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How is this “hypocrisy”?
From what I’ve read, David states he became an atheist after these 2 events, meaning now he does not believe in God.
3 things that have again and again been mentioned, often incorrectly are hypocrisy, irony and it’s OK because others have done far worse.

Just one question will decide Folau's future

That’s exactly what he said.
Folau’s entitled to his belief, he’s not entitled to express that belief without consequences.

Nigel Owens weighs in on Folau debate

It’s funny – I’ve posed that question many times before, but no one comes up with an explanation. Most come back saying the Bible wasn’t intended to be taken literally – after they have argued that certain sections should be taken literally!

Israel Folau to fight Rugby AU sanction

It’s not freedom of religion
It’s not freedom of speech.
He can go and preach and pray and say whatever he likes if he is not taking money from an organisation he is at odds with.
He can even join One Nation and run for Parliament if he wants. It would be the same if Pauline Hanson worked as a refugee advocate – she would be sacked for her comments, but nothings stopping her saying what she likes now.

Israel Folau to fight Rugby AU sanction

I think that’s unfairly maligning all Christians. I’m sure there are many that keep their word, just like any other group.

Israel Folau to fight Rugby AU sanction

As well as having Tattoos

Israel Folau to fight Rugby AU sanction

That’s often quoted, but how did the population increase after that? Unless others were created it seems to suggest they had to procreate among themselves.

Israel Folau to fight Rugby AU sanction

What I find kind of funny is that all the people supporting Folau for his beliefs probably wouldn’t support a Muslim player for their beliefs.
I would hope and expect that exactly the same course of action would be taken whether the player was Christian, Muslim or Druid.

Can rugby really embrace diversity?

Exactly, you’re getting it now – his right to say whatever he likes, whenever he likes is dependent on who he works for.
His human rights are dependent on the country he lives in – none of which have been broken.
At least you haven’t brought up hypocrisy or irony.

Israel Folau issued breach notice, has 48 hours to respond

PeterK referred to aspects of a culture – I’d say American culture qualifies.

Can rugby really embrace diversity?

Nothing wrong with putting his contract with God before the one with RA.
But, he could’ve mentioned that when making the contract with RA – that he couldn’t abide by their contract as is contradicted God’s contract and see what transpired.
Or else he has lied, knowing that he had no intention of keeping his contract with RA. Isn’t that one of the sins he mentioned – will he have to repent?

Izzy, you're a complete...

That is not hypocritical – they’re public holidays, everyone can take them and don’t have to partake in any religious celebration. Would Muslims taking the days off be hypocrites?
Are non Unionists hypocrites for taking off Labor day?

Michael Cheika the latest to hit out at Israel Folau's recent social media post

OK, I’ll try and make it clearer. Would you be OK if a “child love” advocate (who had not been convicted of child molestation) used words to further his views. Note: I used words this time so it is quite clear.

Can rugby really embrace diversity?

I’m sure that is allowed
You can be against the American gun culture
You can be against genital mutilation, male and female, which is is quite prevalent in many cultures and religions
You can be against Whaling
etc, etc – none of those would be considered racist.

Can rugby really embrace diversity?

So what you’re saying Jimbo-Jones, is that, as you put it, “child love” pedo’s should be able to spout whatever views they like without censure, just as you advocate for Falou.
Have I got this right?

Can rugby really embrace diversity?

He we go again.
Trying to tie up other reprehensible exploits as a reason nothing should be done, forgetting that two wrongs don’t make a right.
Throwing out the hypocrisy tag when what they’ve posted wasn’t hypocritical
All we need now is the incorrect use of irony to get the trifecta.

Where will Israel Folau play next?

As piru has noted, this is not a human rights issue – it is a contract issue.
Falou could go around with a megaphone, run for parliament or spout his views in whatever social media account once he’s not being paid by RA.
It really is that simple.

Israel Folau issued breach notice, has 48 hours to respond

Paragraphing is certainly low on the problem list – it just makes reading long posts much easier.
I’m still struggling to know why quoting Bono was hypocritical.

The parable of Israel Folau and the tax collector

Please don’t assume what I am thinking or what I am.
Please also note that I asked if you believe the white heterosexual male should have the same rights as everyone else. Nowhere did I mention should they atone for past wrongs of that group, because, as you say most don’t have any responsibility for.

Michael Cheika the latest to hit out at Israel Folau's recent social media post

How is it drawing a long bow?
Have you ever thought it is OK to be openly gay and it is also OK to be openly Christian. If a gay Rugby player posted a hateful message directed at Christians, they should expect the same censure.
And no, I did not say that – I said, if you had read – “in fact they would be treating players unequally if they allowed certain people to say whatever they wanted and censured others”

If Rugby Australia doesn’t successfully expel Folau, World Rugby have to

James Jones – do you think the white hetrosexual male should have special privileges, like they have for many years, or do you believe they should have exactly the same rights as any other group?

Michael Cheika the latest to hit out at Israel Folau's recent social media post

It’s a sin, you have sinned and if you don’t repent you will go to hell, especially the tattoo clause.
But that’s beside the point. I asked if you follow follow this, as written in Leviticus 19:19 – if not, how do you know what to follow and what not to? Is is just some sayings that are true and some that aren’t. I just want to know how you sort it all out.

Rugby union would be a more inclusive, kinder place without Israel Folau and his backwards views

That is totally correct. RA can promote a competition for Gay folk, Women folk or even Folk singers. They don’t promote their lifestyles or say they will go to hell if they indulge in their lifestyle, so you are totally incorrect if you think that is prejudice.
Can you see the difference?

If Rugby Australia doesn’t successfully expel Folau, World Rugby have to

Gee, you sure love using ‘mature’!
Probably there wouldn’t have been any fuss if his social media page just included his church goers and close friends, but when the vast majority would be people liking him because he’s a sporting star, I don’t think that line of reasoning can be used.

The NRL has allowed worse than Folau to play

That is totally incorrect. They can have whatever beliefs they like, they just can’t use the media to spread paraphernalia that is against the governing bodies code of conduct. Everyone is treated equally in this – in fact they would be treating players unequally if they allowed certain people to say whatever they wanted and censured others.

If Rugby Australia doesn’t successfully expel Folau, World Rugby have to