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Exactly, I don’t get how people throw Stoinis name into test calculations. At the moment he’s where Finch was a few years back, doing really well in ODI’s but inexplicably badly in first class cricket. Finch managed to finally turn that around in the last 2-3 years, Stoinis may well yet too. But until he does he can’t seriously be considered for test cricket.

Renshaw and Burns to battle Australian Test attack

Yes, Patterson really needs to convert 50’s into hundreds. A #3 batsman really shouldn’t be getting so few hundreds. It suggests he doesn’t have great concentration, regularly getting through the early tough period then getting out without turning it into a big score. You need your top 6 batsman to be making big scores regularly. It’s also a worry when thinking about a player stepping up to the next level. If they struggle to convert 50’s at Shield level, it’s highly unlikely they’ll be even better at test level.

Renshaw and Burns to battle Australian Test attack

Yeah, he may well finish his career as the greatest 3-point shooter of all time, but as an overall player he will be well down the list. As pointed out, KD has actually been the best player on the Warriors since he came along, and it’s hard to argue for a player who’s only the second best player on his own team as the best player of all time.

Could Steph Curry be the best of all time?

Gotta say the umpire was 100% right to call dead ball and say he can’t do that. Sorry, can’t say it’s anything like a switch-hit or a reverse sweep. If there was some way in which you could argue that the spin allowed him to deliver the ball in a way he can’t without it, then that would make sense, but this spin, followed by delivering a normal ball, is clearly 100% purely designed to try and distract the batsman and put him off his conversation in the run up. Just as Jason Gillespie’s flapping wings while running in wasn’t on, same here.

Spinner delivers absolutely bonkers ball

Like Siddle, he’s probably exactly the sort of bowler who could do very well in England. Doesn’t bowl very fast, but is able to just keep putting it on the right spot and get any movement out of the pitch that’s available. So in seaming English conditions he could be a handful.

Maybe not 'elite honesty', but a straightforward approach is the only way

I’m sure when I first saw Abbott appearing for NSW I heard them talking about how he can bat, but he’s coming in at #11 in this NSW lineup and has a first class batting average of 15. So I don’t think he’s in there because he’s considered an allrounder. As a pure bowler, especially where, at the moment, there aren’t a lot of batsmen making loads of runs in Shield cricket, to have played 42 matches, with a bowling average of 37, and still consistently getting picked as one of the main bowlers is a bit bizarre. I know NSW top three pace bowlers rarely get to play Shield cricket, but I’d still think there would be some other good young fast bowlers coming through who could be better options than Abbott.

Maybe not 'elite honesty', but a straightforward approach is the only way

Yeah, for any sort of coaching type position to work, the players under that person need to respect them and believe they really know what they are talking about and are worth listening to. If you don’t have that, then even if they have some valid input at times it’s likely not to be listened to. Having someone with a completely non-cricketing background in a position like that is crazy.

Should David Peever have resigned?

Don’t worry, I can’t imagine the selectors will jump the gun too quickly. Unless one of these guys goes on from here almost unable to get out for less than 100 as the season progresses, and after failures in the first couple of tests they decide it’s worth giving him a go. Otherwise, I reckon they will at least play out this full Shield season and starting the next, possibly with a selection in an Australia A side in the off season, before being seriously considered for test duty.

Shield talent shows Australia's cricketing future is alive and well

I’m sure she could be a good Chairperson, but in all seriousness, she can probably do more good at this point in the position she’s just been appointed to. Maybe down the line Chair of the board could be a good spot for her, but she’s probably more needed where she is now.

The answer to Cricket Australia's shattered image was there all the time

White is past it, often he’s scored most of his runs coming in as low as 7 in the order for NSW these days which has helped keep his average up. Kurtis Patterson just can’t score hundreds. He’s probably the most consistent scorer of half-centuries in the comp, but just can’t convert them to hundreds. A top 6 batsman needs to be able to score hundreds.

