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I think 2 wins from 25 games was an all time low.
COMMENT: Australian rugby is a depressing picture - the RA board must be axed and the constitution changed
I feel it is throwing the baby out with the bath water. After it is all done, they will turn up to the office on the Monday and they will not know where to turn the lights on.
COMMENT: Australian rugby is a depressing picture - the RA board must be axed and the constitution changed
It was culled because Australian teams were not able to beat New Zealand teams. Super Rugby Pacific was somehow going to make a difference. Also, they wanted to introduce Fiji and Moana Pacific’s. They probably had designs to include a Hawaii team in the future at that point.
COMMENT: Australian rugby is a depressing picture - the RA board must be axed and the constitution changed
It will be great experience to play NH teams, however, it is only every 4 years and only for a few Australian teams, if lucky. It’s probably not frequent enough to be any significant value. Perhaps the Australian SR teams could have a short tour on NH each year. They could play trial matches against various clubs up there. That would be some valuable experience.
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This is a situation. We are discussing the prospect of having a domestic competition to replace Super Rugby. This is no likely to happen. RA have not communicated this as an option they are considering. Regardless, everyone is making suggestions as how they think the said competition should be run, etc.. You are saying, expansion will not work with Rugby as they have failed in the past and they will not change it ways due to underlying conflicts of interests. If, in your hypothetical future domestic competition RA have not changed their ways, they are not going to pursue moving away from Super Rugby either. So debating if they have to ability successfully expand a hypothetical competition is mute point as your premise is they can change and therefore there will not be domestic competition anyway.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Andy, that’s not evidence. It’s just an assumption made to try to explain something. Why is it phenomena unique to SR? It isn’t the case in other sports. Why are the Waratahs performing so poorly in recent years?
Even if your theory is true, it’s not something that can’t be remedied.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I don’t think you need to name a team NSW Country or QLD country. Just include Newcastle, which would represent everything north of Sydney. Canberra pretty much has everything south of Sydney. Just as Penrith Panthers do, Western Sydney can represent everyone west of Sydney.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Well if there isn’t a Super Rugby Pacific competition to play in then Fiji may have to make a compromise.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Why would you put a team is Bathurst or Orange? They definately do not have the population to support such a team. It doesn’t make any sense.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
So using your logic, are you saying, if the Rebels and the Force were introduce in 1995 then they would have been able to be successful like the Brumbies have been?
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
The Brumbies do not source all their players from their catchement area. They have a lot of players from Sydney and Brisbane. Would including Illawarra with southern Sydney be a better option? A bit like the St. George Illawarra Dragons.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I would reserve the names Waratahs and Reds for representive teams; probably the Brumbies, Rebels, and Force as well.
I think the initial 8 teams should be located at:
Perth, Melbourne, and Canberra, as well as 3 teams in Sydney, and 2 in Brisbane.
The Sydney teams should be located in Sydney City, North Sydney, and at Parramatta. I would suggest the games be played at suburban grounds, but there is the opportunity to move to the Sydney Football Stadium, and Parramatta Stadium once crowds numbers require it. It will hopefully be needed to accommodate corporate tickets. North Sydney can plan out of North Sydney Cricket Ground. The reason for selecting those locations is because that is where rugby is most popular and more likely to get spectators to the game. That is very important. I would suggest something similar in Brisbane. One team can be located at Ballymore and revert to Suncorp stadium when needed. I’m not sure where the second team should be located as I don’t know Brisbane.
Those 8 teams will give this hypothetical competition the best chance to be successful as it will be building from it strengths.
The next 2 teams to be introduced should be Western Sydney and probably Gold Coast, unless there is another area in Brisbane that warrants representation more than the Gold Coast. Before Western Sydney is introduce it would be ideal to have a Penrith team reintroduced into the Shute Shield first and show they are competitive. This would also require resourced dedicated to growing community rugby in the west.
The next location to introduce would probably be Newcastle, and maybe Townsville.
Adelaide is an interesting prospect. There has been a lot of people spruiking it as having a large untapped market. That is true, but it isn’t that large if they are not watching rugby. I feel there needs to be engagement at the community level and build a strong local competition first. I think a strong national domestic competition will assist with promoting rugby and inspiring people to play rugby, especially if it equates to a strong Wallabies team.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Don’t you think it is a bit hot to play rugby in summer?
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I don’t think there is a whole lot of people in NZ that are happy with SR at the moment. They just might just want to revisit their agreement with RA.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
This whole discussion is based on RA finding the wisdom to replace SR with a domestic competition. Let’s extend the assumption that RA also has the wisdom engage SA so one day a team in SA is viable.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Super Rugby was not a state of origin. Majority of players across all teams were from NSW OR QLD. A state of origin proper would work well when there is a national domestic competition.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I agree with you. Though I think it is important to tackle South Australian from a position of strength. That is, creating a competition by leveraging on rugby’s strengths.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I see what you are saying, however, how valuable are SR games to Stan that do not have an Australian team playing? A domestic competition would have more games of interest to the Australian public. The whole point of this competition is to increase spectators and viewers per game.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Perhaps. My concern is this competition will need to hit the ground running. Even in traditionally strong rugby areas it will take time to get traction. I feel South Australia will be a better expansion team prospect. SA need resources to grow rugby there. A strong domestic competition is the best bet to generate revenue to provide the resources.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
However, such a domestic competition should be able to generate greater revenue than the current Super Rugby. A domestic competition would be far more valuable to a broadcaster. It will have much more content.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I think it would be too early to introduce a team in Adelaide. I would think growing the community game in Adelaide would be important to do first.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
The NSW Waratahs and QLD Reds names should be reserved for state representation.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
Mr Handling, I agree with you on almost everything you have written. Where I do not agree is the instant rivalry by promoting some Shute Shield and Hospital Cup teams. For instance, given the strong rivalries, if Randwick and Two Blues are promoted, there will be animosity from the other clubs. They will not want to support those teams. I would have thought creating new teams located in the Sydney and Brisbane strong rugby centres would be a better option.
In regards to the Asia Pacific Championship, I would have thought taking advantage of a domestic competition with introducing the State of Origin concept. That is NSW, QLD, and Australian Renagades (any Australian that was not selected in the other 2). They can equivalent teams in Japan and NZ, maybe the Drua. That would be a RWC style tournament played over several weeks.
The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again
I think you are reading too much into it. It is just a way of describing the bleak situation.
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I think RA are not in to position to take a risk by paying on a league player’s potential. RA need to be disciplined and offer player contracts on merit. They have to offer him a contact like any other fringe Super Rugby player. They can add performance bonuses which can elevate his salary to the level of a Fraser McReight or Bobby Valetini if he gets game time for the Wallabies.
I think it is about putting the risk back on the player. It shouldn’t be rugby taking a chance on Critchton, but Critchton taking a chance on rugby. If he can’t back himself then how can anyone else?
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