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Having switched then changed to adjust to the ball again, the stroke ended up almost being a back foot off drive in his normal stance, just facing backwards, so the ball is coming from behind and he’s helping it on it’s way rather than coming from in front so he’s sending it back where he came from. So while it looks awkward, the final swing of the bat is almost just a normal right-handed back foot off drive.

What on earth would you call this Indian batsman's utterly absurd shot?

Hoping to beat 90,000 certainly is a bold aim. It does feel a bit like putting that out there, if Australia does make the final and they fall well short of that they would feel like it’s a failure. But the reality is that if they got 50,000 for the final, that would be significantly more people than any of those players will have played in front of before. But I think the chance to say they were part of this world record could be enough to drag the Melbournians there. Especially for those ticket prices. When you consider the men’s final is $395 for top priced tickets down to $125 for the cheapest seats, while the Women’s is $60 for the most expensive down to $20 for the cheapest, and they’ve only got 3 categories to the 5 for the men’s meaning there are probably a lot more of the cheapest ticket options. That’s a lot of money to take the family to the Men’s final, but the women’s is so much more affordable, so plenty of people who could never afford to go to the men’s might decide the women’s is a good, affordable alternative.

Ignore the haters, Katy Perry can help the Women's T20 World Cup fill the MCG

My preference for T20 is always 4 bowlers (preferably at least one who can hit a bit – Agar could perform that role) plus 2 allrounders. So if Maxwell and Mitch Marsh are both in the side I would definitely go for just 4 specialist bowlers. I’ve never seen the point of picking 2-3 allrounders in a side and then still picking 5 specialist bowlers and rarely bowling your allrounders as the Aussies have done way too much of in the past. Maxwell out makes that harder. Can you rely on D’Arcy Short’s bowling as that 6th bowling option and pick the extra batsman? I think they need to try that at least. Picking 5 specialist bowlers is just too long a tail.

Aussies set to rediscover the joy of six in South Africa

I’d hardly call it semantic. He’d be pretty happy that he bowled well and picked up some wickets, and he’d probably be especially pleased because two of those wickets were the best batsmen in the opposition team. But that’s all. Maybe Patterson having recently played those two tests and being really unlucky to be dropped having done quite well in those might elevate his status slightly. But if you said someone picked up the wickets of 3 test players, I’d be thinking who of the current test team did he get out?

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

I don’t know it’s entirely true to say that attacking openers don’t really succeed in test cricket. Sure, Warner and Sehwag are more outliers, but even the likes of Hayden and Slater very much liked to open the batting by imposing themselves on the attack from early on, taking advantage of the field being up to hit some early boundaries. So I think if he’s good enough for test cricket he can quite possibly do that opening also.
One of the big issues I see with it though is fitting in with the team. Really, we are looking for a partner for David Warner. So we already have the “dasher” in the opening partnership. So even if Maddinson could potentially play that “dashing” opener role, it’s really the “grafting” opener that we are looking for. It’s no accident that Warner’s best opening partnership has been with Chris Rogers, a batsman who complemented Warner’s strengths really well. So whether or not Maddinson could make it as a test opener is one question, but the other is whether a Warner/Maddinson opening partnership could work.
In the end though, if he’s the best available player for a position then pick him. But the most I can see at the moment is he’s a chance of being a backup on the Bangladesh tour. Being someone who can bat anywhere in the top 6 could make him an attractive proposition for a backup batsman. Burns and Head are really the only 2 under any real pressure for their positions at the moment, Burns is under more pressure than Head, meaning the opening spot is still the most undecided position in the top 6.

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

Especially funny as prior to last season he’s generally done better in white ball cricket than Shield cricket!

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

That’s a stretch saying “knocked over 3 test players” though. Patterson has played one test, Henriques played a couple several years ago, but for the most part has been a long way from the test team, and Copeland also has only played a couple of tests, and is a bowler. It’s not like he knocked over established current test stars!

