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Just because you or I would never hit our wives it doesn’t prove that the courts don’t accept circumstances where a person of either sex is tormented that badly that they sometimes lose the plot and hit or kill someone.

Your or my personal examples aren’t relevant to someone elses situation. Everyone agrees that you should never hit a woman but the courts take into account provocation whether we agree with it or not.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

I know she said ‘if convicted ‘ but that’s mandatory sentencing and it’s a nonsensical concept. Anyone who doesn’t understand how it works can read up on it.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

Poor Jill Meagher was killed by an appalling sub human cretin. He was completely to blame for the crime and hopefully will never be on the streets again. Everyone understands that.
However the best thing for woman to do when walking home of a night time if possible is to do it with at least one other person. I believe someone offered to walk her home but she unfortunately declined I believe. To suggest that if she had taken up the offer to get an escort home, that she would almost certainly still be alive, isn’t blaming her it’s just common sense which needs to be spoken about. What ever factors are more likely to lead to rape are part of open discussion on an issue. Accepting drinks from strangers , being blind drunk yourself as a woman and getting into cars with a group of drunk male strangers at 3am are all bad ideas. The idea of not offering advice to a young naive female is ridiculous just because you will be seen as victim blaming. ‘ I can do whatever I want’ might have an element of truth but is it wise?

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

DCE was a huge star in Manly’s 2011 tile win and man of the match in their 2013 loss. Pearce has had a lot more chances to prove himself at the highest level than DCE but has rarely aimed up. That gives DCE a big edge.

Pearce will be a huge success when he retires with his soon to be announced chain of dog grooming parlors.

Who would you rather? Mitchell Pearce or Daly Cherry-Evans

Their were plenty on the Roar who were happy when Dylan Walker was smacked in the head and had his eye socket broken , funnily enough because of what Walker said. TB says he wouldn’t hit his wife under any circumstances but that means nothing to the courts when they heard the evidence of a bloke who was openly ridiculed by his wife about her lovers prowess and his lack of prowess repeatedly. He lost the plot and killed her. Blanket assertions by us punters mean nothing in a court of law. After hearing the evidence he was found not guilty by the jury .
All cases need to be heard on their merit , no matter what any of us think and it’s just not sinking in to some.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

I agree, having ‘lawyer’ as one of your titles means that you should have a superior take on the law than the rest of us and a more balanced view. Advocating blanket life bans and believing that martial law would be invoked if one male a week was killed by his wife is the sort of stuff that would be ridiculed if it was written in the Telegraph. Kents article in the Telegraph is way more insightful than Mary’s I’m afraid.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

He’s grown in size in the last few years , he looked huge on the telly playing for the Raiders. Maybe Wayne is the one who can sort him out. It’s a pretty disturbing reflection on his attitude that three clubs showed him the door so quickly.

How valid is Cronulla's 2016 premiership?

Are you sure that all of these player you have listed have been found guilty of a criminal offence? Brett Stewart was taken out in his first Grand Final by headbutting Michael Crockers shoulder if that’s what you mean.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

I remember a case where a bloke was found not guilty of murdering his wife because she ridiculed him to the point where he pretty much lost his sanity. It’s not as black and white as many are making this issue out to be.

Woman have killed men and found to be not guilty because of the torment also.

The courts do except that at times people are pushed into violence because of extreme verbal ‘assault’ . Each case is heard on its merits which is something many entering this debate are ignoring.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

The NRL clearly stated that the fine and suspension had nothing to do with the police investigation. What people clearly state to cover their position and what is reality are not the same thing.

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

One day this arrogant prickkk will be cut down to size and it will be a pleasure to watch.

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Many would think that an 18 year old player who made a fatal error to drive while drunk and unfortunately killed someone would be allowed to play in the NRL once he had served his sentence. It’s not the same thing as the examples you have listed above.

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

Mandatory sentencing happens after someone is convicted not accused. Mandatory sentencing is a disaster. Some offences are minor and some are incredibly serious and it as foolish to deal out the same punishment for both.

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

Liam Knight is young enough to get a start at every club in the NRL . His fourth club I believe.

How valid is Cronulla's 2016 premiership?

‘Who chose not to behave in an acceptable manner’ makes more sense

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

Presumably the minority of players who do not chose behave to act in an acceptable manner and will not be welcome back in the game (that’s called a life time ban ) will have been convicted by the courts? Trouble with that is that 58 allegations of sexual assault in recent years we have zero convictions.

We’d better get in early and give life time bans to the latest lot before the courts get to hear the evidence.