Maybe not 'elite honesty', but a straightforward approach is the only way

Faf came out after the whole sandpaper scandal and did talk about needing things made a lot more clear about what is and isn’t acceptable. Because, while sandpaper clearly crossed any line, the line itself is still quite foggy. The fact that you basically have to be working hard on the ball, shining it, trying to get one side shiny while the other degrades to have any chance in cricket, mean players are always doing everything they can. What is and isn’t acceptable?

Is it okay for a player to smear on the sunscreen extra thick and not really rub it in that well, so when they wipe some “sweat” off their neck to shine the ball it comes with a nice dose of sunscreen? I’m sure there are players who use hair product that they can wipe out of their hair onto the ball. And players are always going to try and find ways of getting one side of the ball to make contact with surfaces that will help scuff it up more. Technically, all this sort of stuff is probably against the letter of the law, but I suspect every bit of it goes on in every single game of cricket that gets played.

Should David Peever have resigned?

We are all on the outside, so we wouldn’t be able to say when the CA culture turned sour, as all we see are symptoms that often come well after the fact. It’s clear from the events of the last couple of years that there is a lot of distrust between players and those at CA. It’s like CA are the enemy of the players rather than their fiercest ally as they should be. How long this has been the case it’s hard to tell, likely it’s something that’s slowly built over a long period of time. The prevalence of corporate types rather than former cricketers on the board can’t be a good thing.

But I don’t think Peever, and others, resignations is so much about sandpapergate. More that’s the incident that brought the introspective look that showed the cancer that is there which needs to be eradicated. Whether you can directly link actions of the board and Peever in particular to cheating in test cricket, I don’t think is the point. The review has separately found some major issues in CA that need to be addressed, regardless of the specific act we are talking about.

Should David Peever have resigned?

Where does the $29/month come from? Looking at Foxtel’s website it looks like to sign up for the sport pack required to watch cricket is actually $68/month.

For my generation, a cricket summer dawns like no others

Just going by my own distant memory, but I’m pretty sure El Loco is right. There was a time when they still only showed the first couple of hours and still stopped at that point even when it was sold out and you couldn’t come to the ground. Then after some time they decided (probably because people complained) to start showing the whole game in the event of a sellout.

For my generation, a cricket summer dawns like no others

I think you underestimate how much top level players continue to significantly change their game even after they get to the top level. Sure there are things that it’s good to get drilled in at a young age, but compare Steve Smith’s batting now with when he first entered international cricket, or George Bailey, or Simon Katich from start to end. Those are just ones where it’s dramatically visible. Gilly had the World Cup Final Century with the squash ball in his glove.

At this level players are always analysing strengths and weaknesses and putting in massive workloads trying to tinker with technique to make themselves better. So to that extent, quality batting coaching that can help with identifying where issues are and things to work on to improve in those areas should be able to make a massive difference.

For my generation, a cricket summer dawns like no others

If all the international players are back playing shield cricket, I get crediting runs against NSW a bit extra (against Hazlewood, Cummins, Starc and Lyon!), but when you are replacing those guys with Abbot and Copeland, not so much!

Maybe not 'elite honesty', but a straightforward approach is the only way

I’m sure if he didn’t go out and have a few beers with the team afterwards the headline would be something like “Prima-Donna Smith too good to have a beer with team mates”. It’s called someone so desperately wanting to cast him in a bad light that they will try to twist anything into a negative headline.

Maybe not 'elite honesty', but a straightforward approach is the only way

No, sorry, I probably didn’t make it clear in the statement. The Dhoni reference was replying to the second part of the comment talking about Lynn starting out his innings slow, blocking a lot of balls early on. Not comparing Khawaja or Smith to Dhoni. They are very, very different sorts of players.

Australia need to bat more cautiously against South Africa

I don’t get the “see off Steyn” thing though. When you are facing a bowling lineup with someone like Rabada at first change, you can’t just see off the openers. Who are you going to score off? They needed to find ways to score against all the bowlers.