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

Not necessarily. Just because someone won’t turn down the offer doesn’t mean that the offer should be made. I suspect it’s been his dream since he was young to play test cricket. If you offer him that at a time when taking it will likely completely destroy him he will still probably take it, not turn it down based on not being in a good place. That’s where the selectors need to be on top of these things. Both to do the best thing by the team and the player.

Nic never should have been selected last time. He was in really poor form. The chances of him suddenly turning his form around in test cricket were extremely slim. It doesn’t matter how much “potential” a batsman has, if you pick them when horribly out of form they are unlikely to show you that potential! At least this time around he is showing good form.

But test cricket cranks up the pressure over Shield cricket many times over. So the ability to make that step up is often as much about mentally being able to perform under pressure as it is about having a technique to combat better bowlers armed with detailed video analysis of your technique. So, while having recently had a break to deal with mental health issues doesn’t automatically mean he’s someone not able to handle that pressure. It’s something that would make you want to really be sure, have discussions with the player and those around him and everything and really assess how they are going.

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

It’s probably not a bad thing actually. Pick the same players that you think are the best ones to do the job in Australian conditions and just give them extra practice on the “hitting” portion of their batting, and the bowlers have to be extra accurate to be effective. So it’s still good practice.

Aussies set to rediscover the joy of six in South Africa

This tour is too close to the WC, you don’t want to be doing too much experimenting at this point, you want to be getting games into your main players. The main experimenting here will have been caused by Maxwell’s injury. And BBL performances are rewarded, but guys like Starc and Cummins simply didn’t play in the BBL because they were playing international cricket. I suspect if they were playing BBL they would have really shown they were a class above. Hazlewood came back from injury in the BBL despite having rarely played much T20 cricket at all and just looked all class compared to other bowlers around him.

If these guys keep doing well at domestic level and keep getting better and better, then they may well get opportunities at some point. Especially in T20’s, since the 3 format players simply can’t play every single international match and T20’s are often the first ones for them to get rested from (just not in a T20 WC year!)

Aussies set to rediscover the joy of six in South Africa

Have to agree. I get playing the national anthems of both teams when it’s an international match, and maybe at a Grand Final or something I can even get that, but beyond that, it’s totally unnecessary.

Absence of the anthem at All Stars shows leadership by the NRL

I’m surprised anyone would even notice. Even for people who might love hearing the Australian National Anthem, while some people like to belt it out, others just like to stand and “take it in”. So I wouldn’t have thought that noticing some people not singing it would even be a thing.

Unfortunately, the media in Australia is ridiculously over the top white. Watching most of the commercial channels you rarely see a non-white face. And a lot of the reporting that comes out very much reflects this. If something isn’t negative to a white aussie, then a non-white aussie saying anything about it is considered stepping over the line or something.

Absence of the anthem at All Stars shows leadership by the NRL

Absolutely. From the very beginning of the promotion of this WC it’s been all about trying to back out the MCG when Australia play in the final.

Counting chickens: Have we put undue World Cup pressure on the Aussie women?

Going from the content of the story, I’m guessing Ronan didn’t put the headline on, but someone else looking for clicks added that. My first reaction to the headline was, “come on, that’s what they say about every leggie that plays their first match of first class cricket in Australia”. As Ronan said in his last sentence talking about Parker, every other Leggie in Australian cricket has been hyped when they first came into first class cricket. It’s the desperate search for the “next Warne”.

Teenager Wil Parker has all the right ingredients to be the future of Aussie leg spin

Don’t confuse unusual technique with poor technique. They are very different things. Someone can have a technique that looks very classical, but they keep edging balls to the slips. The likes of Smith and Labushagne have developed very good, effective techniques. Just because you don’t find them in a textbook doesn’t mean they aren’t good techniques.

Others have techniques where they look good and can score runs in good conditions against ordinary attacks but face a bowler moving it around a bit and the technique falls apart.