I also would have no qualms in giving advice to my niece if she asked about inviting a player she doesn’t know around to her house and into the bedroom while a taxi waits outside or the wisdom of jumping into a taxi with two drunk players at 1.30 am . If she then said woman should be able to do whatever they want at any time without being assaulted I’d agree with that 100% also but my advice still stands. I remember being in a house with a cop who was trying to encourage his daughter to give Kings Cross a miss that night for obvious reasons. I can say for sure he mentioned nothing about ‘you have a right to go wherever you want’ That would be ludicrous.

Ironically while no convictions have been recorded against footballers for sexual assault in recent years , the courts have found several woman making up porkies about sexual assaults.

I’m 100% against violence in any form but without convictions all the talk of action and solutions is largely nonsense.

Innocent until proven guilty isn’t just another mindless saying like ‘ Everything happens for a reason’ it actually is a proven concept. Just ask Brett Stewart , Semi Radrardra and Hasim Elmasri

#TimesUp NRL – we need to make a stand

It will be interesting to see (unless it happens to Manly) what happens next time a club is in danger of going down the spout. Will they let a club like the Knights disappear and have a void in the area as they promise? Maybe it would be a good idea for the fans to buy the club via a float on the stock market.

It was one advantage that Super League had over the NRL , they could sensibly distribute clubs around the country and have the right number of teams.

The Sharks must consider relocation

Almost certainly the NRL players are going to be more of a target than an average punter to malicious allegations as some cases have proven. Perhaps this is a bigger problem than we realise.

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

What a silly post. Manly smacked the Storm fair and square 40 nil when the Storm were way over the cap and Manly weren’t. How many players from that Manly team would make a Storm line up from that era?

It’s no good whining about the entirely 100% legal practice of back ended deals.

How valid is Cronulla's 2016 premiership?

I hope it doesn’t get stripped, I don’t think I could handle another club pretending they’ve still got a title when they haven’t.

How valid is Cronulla's 2016 premiership?

It’s a good thing Brett Stewart wasn’t in your team.

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

Paul Kents article today says that 58 sexual assault allegations have been made against 28 NRL and AFL players in recent years without one conviction. That complicates the issue because they are hard cases to prove.

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

The NRL needs to come up with some sort of protocol when dealing with players who are accused of crimes etc. How they go about it I’m not sure. Brett Stewarts case shows they have to consider both sides of the issue.

It’s all a bit of a mess it seems.

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

In answer to the last question about giving life time bans. The answer is no because that’s called mandatory sentencing and anyone who has read more about the result of that concept and has some grey matter understands that is a severely flawed and unfair concept.

Bringing balance into a debate doesn’t mean I support in any way these players actions , I don’t at all but and believe they should be punished. The punishment needs to be based on many factors though and not determined in advance by perceptions.

We’ve now got some saying that media reports on these issues or close to gospel yet when they were talking about Bennetts coaching circus recently it was all a media fairy tale apparently.

The idea that Walker should already be prejudged because Paramedics, Police, charges and AVO,s were involved is ridiculous. Jack Whighton looked as guilty as hell on the cctv footage I saw in the media but the judge or jury got the whole story and acted on the evidence.

If JDB is found to be not guilty of anything illegal then who are we to tell him what he can do at 1.30 with other consenting adults? It’s all very well to use the terms teenager and Gang Bang but apparently these groupies have been willing particpents in this for decades. I’m not in favor of it at all for these young woman but that’s up to them to decide on , not me. Are these woman worried about the pregnant partner at home or are they just as bad as the bloke?

Based on the laws of probability it is very very likely that some or most of these incidents are true but whether we like it or not we still need to give all parties involved a fair go.

Their was a lot of debate on the Roar about the Lodge case. A strong case exists for punishing people like him and then moving on, what is a truly viable alternative?

How much longer until all NRL fans walk away?

Unfortunately because woman are proven to sometimes tell fibbies in these matters we have to consider the possibility that the bloke is innocent whether we like to or believe it.

Most cases are indeed true but who are we to judge which ones they are before the verdict?

The Dogs of Coffs Harbor fame , Brett Stewart and from a different angle even Lindy Chamberlain prove that it is folly to prejudge.

You’ve already allowed your view of the Walker case to be tainted by cops, paramedics, AVO’s and charges being involved. None of that proves anything. Despite what any of us think it is possible that Walker tried to grab her as she was leaving and she fell over. Still enraged by the whole thing she wants to teach him a lesson and colours the story of what really happened. Even if you believe this is highly unlikely, which it probably is, you need to hold your horses on making a judgement. Brett Stewarts case proves that we have no choice except to give the benefit of the doubt.

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