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You got that right… I wouldn’t sacrifice my son for anything… and I wouldn’t stand by and watch any person sacrifice their son for any reason for that matter… and if we had been present at that time we would be trying to stop the state putting anyone to death (as people do today all over the world). It’s an odd thing that you venerate such cruelty.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

The death penalty isn’t something I support…and as for the unfortunate souls denied heaven in Islam – yes apparently they have the same grisly fate. In Judaism I’m not sure – I’m not sure what particular fiction they believe in. In any event it’s all make believe anyway – gays have nothing to worry about… there is no eye in the sky keeping score, and there are no eternal rewards or punishments.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Being thrown off a seven storey building is pretty bad…but it does pale in comparison to being tossed into an eternal lake of fire. Some perspective please.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Mate your God, the one you worship, apparently plans on doing far worse than killing gays… he wants to barbecue them in flames for an eternity. So I’d worry less about what you claim Muslims are doing to gays, and worry a lot more about what your God has in plan for them.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Let’s be generous and accept the very shaky assertion that Christians have not killed members of the gay community, and do not continue to kill them as we speak. A demonstrably false assertion but for the sake of the argument let’s give it to you. OK so Christian’s are now in the clear. Off the hook…. but let’s hear from the Christian God shall we. What’s all this stuff purportedly from Him where he’s going to eternally torture gays eternally in a lake of fire? Are the hands of Christians still clean when they bend the knee to such a violent and intolerant enforcer? Anyway who cares I guess… these are only live questions for believers.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

And therein lies one of the major problems… sweet poison…people who swallow self-destructive ideas and don’t even realise it.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

There’s nothing wrong with Steve’s so called ‘sweeping statement’… religions do in fact contain many poisonous ideas and doctrines, including Christian doctrines. And there’s nothing at all wrong with noticing this and pointing it out… it is of course currently fashionable in our culture to hold our tongues whenever a person utters the phrase ‘religious freedom’ or ‘bible’ and then follows that with nonsense.. the expectation is that we must shut up and listen as the BS flows. To disagree with religious ideas is somehow offensive. Very odd. In Folau’s case he has lovingly pointed to a biblical passage (or summary of one) and warned gays of eternal tourture by burning in a lake of fire…and even though it is not fashionable, there’s nothing wrong with anyone making the point that his warning about Hell is meaningless gibberish, and that gay relationships not only should be tolerated but they should be celebrated. And the gibberish doesn’t stop there of course – plenty of other doctrines from these ancient texts are laughable at best, and self-destructive at worst. Religion is in fact the enemy of societal progress and community inclusiveness in so many ways…. nothing at all wrong with the so called ‘sweeping statement’. Check out the ABS data some time – religious belief has been in terminal decline in this country for decades. The sooner we move to a similar position of Northern Europe the better – in many of these countries religion is a fringe irrelevance. To borrow the formula religious people often use – love the believer, hate the beliefs.

Israel Folau and the governing bodies who are powerless to govern

Agree WA has the strongest team… also it is a bit odd to hear the frequent claim that SA v Vic is what SOO is all about in the AFL… do people claiming this have any idea about the history of SOO… the whole concept was born at a packed Subiaco oval in the 1970s, with a WA v Vic game…And don’t worry about passion – they’d get 60K down there to see a WA team “kick the Vics”.

AFL officially confirms State of Origin match

Fox has had a go at selecting state based origin teams for WA, SA and Victoria, and also the old ‘Allies’ teams for players outside these states. Based on their selections the WA v Vic game would probably be the one to hold because these are the stronger teams who put on a better game.

If the AFL are going to do it, I hope they select a state based team (SA or WA) verses the Vics, and hold it either at Adelaide Oval or the new stadium in Perth – hold it in WA or SA because these states have always backed SOO football very strongly with sell-out crowds. Please don’t hold some Mickey Mouse meaningless ‘All-Stars v Vic’ game at Marvel Stadium that nobody will care about…

AFL State of Origin on the cards as past stars lined up to play in BBL final curtain-raiser for bushfire fundraiser

Phil Davis was on one leg and basically could not break into a sprint … he was 10 meters behind his man after about three strides. Seriously… a random from the crowd could not have done any worse. Giants rolled the dice on Davis and got it wrong.

