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I’ll pay that one MadKiwi.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

? That is your interpretation?
Northern Sydney = Club.
Hooper = Player.
I’m talking about both champ.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Needn’t be halved.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Why is Hakka so sacred then?

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Careful to be too quick to judge El Flash. There are a lot in NZ that stand to gain from this.

NZR and major investor Silver Lake, revenue pie can perhaps double or triple. Look at the NRL and AFL broadcast deals. Give Aussie regions high quality representation and winning teams. Look out.

NZ players stand to get significantly more $ with a large broadcast deal.

And last but not least NZ franchises and fans of Hurricanes, Highlanders and Chiefs with a wider catchment of players to break Crusaders dominance. And majority of team still kiwis.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

We are tripping over ourselves with two conversations. Stay on this part cob.

The sporting market is global. In basketball, the nation gets behind a Josh Gidley or a Patty Mills. And we don’t even get the opportunity to see them play.

If Hooper for instance played for the Northern Sydney Hurricanes…
Australian fans could care less where they train, they would care that there home grown talent is playing for them, and whether they can win the comp.

Hurricanes and fans would see the sense in having a larger player catchment and the best players from Northern NSW. A better arsenal and chance of victory over the likes of the dominant Crusaders. You are correct though, like you, not everyone would be onboard.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

I disagree. The sporting market is global. In basketball, the nation gets behind a Josh Gidley or a Patty Mills. And we don’t even get the opportunity to see them play.

If Hooper played for the Northern Sydney Hurricanes…
Australian fans could care less where they train, they would care that there home grown talent is playing for them, and whether they can win the comp.

Hurricanes would see the sense in having a larger player catchment and the best players from Northern NSW. A better arsenal and chance of victory over the likes of the dominant Crusaders.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Rob9, good questions. Thought this through…
A red hot Northern Sydney Hurricanes with 5 local stars with games at North Sydney Oval (or bigger ground). Hooper and Adam-Ashley Cooper are just two notable players from past several years from Northern Sydney (Northern NSW). I think few would disagree that a Northern Sydney would support a winning team with local players like these. And in the future, there will be other stars.
Dunedin folks have proud Scottish ancestry and have their own minds. That is why they are the Highlanders. Didn’t pair Highlanders with any other location except Melbourne. This was deliberate. Melbourne grew out of the Gold Rush. And it was the Scottish who came out in droves.
By 1830 15.11% of the colonies’ total population were Scots, which increased by the middle of the century to 25,000, or 20-25% of the total population. The Australian Gold Rush of the 1850s provided a further impetus for Scottish migration: in the 1850s 90,000 Scots immigrated, far higher than other British or Irish populations at the time”

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Stirring Growing the money pot.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

There are reasons for that. One of them is lack of onfield success.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Rob9, need to look at dominant dual teams of Brisbane Lions. Sydney Swans.
Take a peak at the number of players from Brisbane or Sydney in these teams. Not many.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

No player need miss out. A Statement of Intent would address that. It would just mean players on the fringe might have to develop a bit more outside there home town.

I realise why the location of teams was changed. But you realise why is as confusing as hell for Aussies to follow. We are descended from convicts from crying out loud.
Rugby is a religion in NZ, and would be a hard pill to swallow for some. But as old saying goes. Money Talks.

No-one has yet had a crack at answering the question. You go with the 12 teams proposed in 2024. How much does the pie grow over the next 5 years? $50M, $100M, $150M? More money good for players, good for community rugby, good for investors such as Silver Lake.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

You would have a natural ground swell of support spring up on the Gold Coast. Gold Coast has a massive kiwi population, particularly from North Island. And NZR and RA can leverage off existing rivalries.
Chiefs v Auckland, Canterbury, Highlanders, Hurricanes.
As well as…
Gold Coast v Brisbane, Sydney teams, etc.
By the way should have said… big fan of Scott Robinson.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Three points I’ll make Paulo.
Agree with mixing of talent. There has to be a sweet spot here. NZR would still want majority of their own players in SR teams to set up a strong All Blacks with a lot of depth. In actual fact, with more local Aussies being picked in the NZ home away from home teams. This would provide additional depth for teams from Western Force and 12th Franchise. Possibly also Brisbane, Sydney and Brumbies.
Aussies don’t get moniker names. Average sports lover in Australia wouldn’t know where NZ teams come from. You give them an Aussie team name though. Different story.
Big time agree with you also that players are the face of it. Many fans drawn to watch their favourite players. For me, names like Campese, Stephen Larkham, Pocock, Quade Cooper, Digby Ione. NZ SR teams would pick Aussie local talent that fit their team culture and identify.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

You raise a good point. Fixtures. Only way it works is when the entire competition fixtures are looked at. The home base would remain in NZ. The feeder clubs would predominately be NZ. And kiwis are a smart bunch and would get this aspect pretty quickly.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

Here what you are saying. That said NRL teams are pretty NZ / Pacific Island heavy and people support those teams.

