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Yes, I think we’re on the same page. My feeling is that we aren’t trying to develop these higher level skills because there is so much emphasis on big hitting. It’s so easy to see late in the first innings or in a tough chase when batsman are sitting back in the crease and hoping to hit big. Good bowling combats this and the hitters will succeed less and less frequently as bowlers get better. That’s why we need more highly skilled short form batsman rather than more hitters. It will be interesting to watch the game evolve further, when we can hold games again. Cheers RowiE

Another perspective on Australia's T20 middle order issues

Thanks for the comment. Re the power hitters, my point was that we seem to be looking for power hitters as a solution rather than pursuing the likes of Carey and Smith. I think the balance is wrong and we suffer too often from power hitters coming in late and failing when 15 off 12 gets you well above par with an established batsman at the other end.
I’m not talking about nudging the ball around chasing 8plus an over, quality batsmen that I’m talking about hit a single/2 off the ball the power hitters hit dot, then hit 4 by better footwork, batsman skill etc that the hitter can’t, like a guide through 2nd slip off a yorker. I still want the hitters, but add in combination with some higher, craftier skill will get us more runs. Cheers

Another perspective on Australia's T20 middle order issues

Hi Jc, I said Smith didn’t make my list, but you inferred he didn’t rate at all. I was talking about the very top batsmen. If you look only at stats as a rating, you must regard Voges as better than Tendulkar. Please don’t respond about number of runs, against who etc. because that would be subjective, which is what you criticised my list for. Every list is subjective and I may regard your list as pointless, but I wouldn’t, because it would be a pointless comment

Virat, your ego is showing

Marty, if you look at the referenced article, you may review your opinion

Virat, your ego is showing

Hi Paul, didn’t see a shred of evidence. You clearly didn’t look at the link to the article I referenced. Might have been a good idea before you commented.

Virat, your ego is showing

High Jc, why incredibly pointless?

Virat, your ego is showing

Hey ozinsa I don’t see how you can just say he’s wrong and sign off. At least make an attempt to say why, otherwise you’re just talking to yourself.

The Mankad: You know it makes sense

Am I missing something or has the white ball suddenly become less durable. There has been a lot of mention of the soft ball. It didn’t get soft when Hayden and Symonds smashed it around, at least no-one commented on it, as I remember. Is too much being made of this and perhaps not as much recognition going to bowlers?

Marsh, Wade and Carey must be given time

SR1, it is probability fundamentals, I absolutely agree. What you refuse to accept is that you have only the most minimal understanding and you have , because of your lack of knowledge, applied the wrong principle to this scenario. Not once did you use correct terminology and not once did you, by using probability theory, argue my points. You just keep saying the same thing. You’re WRONG. I tried desperately to let you down easy, knowing from your first comment that you were wrong, but no, you wouldn’t give up.
SR1 Rules of life
1. SR1 is never wrong,
2. When SR1 is wrong, refer to Rule 1.
This has not been fun, this is exasperating. Good bye.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Sorry SR1, you just stated that you agree with my previous comment and then directly contradict yourself. If you really understood what I wrote you can’t agree and disagree at the same time. Just admit you don’t understand, because I know you don’t.
At least that’s the end, cheers.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Interesting, I won’t bother to enquire further I don’t have the time, my comment on your lack of use of appropriate terminology still stands. I did years of data analysis and never used probability, in the sense we are discussing here.
You seem to be fixated on the gamblers fallacy when you should be looking at the Law of Large Numbers LLN. You also don’t seem to accept the reality where we have a finite space and an infinite number of attempts and a known ratio ie effectively the probability of being struck or not, that probability approaches 1.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Ok, What sort of work do you do that requires probability? I didn’t jump to any conclusion, I looked at the language you used in your comments and not once did you use the terminology associated with probability. I think that is a fair conclusion, but I’m only too happy to be proved wrong. So please let me know what work you do all the time. Can’t wait to hear. Cheers

