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WRU had all their issues as they got rid of people with Business experience at the top level and put in a school teacher who was at the heart and sole of grassroots rugby. It didn’t go well. Knowing Rugby isn’t important when it seems everyone at the top knows rugby but few know business.

Rugby News: RA hunting missing million after contract blunder, Suaalii worth 10x more than his deal, McKellar's big win

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surely the board and everyone else knew about it. It it only Hamish’s fault or is it the system’s fault. Hamish is gone, everything is great again and the system works perfectly seems to be what everyone is saying but what about the other 10+ people who should have spotted there was a problem well in advance in when they did their job, they are all still there.

Rugby News: RA hunting missing million after contract blunder, Suaalii worth 10x more than his deal, McKellar's big win

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What experience do the current people in charge have with running a missive company. You are correct that Hamish had issues but how do the current people fix the financial issues.

Rugby News: RA hunting missing million after contract blunder, Suaalii worth 10x more than his deal, McKellar's big win

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If they sell out the first Tahs game do we know how much that would generate. This weekend Leinster v Munster was sold out in front of 50k which would generate about $2-4m. Most of the big teams once they get over 20k attending would be looking at $1.5m minimum. Just wondering if anyone knows what 50k for the tahs would bring in. Hamish’s 50m does seem very pie in the sky unless games generate more.

Rugby News: RA hunting missing million after contract blunder, Suaalii worth 10x more than his deal, McKellar's big win

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Sums up were RA is in terms of governance. Yes Hamish was at the helm but I doubt its his job to do up the contracts or atleast chase the French for one. Until RA make home games pay the bills RA is going to choose away games over home games. RA use to get 60k for home games now if its not NZ its a fight to even break 45k (NZ used to get much higher than 60k). Still not sure on the JS deal. If will generate interest money can’t buy but would $5m over the same period invested in the 18-20 year olds not have generated more long term. We saw last year Tahs had 25k for their first game but they didn’t keep it there and if they sell out their first game with JS its great but no good if they then go back to average attendances for the rest of the contract.

Rugby News: RA hunting missing million after contract blunder, Suaalii worth 10x more than his deal, McKellar's big win

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So who did the deals and why are they now leaving. RA is desperate so why wouldn’t they and why they wanted him to stay on the board.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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6d

If they new it was coming why don’t they have the next up lined up.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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6d

Agree, for all the failures on the field and maybe even off it against NZR I am not sure they lost a battle over money or SRP structures. Last thing RA need is someone who is too honest and accepts “the best solution” rather than fight their corner and then make a deal.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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Fair but with an ego like Hamish he was never going to demote himself. I find the Big Ego lots of Oz’s top level people have infront of the Media (I am sure they are wonderful in person) esp in sport. When things are going well its great as it gives everyone following them such confidence, but when it goes wrong the ego becomes the big problem. Was interesting watch Eddie and the English media and fans 2016-2019 and then 2020-2022 and how the biggest fans became the biggest critics because of the ego.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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Losing to Italy is a big deal as so few T1 sides lose to them. Since 2013 6 Nations when they had beaten France and Ireland (France finished bottom that year and the Irish coach was sacked) they have beaten Scotland 2015, South Africa 2016, Wales 2022 and Australia 2022. So I think most T1 countries that lose to Italy see it as unacceptable. Crowley didn’t have his contract renewed with Italy due to their first loss to Georgia in 2022, having first losses usually don’t work out well for coaches. Eddie was sacked after losing to Argentina for the first time at Twickers. If Rennie was a good coach he would be back in one of the big leagues. Not sure Glasgow would have him back.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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People who wanted more running rugby gave us the bunker. Who was it again who was calling for a stop to the 3-4 minutes refs were taking that everyone saw and heard to be done in the background to make the game faster.

'That was a mistake': Top ref's blunt verdict on World Cup bunker call

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5d

he is a leading ref when he agrees with the people writing the article. Barnes was a great ref for he quarters when the defending team did better but when he refs the same way in the final he is a bad ref and just the same as 2007 where he was afraid to make the big calls. Maybe if NZ had learned to kick points in 2007 as a result of losing that game rather than the ref losing them the game they might have won this one.

'That was a mistake': Top ref's blunt verdict on World Cup bunker call

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5d

that scrum should have been a free kick to SA based on the WC calls in previous matches (such as Ireland v SA) as one team was pushing before the ball was in. We have even seen it mentioned as another time in the final they were robbed as they were clearing going forward, which if true with no ball in its a free to SA.

'That was a mistake': Top ref's blunt verdict on World Cup bunker call

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5d

thats the problem, people give out the refs don’t do more to speed up the game and when they do people give out they did it when they did it. In Soccer teams and players were know to go in really hard on players in the first 5 minutes because they knew the ref wouldn’t give a card incase it ruined the game. they then got told it was unfair, once they started doing it they were ruining the game.