How New Zealand rugby can take the Australian sporting market by storm

That is pretty decent 10 teams. Only issue is the concentration of talent at SR level. Better off having just a QLD and NSW team.

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

Yep. And this is where NZ needs to make concessions. If they did, there revenue pie will grow. BIGTIME!!

PREDOMINANTLY NZ / PACIFIC PLAYERS (with local Aussies in hybrid teams)
Auckland Blues (Auckland)
Moana Pacifika (Auckland)
Canterbury Crusaders (Canterburry)
North Sydney Hurricanes (NZ home base, split games between Sydney and Wellington), Melbourne Highlanders (NZ home base, split games between Melbourne and Otago), Brisbane Gold Coast Chiefs (Gold Coast home base, split games between Gold Coast and Waikato).
Fiji Western Force (Perth home base, split games between Perth and Fiji)

PREDOMINANTLY AUSTRALIAN PLAYERS
ACT Brumbies (Canberra)
Sydney (current Waratahs)
Brisbane Brothers (current Reds)

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

Yep I agree with the Rays actually. I thought it was loved in Sydney. Guess not.

Personally if the North Sydney Bears was available. That would be gold.

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

Yep. You get it 👍

Need to inspire hate.

Agree with Pacific. Could run 10 teams… few mods reflecting comments from thread…

QLD CONFERENCE
1. North Brisbane Brothers
2. University of QLD
3. QLD Country & Coast
4. Western Force
5. Fiji

NSW CONFERENCE
1. Northern Sydney
2. Randwick
3. NSW Universities
4. ACT Brumbies
5. Melbourne Rebels

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

NZ wouldn’t do a Pacific Nations comp. No money. Argentina not feasible or practical. Been down inter-continental flights road before. Japan. There could be sense to that, but again, lots of long flights.
As Aussies, if NZ stiffing us, most of us wouldn’t bat an eyelid to jump ship and follow the NRL-State of Origin-Test Match model. Key for Oz is three extremely high quality Origin Matches. Maybe some international invites come to play QLD/NSW post origin. Munster. Canterbury. Japan. Saffas. Jaguers.

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

NZ lost the plot with the latest Super Rugby model. It forgot that Australia has a bigger market. Two years ago I wrote this

Premise was an eight-team Trans-Tasman Super Competition with some rebranding: Auckland Blues, Canterbury Crusaders, ACT Brumbies, North Sydney (current Waratahs), Randwick – Hurricanes (NZ home base, split games between Sydney and Wellington), Melbourne – Highlanders (NZ home base, split games between Melbourne and Otago), Brisbane Brothers (current Reds) and Gold Coast – Chiefs (Gold Coast home base, split games between Gold Coast and Waikato).

Now with two new teams in comp. Moana Pacifika (Auckland) would remain unchanged. Final teams would be the Fiji Western Force.

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

Great idea combining the uni’s. 👍 In QLD only downside is Bond is on GC and UQ at St Lucia. Another way to go is 10 team comp… Play teams in your conference twice (keeps costs down). Play teams outside conference once. Then Top 5 finals.

And dilution is fine… But must be followed up with State of Union and of standard as the NRL State of Origin. In fact, the QLD Conference should be headed by Brad Thorn, and NSW headed by top Southern Coach. That way the same standards get applied throughought.

QLD CONFERENCE
1. North Brisbane Brothers
2. University of QLD
3. QLD Country & Coast
4. Western Force
5. Fiji

NSW CONFERENCE
1. Northern Sydney
2. Randwick
3. NSW Universities
4. ACT Brumbies
5. Melbourne Rebels

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

Yep some good calls there with playing schedule.

One playing schedule for the 9 team NRC comp is a 10 round competition…
All teams play each other once, accept they play teams in division twice. Followed by finals.

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

Actually I’m going to disagree with you there. Reason being. You smash out NRC. Then step straight into State of Union. Then winner of QLD / NSW takes on NZ Super Rugby Champ, with looser of QLD/NSW taking on NZ Super Rugby Runnerup.

Should we give Super Rugby the flick forever?

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