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Carlos the Argie

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An expatriate Argie to the USA who started playing at the very tender age of 9 in an Irish School in Buenos Aires. He then played club rugby in Argentina. After moving to the USA, he played for his business school and some local clubs. Occasionally helped train skills and also refereed. His interest in writing about rugby came after meeting Graham Henry in New York City. He is most interested in the leadership issues dealing with team function.

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Geoff, I just don’t get it!

They all spread rumors about “disrupting the team dynamics”, what do they mean?
ML kept Leguizamon because of his team spirit. Now, if you coached the Pumas, with 20 minutes to go, which is your choice? Leguizamon or Isa?

If Legui is such a cheerleader, buy him a pair of pompoms and nice leggings.

This is not serious.

Rugby Championship wrap: Eighty minutes until the panic sets in?

Geoff,

Nobes has said that Argentine gossip is that Isa has not been playing well at Toulon and only has played few matches this year. He also said that Isa is disruptive to the team.

A cursory look at the statistics and news on RugbyPass clearly show that this is NOT true.

He played close to 800 minutes in 2019 (13 matches). 84% tackle efficiency. 6.5 meters per carry, 41 carries.

In 2018 he played 1,750 minutes, 26 games. 80% tackle success (244 attempts). 9.4 average meters gain per carry (1km carried!).

In July, Josh Raisey of Rugby Pass wrote: “The dynamic Argentinian has been one of Toulon’s best players over the past few years in a star-studded pack. Tireless and powerful, the openside gets his hands on the ball as much as possible and causes a lot of damage.”

So, the stats do not back up the Argie rumors. Thus, I must conclude it is all about politics. Which is usually the case in Argentina.

Rugby Championship wrap: Eighty minutes until the panic sets in?

If that is true, why did they bring him? Seems like a waste of time and also a way to burn bridges.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Hello? Is Trader23 in? Nick is calling him….

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

All Black to the future at Eden Park

Lavanini’s first offense this year. Under ML. He was much more controlled playing for Quesada.

All Black to the future at Eden Park

About French referees, be watchful as there is one non neutral that will attack you.

All Black to the future at Eden Park

Oh, stop it!

All Black to the future at Eden Park

If you are a true rugby player, I mean a forward, you always had pints per scrum. :silly:

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

I have to say that even though Nobrain and I seem to be disagreeing,this discussion has been very enlightening and polite.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Fine, but from my point of view, I question his thought process. And I don’t think I am alone at it.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

The point, Nobrain, is that Pumas have lost the last 8 matches with ML. So it is very plausible for people to start second guessing ML and his choices. In addition, almost the same team played significantly worse when coached by ML. I grant you that test matches ARE a higher level, but their teamwork, their defense, their discipline have been poorer with ML than with Queso. In addition, the scrum has barely improved in ONE year. I don’t see a single aspect of Pumas performance that has been better with ML than Queso and Jaguares. I am NOT suggesting that Queso should be the Pumas coach, what I am stating is that I am not confident on ML as you seem to be.

So, if you put all those aspects together, you can be very close to the team or far away BUT still be able to challenge their coaching and performance. You can be a Kiwi, Aussie, Saffa and see the same issues.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

With that argument, neither is Leguizamon. And Bruni is a complete unknown. Same as Mensa. From Pucará is a long way to Japan.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

We wuz there together in DC!

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

That’s what I eventually did. But it doesn’t explain why he’s out.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Then Isa departure is not rugby related but attitude. I had to look back to check dates, this is why I corrected myself.

I am still surprised that Isa would behave this way and not be talked to the first time.

You are reporting on things not available publicly.

I still believe Legui has no value today ON the field. Needing cheerleaders sounds bizarre.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

The Jaguares had a good defensive LO. This is the main reason they beat the Brumbies, remember? But they didn’t do well afterwards. Crusaders had their ticket.

The LO also deteriorated when the same players became coached by Ledesma.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

You are becoming an “officialist”.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

And Figallo.
I also think that Isa’s departure was very unfriendly, and now he is getting a bit of payback. ML and Isa’s departure were time coincident. One left when the other started.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

I thought Ledesma coached the Jaguares the last year of Isa. And you are saying then that Isa became lazy. Why bother bringing Europeans then if the system changed? There’s an inconsistency then with Nico and Urdapilleta. By the way, I agree on having both

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Argentina has usually succeeded with individual brilliance: Porta, Messi, Maradona….

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

As a flanker, I loved attacking scrums in the middle. Eight forwards bound and two open sides to defend.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Harry, if what you say is true, then everyone playing the Pumas will kick to the corners but trying to keep the all in and have good chase.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

I’m not sure with Herrera. He was, sadly, terrible.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Harry, in addition, I think you have to be careful about the denominator in your mental statistic. I think there are far fewer scrums in a game than LO. So, the ratio of points per LO may be lower than the pints per scrum.

You have many more LOs and this is what may bias you. If you continue with that train of thought, you will turn into Eddie Jones or Hourcade. “Scrums don’t matter”.

Other teams will attack your weakness….

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Harry, that MAY be true in RC, SR and possibly 6N.

Not in RWC when especially the NH teams will kick to posts every single possible penalty.
Playing Argentina, they will kick the ball to Argie’s field and then force scrums. Penalty and cheap 3 points. They may even knock-on the ball on purpose! (Just kidding).

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission