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I guess I’ll address them then.

1. Explain why it matters how recently they requested it. That it’s not always been the case doesn’t make it right. Maybe it was always wrong. And I never said all games at Docklands were forced, but that they were forced up until recently. For roughly a decade they openly said they didn’t want games there.
2. Perhaps there were glaring holes in your reading of the argument. I specified that other MCG teams play at Docklands. I just highlighted Collingwood becuase they host a Docklands specific team there every year. And it’s strange to assume a Geelong fan wouldn’t remember where that game was held, given it kick started their greatest ever era. And that one game they hosted a few miles away from home doesn’t make up for the many Geelong have hosted literally at Richmond’s home ground.
3. By never I meant never from this point. The way the AFL is currently thinking they would never currently send Richmond there.
4. No I’m not being presumptuous. I’m making the point that no one ever worries about lock outs other than Geelong games. No one cared about Richmond playing in Hobart in 2016, or a prelim at Spotless the same year. Caro even said in a podcast yesterday that was okay because it probably didn’t lock out that many. It’s either okay or its not…

On the Freo thing I’m not sure what your point is. Those other teams you’ve listed aren’t Freo.

The GMHBA final integrity contradiction

Thankyou kindly

The GMHBA final integrity contradiction

Can you specify some of those? I’d love to discuss them with you. I’d counter you at this stage by saying the saga wouldn’t have existed in the first place if it weren’t for wild assumptions from us fans who weren’t involved. But I would like to hear your perspective

The apology AFL fans needed, not the one we deserved

I was arguing the outrage was based upon misinformation, and contractors stances. He should never have had to apologise. And yes, they do everything in the interest of fans. Fans hate the congestion so they change the rules. Then they get criticised for changing the rules. Theres no winning

The apology AFL fans needed, not the one we deserved

Well you’re right, it would definitely increase scoring. It would also mean no reward whatsoever for good defence across the season, thus totally annulling one avenue of integrity in our great game. An idea that would actually destroy the game, not fix it

The easy fix to the AFL's scoring woes

With pleasure. He imparts it upon everyone else like it is fact, when it simply appears within his own belief system. It is telling people to be a certain way, because they will be punished if not. But the punishment is burning in hell for all eternity. I’m sure you can decipher the bullying in that?

As for the arrogance? Well, haven’t we all heard the term ‘hate the sin, love the sinner’? Well, what a sham that is. His posts says nothing about homosexual behaviour, but homosexuals. The love the sinner nonsense is how they’ve always gotten away their dated beliefs. It seems they don’t always have to pretend there’s any more noble a cause than conformity. You will conform to our requirements, or else you will burn in hell… You don’t detect a hint of arrogance in that?

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

Well thankfully we have IVF. My statement that being gay is okay doesn’t need to be extracted any further than the statement itself. Especially not with maniacal hypotheticals

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

I appreciate the feedback. And accept it was along the more sensationalist lines.

I would defend myself and say the bullying claim while perhaps unexplained was sort of implied by his actions. Telling someone they are going to burn in hell for eternity seems like bullying to me, to do so in the name of your ‘beliefs’ is arrogant, because it means you can justify any old thing it says. But to be fair, I didn’t explain that

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

But then we run the risk of allowing much worse things than nasty Instagram posts.

I read all yours comments, and understand your slight moral dilemma. But there needn’t be a dilemma. You were against what he said because he hurt people. You’re against religious organisations sacking homosexuals for the same reason.

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

It is addressing, specifically, the idea the so many people – I believe the majority of those on his side – who are arguing his right to free speech. The insinuation being that it doesn’t matter what you say, no matter to whom and no matter the circumstances, you must be allowed to say it. I used ridiculous examples to highlight how ridiculous that argument is.

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

Where did I go wrong?

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

I’d be interested to know what part of that sentence was irrational? Even nob-factual?

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

My point was quite obviously that people like Alan Jones and the vast majority of our country, it seems, argue he’s been sacked for having an opinion and exercising his freedom of speech. I used absurd examples because when people make that argument they take out ALL nuance, and claim you should be able to say whatever you want, whenever you want. If you understood that, you wouldn’t make that comment

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

I think most of what you said is very fair.

But I cannot accept your statement that “No-one is claiming that his employment is under threat because he is “exercising his right to free speech””. Please read any thread on anything relating to this topic and you’ll know that’s extremely incorrect. Its the exact line of argument people take to justify saying whatever they want without consequence. This is no different.

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

Because being gay is okay. And religion is factually wrong in saying it isn’t. The evidence is in the fact they were all written before society had progressed anywhere significant in an inclusive sense. It just hasn’t caught up yet.