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

I really felt sorry for Nic getting selected for test cricket last time. Selecting a player who’s not in great form regardless of the potential you see in them, makes it very hard. If he can’t find form in Shield cricket, what makes you think he can do it in test cricket.

Surely the selectors must be able to look and see that he really shouldn’t have been picked last time based on the form he was in, and that picking him in his current form likely bares little relation to his previous form.

There is still something about him though that makes me feel he’s the sort of player who may find the step up a struggle. There are some people who are able to do consistently well at first class level, but can’t make the move up to test level. And I can’t put my finger on exactly what it is, but something really gives me the feeling that Maddinson is that sort of player. Happy for him to prove me wrong if he gets the chance.

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

Sometimes players just need that change of scene, or maybe the reality check of getting dumped and the second chance offered elsewhere effectively being a last chance, to spark significant improvements in their game. His performances for several seasons in a row really didn’t deserve him to keep holding a spot that could go to another young player.

Maddinson is a Test option but not in the top order

Agreed, I don’t know that I’d be picking him for tests yet either. Certainly at the moment if he was picked it would have to be as a specialist batsman anyway as he’s not back bowling yet by the looks of things (Stoinis has bowled 8 overs but Green hasn’t bowled at all, so I think that’s a good indication that he’s not really ready to be bowling again yet). But as an allrounder, people often talk about the player good enough to be selected on either skill. And so far in his first class career he’s played basically selected as one of the specialist bowlers, and then done so well with the bat that when he can’t bowl he’s now playing as a specialist batsman at #5.

I actually think that having a period of time when he can’t bowl and just has to concentrate on his batting could be the best thing ever for him. If he can take this opportunity to really work on his batting and establish himself in the WA top-5, then when he gets back to bowling that’s just an awesome bonus.

He was one of the in form batsmen in the first half of the Shield though, so, if he’s able to continue that in the second half of the shield season, I’d almost be tempted to take him to Bangladesh as a back up batsman, more to get him around the squad and learning from the best, not expecting him to actually play, really only would play in case of injury. But only if he really was showing great form. Hopefully they can have some Australia A matches between the end of the Shield season and that tour where these guys can keep playing cricket.

Six young guns to watch in the Sheffield Shield

Yeah, that was my thinking too, which is why I don’t quite get people equating Renshaw’s career with Hayden’s. For Haydo’s test career, he had his first test as a one-off, but that looks like it was an injury replacement for Taylor. So no issue having a one off in that scenario. Then had 6 tests 96/97 where he got a hundred in the second match, but struggled outside that, with his test average getting down to 21 after 7 tests and he got dropped and had to wait 3 years for his return. Amazingly, it was actually a 2001 tour to India that was where he really secured his place in the team with 119, 97 and 203 in the first innings of those 3 tests, then the rest is history.

Really quite a different scenario to Renshaw. Other than being tall opening batsmen from Qld named Matt and playing a small number of tests earlier in the career before getting dropped (which is pretty common across a lot of batsmen, lets face it) there’s not a lot else that’s the same.

Axing the latest chapter in Renshaw rollercoaster, but he’ll be back

I think he’s definitely got some technical flaws that quality bowlers have worked out and started exploiting and he hasn’t managed to work to eradicate them as yet. So he’s gone back to club cricket and piled on big runs, but then when he’s come to Shield level he’s kept nicking off as bowlers really target that outside edge.

Axing the latest chapter in Renshaw rollercoaster, but he’ll be back

Did Haydo’s have periods in Shield cricket where he couldn’t buy a run? My memory might be a bit fuzzy (and I never closely followed Qld Shield cricket) but I thought he was always scoring lots of runs for Qld, just his first time getting picked for Australia he didn’t get a big chance and didn’t take the few that he did, then ended up in the wilderness (admittedly behind some pretty good openers) before finally getting another chance which he took years later.

Did he have a period where he really struggled at Shield level and got dropped from the Qld side too?

