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Adam.
If as stated by club a large number of their members live outside the Shire and they can attract over 82,000 to a 2016 G/F (the vast majority Shark’s fans),the notion all their fans are somehow tucked away in the Shire ,is plainly false.And by making a dogmatic statement they have no fans elsewhere, is absurd.
They are there in numbers at the home games of the Broncos, Gold Coast Central Coast, Penrith, when they play trials on the Sunshine Coast,Port Macquarie and surrounds.

Not arguing about the spread of Dragon’s fans, my wife and her family were Dragon’s supporters.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Tim.They have proven their existence in the last 20 years in terms of competitiveness.Thus the officials could see a way to grow the comp, and as it played out create a decent local derby.
I agree the Dragons brand is far bigger than the Sharks.Always has been so.Yet so was Souths ,and they got kicked out on one occasion.
In any competition, there will be the bigger profile teams and the lesser ones.And Aussies like the underdog at times when it comes to matches.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

If the Sharks had not joined SL ATT, they would be extinct.If the Dragons had joined SL,I believe they would have absorbed the Sharks.
Owning your own ground of course is not a major criteria, but it does help re income from Sponsorship naming rights ,and sponsors’ boxes.
NRL clubs grab money from whatever source they can.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Tim.
SFA juniors. If there was any certainty or any real interest there would be bids.There simply is not.
Adelaide is well down the priority ladder.
The big tests will come when the likes of the Storm have a few bad years.Especially in a non rugby league areas.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

All for expansion and Melbourne coming in.
Only not interested in chopping current NRL clubs, just to allow others to enter.
Different matter if they are unable to continue financially.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Well Adam.Have a chat with Eels,Manly,Newcastle,Titans,Tigers,Dragons,Souths all at one time or another of a few occasions, have had poor management, financial problems, revolving doors for CEOs and coaches.In fact the NRL had to take over the Titans and knights at one stage.
So many of these NRL clubs are hardly shining example of good business practises.That’s why I find it hilarious when the finger is pointed at the Sharks, as being the Lone Big Bad Wolf.

This so called “limited appeal” ,did not stop a full house against the Storm, where the overwhelming majority in attendance were Shark’s fans ,and I was one.Nor stop the club from being among the top merchandise sellers.
The certainties are they will be getting a new Leagues club, with 800 units next door, plus a hotel, its happening.They are not in debt and have money in the Bank ,that is happening.They will be building a Centre of Excellence around the ET stand, money already allocated via grant dollar for dollar State Govt.This incorporates more Corp boxes and seating
Their success for the future is being laid now.Drive past and see the hear the jackhammers in operation.

Jubilee in fact is a lot closer for quite a few Shire residents than perhaps those who live at Engadine or Loftus.They looked at alternative venues ,this was the best option.So forced is probably not the word ,more likely practical.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Tim
Adelaide??? LOL
Where are the bids? Where are the juniors? Where are the sponsors?
Easts, Manly are small suburban clubs ,one with few juniors ,another with a few more.

There is nothing to stop a team from Perth and Brisbane to enter to make an 18 team comp.
Reading between the lines, you want Cronulla gone, because Cronulla had the audacity to enter the compo in 67 and it then affected your numbers.
Mate, you had a huge Leagues club the Taj Mahal, making a fortune, yet after all those years still use a Council ground Jubilee, with one covered stand and a grass hill. And that’s progress?
Without Illawarra and private input, you’d be up you know what street.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

That is rubbish Adam Bagnall,
the number of people who are members is spelt out by the club, and a decent percentage live outside the Shire.I’ve sat in the stands, next to two couple who live well out.
Depends on what times the games are being played Friday 6pm and Thursday nights are detrimental.Looking at crowds from other clubs who have been around for ages,I’d hardly be posturing and finger pointing. .

If they were cut ,the Dragons would be no bigger .Why? The Rockdale/Kogarah area has a changing non rl demographic.
The fans of the Sharks would not follow another club in the main, and their strong junior League would wither and another code with a round ball ready to fill the vacuum.
Oh and the local Dragons v Sharks derby would not exist, thus the crowds would not eventuate.
The Dragons management has been a basket case of late, so let’s have a bigger one.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Tim Buck 3.
Cronulla would have been relocated years ago ,if the NSWRL ,and NRL had not decided they were of strategic importance to the code.
Smith, Gallop,and Greenberg and indeed the Board of the NRL.
Think nearly closing the doors thrice, ASADA, salary cap rort.
And judging by the management and crowds of the Dragons last year, it would appear bringing Cronulla into the premiership was a wise decision.