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

The fact is, it’s a terrible look for an organisation trying to promote inclusiveness.

I don’t consider that a double standard. One is sacking the other for their lack of inclusiveness, the other wants to sack someone because they aren’t inclusive themselves. I have no time punishing people for being who they are. But telling homosexuals they are lesser to you isn’t being who you are, that’s being a terrible person.

The Folau freedom of speech double standard

Sensational. It appears anon here is THE person able to interpret all booing. Pleasure to meet you finally

Boo-merang: Why booing will always return

Oh man, you’ve got me salivating already. Let’s hope it happens again!

Geelong are setting the pace; the AFL season is in their control

Geelong already have away games at the MCG. I think the Interstate teams needing games at the G thing is clearly relevant, but not hugely to the Geelong-orientated article. And it’s only for the purpose of the grand final those teams need G experience. I’d prefer home games that help us get the the big dance, and worry about the stadium when we cross that bridge.
As for handicaps, well, consider this. Geelong starts this year really well. Maybe they’ll finish top two? If that becomes realistic, they don’t have any particular advantage. They hope Collingwood or Richmond don’t happen to finish 3 or 4 so as to not completely nullify their home advantage in finals. West coast finish second last year and have a clear home path to finals. Don’t tell me Geelong don’t have a handicap.
Geelong host west coast in a final, it’s in Melbourne, an advantage, but not hugely. West Coast host Geelong, they get it at home, no question

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL

No it isn’t. Nor is it rocket surgery to detect my point.

Why do everyday fans who have no interest in AFL profits question Geelong hosting games in Geelong, but not Hawthorn in Tassie? That ground hosts 20k, Geelong 34. Geelong have 15-25 thousand less members than hawthorn at any given time. My point is the hypocritical mindset. Given I explained it, it shouldn’t be rocket surgery to work that out.

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL

It’s like people who are arguing haven’t even read what I’ve said.

I’d be fascinated to know which 8 teams… But I’m talking home ground advantage and disadvantage here, not travel. Anyway, the teams I’m talking about are big Victorian ones who already barely travel. This isn’t a Geelong v Interstate teams debate, so I don’t know why your inserting that. I’m not worried about the distance, I’m worried about the fact that Geelong have to host another team on that team’s ground. Can you list me all the times an interstate team has hosted another team at that team’s ground (not teams that have the same home, I mean actually on the away team’s ground that isn’t also theirs. The actually handing over of home ground advantage). Gold coast hosted Brisbane at the gabba early days, Freo in Perth last year. But Geelong have done it roughly 70 times this century…

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL

That’s correct. Arrived at the game around 45 minutes before it started and the GA seats were available.

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL

“Locking out fans will just lock out the less-hardcore fans (and diminish supporter engagement overall) who are the ones the AFL is trying to attract”.

Absolute nonsense. The teams we host in Melbourne typically have far more than 11 games in their city a year already, and you’ve completely ignored the Geelong based fans with that statement. Hardcore fans deserve their team to play at home. Richmond has 16 games already in Melbourne last year, and a 17th an away game against Geelong. They got 46 thousand to that game. It’s utterly ludicrous to suggest yet another game in Melbourne for Richmond fans, that barely attracted them anyway, does more for hardcore fans than it would have had that game been in Geelong and their fans got to pack out the stadium for a blockbuster for once. I’ve actually considered my stance here. I’ve long thought the counter arguements don’t stand up to scrutiny…

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL

One of the cruxes of the article was that actually it is NOT against the AFL ethos to lock out fans. Which is why I listed all of those smaller venues. GWS host Sydney at their small stadium. Hawthorn host games in Launceston, WB in Ballarat etc etc. One of the points I was making is people seem to have fallen for the idea that the AFL always go for crowd numbers, when in fact they ONLY seem to favour crowd numbers when Geelong are involved, and that fans have fallen for it. I’d like you to explain how you concluded the AFL always look to maximise crowds when there is so much evidence to the contrary, except ONLY for Geelong home games.

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL

Fair point, to a degree. Grand Final is a separate issue to this though. West Coast will never be forced to play a home qualifying final against 70 thousand ‘away’ fans. Anyway, why do people have to justify every single disadvantage every other club has to make this point. The article is clearly about Geelong, and also the inherent double standard in how people think. Capacity only seems to matter to people when Geelong are playing.

What’s more, everything in the article would indicate I think teams should play home finals at home. So yeah, it’s not fair the GF is in Melbourne every year.

How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL