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I agree that the Storm and Chickens are the two top dogs at the moment but as we have seen in so many previous seasons all sorts of things happen between now and Spring. The chance of these two teams being the best two come GF day is fairly slim. A couple of teams are going to emerge and stake a claim especially those with a talented roster and a great run with injuries. I’ve been a big fan of Mitchell for a long time but he is developing a really silly attitude in some ways which could emerge to cause the Chooks a lot of problems in games where things aren’t going so well, which is going to happen. He’s lucky even now that the refs have turned a blind eye to some of his nonsense although they will be doing him a favor in some ways when they do.

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I’ve had a good look at the second try from the Roosters and it was pretty close. I’ve got a long memory for some things and I remember very clearly how Dylan Walker was called offside in a finals match against the Pennies when it appeared he was level. The bunker spent 2 seconds checking it before denying the try which almost for sure cost us the match. Trouble is I’ve not seen one ruling like that since and usually when they look at the replay and the players look onside or level they give it 2 seconds and rule a try.

Roosters and Storm confirm their favouritism, while the Bulldogs remain a mystery

The big crackdown last year and all the penalties didn’t work as far as I could tell. Some were saying they should persist with it and teams would get the message but why would the teams who did well under the crack down like the Tigers change their ways? That forces other teams to fall in to line if they want to win games. The only way to stop players doing anything which benefits their team is to make the penalties harsher. We have seen that players don’t care if they are penalised in most instances so maybe just start sending them to the bin until they are losing games because they are playing with 9 or 10 players. Give a huge warning to players that they need to get off a player as quickly as they can otherwise they’re off to the bin. Anyone who is holding a tackled player and looking back at the ref to see what he thinks is just off to the bin straight away.

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Greenburg says in the SMH this morning that the laying of charges against JDB could be catastrophic for the games revenue in the future because ratings could drop sharply and the next deal in 2023 could be much lower. If that’s true then JDB is only responsible if he is guilty. The idea that the no fault stand down policy would have any impact at all on alleged future sexual assaults of this magnitude are laughable. Fake allegations could well increase because the damage to the player and club are greatly enhanced.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

The best way forward is for the players and NRL to get together I agree but a couple of points seem to be constantly ignored in this whole debate. At this point in time there is no issue at all in the NRL with players committing crimes that attract these long prison sentences. It’s coming down hard on a problem that doesn’t exist. The big problem so far in the most serious charges is the bad publicity created for the game which unfortunately is the sole responsibility of these vindictive woman. It’s not a popular thing to say and it attracts all sorts of juvenile reaction but it is 100% true at this point. The JDB case could be different but I for one will only regard him as a criminal if the courts decide his guilt. The more minor offences are the big problem at the moment and I agree with whatever fair measures the NRL take to minimise these. I don’t know how the NRL can deal with cases like JDB’s or Brett Stewarts because for me the damage is done once the person is charged regardless of whatever action is taken next. Players like Kenny-Dowell and the others who were all found not guilty were allowed to play on without the dramas that many are imagining if JDB plays. On the other hand if the players agree that any future charges like the JDB one should see the player stood down then maybe that’s what will happen. The question then would be I imagine is what happens when a player who knows he has been unfairly accused takes the stand down rule to court. The idea that an innocent player would be happy to be out of the game for up to 2 years is breathtaking. the way the clubs like Saints and Manly dealt with their players being charged is for me the way our society is meant to deal with these issues. They stand by the player and the sponsors don’t panic and wait for the verdict.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

That’ a fair try , if Scott celebrated like he thought it was a try then they probably award it.

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I like this quote from the Silvertails fan forum on the topic ” I am not certain that a judge will consider ‘financial’ reasons a suitable justification or a compelling argument for denying a person natural justice ” I’ve heard many people say that De Bellin should stand himself down or Saints should stand him down and don’t understand their stance but all you have to do and imagine the disaster that would have resulted if Manly stood Brett Stewart down instead of supporting him. The impact on Stewart could have been catastrophic and the less important impact on the club would be no title in 2011 or GF in 2013.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

I’m guilty of expecting the Storm to have some lean years and being wrong. It looks to me like Bellamy is very important but Smith is crucial and I’ll be very interested to see how they go if he ever retires.

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I’ve watched the replay of the Storm and Sharks GF where Chambers only had to pass to Cronk and the Storm win the game. Funny thing is when you look at all the other players it’s only Cronk who is reacting and moving forward to collect the match winning pass that never happened. Any other defender or attacker who could have been there are walking.

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No , once again it’s you who doesn’t get it. JDB is only responsible for any decline in sponsorship if he is found guilty. Are you saying that any decline in sponsorship surrounding Stewart and the others who were cleared is their fault? I’ll answer for you , no it wasn’t. Your answer is to stand JDB down for a brief period for trumped up charges of infidelity and having a few drinks and then let him play for the year leading up to the trial and you have the gall to bag the NRL and posters like me. If it’s all about the NRL taking action then they have taken the action which you and many others supported and all the sponsors should be happy and come flooding back. It’s funny how the mob descended on posters like me but now the courts are exposing the NRL the mob is deserting them and distancing themselves from them. How about you explain in a lengthy article how you would deal with the problem because your solution at the moment is appalling, yet you put yourself on a pedestal above the NRL and posters like me.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

I remember him and you are right. Different kettle of fish really as the sentence was only that long because it was in Asia and from memory he was retired?

