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NZR will no doubt be already working on this sort of contract detail back at the office. Like any business they will want to protect themselves.

I think when Brad Shields played for England he was more or less released form his super rugby contract which contracted him to be available for selection for NZ teams.

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“Interference with the attack” ??? Woww . So what’s the other side doing on the field then.

How many times does these need to be covered. There is noooo such infringement in rugby as a deliberate knock down.

Go to the laws and read the law regards “knock on” then go to the definitions and read “knock on” then “forward”.

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No the law is not flawed. It is to do with the way it is refereed.

It is about intent. The infringement is intentional knock on. The sanction is a penalty. The referees however seem to have at some point (several seasons ago ) got into a big tizz over it all and started dishing out YCs.

I think what you’re implying is a new law that says you can’t block/knock/slap a pass by an opponent at all. If so that would create a whole lot more issues.

Wallabies warned as Rennie apologises for ref rant

Well yes there may well have been outrage if he had been penalised. If he had been penalised then they probably had no choice but to YC him like they did with Beale.

The only problem was that there was sufficiently clear evidence that the ball did not go forward which is why the try stood.

Wallabies warned as Rennie apologises for ref rant

“the other law and it could be argued that he could have been penalised for”

If you are refering to mickeym’s posts then ignore it. As has been pointed out by others he is way off on a tangent.

“As for dropping it dead I see most weeks someone drop it dead not forward only for it to be deemed a knock on”

Yes exactly, that is the case that Geoff and others were arguing…i.e. any drop or touch of the ball like that should be deemed a knock on. No doubt many of those are in fact not knock ons however we can’t stop the game every time a player drops the ball for a TMO check can we.

In this case however the referee deemed the touch from Tompkins was not forward and allowed played to continue. Upon review the TMO process established he was correct.

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Paulo … mickeym has no argument. He’s being far too clever for his own good.

As has already been pointed out by others, the law he is quoting has no relevance to the incident from the Wales – Aust match.

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Simplification of rugby laws is unlikely to happen ever because they can’t be simplified without changing the game.

There however could be a simplification applied to the way the game is refereed. Another discussion for another day.

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So then at what point does a dropped ball become NOT a knock on.

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“players anticipating the refs call”

Agreed. This also happened in the Ireland – ABs game when Jordan dropped a pass. Referee Pearce immediately signaled it backwards as referees often do however many of the players sort of stopped playing and then Pearce stopped play by blowing the whistle.

It’s not the referees problem if the players stop playing. Pearce should have done what Adamson did and simply allowed play to continue.

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Cookie I’m not assuming anything. Rugby at times can be very complex however the knock on law is very straight forward and has been as long as I can remember.

If you need verification can I suggest World Rugby has a website that contains an adequate section covering the laws.

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Hi there Geoff. You and I have had this discussion previously.

Chiefs vs Crusaders last year I think. Reece scored after Strange knocked the ball back after juggling it. Ref O’Keeffe wasn’t sure and brought the TMO into play which showed evidence of the ball being touched backwards from the hand. This case is very similar.

I agree there would have been acceptance if Adamson had immediately called it a knock on. No problem with that however once the TMO is brought into play then the goal posts move. They can’t ignore what they then see on the TV screen.

As was the case in the Reece try I refer to, there is clear evidence in this case Tompkins did not knock the ball on.

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I would have thought there was little need for anyone to look at and quote laws regarding a knock on.

Surely it must be one of the most easily understood laws in the game.

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Not as simple as you think I’m afraid.

I’m not sure if you’re being serious or simply taking the p…

Law 9.4 relates to Obstruction. It has no relevance whatsoever.

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No Geoff. Adamson is working with what he has been given.

The way rugby has been refereed forever changed (and has been evolving ever since) the day the additional match official, referred to as the Television Match Official, was introduced to our game.

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Rugby followers, commentators, writers, and most importantly referees , need to get these words “knock down” , “slap down” out of their rugby vocabulary.

Simply use the words from the laws… i.e. knock on.

It is not and offence in rugby to knock or slap the ball down. Never has been.

It’s only a problem if it is deemed to go forward.

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Yes certainly on the lucky side. Could have just as easily gone the other way.

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So what if it was slapped down. Did it go forward?

For it to have been deemed to be a knock on it has to go forward from the hand.

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Yeah Slipper did question it however Slipper knows full well that a pass can be knocked backwards.

He was merely doing the obligatory captain thingee at that point.

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” It was a deliberate knock down of a pass” ….

Yes you are missing something. Forwards or backwards is absolutely relevant.

There is no law in our game which prevents a player from knocking down a pass made by an opponent.

However knocking the ball on is an infringement and doing so intentionally is the infringement that results in a penalty.

For a knock on to occur the ball has to go forward from a players hand/s.

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Itoje … based on his efforts from 2019. See above. 😛

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As long as its not blurred. 😛

The Wrap: Familiar themes emerge as Wallabies and All Blacks are pasted by England and Ireland

“by allowing players to drive in so low it brings the height of the ruck down”

Well that’s all part of the problem. It’s not a ruck…not in the traditional sense and not in line with the intent of the laws.

It just a pile of bodies lying over and/or binding to the tackled player on the ground.

The Wrap: Familiar themes emerge as Wallabies and All Blacks are pasted by England and Ireland

They were a little way off in making the final mark…just saying.

The Wrap: Familiar themes emerge as Wallabies and All Blacks are pasted by England and Ireland

I AM NOT THE REFEREE!

We hear you however are you available any time soon?? 😁

The Wrap: Familiar themes emerge as Wallabies and All Blacks are pasted by England and Ireland

“You cant be penalised for 2 seperate offences in a 4 phase movement”

Well Jacko apparently you can. That’s exactly what took place.

In hindsight the ABs might have asked for a Credit from 5 years ago when Johnny tried to rip Beuden’s head off. 😛 😛

This guy Referee Pearce is quite an interesting character. I liked it when he said to one of the players you have to go east or west not north or south…something like that. Said player should have asked would NW or NE be ok. 😛

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