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Great to see two teams going into the GF with no injury clouds, no suspension issues, no obvious weaknesses, and both in good form. On all these factors, it’s probably the best match up since Saints v Cats 2009.
Cats have looked the better performed team in the finals, but the Tiges despite being pushed harder, keep finding a way to win like the best teams do. Will they do to the Cats what the Cats did to the Saints in 2009 and just find that way to win? Can the Cats break the hoodoo of no team wining from 4th in the current final 8?
Not being a fan of any team dominating for too long, hoping the Cats win this one. And as a Swans’ fan, would love to see Rohan finally get a premiership medal.

Five talking points from the AFL preliminary finals

Absolutely! The week off after winning the QF is meant to be an advantage, and now it’s (statistically) become a disadvantage with only 4 out of 10 teams going through to the GF after winning the QF. It should clearly favour the QF winning teams. That’s the whole point of it!

Five talking points from the AFL preliminary finals

That’s a really good point, John. Will have to think about that. Thanks.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Looks like Pete has some roses coming his way! Good luck next week Yattuzi. Should be a cracker. Hoping the Cats can get the job done.

Different year, same story

That’s the sort of comment he should be saving til after they win the flag. Because it’s still “if”. Those other 2 Tiges teams have flags, so they’re still better at this point. And puts unnecessary pressure on the team.

Current Tigers the best of lot: Hardwick

Thanks, Dave. Coz it’s the AFL – we have to keep changing things!! 😂 😂 😂

Seriously tho… Coz every year a lot of people complain that the fixture isn’t fair, that it’s the “luck of the draw”, that some teams get a soft draw whilst others get a hard draw etc etc. And I’m with them.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Yeah, DB, the conference model has a lot going for it.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

That’s a really good tweak, GeeBee. Thanks. 😊

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Nice idea, Papa Joe.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Thanks, Marko. Good thoughts. And I wish I had’ve remembered t use that phrase “luck of the draw”. That’s exactly the current problem.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Thanks, Gyfox. That is a very good point.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Agreed that’s possible, Richie, though would be rare because they’ve also got to get past at least 4 teams above them. But the current system is so compromised that anything is better!! 😁

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Thanks, Richie. Reasonable point. 4 would be rare, but 3 times in 11 or 12 weeks may happen more than expected, tho that’s not too bad, is it?

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Thanks, Cat. That’s a fair point.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Do agree with that. I really liked the 17 rounds this year. so many less games that were just padding You know who the finalists are by then. In fact, the finalists are generally in place by about round 11 most years.

Of course, the AFL is set on 22 rounds – or more – so hence this proposal to keep things interesting.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

Thanks for the feedback, Wass. I’m not sure the AFL can manipulate it though, as under this system they have no control over who plays who.

Seventeen-five? The way to securing a better 22-round fixture

“They made the finals by accident because Melbourne didn’t take its chances.” Altho you could argue any year for any given team who falls just short, it feels more right this time. When the Dees were losing to my Swans, I commented that that was going to open up a finals berth for the Pies. That’s the one or the loss the Dockers are the ones the Dees will rue. Either cost them a spot in the 8.

Cats obliterate Magpies in bloodbath for the ages

“You can’t win from below fourth, no matter how in-form you are”

(Besides the Dogs in 2016 of course but there were so many caveats that year)

And actually, no one has even won from below third under the current final 8 (i.e. back to 2000). Not sure why. Probably just a quirk. (If all the highest teams win… they’d play 1st, 5th and 2nd whereas third would play 2nd, 6th and 1st. So not really much different.)

Rules to work out which AFL teams are truly legitimate

It’s because you can’t trust them after the end of season bye. If the AFL does have a bye, as they’re saying they will, then I wouldn’t bet a cent on them. If there’s no bye, then it’s just a case of injuries and keeping Hawkins from doing anything stupid.

