 22 win (who sacked the coach they were so bad) where they were behind for most of the game and when the opposition got a yellow they scored 2 tries at the end.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

But Oz couldn’t play like England which was their problem, they had no basic game plan. This was because players couldn’t manage a breakdown and weren’t going to learn in 3 months.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

How did Rennie do against those teams on the road. Argentina won in NZ and are a WC team. As bad as Eddie was I think Oz had one win against him at England. They beat Wales and Scotland who weren’t allowed to pick OS players. Same issues in 19 were the same issues during the SR seasons between WCs and also at the 23 WC.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

Lots of people seem to forget Rennie played the first two RC at home. He won 2 from 10 games in Europe which was where the WC was going to take place.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

No but they know what the WC entails and won’t want to fail twice.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

They were by far the youngest squad. Their average age was 25, NZ and France were 27, Ireland 29 and South Africa was 30. Looks to me like he was looking at 4 years time.

'Super Rugby's dying on its arse': Eddie Jones' brutal verdict on game's domestic crisis

Looking in the big issue is neither Union can do what it wants. If SRAu was going on Rebels would have been kept but they would have had funding cut and told to get a much smaller wage bill. But in SRP they aren’t going to put in a team on a 2m wage bill. NZR probably would have added a 6th team years ago but didn’t because it would weaken the NZ teams for about 3 years. SR Trans Tasman is the best for both but neither want to walk away from SR because its all they know. If these guys had been around in 1993 or 1995 SR might never of happened

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

Jacko what is the running cost of the Blues, Auckland and BOP. If you just had to pay of Blues and BOP would it cost more, its debatable. NZR could give less to the richer unions to help the poorer unions. Is it costing 5m to run an NPC team

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

If the NPC published by out clauses for their players they could make good money with OS players. If the NPC teams used the players commercially better they would be stronger than the SRP teams to have no players and little cost to get them.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

It is normally out 2 months at this stage. I think it will focus alot on income and say losses is due to starter costs. But losses are still money that needs to be found to pay Bills like RA are find out.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

You have to wonder if the NPC is losing money because they have to do things that cost alot of money (giving SR players large top ups). If the NPC is not there then most of those costs still have to paid but no NPC income. Can SRP teams afford the extra wages and if they are not paid how many players leave OS or NRL.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

When everyone wants to watch the AB games and get drunk and it’s all the media talks about from July to November why should fans care about the NPC. Even SR suffers from this where its all about the ABs.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

OB isn’t that the problem. People are just skipping all the other rugby and just watching the ABs. We are now heading into only the WC matters so how long before the WC sees a big increase in viewers and other tests get less attendance. In Ireland GAA is what Rugby is in NZ and the All Ireland which has 32 teams gets massive crowds. The Munster Hurling will get 20+ per game which funds the grassroots. If it was all about the provincial team they would get more fans to games but alot less games so way less money.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

France are drilling down and setting up more professional teams and their figures are growing quicker. They have 44 academies giving 500-1000 people jobs. These small towns are then getting more engaged with the team not less. If NZR were selling SRP and NPC games that were both played the same weekend you would get more viewers and bigger deals

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

MRL has a tiny budget but young players are happy to play a year or two for a small wage as they might make it. Once they spend 6-8 months in a real job it’s alot harder to get them to stay semi pro.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

Agree, longer season has to happen. I think if NPC was played at the same time as SR then unions like BOP etc could see their fans engage more. Could also allow the SR sides to have a home game most weeks and do nice double headers in planned correctly. Also allows the 20 year olds in the SR’s NPC side to learn more playing against 30 year olds while also playing training matches against SRP side (it’s what Bulls etc do with their CC and URC Tuesday training matches)

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

Not sure who was doing the numbers on the NZR side during SL but to be surprised there are not money trees out there that cost alot of money to plant and time to grow might sum up the issue. Moving the Fiji game to the US sums up the problem. They didn’t have enough time to set it up in Fiji (or NZ and share the income), but they in a non rugby city with few fans. So NZR doesn’t get the income from the 3rd test and hopes the benefactor comes back next time. NZ v OZ games are by far the biggest for NZR and RA but NZR happy to tank RA so they can get the SA tour quick fix and disregard the RC that is working.

NZ Rugby's civil war: How Australian Super Rugby clubs could suffer collateral damage

Would any of us choose to go there.

Carter Gordon's shock code switch: Wallabies No.10 announces NRL move

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