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There already was State of Origin this year
AFL mergers or relocations could resurface due to COVID-19
Not much to say other than “Freo are bad, so Freo will lose” though ay?
The Roar's AFL expert tips and predictions: Round 17
So your argument is that the grand final only needs to be held in a stafium with a capacity of 7,000..?
The best eight teams of 2018 are already in the top eight
Alrighty Brayden lets pick this apart real nice and easily.
Brisbane Or Geelong supporter over the last 23 years? Geelong, of course. Hawks or Geelong? Hawthorn, every time. Why? Fair question, because by your reasoning I’ve just jumped between two ways of deciding who’s best: averages for one and then outright premierships the other. How on Earth can that be?
Well, I’m glad you asked.
See what you seem to intentionally overlook in your article- and each of your subsequent reply’s (for reasons I don’t fully understand)- is that liking teams that win in season and liking teams that win premierships are not in fact mutually exclusive.
Is supporting a good team better than supporting Carlton (shout out to the Carlton supporters)? Heck yes. Is supporting a good team that wins premierships better than supporting a good team? Heck yes. Is supporting a great team that never wins anything important better than supporting that aforementioned good team? Nah, of course not, cause what’s the point? So you as a supporter can show up late to a grand final party and in a nasally voice proudly inform the room that the team that just won wasn’t actually any good, because this other team finished two places higher on the ladder than them the year before and only one place behind them that year?
You can take that as my answer to your question on the tigers (no I’m not a supporter): I’d take a Grand final after years in the wilderness over the St Kilda route circa 2010 of contending but never actually succeeding.
By all means yes, admire Geelong and West Coast: their consistency is nothing to be scoffed at, and it places them yet another rung above teams that have also won premierships but who go missing for years in between appearances. While you’re at it also admire LG’s smartphones, they’re also consistently pretty good. But then, much like the teams of this article, you’d probably have a similarly hard time convincing people that they’re the best of their era either.
The best two clubs of the AFL era (and no, neither is Hawthorn)
Why you’d bring strong clubs up when someone mentions a merger is beyond me
Stairway to heaven, or highway to hell? Let's talk about the Saints
You seem to have it in your head that power rankings are only ever the result of advanced algorithms capable only of running only on super computers in the dead of night so they aren’t competeing with homes for electricity, and I really don’t understand why you’d think that?
After all, Fox Footy’s power rankings are just the opinions of a couple of blokes too- this isn’t an unusual way to do them.
And even if there was some super duper code that sorted the good wins from the meh wins, someone still has to make the code and weight all the stats- which I’d argue is worse then going off the vibe every round, because to run that code from week one you’d likely have to have decided on what the season was going to be like before it started (like whether an away win was better than a home win, and how much better away wins are going to be this year, or whether a win in the pouring rain by a point is worth more than a win in the dry by a point, and guessing how many games will take place in the pouring rain so that if they outnumber dry games they don’t throw everything else off balance- basically it’s a minefield of subjectivity)- which is like going off the vibe before there’s even a vibe to go off.
A power ranking is simply a ranking of teams in order of apparent ability irrespective of wins. That’s all. The method used doesn’t prevent them from being power rankings
AFL Power Rankings 2018: Round 4
Didn’t they have a pretty big issue with exactly that when they lost to Collingwood by 24 earlier this season?
AFL finals: Who's hot, who's not, and who's flying under the radar
Ironic closing line coming from you there Don, the person who’s spent the better part of the last two years finding creative yet repetitive ways to make every thread about how awful Hawthorn, Stevic, Victoria, or all of the above are
At last, finals are here - plus more talking points from AFL Round 23
I’m no Lindsay Thomas fan but that was fantastic
North Melbourne Kangaroos vs St Kilda Saints highlights: Roos by 23
Hawthorn players repeatedly tripped by swans. MCG, Round 9, 2016. No free kicks paid.
Lest we forget.
(Unless it suits your one eyed narrative to forget it of course)
Stop this #anyonebuthawks madness
Alrighty, time for a spot of dissection.
Remember Isaac Smith, who was left alone at the initial stoppage? Here he is accepting the ball off Gunston, having covered the most territory of any player who was at that boundary throw-in. Josh Kennedy, who should have taken responsibility for him from that point on, is nowhere to be seen. Kennedy doesn’t have Smith’s running capacity, but should have been thereabouts to put pressure on.
Kieren Jack was the other player who had a chance to pick up Smith on the way through, but Shaun Burgoyne worked harder than Jack to get there first, and can now block for his teammate, as he is doing.
Certainly, you can say the Hawthorn players got lucky that the Sydney players didn’t follow up like they did, in more or less the same way as you could say GWS were lucky that Brisbane didn’t pressure their ball movement. But heres an alternate point of view that you seem to have spent the last four weeks avoiding/ running from/ screaming “sacrilege! Sacrilege!” at: Hawthorn are just good at outplaying their opponents, and can play top class footy.
