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He referred to the Force still “playing against teams that have as their best players people we developed and were forcibly stripped from us in 2017”. I took this as a general comment applying to the other Australian teams. As far as I can see the Rebels have 4 former Force players from 2017 in their squad and the Waratahs have one. This statement seems not to reflect the current situation.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

So the decision to remove the Force is my fault now? That’s a new one. I seem to remember I disagreed with it at the time, but you seem adamant so..

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

You clearly missed the part of my comment where I said “last 3 years” – the period since the Force have been back in Super Rugby. That David Pocock is the example you use of the Brumbies signing an established Wallaby supports my statement that it happens rarely given that he signed with the Brumbies in 2013. I know clubs don’t own players, off course they’re free to move. I don’t have an issue with the Force signing Brumbies players either, we need to make sure teams don’t warehouse players in Australia for the good of the game. The point of that comment was that they’re all players who have left the Brumbies due to salary cap or other pressures, in contrast to the comment I was replying to which asserts that the top up system is unfair because it allows teams to warehouse players. You seem to have completely missed the point of that conversation there.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

The Waratahs had to rest about five of them for the Blues game. Can’t remember who exactly. Made a similarly pointless game to the Brumbies v Crusaders. I can’t think of Reds players who have had to, but they’ve had so many injuries that might be why. Although I don’t think Wilson and McCreight have had to rest at all and I don’t think they’ve been injured, so who knows…

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

I find it strange that you think Wallabies top ups entrench disparities but letting a billionaire throw money around won’t. Tbh there’s probably room for Forrest to spend his money (if he wants to) on a small handful of marquees particularly if he lures them from overseas. Has risks though too.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

You’re correct, poorly written by me. I meant that there are a bunch of former Brumbies players in the Force side and wider squad but no former Force players at the Brumbies and there haven’t been any of the 2017 Force players at the Brumbies for a long time (the “forcibly stripped” ones).

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

Oh no, clearly I’ve challenged you too much and upset you. I should have just furiously agreed. Sorry petal.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

There’s a difference between topping up players developed at a club who go onto be front line internationals and just letting billionaire throw his money around. If the Force get to a point where they have more players than other teams on Wallabies top ups I won’t be complaining that they need to lose players. Issue with being more hardline on Wallabies top ups is that you end up with more players forced out of one team who decline to sign with another Aus team and go overseas instead. As Scott Sio did last year.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

Who in the Brumbies side was “forcibly stripped” from you. I can count a number going the other way..

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

Who made you the boss of how I reply to comments?

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

You’re welcome, let me know if you want me to bless anything else.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

That’s a very reasonable comment, I largely agree.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

Another essay repeating the same points, thanks. No one’s saying build a bridge and get over it, all I’m saying is it’s not always relevant to the discussion. Do you always respond to people’s comments with replies that aren’t relevant?

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

If you want to talk about the shafting in 2017 when someone has a go at the Force, fine. This discussion was about what went wrong with the Brumbies last night and there was nothing there to denigrate the Force. Why is an essay length airing of historic grievances necessary?

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

Folding from the first whistle implies they were never in the game. But with ten minutes to go they were within a converted try. Which means the game was close. Good win by the Force and they did well to close the game out in the last ten in particular. But your comment is hyperbolic and doesn’t reflect the match.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

At 69 minutes the score was 24-19. If that’s the Brumbies folding from the first whistle, what does that say about the Force?

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

I think he pretty clearly meant tough watch from a Brumbies perspective. I see no denigration of the Force in that comment either, just pretty reasonable analysis of what went poorly for the Brumbies. I don’t think the rehashing of 2017 is needed either, if the Force want to be recognised for what they’re achieving now (and they should) then fans should move beyond the airing of past grievances which only serves to take focus away from the current team (and is pretty tedious at this point tbh).

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

How is the competition unfair? The Brumbies rarely sign established wallabies players, they produce them. They’ve also lost a huge number of players in the last 3 years, many to pressures of the salary and often to the benefit of the Force (White, Sio, Fainga’a, Kuenzle, Fines-Leleiwasa etc.). Looks a lot like the salary cap at work to me. Wallabies top ups are not meant to be equitable anyway, they’re meant to be used to keep front line Wallabies players, the Brumbies producing more of those players is not unfair, it just means their systems are better. Having an issue with the rest periods for players in a competition as short as Super Rugby is also perfectly reasonable. It skewers the results of the competition and adds to the perception that Super Rugby is nothing but a glorified training run for Internationals.

'No excuses': Force snap 14-match, 10-year losing streak against Brumbies in hammer blow to top two hopes

That would suck. They really need a younger player coming through at lock too.

Exclusive: Lee Warner to join Wallabies duo at Tahs, star forward to return to Japan

He’s capped for Samoa, so no chance. Pity he couldn’t move to another Australian team that needs the depth at lock though.

Exclusive: Lee Warner to join Wallabies duo at Tahs, star forward to return to Japan

Yes, but only one of us has tried.

Rugby News: Ex-PM says RA has succumbed to 'moral blackmail' after 'regrettable' Voice stance revealed

Given the Tahs already have Holloway, Gleason and Harris and are supposedly also signing Amatasero and Philip, there’s going to be a lot of very good backrowers and locks there getting not much gametime. Would be interesting to know how they can fit all these players under the cap too, given that similar levels of depth has resulted in players being squeezed out at the Brumbies in the last two years.

Exclusive: Lee Warner to join Wallabies duo at Tahs, star forward to return to Japan

I asked you a different question to the one you chose to answer. But nuance is clearly lost on you. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised given you couldn’t figure out how corporations work.

Rugby News: Ex-PM says RA has succumbed to 'moral blackmail' after 'regrettable' Voice stance revealed

With their best team available the Brumbies can beat the Chiefs. Not saying they will, but I reckon it would be pretty even odds. Missing a bunch of starters, they will definitely lose. The Brumbies B team can potentially beat the Force. I’m not saying they will, would not surprise me for the Force to win, but it’s more likely than beating the Chiefs missing a bunch of starters. IMO if they have to rest players, this is the option with the most likely chance of securing two wins.

COMPLETE SRP Rd 13 teams: Reds young gun misses debut over discipline issue, Philip back for Rebels

Um, the people who run the corporation.. you know the Board etc. A corporation may not be a person, but they are run by people. You know churches aren’t people either. But they tend to have fairly strong views on things, because guess what, they’re run by people!

That’s very good that you’ve refused positions, well done you. Once again, your need to big note yourself on a rugby forum shines right through.

Rugby News: Ex-PM says RA has succumbed to 'moral blackmail' after 'regrettable' Voice stance revealed

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