The whining about the Sharks after 52 years being allowed into the Comp,must keep some people awake at night.You’ve made grand finals since then ,and lost one through plain madness by a player against the Storm.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

But TImBuck 3, the argument is about catchment areas.And guess what those clubs on that basis don’t have the catchment area size.
When Cronulla entered the Shire population was about half the size it is today.New generations have sprung up, and the area has a strong junior League.
Easts have next to no juniors but a wealthy board in an area that is hardly rl central,Souths have a decent following ,but without Crowe would not have survived .
So one can whine about what happened in 67 when the Sharks came in, the problems they have had, yet I survey the other NRL clubs and I see financial earthquakes appearing everywhere over the decades .The pot and kettle are doing a roaring trade.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Tim Buck 3
Another cut St George down to size, that happens with every new team.52 years ago, life goes on.
Well it looks like they have succeeded, plus incompetence by their management and coaching staff.The Sharks must have had a premonition.
The St George Kogarah/Rockdale area ,rather than the Shire ,has a demographic which is not rl supportive in the main.They got 17k to a Soccer Sydney FC match.
After watching and hearing about the Dragon’s efforts over the years and their crowds, in a bigger catchment area ,and the need to have private investment to underpin them, and owing the NRL money,I’d hardly suggest St George is the epitome of managerial excellence. Their old Leagues club (Taj Mahal) is tired. At least the Sharks will be building a new up to date Leagues club for their members.
Think the Dragons should be Illawarra Dragons, that’s where your juniors are in numbers.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Jimmy “Mareeba” The Sharks have bought in far north?
The reason the club moved out during early construction of the retail development, was to give the developer clean air to build.They(developers) I understand were to cover the League licensed club losses , if incurred during that time.
Let’s face it how many went to the old Leagues club in its tired state? The bistro was all that it really had going for it 6 days of the week in winter.
Yep it’s going to be tough for the next couple of years, but any one within the Board would have realised that before doing the Jubilee gig.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Coming from a privately owned club ,with their turnovers of staff LOL.And a ground that is third world standard.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

Walter a fair swag of their membership ,is actually out of the Shire, thus they don’t rely on just locals.Sat next to people from Hunter Valley and NW Sydney in the ET stands, on a regular basis.

If you are going to use a catchment area argument, the Shire has one major pro football team for about 250K.Canberra with a population of say twice that figure has to share between two rugby codes and half an AFL team.
Brisbane has a catchment area of say 2m,and yet the Broncos average about 30k.The Titans 600k yet average far less than 15K.
Catchment area excuse is only as good as the interest and the attendances that result.

The money the club received is being used to purchase an asset the Kareela Golf club ,plus they will be getting a band new Leagues club ,consisting of two massive floors overlooking both Botany Bay and the field(strata titled) which they own, plus a Centre of Excellence on the ET stand side, incorporating not only that but additional seating and corporate facilities(which are limited as of now).
The club already has State Govt promise of a grant of over $10m toward the C of E.And the club down the line intends to develop the stadium further.
I don’t know where you get your info, but it appears off the mark in many cases.

The retail development being built now will include an additional 200 units plus Woolworths, Aldi, medical centre, shops, hotel etc, and the Leagues club will be incorporated within that massive development.IOW you have in toto over 800 units strapped around you club or next door, a shopping centre and other facilities next door, and somehow that’s not going to help bring in custom?

The old Leagues club was a tired uninviting place, made little money, thus provided little to the football club.Yet they survived under those handicaps, plus ASADA.
Bruno Cullen( ex Broncos) when he did an audit of the Shark’s financials and plans(requested by the NRL) around ASADA time, argued this would put the club in the position of being one of the most financially strong within the NRL.
Rest assured relocate Cronulla and the strong junior League ( including females )and rugby league interest in the area will wither, and other codes fill the vacuum.
If one hasn’t learnt the lessons of Super League, they are living in a bubble.

It’s merchandise sales are better than many other NRL clubs.You see it every day walking around the Shire streets and the large number of vehicles with Shark’s number plates.

Cronulla's off-field dysfunction will eventually catch up on the field

The irony.Coming from you Chase those Roos ,your record on facts, porkies and comments on rugby league threads, would be on a level with politicians’ promises.