AFL world in shock as Alex Rance announces immediate retirement

Agree it could be an ‘either/or’ decision in Rance’s mind because Armageddon is imminent after all (and has been since the late 1800s according to JWs). Even if this is an apparently urgent decision, there is a fair chance that ‘future Rance’ will shake his indoctrination at some point..and if that happens he will greatly regret the decisions of ‘2019 Rance’ both financially and also from an experience point of view (unless this is a retirement decision based purely on family reasons). We all make decisions we regret, and if this retirement decision was religiously motivated then this could be a massive regret for Rance if he was to become an ex-JW in the future… I agree that Rance’s career doesn’t seem typical of a JW … it reminds me of Serena Williams who is also an unlikely JW…so Rance/Williams are both unlikely JWs but both have forged ahead in long-standing professional sports careers nevertheless. If I was a betting man I’d put money on future Rance waking up from his JW indoctrination at some point and regretting the decision he made in 2019. And I know all AFL fans regret it already .. he was a fairly unique defender that was exciting to watch. Anyway good luck to him … you can’t accuse him of being mercenary (unlike Folau).

AFL world in shock as Alex Rance announces immediate retirement

Not saying professional sports is the most important thing in the world….As a sports fan it’s just a shame not to see Rance on the field for the next few seasons. He’s a unique defender and would have been good to watch him play and make the most of his talent. He’s 30 years old so he had a maximum of say 5 years to go in his career which is nothing… he did say he wanted more time with family so fair enough. I hope family was the main driver. If the decision is all about him being a JW then surely he could have deferred the decision and played out his contract to 2021 and then gone on to devote more time to his religion. It’s not an ‘either or’ decision – he could be a professional sportsman and then still have 50 odd years to fill his boots on his religious journey.

AFL world in shock as Alex Rance announces immediate retirement

Probably…a random person plucked from the crowd have done as well as some of the Giants key defenders who were playing injured.

AFL world in shock as Alex Rance announces immediate retirement

If ‘spiritual growth’ is the real driver of the decision here (admittedly speculation on my part) then Rance seems to be another example of self-sabotage in a similar category to Folau. Players who could/should otherwise be fulfilling their potential as sportsmen but who have been sidelined due to the impact of religious ideas bouncing around in their heads. Ideas introduced to them by their fathers. Childhood indoctrination.
It’s almost taboo in our culture to even dare to question the substance of religious beliefs, and we live in a society where the state is now attempting to craft laws to protect “religious freedom” (whatever that means). Having said that, it is worth noticing the unpalatable fact that Rance’s religion (JW) upholds doctrines very much aligned to the doctrines that got Folau into so much trouble. It is true that JWs don’t believe exactly the same things as Folau but they’re in the same ball park, and they do believe that all non-JWs (99% of the planet) will be destroyed In an impending Armageddon. So all of Rance’s team mates, and presumably 99% of Richmond fans, are doomed (according to JW teaching). Thanks for the memories but I’m afraid you’re all doomed! This is the rather unpleasant and ugly truth lurking behind benign phrases from Rance such as “spiritual growth”.
In the end nobody can begrudge Rance (or Folau) from determining their path… but as sports fans we surely can’t be criticised too much for shrugging our shoulders and wishIng they’d not been exposed to religious indoctrination that plays out in a way that ultimately takes them away from the game. Rance likely has plenty of good football left in him and it would have been good to see the best defender in the game play a couple more seasons.

AFL world in shock as Alex Rance announces immediate retirement

Mate I was responding to the tired old claim that AFL is an easy game to play and any sportsman/woman can just pick it up and play. The men’s game has the longest history of trying to use players from other sports… Folau/Hunt both had relatively long initiation periods, expert coaching support and tailored physical preparation and yet neither made it to a decent level – The truth is that on their merits as players alone neither would have been given a single game at AFL level. They were there as a marketing ploy as everyone knows, including Folau/Hunt. If Aussie Rules was such an easy game to play then they should have done well and developed into players who could hold down a position in the team. Gaelic footballers I think are the exception – they can successfully make the transition to AFL, and they do…and the reason is that the skills and patterns of play are similar.
With the women, we are in a short term window where athletes from other sports will get a run in the AFLW. As the junior girls competitions develop and grow in numbers you’d expect that more and more players in the future will be from junior Aussie Rules background.

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

Agree. Folau was up against players who had 15 years of junior football under their belts..and his comparative lack of grounding in the game did show unfortunately. Like most GWS supporters, I wanted Folau to work out as an AFL player but seeing him play live at the ground it became obvious that a successful transition was going to be a long shot. The best way to describe Folau was that he was usually ‘out of sync’ with the rest of the team – and as a result the ball usually went over or around Folau… hence the low possession games where he had almost no impact. In the end it was merciful that Folau decided to go back to a game he was more suited to play. Far from proving AFL is an easy game for outsiders to pick up, Folau/Hunt provide some evidence that it is very difficult.

