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Fair for the AFL, but rugby league also has the Super League. So I wouldn’t say the NRL is the worst rugby league league.

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We’d take to a relocated team, eventually. But it would come with an air of sadness. A new team should come in a wave of excitement, not the feeling of sloppy seconds.

I think a relocated team would have about 20% lower crowds than a new team early on.

Besides, Western Sydney is huge. The AFL will not and should not be retreating. We’re only 12 years into a generational project.

With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?

So, you’re saying Canberra is too weak and they’ll have to relocate, or they’re too strong to take away from GWS?

GWS doesn’t represent Canberra any more than North represents Hobart and it’s absolute bull that we’re stuck with scraps because people think the Giants “need” us.

GWS needs to cut the Canberra cord to have any impact in Sydney. A standalone AFL team in Canberra would be the most popular team in town. It’s a win-win.

With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?

“GWS needs Canberra, its most reliable supporter base.”

Canberra is only 20% of the membership base. And at least half of them would just have memberships to support AFL or game access (me included). Canberrans rock up for the footy, not the Giants.

Canberra is boosting the Giants’ numbers, but now really helping them grow.

With Tasmania locked in to join the competition, where is the inevitable 20th AFL team destined to come from?

Well, we will continue to disagree about WA v Canberra, but at least you’ve seen the light v Darwin. A Darwin team would be incredible if they pulled it off, but it’s just so ridiculously small and remote.

Welcome Tasmania, but the AFL should be a 16-team competition so three clubs must go

That is incredibly ignorant.
Firstly, you’re looking at old stats. And just the ACT. Canberra has about 550k within an hour. About 700k in the Capital Region.
Secondly, Canberra has a good AFL following. Probably already greater than rugby league. More AFL fans than Hobart or Darwin. It would instantly be the most popular team in town.

Welcome Tasmania, but the AFL should be a 16-team competition so three clubs must go

FFS, if WA gets a fourth team before Canberra, I’m switching codes.

Welcome Tasmania, but the AFL should be a 16-team competition so three clubs must go

The Gold Coast population hasn’t nearly doubled in that time. It’s grown by nearly a quarter.

It’s growing quickly, but not that quickly.

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Why’s the Oval out of the question?

The AFL has played 17 exhibition matches there before. It’s currently being upgraded, rounding out the edges and increasing the capacity.

It’d need a drop-in pitch, but I think the Oval would be workable.

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As a neutral who gets behind the national team, but doesn’t really pay attention to the domestic league, I like the Socceroos.

To me, the name evokes a memory of Aloisi scoring against Uruguay and running around with his shirt off.

Shortening the name to just the Roos wouldn’t work. There are several national teams ending in roos – Kangaroos, Wallaroos, Jillaroos, Hockeyroos, Volleyroos. Just the one team claiming the Roos name seems a bit arrogant to me.

It’s time to finally scrap the name ‘Socceroos’

It doesn’t really need explaining, but here goes.

You said this wasn’t a situation in which to be ideological, then got immediately ideological.

It’s okay mate, we all make mistakes. I just thought it was a funny juxtaposition.

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“You cannot just be ideological about these things. I’d rather a person like Josh find a solution than a Green.”

That’s one of the quickest self-contradictions I’ve seen.

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A pretty similar situation to Tasmania. The AFL is just lucky Tasmania is so far away from Sydney.

The fact that AFL still has so many supporters in Canberra is something the AFL shouldn’t take for granted again.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

I’m for an NZ team eventually.

I think it needs to be gradual though. I think play a game or two a year and count on the novelty factor, then slowly increase the number of games as the supporters increase too.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

The dream scenario would be a Big Bash team at a similar time.
Canberra, Geelong and the Gold Coast are the three always touted for expansion, so if we got a BBL team and AFL team at similar times (plus AFLW and WBBL), it’d be easier to justify.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

Hopefully! Canberra has a rule that you can’t turn your heater on before Anzac Day, I think that should apply to not playing night games after Anzac Day, too.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

Good point! We had five, it was the equal most number of clubs of any city. It was equal to Brisbane, but that also included the Lions reserves.

Prior to the NEAFL, the Swans reserves also joined AFL Canberra because there wasn’t enough competition in Canberra. The Giants would’ve joined too if the NEAFL wasn’t created.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

If we’re waiting for the ACT government to finally get Civic Stadium up we’ll be waiting decades!

Luckily, there’s just not enough room to turn the Civic Stadium site into an oval, so I don’t think the temptation will be an option. I think they’re going to have to shave off some capacity as it is.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

Good questions Sports Lover!

1. It’s hard to tell, but I think there would be. Canberra-based Capital Brewing sponsored GWS because they love AFL. I’d assume they’d swap over to a Canberra team. Unique to Canberra, there’s also a lot of contractors looking to impress the government. I imagine Thales, KPMG, Spotless, BAE etc.

2. Canberra is changing. Christmas used to become a ghost town. It’s becoming less and less transient and more people are staying permanently. If you look at a Canberra crowd, we all wear orange and support GWS when they’re not playing our own teams. I imagine a lot of support like this, but on a greater scale, until generational change kicks in. I already know family’s who’s kids support GWS. Unlike Darwin or Tasmania, Canberra also has a decent population who currently have no AFL team.

3. At the moment, no. It only fits 14.5k. It’s one of our biggest hurdles.

4. This season will be a good test. We’re getting four games this year for the first time. We have history of rocking up through terrible games. Our first three GWS seasons, in which they finished bottom each time, they played exclusively bottom five sides in Canberra. Some absolutely terrible footy, but we were there for it.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

Hi Cadfael, I agree that Tassie should be next, this article argues who should be the 20th team to complement Tassie.

Canberra is the most logical option for the 20th AFL team

Canberra would make sense for an Australian host.

It’s closer to Perisher than Beijing is to the Yanqing skiing facilities. Within a half-hour drive, it has snowfields, mountains and former ski lodges that could be rebuilt.

Bring the Winter Olympics to Australia!

Really hoping GWS go all the way and Cora gets best on ground in the grand final.

She’s already won all-Ireland titles in soccer and Gaelic football, topping it with an AFLW title would be fitting for somebody of her legend status.

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It would take a huge investment, not one I imagine the government would be willing to make, but it would be very cool.

The bobsleigh/skeleton/luge facility would cost $100m-$200m, but it would be the only one in the southern hemisphere, so it would attract athletes from across Australasia way after the Olympics.

Corin Forest is close and already has skiing. I don’t think it’s Olympic level, but could be good for the biathlon.

There was also once a ski run at Mt Franklin, which could be a closer option to Canberra if it was built to Olympic standard.

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I agree with Puntroad. I don’t think 2020 could count as straight sets.

I get losing two consecutive finals, but the term comes from tennis. If you won the first set, then lost the next two, you wouldn’t say you lost in straight sets.

What if the Lions suffer another straight sets exit?

I like your thinking, but Brisbane won’t need another team 20 or so years.

The logical option for team 20 is Canberra (completely not biased, I swear).
• A new flag on the AFL map (three games a year doesn’t count)
• Opens up options for games in the Riverina-Murray (Albury and Wagga)
• Already 40 AFL listed players from the Riverina-Murray/Canberra
• Canberra has triple the population of Darwin, double the population of Hobart
• Gives GWS a chance to focus full-time on Sydney market

It's time for a second Brisbane AFL team

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