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Great article Nick, I daresay cooper’s ability has largely gone unnoticed or non-received in pass due to some fans still holding onto the ‘bad-boys’ image that was portrayed.

Would be great to see both him and Kerevi line up, and I think a midfield of Kerevi and Paisami is frightening for any defence

Can Quade and Samu wind back the clock for the Wallabies?

Not sure how Kellaway has deserved the nod over the other half a dozen wingers…

I guess once you are anointed at a young age its becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy even if he hasnt remotely filled the prophecy himself….

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This is the 5th article this week on this discussion (to my knowledge). That’s all I was referring to, obviously they’ve found a topic that causes discussion

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Sorry Dave misread

UNBELIEVABLE: Stunning howler from France gifts Wallabies thrilling first Test win

Would rather discuss, flyhalfs, backrow, Front row and outside backs

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

😂 they’re wasting their time then. Think this is my first return here in 3 or maybe even 5 years… be a long time between clicks 😛

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

So why write an article in justification of a previously posted opinion? If you’re being objective you don’t grind the axe repeatedly

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Haha very god Ken. Fortunately I am only wearing the thinning cat ears and yet to have the rug retreat.
Short and sweet Ken. I cant stand these narratives that get built against young players that are undoubtedly talented, and in particular narratives that are subjective at best.
We’re combing over every pass of a young player to find fault, when the eye test tells us Tate was far more effective then Jake was on Wednesday night. Its just senseless argument building to support favoured selections.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Fair enough. I didnt mind the article on wednesday RE wingers. I guess its the repetitive follow up articles from the likes of Brett etc, but I guess whatever gets the clicks

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Number’s don’t measure quality, but neither doesn’t subjective and selective analysis.

Considering the reds point scoring record during super rugby, I’d suggest that objectively these ‘deficiencies’ have had very little effect on the game or the reds ability to put points on an opposition. So what do we want, a halfback that looks neater (subjectively) or a halfback that provides attacking threats that lead to point scoring?

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Numpty – I have never disagreed with the fact that he has deficiencies. It is the narrative that these deficiencies make him a subpar selection over the likes of Gordon without weighing in the positives. McDermott’s net positives are more advantageous to the wallabies then the steady Gordon. Like I said above, it is Rennie’s call and obviously he is sticking with Gordon, but he will have to wear dying on that hill.

We are also wasting time discussing halfback, where neither are a bad option. Whereas there are other positions that need more attention.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Did you watch the game on Wednesday Peter? There was one halfback that lacked core skills and it wasn’t the one who wasn’t only on the field for 25minutes.

You’re speaking of McDermott like he’s some park level amateur. The numbers don’t lie, there’s very little difference between the two. Rennie obviously prefers Gordon, but like Cheika, he’ll die on that hill of loyalty to players who don’t perform

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Where’s the objectivity in clipping a pass for a drop goal, not showing the movement of Noah and then ignoring the second drop goal attempt that landed text book.

Like I’ve said. None of them are perfect, but this narrative is laughable.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Jeznez, the video RSS feed on this page shows the other drop kick example for instance. Additionally late first half wallabies on half way Jake takes 3 to 4 steps to make a pass, none of those steps were towards the defence, but only closing the passing gap. Then there is the entirety of the super rugby season, instead of clipping sections from one game

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

sorry peter, it was just a joke.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Wouldnt mind seeing Lolesio given a run there when JOC is back. Similar to how the AB’s run, do your apprenticeship at fullback before moving into 10. Would give him experience at international level without the pressure of being the 10, allow him to employ his tactically kicking game and provide a great second playmaking option.

Can the Wallabies bank on Banks?

meaning he applies confirmation bias to his analysis, research and clip selection. Highlight the points you’re making and hide the objections to it.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Phipps got 70 caps to learn core skills.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

Thats a generalisation and misnomer Nicholas. Spaces are created by play, they dont just inherently appear as a game goes on. The reason you see them more late in the game is usually because of fresh player identifying the space and capitalising on tired defence. However, as the All Blacks have shown us with Aaron Smith. Space can be created early and it takes committing players with ball in hand to shift space inside and outside the ball player. Simply passing from the base of the ruck doesn’t create space.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

More selective cropping Nicholas. Appears you have an axe to grind in this matter. Run the clip back of the first drop goal attempt and Noah moves from set left to set right, likely due to the cover defence not being there. Run the clip of the other drop goal attempt and we see the ball delivered to chest in front of Noah for execution.

Additional matters your narrative doesnt cover. A half back that has a damaging running/line breaking abilities best asset is to commit the pillar & post defenders at the breakdown. Passing direct from the base of the breakdown allows defenders to set against the numbers. Movement out from the ruck and forward commit the pillar & post defender, opening space inside and outside the Key defender. This is entirely the reason why you operate with ‘around the corner’ runners, shifting numbers from the breakdown like your Gordon forward pass clip. Without the commitment of the breakdown defenders by the half back this space isnt created. Therefor the pass from the base of the ruck isn’t always the best option, unless you play a field position northern hemisphere style, setting up for the kick.

Coach’s Corner Issue 20: Why Jake got the nod over Tate

We certainly werent dominating our attacking breakdowns. The french were aggressively counter rucking and forcing the turnover. Think you might want to go roll the tape back, was a big part of why we werent getting quick clean ball.

UNBELIEVABLE: Stunning howler from France gifts Wallabies thrilling first Test win

Couldn’t agree more Will. There’s a long term future partnership there in Lolesio and McDermott. Noah needs an injection of confidence and Tate needs to continue to grow with experience

WILL GENIA: Why I'd opt for Noah and Tate, and loved Hunter's 'ballsy' play

Perese, Daugunu, Petaia, Campbell, Hodge…

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Was his first kick of the game. His subsequent ones were fine, 2 led to the wallabies winning the ball back in positive field position.

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Would have thought the other wingers in the squad would be more competent at covering other positions then he is as well..

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