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

English comprehension not a forte of yours JK!

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

Yeah that’s BS and we have live examples to show otherwise. Folau was/is talented RLeague and RUnion player who struggled in the AFL… he learnt the kicking and marking skills to a basic level, and he improved his aerobic fitness.. but he still struggled big time. I went to games where he ran around like a headless chook for the entire game and got about four possessions. And why? Folau could not read the flow of game, or the patterns of play… he had no background in the game, and therefore had a poor footy IQ. He tried very hard to work on that, and even spent a season in the second tier competition to work on his game knowledge but it never came. The same for Karmichael Hunt, though he was marginally more successful but still a below average player. So the claim that AFL is a simple game to pick up is nonsense, and there are recent examples showing it is nonsense. Also, would be interesting to hear from the thousands of talented junior Aussie Rules players who annually aspire to be drafted to the AFL but don’t make the cut …not so easy.

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

What is it that irks you so much about AFLW Max….did an AFLW player beat you up and take your lunch money? …keep pumping out those straw man assertions that nobody nowhere has ever argued.

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

You’re welcome Max… and nice to see you demonstrating your insecurity like that with a juvenile little barb directed at AFLW. Mary’s article makes no more than a passing mention of AFLW (which is fair enough given the gist of the article) yet somehow you find an opening.. well done.

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

What an odd comment….where does that sour grapes attitude come from I wonder. In this article the only detailed reference to the AFLW is about an action photograph of an AFLW player.

Women have been the biggest revolution in sport over the last decade

Gee you sure know how to hurt a guy…all except for that last line that I confess I can’t follow (but I’m sure it’s brilliant).

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

AFL fans criticise Giants for small crowd numbers not that they are fake. If it makes you feel comfortable to imagine that the Giants are faking their crowds then good for you – you’re welcome.
And as for the NRL culture of fibbing about their crowds … well the reason is self evident. I don’t need to explain.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

Whatever mate… you don’t even go to GWS games yet you somehow know. Good for you… I actually do go to games and they seem to be getting it about right… and there is no incentive to tell lies anyway.. why would they? If there is a half full stadium (12K) why pad it out and report a few more thousand.. seriously? … Or if there was only 6k (as you seem to be suggesting) why report 12K. Mate these numbers areall so small and way below the AFL league average …. it would make no sense at all for GWS to tell fibs.. there’s nothing in it for them to do that. Anyway believe what you will – and if you ever go to a game you will find out you were wrong after all.

The National Rugby League chairman thinks five hours on a plane is too much

Contractual agreement including a total ban on SM sounds logical enough but even that can’t remove the reputational risk entirely. For one, he simply may not adhere to any contractual promise and start posting bible based quotes… he is, after all, ultimately and primarily answerable to God (in his mind anyway) and so any promises made to fellow mortal men, or to sporting bodies, are simply an irrelevance in comparison. And let’s face it – he has form. More likely than not he will at some point be seized of some religious fervour and feel the urge to lovingly threaten people to adopt his religion and his God, whether that is through SM, or even statements made through the media … you know it.. we all know it. And when the inevitable does happen then the sport that chose him will be dragged through the mess as they untangle themselves – even the cleanest cut of a separation By sacking will leave a stain. Why even go there? Why should a sporting team or sporting association even take the risk?
Various right wing commentators are missing the point on this ‘religious freedom’ issue – and as this situation plays out in real time before them hopefully the penny will eventually drop. The court of public opinion has real teeth and public sentiment really does matter when it comes to real time decisions of sponsors. Come up with all the ‘religious freedom’ legislation you like that buffers and protects the Folau’s of the world and allows them to quote the nastiest bits of the bible to support their hateful ideology… fine. Done. So in this sort of world what have you achieved. Someone like Folau now would have a legal right to go around repeating godly threats BUT he’d also be in a position of not being able to find anyone to employ him. Nobody wants to be associated with someone who is obsessed with spreading hateful ideologies. Simple. You can’t really enjoy ‘religious freedom’ Folau style and at the same time be employed in a high profile sport… and this proposed ‘religious freedom’ won’t change a thing…employers will increasingly look at player’s SM and take that into account when deciding whether to sign players. For most players it’s a non-issue but for someone like Folau it is THE issue.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job