Geelong is a team that is, for whatever reason, best suited to playing footy as often as they can. Exhibit A: Byes. Exhibit B: the first footy frenzy they were probably the best performed team given having what was beforehand rated as one of the tougher schedules, with their first four games on 1st, 5th, 10th, and 14th August. Interesting that after a 9 day break, they struggled to put away bottom placed Adelaide. And then after a 5 day break had one of their most impressive wins this year, reeling in a 6 goal quarter time deficit.

They now have another 9 day break before facing the possibly reborn Dons. I expect they’ll struggle. And then there’ll be the end of season bye… I’ll trust them again when they hold the cup aloft.

It's time to recognise the Cats as premiership favourites

It seems to me that Collingwood is cursed these last three years.

They seem to have had more and consistent bad luck with injuries than any other club in the finals contention each year. Add to that a run of off-field issues that have also upset the apple cart each year. Given all that, going as far as they did in 2018 and 2019 and being up again this year is remarkable. Buckley has shown himself to be a top-shelf coach to consistently get his team up despite all those hurdles.

However… one year year you can blame bad luck… but when it happens three years in a row you gotta ask questions.

But their biggest issue may just be their lack of a reliable key forward. 2017, ’18 and ’19 flag winners all had reliable key forwards – Riewoldt; Kennedy and Darling; and Riewoldt and Lynch. In fact, if Pies snared Lynch instead of Tigers, I’m sure they would be 2019 premiers.

Collingwood 2020 versus Collingwood 2018: A devolution

Not sure of the logic that says Carlton missing their chance at a goal meant Port got lucky when you state that they outplayed Carlton in the last 4 minutes. They had five attempts on goal. They only needed one of them to win, (or 2 if Cuningham had got his). They were the better team when it mattered.

Three reasons why Port Adelaide are not premiership contenders

Now we just gotta hope that Martin, Riewoldt, Grimes, Houli, Lynch and Cotchin also find Jehovah and follow Rance out the door! 😂 Tho… the way the Tiges covered injuries this year… that might not be enough next year. (Tho I’m tipping Dogs as my early flag fave)

AFL world in shock as Alex Rance announces immediate retirement

Tiarne, just stumbled across this article. Would love to see you revisit your revisit! 😀

Based on the players talked about in this article, it’d be a toss up between the Bont and Cripps (best pick 13 ever?!) for number 1, with Sheed, Kelly and Brown rounding out the top 5. After that, I defer to your expertise and knowledge of the whole draft.

Revisiting the 2013 AFL draft

Yeah, and I think a club’s best chance of extending the premiership window and the dynasty, is to acknowledge the 5 year window.

With the young guys the Tiges have and the team ethos, it’s hard to imagine they wouldn’t be playing grand finals in the 7th or 8th year. But we thought the same about the Cats in 2011, with Hawkins, Selwood and others still young or in their prime.

The frightening similarities between the Richmond Tigers and Golden State Warriors

Yeah, but in the modern era, periods of domination last 4 to 5 years, when measured from first to last grand final.

Not Hawthorn, not Brisbane, not Geelong have been able to defy the 4 to 5 year window.

Lions, four years, 2001 – 2004, 4 grand finals, 3 flags
Cats, 5 years, 2007 – 2001, 4 grand finals, 3 flags
Hawks, 4 years, 2012 – 2015, 4 grand finals, 3 flags. (I don’t count 2008 in their domination as they missed the finals the next year, and were 7th and bundled out in the first week. So, they had to reinvent themselves a bit)
And throw in Swans, 5 years, 2012 – 2016, 3 grand finals, 1 flag.

So, as hard as it is to believe, the Tiges are closer to the end than the beginning. This Tiges team has only one or two years left in it when it can expect to make grand finals.

There’s going to be a lot of articles written in the next year or two predicting they will “dominate for years!” but it won’t happen. They will likely keep making finals beyond 2021, like the Hawks, Cats and Swans did in their eras, but they’ll just lose enough of their edge to not quite get there.

The frightening similarities between the Richmond Tigers and Golden State Warriors