'That was a mistake': Top ref's blunt verdict on World Cup bunker call

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5d

But people complained when refs got things wrong which is why we ended up with the TMO to help the ref. then people complained the TMO and ref took to long to make a call so we ended up with the bunker. Now we get the ref doesn’t have the power and we should just give him back all the power and the cycle starts again.

'That was a mistake': Top ref's blunt verdict on World Cup bunker call

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5d

Is this really the hill that NZR and their media want to die on. Do you hear the French and English going on and on about this call or that call. French have more to be upset about than NZ who got so much more from the ref than SA in the final. L’Equipe ran an article sayin that WR had told the FFR that the kolbe charge down was wrong as was the Eben knock down. It came out, storied died in a week and everyone moved on. They get that try they don’t get the other one. The way RM was kicking he probably would have missed. Foster in an interview said the game should have finished with a penalty to NZ and as he said himself a similar distance to the one Barrett missed from. I guess Raynal is now the best ref ever.

'That was a mistake': Top ref's blunt verdict on World Cup bunker call

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5d

Not to do deals but to tell the companies that they should stick with RA. Deals is more than just signing contracts. Who has signoff power from Cadbury and are they a mate of Hamish and gave him a mate rate or are they a person that other members of the board have the relationship with. As I have said in the posts above for the last 20 years the person removed was the problem and the new person was going to fix it all but they leave being the problem and the next guy will be the solution. Hamish was brought is due to his connections in Corporate Oz, so the new guy why is he brought in.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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6d

So a man who sorted a bunch of deals which deals just happen to fall apart when he is gone is just him talking. Most know how these deals work where everyone knows everyone and the people with the power do it for mates. If we don’t think they are reaching out to him to buy them time then things either work differently in Oz to the rest of the world or the people running RA are incompetent. Last thing the board want is for an origination living on debt to have people paying big money pulling out and saying they don’t want anything to do with them. Them leaving and new people signed up is how it normally works.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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But was the same not said about all the others before them and yet here we are still with the same problems. Both Eddie and Hamish had issues but they aren’t the system that has had all the issues. I think it was the head of RA in 1997 when he retired and wrote his book he talked about how RA were nearly bankrupt in 1997 but people felt it was better to spend the money and hope for future investment following the 2003 WC. 25 years on it we are hearing the same things. The only difference now is that OZ are not the best team in the world like they were for alot of 1996-2003 so people are asking questions. Agree Portugal sum up what is good about rugby but they live within their means, they hope all their best players go OS and use the Lusitanos as a way to put their players in the shop window. Following on from their WC appearance in 2007 the Union stopped moving forward and after years of being rubbish they were relegated to the Trophy (T3 of European nations). This forced the Union to kick into gear and sort out their under 20s system which resulted in them being the second best team u20s T2 competition in 2018 and 2019. In 2019 they were beaten by Japan by 1 pt. to get into the u20s Championship (T1). Maybe RA should do the same but not sure fans would be so accepting of seeing no player in Oz earn over $200k a year.

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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6d

When all the dust settles I wonder will more come out about stuff. Love him or hate him Hamish is right to tell them to get lost on doing deals for RA as they removed him from the role. I don think we are only getting half the story or what is holding things up as both Eddie and Jones have mentioned things being to slow

'Shame on the plodders': Hamish blasts RA 'boneheads' as Harvey Norman deal ends - but founder denies link to axing

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I would guess that the Monpieller job will pay more than the previous job but they want results. Not sure the Monpieller style would suit him though as much more like SA since the Jack White days. Big and strong but often out thought

Rugby News: 'I'd feel like a traitor' - Eddie says he'd reject prestige job, reveals surprise Japan 'stumbling block' as SBW goes WHACK

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1w

More to the Exeter story apparently as it was a tourist from another country who was not white. Can’t blame a club for someone who was not their fan.

Rugby News: 'I'd feel like a traitor' - Eddie says he'd reject prestige job, reveals surprise Japan 'stumbling block' as SBW goes WHACK

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Not sure if you saw the value of rugby unions in terms of brands. Report came out about a month ago. SA has massive financial clout and whereever they are that competition does well financially. SA teams have had a slow start but the Sharks have a massive issue, new coach same problems.

Exclusive: Rising Wallabies hardman set to leave Australian rugby in warning sign for RA

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Was reading the Scottish financial report for 22/23 and the two Scottish club’s income is up 20% since 2019 and is expected to grow another 4% this year (Scottish teams play 4 less games then they did in 2019 aswell which makes it more impressive). Compare that to what the OZ SR teams are generating compared to 2019 and it could be a 20% drop. Until SR is treated like a league that must grow its revenue. It doesn’t have to be expected to stand on its own but must generate income.

Exclusive: Rising Wallabies hardman set to leave Australian rugby in warning sign for RA

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the person who signed off on his $500k wage know they will be sacked if they make bad buys. I am sure they have looked at all the stats and the couch believes he can fix the fixable things.

Exclusive: Rising Wallabies hardman set to leave Australian rugby in warning sign for RA

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