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

SR1, at least we agree on one thing and that is the topic of my article revolves around risk.
However I can tell by the terminology you use that you have never studied probability, or if you have, it was so long ago that you’ve forgotten. My request that you research was my polite effort to say, go look up some text books on probability.
I repeat, I have agreed to disagree. It seems you haven’t.
So, cheers, good luck and good bye on this matter.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

SR1, I have agreed to disagree. You have rewritten statistical probability 101. Please, please do some research.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

SR1 you are confusing a single event with multiple events. In your world the chances of tossing ten straight heads is the same as the single event which is 50/50. Ten straight heads odds is 1/1024. Please let’s talk about safety in cricket.
But I think that is not the issue with our different view. You stated that your position is predicated on the event not necessarily happening. Therefore you are saying that, in this case, our ten year old can stand at the fence and NEVER be hit regardless of how many matches he or she goes to. Put another way, his or her risk of being struck is zero. This is patently not true. But you believe, so we can leave it and agree to disagree.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

I don’t understand your position. You seem to treat a coin toss with a random outcome scenario. My logic is that if you stand in front of a dart board with your eyes closed and randomly throw darts, sooner or later you’ll hit a bulls eye. It might be first dart it might be 10,000, but as the number of throws increases so does the likelihood of a bullseye. You can toss a 10 cent coin as often as you like, the odds on any give toss on the two only possible outcomes is 50/50. If you don’t agree, fine. I am no longer interested.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Thanks for the article Ronan. I didn’t see the match, can you comment on the field settings for Parker? I think that protective, or in-out fields aren’t being set for young spinners, leggies in particular. Captains just expect too much and drag them when they get hit for a few fours.
They should be bowling experienced seamers at the other end as well, to help with scoring pressure.
Your thoughts?

Teenager Wil Parker has all the right ingredients to be the future of Aussie leg spin

Agree that there’s risk in life everywhere. Disagree that you then reference an unrelated and completely different circumstance, then exaggerate to the extreme and then try to use it as a logical argument against. Failed effort, try some well thought out logic and well expressed response.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

And your point is?

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Thanks for at least providing a position.
I disagree completely with your assertion and it seems you didn’t read my article.
You haven’t mentioned the flat batted pull shot coming in like a rocket. If you haven’t seen that happen you do not watch T20 cricket.
You also assume everyone’s watching. You certainly haven’t been to the cricket. So your assertion of level of risk doesn’t have much going for it.
Please don’t try to run an argument on the basis that something else is worse. That doesn’t stack up either.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

No it’s you and others who have missed the point. This is my last effort at explaining it. My point is that, while you and others reading here may fully understand the risk, not everyone does. There are many patrons that cannot evaluate the danger and risk to them and family when attending a cricket match. If you can’t appreciate this, please stop reading now and log out.
In circumstances where a risk is such that serious injury is a likely outcome, it is the responsibility of those providing the venue to provide an environment that is as safe as practicably or reasonably possible. In this situation I say netting should be provided as a reasonable solution. Compromises on safety and enjoyment have to be made.
Your reference to the beach is not applicable because no-one provides the venue and it is therefore a different situation.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

You’ve lost me Mitcher, all I’m saying is that as the near misses increase in number, the likelihood of a hit increases. If you disagree with that, you’re disagreeing with risk analysis theory and logic. I responded to a comment that suggested if no-one has been hit so far, then it’s not likely to happen.
Wilful ignorance? I’ll just ignore that. You’d have to explain how my children are involved. I think you responded to a another article you are so off the mark.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Edward, given your statement ‘practically no danger’ I don’t think I will even bother trying to convince you otherwise. I would prefer you write reasonable comments rather than criticise, without providing any contradicting argument, just unsupported opinion.
I will do my best to write a proper sports article next time, rather than highlight an issue that could put the sport on the headlines for all the wrong reasons, please accept my abject apologies.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Marty, please read the article, I did not state or even suggest netting on the outfield fences.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen

Please see my other responses to those who are happy to accept the risk. I’m quite happy for you to accept the risk for yourself, I think it unacceptable to risk the general set of viewing patrons.

Crowd catches are a disaster waiting to happen