Firstly, Lewis only came up with the idea to flick the ball over the Mitchell as they approached the stoppage, and they gave each other a nod and a wink. So much for exhaustive planning and strategies taking place over the summer months for this very situation. This isn’t the NFL. Most of what happens on the football field is made up on the spot.
Two possible scenarios here: 1- Lewis winks and nods at Mitchell, who has no idea what the plan is and just tries to get into space, because a wink is not a full on discussion where newly formed tactical plans are proposed. A wink without context is just a wink.
2- Lewis shoots a knowing look at Sam where he lets Sam know that they’re going to do the thing they planned and trained for over summer. Sam knows immediately because a wink and a nod was all he needed.
Secondly, this was not a victory that relies purely upon Hawthorn’s experience and skill. That’s a minor part. Sydney’s poor set-up and lack of smarts plays a bigger role.
I’d love to know what you think experience provides, if it isn’t a knowledge of how to set up around the ball or an ability to apply footy smarts. I’d suggest having a better set up around the stoppage and playing smarter footy is exactly the kind of thing that comes with more experience and being the better team, but thats just me I guess.
I could keep going, but I’d just end up repeating myself, so I’ll leave it there
The anatomy of a win: Why hard-working Hawks keep getting lucky
More manic yes, but I’d say that in a close game every act during the entire game is important. A touch on the line in the second quarter to keep the margin under three goals is just as pivotal as anything in the final 10 minutes of a game where every score counts
The anatomy of a win: Why hard-working Hawks keep getting lucky
I can’t help but think that this year it’s not going to be necessarily the strongest teams that will play in the grand final, but the teams who take on those with the least momentum/ most injuries/ etc. during their finals campaign.
Just about every one of the top eight teams this year have put forward a case to play in the grand final, but none have stood head and shoulders above the rest. So small things like an injury or two, an extra days break between games, having to travel, or even who they played previously will be deciding factors regarding who makes it to the big dance.
Who's going to make it to the AFL grand final?
North wouldn’t want to play anyone else who makes finals the way they’re travelling at the moment
Who's going to make it to the AFL grand final?
What? A team used a tactic to stop the other team scoring? What sort of crazy new age idea is that? Blasphemous I say! How dare one team try to stop the other from scoring while then having the audacity to go and kick a winning score themselves!
In all seriousness though, what a silly complaint to have about a team
Who's going to make it to the AFL grand final?
I know right, how have Geelong had more free kicks? Absolutely ridiculous
Geelong Cats vs Sydney Swans highlights: AFL scores, blog
Yet the ‘barking, biting Bulldogs are the real deal’ off the back of a three point win, a 57 point loss, and then a four point win?
Port Adelaide vs Hawthorn: Thursday Night Forecast
No Don, they traded for their success. And yes, there is a difference between that and purchasing success.
If you trade, you have to provide a player or draft pick (or more) to the other club- that they deem equal to the player they give up.
If a player comes to the club through free agency, the club that gains them only has to give up space in their salary cap.
The latter of those is using money and grandeur to purchase success. The former is using clever recruiting, bargaining, and- in the case of player for player trades- the sacrifice of coaching hours to hopefully better balance the team.
Hawthorn managed their list well to find success, they didn’t purchase it.
A mid-season trade period: Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide?!
I think you’ll find Don, that my reply to Kane was in fact a reply to Kane, not the article (I know right, it sounds crazy until you put it like that). More specifically, it was in reference to Kane’s insinuation that Hawthorn’s success was built off poaching players from less successful clubs through free agency, which while a popular idea, is not actually true.
I was not in any way suggesting that these previous free agent movements are possible suggestions for a mid season trade. Not least because the moves have already happened- thus rendering a future mid season trade rather impossible- but also because two of those players are retired.
A mid-season trade period: Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide?!
I take it you’re referring to Hawthorn’s free agency record of losing Tom Murphy to Gold Coast, Clinton Young to Collingwood, Lance Franklin to Sydney, Xavier Ellis to West Coast, and Matt Suckling to the Bulldogs, while picking up James Frawley from Melbourne and Jonathan Simpkin from Geelong?
It isn’t really as fantastical as people imagine it to be
A mid-season trade period: Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide?!
Can we write off Gold Coast yet?
North Melbourne top of the table? Guess what? No one cares!
That’s right Tom, don’t let the fact that hawthorn have been the reigning premiers for the last 970 days- doing more to earn Friday night games than any other team- get in the way of a story about them being favoured by the AFL just because of money
The Giants Dynasty is upon us
So the stats you want to back up your article don’t actually exist and the (potentially) most useful one to your point is just a hunch?
Tippett, Cloke and the death of the power forward
Cause so far he’s been right about most things in this thread while old mate Brendo keeps tripping over his own tongue, beating the same dead horse that the “clubs should get the TV revenue”. Which is an argument that amounts to about as much as saying “manufacturers make the stuff that supermarkets sell, why should the supermarkets get a cut?”
AFL mergers or relocations could resurface due to COVID-19