Australia need to bat more cautiously against South Africa

Or at least until Khawaja returns, which should be sooner than Smith.

MS Dhoni has made a career out of starting really slowly and then making up for it when he’s got in. So the blocking lots at the start to get in before launching method has been used successfully. The thing is, he needs to go on with it more often than not. If he’s regularly blocking lots at the start and still getting out for not much a lot of the time, thus having just wasted lots of balls, then it will be looked down upon. But if he’s regularly 5 from 20 but consistently turns that into 50 from 50 and 100 from 75 nobody will care.

Australia need to bat more cautiously against South Africa

Yeah, Nair’s action got cleared. He’s still a fair way from being an international player though. I think you are probably right about Australia needing to find a way to get more spin into their lineup. It’s tough though when you very much see the depth of quality fast bowling as being one of our biggest strengths. It’s funny though, while conditions may have got better for batting as the day went on in the first ODI, and thus didn’t offer as much for the bowlers, the SA bowlers were getting the ball to zip around when bowling mid-to-high 130’s, while Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins all bowled consistently well into the 140’s while not getting anywhere near the same zip out of the surface! I don’t know if the SA’s just found a better length.

Australia need to bat more cautiously against South Africa

I don’t believe Lynn is overrated. Without his injuries I reckon he would have been playing test cricket for the last few years. He had a good first class record, and was shaping as being the next potential batsman picked when an opportunity came, then he got injured and Burns got that spot when it opened up. And he’s struggled so much with injuries since.

I think Lynn might have a bit of the issue Warner had for years, where he managed T20’s well and test cricket well, but struggled to find that middle ground for the ODI’s and took him quite a while to work that out. Lynn adds to that the fact that injuries have meant he’s barely been able to play anything longer than a 20-over match for the last few years.

Australia need to bat more cautiously against South Africa

The thing is with Mitch Marsh, he doesn’t bowl enough to be selected as an allrounder. And based on his batting he’s not good enough. Even with this latest hundred his first class average is only 32. I don’t get how a first class average of 32 could warrant a spot in the top-6 for Australia. And he’s been given 30 test matches, not like he hasn’t been given plenty of opportunity, and yet still only averages 26.

I think you are right though. I think the selectors will say he’s now done enough to ignore all the evidence against him and select him again. Same for his brother scoring runs in the previous match. Of course, this is aided by the fact that the side will be still missing Smith, Warner, Bancroft and likely Khawaja.

Maybe what the selectors need to do is pick a couple of guys too young to have worked out what pressure really is yet, who just feel free to go out there and score runs. Drop the Marshes and pick Edwards and Sanga! 😛

Maybe not 'elite honesty', but a straightforward approach is the only way

Anytime where the employer is seen as the enemy that needs to be fought against things are always just going to get worse and worse, and it never leads to good results. There has clearly been a lot of bad blood between those in charge in CA and the players for some time, and it’s not really surprising that this has then coincided with one of the worst periods of performance for the Australian cricket team in living memory.

There is a lot of healing needed, and lots of changes needed in how things are done. And if there are any others in positions of power, on either side, who’s previous actions make it impossible to really move forward and improve things then they need to go. Definitely need a much better representation of former players on the board. Really, it should be mostly former players with a few corporate types, not mostly corporate types with a couple of former players!

Taylor: Australian cricket civil war must end

If we are talking injury and suspensions aside, Finch and Warner are both well and truly in our best top 6, and I’d want Khawaja in there too. It can get tough as all of them are at their best opening, but I think Finch can have more effect coming in down the order. I’d potentially pick him as a bit of a floater. If an early wicket falls, put him in at 3, if not, Smith goes at 3 and Finch at 4. Leaving something probably like this:
Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Finch
Carey (wk)
Maxwell / Head (batsman who can bowl some spin)
Stoinis / Mitch Marsh (batsman who can bowl some pace)
Agar
Cummins
Starc
Hazlewood / second main spinner

For my generation, a cricket summer dawns like no others