Where will the NRL be in ten years?

JK What’s a mere 2k if looks good on paper for Gyfox.

Where will the NRL be in ten years?

And the most professionally run Clip.And their existence has helped create a higher NRL profile in their locale, and are one of the biggest NRL TV drawcards for the code.And helped create greater interest for SOO in Vic.
You still get your jimmies in a knot, whenever the Storm is mentioned .And in a very short space of time might I add, compared to the Swans who have been in Sydney for 38 years with a friendly media to assist..

Where will the NRL be in ten years?

Mate seriously you spend so much time justifying your club on rugby league threads, it’s embarrassing.You must be employed by them.
They criticise crowds as being less than stated also.
I get it, your club is perfecto.Move on.I’m over it on a League thread.
I’ll take advice on rugby league from you mate, when the code has no support.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

And I suggest some of the AFL fans of other clubs who either attend or don’t at GWS home games, of crowd announcements who are skeptical ,then must also be ignorant.
It makes no sense for any club to lie, when it looks obvious ,yet they do.Whether it be to ensure their head body is kept happy for a new club, to show competitors they have crowds to match, to encourage more fans to attend look at our crowds.
I believe what I see, and i’m not alone, and what I have experienced with crowds by attending at many venues both here and overseas. You see ,I also bag NRL crowds when they appear overstated.Also when so called sellouts are stated and there are spare seats or half a stand still not seated.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

Dumb suggestion by Kenny . If the recent news about concussions in sport hasn’t hit home, then it never will.
The game will go backwards ,if punching is given the OK.
Talk about living in the past.

Eels legend calls for NRL to scrap ‘no punch’ rule

Sorry GoGWS I don’t trust crowd announcements at times ,whether it be AFL/NRL/or RU/or soccer .Crowd capacity at stadiums is well known.
AFL fans from other clubs gleefully have been bringing it up re Spotless ,take it up with them.
Anyone with 20/20 vision can tell whether a stadium is half full or not.RL people bag NRL and at times International crowds when it appears fudged.I have done it at times with the Sharks,yet your club is perfecto. Give me a break.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

Sport in new areas is always a long term,proposition.The point is how long are sporting bodies prepared to prop up with tens of millions of dollars year after year,and Tv ratings remain ordinary.
The Storm are not finding it easy either in Vic, despite growing ,and ordinary Tv ratings.
The Suns had all these kids watching and attending games at Carrara, despite all the monies injected they are still struggling.Kids attend games in numbers with freebies or special deals regardless of the sport in question.
GWS bang on about their membership numbers in the media implying it’s locals ,but rarely do they mention the fact a decent % are from the ACT.
Auskick participation via the schools is almost a required sport.Kids at grandson’s school have it, yet play rugby codes and soccer on weekends.
Non contact rl is booming on weekends despite Auskick in schools.And contact is growing in some districts.
Swan’s Tv ratings in Sydney despite their crowds and money spent at grassroots, remain ordinary.After 38 years,more than a generation.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

Don’t worry lad you’re working hard to climb the ladder.But it’s always one step up ,two steps back.

Now back to Perth and the possibilities for the NRL in that fair city.
Game has been played there since the 40s.A growing grassroot’s junior base ,a stadium in place ,financial and media and Govt backing, decent crowds whenever the NRL has been played there. V’Landys needs to look beyond just distances and Tv ratings.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

That’s sad Rowdy ,because you’re my 15th favourite ineffectual AFL stirrer.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

Adelaide perhaps they would cut the ribbon, but Perth has a history of rugby league from the 40s.Their junior base is growing,they have the commercial backing ,grounds etc.In fact they had a team before SL intruded, and as soon as they joined SL, their fan base turned off.Perth has grown markedly since then.
Crowds at NRL games there and indeed the SOO have indicated much bigger interest than SA.
Brisbane will have another team, that I have no doubt.
Expansion has always been a divisive issue for rugby league.Many thought having a NZ team in the ARL/NRL was a waste of time, that has been proven wrong.
You can rest assured the NRL will not be throwing paper money at Perth ,like the AFL do with GWS and the Suns, achieving little by comparison for the huge outlay. You can only keep doing dso for so long.
V’Landys is prudent with money,so Perth will need decent resource backing.But again he is only one on the board

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much