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Nth Qlder but Bronco to the bone.

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Oh Adam, I gave you more credit than that. Misplaced obviously if ‘don’t know” is your only link between the two. An opinion on a situation that had not yet occurred is far removed from making a statement of fact based one simple, overarching stat that is not how the actions are accounted for. The two are nothing alike.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

Yeah nice adam, one line out of context.

Tell me at what point I made a derogatory comment about his skills and/or ability?
A) The follow on from that line is my belief this is an attempt to gain a better deal in NZ Rugby. That’s all.
B) I was quite complimentary, now and in previous articles of anyone who has worn the ABs jumper. Backing that up with the fact that nothing more than training will increase his stamina for league.
C) The intricacies of the league hooker position under fatigue. Further the unlikelyhood of a bloke who has never played league, let alone one of the most important and challenging roles at any decent level will come in and get a start with the Roosters this year. That has nothing to do with Perenara, it’s the idea in general. For context, which NRL player could get a walk up start in any super rugby team and a very important position at that?

Not one disparaging word was written about TJ’s Be better than that mate.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

Rein it in mate, we are talking about when a defensive line can move, not the semantics of the 1/100 occurrence. Speaking of, you’ve just compared an off the ground pass to a standard, first receiver pass. How about compare a league’s dummy half. Cam Smith or any decent hooker can throw a 20m spiral off the ground on every other play. Torp or Spiral is the action of the ball, it is not dictated by where the pass orignated from.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

Yep, just what I thought, no reply to anything whatsoever. If you bothered an attempt an to answer of those questions you would have been proven wrong. You’re an empty can champ. Continue all you like you are just embarrassing yourself.

Are you sure that % example is the correct way to display that equation?? 😂 😂

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

Yeah you did.
Me: Can they move before the ball is picked up?
You: they can once the ball is deemed to be clear.
Does the half just leave the bal on the ground once it’s behind the pack? No, don’t play semantics.

Torpedo Passes.
Me: Unless it’s just a few metres to a charging prop…
You: The floater pass is good for close quarter play

Me: … every pass is a torpedo pass.
You: You can spread the ball width to width…

Short balls are fine for close quarter play, anything that requires distance, speed and accuracy is a torp pass.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

I don’t come here to correct you every time you jump on to a league thread. You have zero analysis just 1+1=3 comments. Explain to me why union doesn’t equate exact runs to tackles? How many players are usually involved in a league tackle? Is it only counted as a run if they are tackled? How are offloads attributed to either tackler or the attackers? Do you think league is attributing someone laying a hand on the ruck as an effective tackle? Do union boys look to find the ground in order to secure a position? Do league forwards do the same thing? What about tackling styles, any differences that may contribute to those numbers? Why do assume that a hooker is 2nd or 3rd man in? League has 2-3x more individual runs than union, could that contribute more to a hooker getting 40-50 tackles rather than your weak 2nd man in argument? If you can answer all of these with no ambiguity and unequivical evidence, I’ll take you seriously. Come back with some brief half smart comment and I will continue to hold you in the empty can category.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

Did you just repeat what I said?

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

In fairness, when he left Cronulla he was top 3 FBs in the game. It’s a long way back to there though.

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Look at you go Jacko, you don’t know but argue the point anyway. Here’s a tip, when not one of you union boys are backing you up with support, you’re going down the wrong path.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

He did put the caveat of “NSW selectors” otherise we could have run out wth Slater, Bowen, Johnson, Alfie…

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

I think the difference between the two is structure. Harry is a 50tackle, 80 minutes player who gives crisp service and makes the right decisions. No need to hide him from the softening up period.

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Can they move before the ball is picked up? League doesn’t wait for the hooker to pick the ball up before moving up so the hooker gets minimal time to make the decision on every single play and if he takes a step out, the markers are entitled to take him.

No torpedo passing? Unless it’s just a few metres to a charging prop, every pass is a torpedo pass.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

Who’s Machooka?

The NRL should have avoided this HIA Storm

Good morning John. That has to be THE most arrogant statement out there and generally used by those with the slightest notoritety. I’ve heard real estste agents use it!! People with real money and influence could have those people crushed without lifting a finger.

