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I didn’t set the bar. It was set by the coaches and high profile boofhead players that came before him.

Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

Placings have got worse, but results are 2/3 wins better. You can’t control what other teams do.

Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

There are plenty of examples. Clive Woodwood and Graham Henry had massive calls for their heads after four years in the job from people like you.

What isn’t an anomaly is teams with a revolving door of coaches, with change for changes sake and nobody better to bring in. Never building anything and caught in a downward spiral of failure. Look at the Blues, so quick to sack Lam and others. Now Lam is one of the most highly regarded coaches in England. More talent lost to Auckland rugby.

Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

They also got rid of three of the weakest teams before Thorn took over, making it easier to finish in the bottom 3. And the extra game against the Wolves is counteracted by the much stronger Rebels and absence of the Kings.

Overall the competition is stronger, so improving from 3/4 to six wins, while not an unbridled triumph, is hardly an underachievement.

Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

Dilkington, I’m sorry but Graham Henry isn’t available to coach the Reds. Neither is any other experienced world class coach. And if a top Aussie coach is available why are the wallabies coached by a kiwi again and 3/4 of your Super Rugby teams coached by kiwis or South Africans?

Back in the real world, Queensland and Australian rugby has been at a low ebb for some time. Thorn has done ok in his first three years coaching at any level. He is learning the job and will only get better. Why be knee jerk and throw away that learning? This isn’t soccer. When Jamie Joseph took the Highlanders to 14 in his third year did the Highlanders boot him out? Do you remember what happened two years later?

In the absence of magicking up a sure thing coach you’re better to let Thorn keep building.

Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

Sinclair’s is the most sensible comment so far. The important things once again are to improve as a team and develop some good wallabies.
Let’s be realistic. In the three years before Thorn took over they got either three or four wins. So six is a decent effort. Obviously he should be aiming for better this year, but nothing will be gained by bringing in someone else to start all over again from scratch.

Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

I think the big lesson for the Jags is to build on last year’s success by rotating the squad more and not exhausting their best players. They have the depth.

Rennie is a good bloke. He will improve the culture, which will be a big start.

Rennie: Rankings rise will be hard work

And I predict that Brad Thorn will be best man at Quade’s wedding!

Super Rugby 2020 preview: New Zealand conference

It would still be a step up the ladder for Rennie though.

Rennie a good man as Wallabies coaching job becomes a seller’s market

I wouldn’t go anywhere near White. His teams are so dull and negative. Australia doesn’t have the forwards to play like that and thankfully it’s not in your DNA.

Rennie a good man as Wallabies coaching job becomes a seller’s market

Cheers Harry. I want to get people talking about this.

What's the point of rugby?

Ha ha, I know little about club cricket, although I watch the international stuff. I have absolutely no loyalty to the Chennai Golden Royals, Birmingham Brummies, Sydney Harbours or whatever any of the teams are called.

But then perhaps this only illustrates your point!

What's the point of rugby?

Fair enough.

Although in the movie lots of people watched Rollerball. Only a small hard core watch European club rugby!

What's the point of rugby?

Your use of the word “inevitable” reminds me of the Sicilian’s use of the word “inconceivable” in The Princess Bride. The RFU deficit, CVC deals and reaction against Sarries show the financial strain up North. Meanwhile the flow of prime age All Blacks remains a trickle in the last ten years, with none of them in the first fifteen. The black jersey is still the most powerful force in the rugby universe and there is no evidence that this will change.

Anybody want a peanut?

What's the point of rugby?

There is no boom. All but one of the English clubs make a big loss every year with no end in sight because of the wage arms race. Some have gone bust. If you want an analogy to their folly, Google Alan Sugar’s comment when owner of Spurs about what he and his peers would do with the extra money they were about to get from Sky. This is a clear example of corporate excess.

I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I’m not trying to stop people from heading north if they want to, while the idea of the south controlling all the money is totally far fetched. I just want the game to spend with its means, live by the values it claims make it unique, and not undermine the part of the game which the wider sporting public actually cares about and actually makes money.

What's the point of rugby?

Give him to Gatland!

The best and worst of the All Blacks in 2019

Cheers Pete, they haven’t yet brought in ring fencing yet. I actually think it would be a good thing, without the threat of relegation clubs might take more risks in terms of relying on academy graduates and playing attacking rugby.

Also the 2013 war was county v country, with the FFR and RFU backing their clubs, who were sick of the Irish winning all the time.

What's the point of rugby?

Who said anything about the players not earning a great living? Absolutely they should be able to, but at sustainable levels. And don’t forget the frequent complaints about the length of season by the players association, with players saying they’d be happy to be paid less if they played less games.

And enough of this nanny nonsense. All serious economies, even America, have rules to stop corporate excess, e.g. anti trust legislation. I don’t want to kill the clubs, I just want to curb the excess. This would benefit everyone, including the clubs without sugar daddies in the same league. Who knows, the club based countries might even improve on their 1/9 record in World Cups.

What's the point of rugby?

Cheers PK and good constructive comments.

Yes I agree that current deals need to expire rather than be broken and not everything I’ve suggested might be practical. But let’s remember that they are the world governing body and they set the rules. For example UEFA have their Financial Fair Play rule against loss making clubs.

Also, the clubs would have broken away long ago if they could, but they need money and players. Not all clubs have sugar daddies and you can see the reaction of other clubs to Sarries this week. And where would the English clubs be without the multi million pound RFU subsidies? Club rugby is no money spinner, few care about it.

Also most players want to play test rugby. I simply don’t think that a breakaway would work.

What's the point of rugby?

Yes, but let’s win on the field, not at the bank. Administrators just need the courage.

It’s great to see that the rules are being properly enforced in England this week by the way following Sarries’ dodgy practices.

What's the point of rugby?

Very true.

I think the key is to rein in the rich boys. They don’t have all the power because the players want to play for their countries.

What's the point of rugby?

France are even worse!

Collective failure of the Six Nations

To be fair, on 8/9 occasions one of SA/NZ/Aus has won it and they can’t beat themselves.

What Eddie Jones and Owen Farrell said to the England team after World Cup defeat

As you very well know Jez I wasn’t talking about guys who emigrated as small kids, but the guys who emigrated to play rugby for money. Then you have the established stars poached from other codes…

No walkover for Wallabies as Fiji prepare to flex forwards muscle

At least Campese and co have Fijian parents and culture. Koroibete and co have been bought to cover a lack of home grown depth.

No walkover for Wallabies as Fiji prepare to flex forwards muscle