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It’s like people who are arguing haven’t even read what I’ve said.
I’d be fascinated to know which 8 teams… But I’m talking home ground advantage and disadvantage here, not travel. Anyway, the teams I’m talking about are big Victorian ones who already barely travel. This isn’t a Geelong v Interstate teams debate, so I don’t know why your inserting that. I’m not worried about the distance, I’m worried about the fact that Geelong have to host another team on that team’s ground. Can you list me all the times an interstate team has hosted another team at that team’s ground (not teams that have the same home, I mean actually on the away team’s ground that isn’t also theirs. The actually handing over of home ground advantage). Gold coast hosted Brisbane at the gabba early days, Freo in Perth last year. But Geelong have done it roughly 70 times this century…
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
That’s correct. Arrived at the game around 45 minutes before it started and the GA seats were available.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
“Locking out fans will just lock out the less-hardcore fans (and diminish supporter engagement overall) who are the ones the AFL is trying to attract”.
Absolute nonsense. The teams we host in Melbourne typically have far more than 11 games in their city a year already, and you’ve completely ignored the Geelong based fans with that statement. Hardcore fans deserve their team to play at home. Richmond has 16 games already in Melbourne last year, and a 17th an away game against Geelong. They got 46 thousand to that game. It’s utterly ludicrous to suggest yet another game in Melbourne for Richmond fans, that barely attracted them anyway, does more for hardcore fans than it would have had that game been in Geelong and their fans got to pack out the stadium for a blockbuster for once. I’ve actually considered my stance here. I’ve long thought the counter arguements don’t stand up to scrutiny…
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
One of the cruxes of the article was that actually it is NOT against the AFL ethos to lock out fans. Which is why I listed all of those smaller venues. GWS host Sydney at their small stadium. Hawthorn host games in Launceston, WB in Ballarat etc etc. One of the points I was making is people seem to have fallen for the idea that the AFL always go for crowd numbers, when in fact they ONLY seem to favour crowd numbers when Geelong are involved, and that fans have fallen for it. I’d like you to explain how you concluded the AFL always look to maximise crowds when there is so much evidence to the contrary, except ONLY for Geelong home games.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Fair point, to a degree. Grand Final is a separate issue to this though. West Coast will never be forced to play a home qualifying final against 70 thousand ‘away’ fans. Anyway, why do people have to justify every single disadvantage every other club has to make this point. The article is clearly about Geelong, and also the inherent double standard in how people think. Capacity only seems to matter to people when Geelong are playing.
What’s more, everything in the article would indicate I think teams should play home finals at home. So yeah, it’s not fair the GF is in Melbourne every year.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
I agree to an extent. But I also believe as Geelong being the only non Melbourne based Victorian team, it was much more important for them to stay there. At least the Melbourne clubs didn’t move cities
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Doesn’t require an article. They shouldn’t have to play there.
But it isn’t the exact same thing. Sydney isn’t in Docklands. So Richmond v Sydney should be where the Tiges want it. But Geelong v Richmond at the G. Well that’s literally giving the advantage to the opponent. Richmond still have an advantage of sorts over an interstate side an Melbourne. But I think focussing the article on Geelong be as a bit more merit
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
They certainly aren’t into equalisation. But if hawthorn want to host Geelong in Launceston, I’m arguing they should be able to. But they don’t want to. Geelong want to.host Hawthorn in Geelong though…
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
No it shouldn’t. This wasn’t about fans. We cats fans get a good footy going experience..
I’ll just clear up some logic here. Interstate teams play outside their state 10 times every year, because they can only play one away games against a team from their state. There are two teams in each of the other states, ten in Victoria.
This is about matchday advantage… Interstate teams are advantaged at home, disadvantaged away. Neutral against their rival. Half/half. MCG teams are advantaged at home v Marvel/Interstate/Geelong, disadvantaged away, and neutral v MCG teams. Half/half. Geelong are advantaged at home in Geelong, disadvantaged away. But 9/13 is not half/half. There’s my point…
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
I’d just like to point out here that is went to 155 consecutive Geelong games in Victoria between 2010 and mid-2018. And I’m from Ballarat…
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
The shared home ground thing is rather flawed. I mean, by sharing, whilst Collingwood don’t get home ground advantage over Richmond, they also don’t get away ground disadvantage. Geelong in Geelong is an advantage. Geelong away is a disadvantage. 9 home games, 13 away…
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Yes but in other sports you get half you challenges at home, half your challenges away. The crux of the article is that this is swayed unfairly against Geelong
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
No that’s incorrect, at least not what I was referring to. 1000 GA tickets went on sale to the general public around six weeks out. I remember because I went to the game with a number of people and thought I’d better log in the second they went on sale. I thought they’d all get snapped up instantly. They didn’t, so I checked back in to satisfy my curiosity and they could still be purchased nearly four weeks later, while the indignant football public complained there were no tickets. But they were available for everyone.
However, I would absolutely condone more tickets being made available for every game in Geelong. There’s basically no limit to how many Geelong fans can get to Melbourne games, but very few available tickets at the cattery. This is counteracted by the rareness of Melbourne teams playing there, but in a world where Geelong hosted all games in Geelong, yes I think away fans, or general public fans should get a larger slice.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Well it was a consciously provocative title. Came up with it myself.
But I love these comments. Best in what sense exactly? The 9-13 home/away split? ‘Everyone’… Interesting. All the people who put thought into it or the ones the AFL tricked into thinking playing home games away was fair?
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Because they request this. Which is a significantly different thing
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
So the Melbournians can access the cattery more easily?
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
I partly agree. But I would counter with this:
Last year Geelong finished 8th. 13-9 with I believe the second best percentage. They played 6 matches against the teams who finished top four. ALL away; as they played Richmond and Hawthorn twice each at the G. Now somehow it went unnoticed how difficult their fixture was, but anyway they lost those four matches by a combined total of 33 points. I think one could assume had Geelong had two of those games in Geelong, they would finished 15-7 and made the top four. And suddenly the side everyone confusedly said how does this team have such a good percentage about, would have been in a fairer position.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Yes that’s completely correct. Geelong host teams away. Last time I checked, Docklands wasn’t in Sydney. Instill think Richmond should host Sydney at the MCG, but it’s rather deluded to think that’s the same as Geelong hosting Richmond at the MCG. A highly flawed counter argument.
And Carlton and Essendon chose that setup. They have two home grounds, both in their home City. Geelong have one, plus another they’re forced to host games at. And a few years ago it was so ill-defined they would host at Etihad or the G, depending on who their opponent was. Blatantly unfair
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
The AFL has made it extremely clear Geelong won’t be given all 11 there. If they do ask, it’ll make zero difference, that already been well established between the two parties.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
That was to provoke you into responding. Also I attempted to address potential counter arguements in advance to strengthen my argument, which I think succeeded because there’s a surprising number of commenters who agree with me. But I’d still love to hear them nonetheless.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
Well, it would be fair to say I didn’t expect this much attention for my article. Keep debating guys!
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL
No it isn’t. Nor is it rocket surgery to detect my point.
Why do everyday fans who have no interest in AFL profits question Geelong hosting games in Geelong, but not Hawthorn in Tassie? That ground hosts 20k, Geelong 34. Geelong have 15-25 thousand less members than hawthorn at any given time. My point is the hypocritical mindset. Given I explained it, it shouldn’t be rocket surgery to work that out.
How Geelong gets robbed by the AFL