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

Whenever I read articles talking about the relative merits of Thurston, Cronk , Slater and Smith I always read that Cronk is the one without the natural talent but I disagree. If it all about effort and dedication then it should be possible to create another Cronk but nobody is getting close. In my opinion you can’t achieve what Cronk has achieved in the halves without a huge amount of natural talent.

It will be interesting to see where Cronks place in history ends up compared to Thurston because his record is close to the best of any player in this era if not the best.

Rooster Cooper's dagger into the heart of Melbourne

You can blame JDB for his role in the demise in sponsorship dollars if he is found guilty, in the mean time you will need to find another scapegoat.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

If only the NRL had this policy in for the last 100 years , imagine all the cases where players spent 11 years or more in jail they could have avoided. None as far as I can tell. If you think that any player is going to change his mind and not murder or rape someone because he won’t be able to play footy any more then good luck. Name one player convicted of a crime which results in an 11 year sentence? They’ve sucked you right in with this nonsense.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

There is no point speculating on cases that don’t exist and therefore have no details. The cases you should be comparing this one to are the Brett Stewart case and the rest where it would have been totally unfair to stand down the players. Of course I am all for innocent until proven guilty, it’s not a personal choice only , it’s the way we operate in this country.

All sorts of people are roaming around in society including those convicted of murder and pedophilia so innocent NRL players like JDB spending 80 minutes a week on a footy field each week with heaps of people watching won’t result in the sky falling in, trust me.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

I’ll add another point. It’s not relevant to the debate, regarding how JDB should be dealt with, the amount of sponsorship money that has or hasn’t been lost. Assuming that the Summer of Horror has cost the game millions it doesn’t give the NRL , journalists or punters on social media the right in any way to lay the slipper in to JDB while he is innocent of any charges. The game and many others are clearly laying the slipper in to him and appear to have learnt nothing from previous cases. This time the NRL have to answer to a court of law not the appalling court of public opinion.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

By referring to my dreamland comment you are saying that if JDB resumes playing at the Saints that sponsors and fans will do the bolt in significant numbers. You either agree or disagree with that. Maybe you could explain to Todd how these draconian steps will be a deterrent to future problems because he has no evidence that it will work. The NRL should do all they can to stop any bad actions by players but they need to be fair. At the moment they have lots of support from all directions baying for blood but calls from people like me that they are out of line have been ridiculed. I’ll accept what the courts say on the matter. If the judge comes out and says it’s all fine and the NRL are allowed to do what they are doing then I’ll concede that I’m wrong.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

We’ll see if the courts agree with your assessment. Good luck standing down players after telling them that they are causing poor public opinion who are then cleared of all charges. How can someone CAUSE poor public opinion if they haven’t done anything wrong? It’s typical talk from posters who then pretend they understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

The two major sponsors who left the Dogs after Mad Monday were 100% real and so are the three major sponsors who have replaced them. The Dogs playing kit is full and worth 4.2 million per season compared to other clubs who are believed to be in the 2.5 to 3.5 million dollar range. The Dogs are in a better position than last season. Have you got it?

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

The Pennies have a roster which should be at it’s peak this season and beyond , a mix of youth and experience , plenty of rep players and experience playing finals footy. Not only that but they’ve got all the facilities to give the players every advantage. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them make another surge up the ladder but you’d have to question why they need to have these golden runs every season to make the finals.

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Saints have said they will select him in the team and if you think that any significant number of people or sponsors of the club are going to do the bolt when he plays you are in dream land. Brett Stewart and others played for their club while awaiting trial and it was no big deal. David Hicks was employed at a well known nursery on the northern beaches and it was no big drama , it’s all in the imagination. How has the Broncos signing of lodge effected the big crowds in Brisbane. Any big mobs storming the place? Anyone who reacts to JDB before the evidence has been heard is immature.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

I would say if we run with TB’s argument and they stitch JDB up on these unproven offences and they hit him with an unfair and out of proportion sentence of 8 weeks out of the game it’s hard to imagine what that is going to achieve. The so called disaster of JDB playing the game before trial would be alive and kicking.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

Some good points Station, it looks to me that the legal advice was to shut your trap about babbling on about his actions bringing the game into disrepute and suspending him on that basis because it was much more perilous than what they’ve done now. I read that letters were sent out to journalists and co explaining that their stance of already blaming JDB for causing problems for the code despite not being convicted would end in tears for the journalists. They felt they needed to act and they adopted the best idea the legal team could come up with I’m guessing. They really should have come up with something after the Brett Stewart case with consultation with the players group. Laying the boot into JDB harder than they did to Brett Stewart with retrospective laws was never going to end well for them despite all the support they got.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

Trouble is the information we have now is useless as other cases have shown, treating the accused fairly must always be the case.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence

To those who say the NRL stuffed up with the no fault policy but should have stood JDB down until his trial for his apparent unsavory actions on the night ( other than what he is charged for) can they explain what happens to an NRL player who is actually found guilty of rape in two years time but because he wasn’t drunk , unfaithful , wife pregnant and all the rest gets to play on and win a title and play for his country for two years before he goes to jail? The unfortunate fact that many don’t understand or won’t accept is if 5 of the highest profile players in the game are charged with group rape tomorrow and half the sponsors of the NRL vanish then we have to wait until the trial is over to see whether it is their fault or not. Poking people with a pitchfork in the period before a trial is unfair and the denials that it is happening are not accepted.

'It's Mabo. It's the vibe': The NRL's Federal Court defence