Axing the latest chapter in Renshaw rollercoaster, but he’ll be back

I came to a similar conclusion regarding bad umpiring calls years ago. Of course I’d be incredibly annoyed getting out to a bad call, but I also realised that if I was in a position to get a bad call, then it meant I’d made some sort of mistake. So even if the decision was a poor one, there’s always still things I can learn from the dismissal.

Can’t see him dropping other formats of the game. This is his career, he will likely want to play all the cricket forms he can. What would probably be good for him would be to see if he can sign another county deal for the off season.

Axing the latest chapter in Renshaw rollercoaster, but he’ll be back

I wouldn’t read much into that. I’m sure it’s all taken out of context to sensationalise the whole thing. You could see from Maxwell’s own comments after being ruled out of the tour that he was gutted to miss out on it.

He had been managing this issue through the BBL, likely with pain killing injections and things, but the suggestion is that following the BBL the pain seem to get a bit worse. So they likely had discussions about whether he could try and just manage the injury through that tour like he had been through the BBL or not, and likely then took into account likely rehab times after surgery and all that and decided that while he could probably have done that, it was in the end the better decision to pull him out and have the surgery now.

Probably someone said as much, and then the paper grabbed that and made it sound like they were annoyed that Maxwell didn’t just do that.

It’s like all those headlines suggesting Allan Border looked at Warner winning the AB medal and said “that’s wrong, they need to change how the voting system works so that doesn’t happen again”, when in fact someone just asked him about the voting system, and he said that, since it’s unchanged since the AB medal started 21 years ago it’s probably not unreasonable to review such things, but then went on to say Warner was a worthy winner. While the headlines just said “Border says AB voting system should change after Warner win” or things like that.

Modern media will try to skew anything to get more clicks!

Six young guns to watch in the Sheffield Shield

I am keen to see if Cameron Green can continue his form from the first half of the Shield season. He’s definitely looking like a really good prospect. Solway is another one. As you say, he’s had others pushed in ahead of him more on results from under-age competitions. Maybe having to just keep piling on the runs in grade cricket waiting for his chance will set him up well to succeed.

Riley Meredith is still injured though I believe. He’s certainly not in the current Tassie lineup. When he picked up the injury in early January they said 4-6 weeks, and that’s about 5 weeks ago now, so he hasn’t returned on the early side of that timeline, but if it’s 6 weeks he could be back for the next match. But sometimes those sorts of strains can just drag on a bit and you don’t want to come back too early or you just re-injure it.

Six young guns to watch in the Sheffield Shield

Who’s obsessed with pace allrounders? There’s a lot to like about Green. Even without his bowling he was one of the in form batsmen in the first half of the Shield season, and I commented that he probably does need another year or two of development. But certainly, if you can have a player in your top 6 who’s a legitimate top 6 quality batsman and also offers a lot with the ball, that’s an amazing bonus to have and can do amazing things for the balance of the team. But certainly, trying to push people into that sort of role when they aren’t actually good enough with bat or ball for test level doesn’t help anyway.

Players don’t necessarily need to prove themselves for a “few years” though. If real quality young players come through and are playing well then pick them. They don’t need to wait “a few years at least” if they are playing well, in form, and the opportunity comes up. Plenty of quality players over the years have made successful transitions to test cricket when picked after only a hand full of first class games. Occasionally you just get a young kid who can just tell they’ve got something special, and they come into first class cricket and immediately look like they belong, and you just don’t need years to work out that they are right for test cricket. I don’t know that Green is quite there yet, but he’s certainly close. If he came straight out in these last four Shield matches and continued the form shown in the first half of the season with a couple more hundreds, then, considering the dearth of real quality middle order options he’s competing with, it’s quite conceivable he could push himself very quickly into consideration. And it’s known that having a player in the squad around the likes of Smith and others, training with them, learning from them, can be a very positive thing for development. So a young kid who you think is really close can often really benefit from that. Of course, you only do that if you also think they are at a point where they could do a job if called upon because of an injury or something. You don’t carry them just for experience.

Sheffield Shield once again a crucial battleground for Test spots