The NRL should have avoided this HIA Storm

Ha! It was supposed to be depth. Wrong twice. 😔

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Best and Crichton are left centers so is Mitchell. I would start with Wighton as the utility due to his size, physicality and ability to cover 1-6 and #13 if required. Best, IMO, is still a bit raw for origin and Crichton performs best off the hip of a Kikau-like edge player so Mitchell and Lomax?

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Nearly 6.2″ and 95kgs, he’s not that small but I think you are right.

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Aah, Ben, didn’t you know you’re not allowed to say any AB has any failures or frailties. Cue all the union boys proclaiming that any AB is a walking god and could master any skill from any code ever invented. Yawn…

I don’t know much about Perenara and very much doubt he will end up in the NRL let alone transition into a starting hooker position in one of the best drilled sides in the comp. For all the reasons you mention about the stage of his career, Easts are a good team to help pump his value back in NZ.

However, if he did come over, I’m sure with training he could get his stamina up but along with the 50 tackles, he has to be deadly accurate with his passing and the defence isn’t waiting for him to make a decision as they do in union so he has to fast as well – under that fatigue. I have respect for the ability and attitude of any player who has worn the AB jumper but I would see him more as a ball playing lock than hooker.

TJ Perenara: Why he will make it in the NRL - and why he won't

I think this article my have stepped into hyperbole territory. You may have also slipped into the mistake Tim Gore made in comparing one fine to the other, along with lightening the involvement of the trainer.

It is arguable the fine to Crichton basically equates to a ‘D-head’ punishment. However, it came about, it was just a melee and I would argue that the Panthers cared more for the unwanted media attention rather then the fine. The reaction and subsequent tweet were childish, like they had been personally insulted. Arrogant, yes, but let’s not start jumping into ‘dog act’ territory, less you have no where t go when a player is actually injured not just have their feelings hurt.

Panthers have missed the point about arrogant antics

Fines are baed on annual turnover now. Lucky it was Alfie who made the assessment…

The NRL should have avoided this HIA Storm

I mentioned this is Geoff’s article ;ast week that these need to be taken out of the hands of the trainer, they are not medical experts and it is natural they are going to lean toward playing on. The NRL open themselves up to shoert-term criticism and long-term lawsuits by having a guy with a vested interest and no formal HIA training making the immediate the initial assessment.

If we have an independent doctor on the sideline, hire one that has done a few laps and get them on the park to conduct these. Each of these assessment has to be different from the last. That way a qualified professional makes the call and absolves the club of any responsibility and the NRL can claim they are taking measures to protect the players.

I have no idea how any contact with the head can be deemed ok by the official at the time yet the MRC charges them? How acn 2 people see the same thing and come to completely different outcomes and how does Mitchell sitting out the next few weeks help the team he fouled against?

The NRL should have avoided this HIA Storm

TBH I would rather Tede than Turbo or Mitchell. Gutho has proved his worth in the centers, he can stay there. I wonder if he still has the lingering taste of Capewell palm? 😁

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Worried about Melbourne? Enter Harry Grant. I think he’ll be thre strting 9 this week and going forward. It’s been a couple of games to warm him back but the difference between him and Cheese is quite clear. Cheese is enthusiastic but Harry is a pro, he changed the game when he came on.

So the WT and Broncos showed what can be achieved when the pack stands up. I reckon the niggle could the achillies heel if Souths. Their pack can be rattled and guys like Latrell and Cody can lose focus to win the fight as evidenced by the fact both are now spending time on the sideline for off the ball incidents. IMO, don’t poke the bear, smack it with a stick and watch it lose it’s mind looking for revenge.

What a derth of quality FBs running around but Val isn’t among them yet. We all remember 2018 Val but we may be forgetting the Sharks pack he was playing behind. Val didn’t just score from block plays, it was offloads and support play up the middle. His team needs him far more involved.

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

Turbo, Tede, Gutho, Lateell and Paps – someone has to miss out. Edwards has to get recognition soon. He’s probably the difference between the Panthers winning and running riot.

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6

He should be watching RTS video. Even if there’s nothing on, take a fast hit up and be around the ball. The block plays are predictable and neither centers have enough strike to be a threat.

Eight talking points from NRL Round 6