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I do like how The Roar recycled the Mogg picture from the story about him a few days ago. Very green of them!

A friend close to one of the English teams told me that mid and lower teams want to cancel the season there too. It’s better to keep their staff on the government wage scheme than to pay them and get TV money.

French Top 14 rugby season abandoned

Hi Nic, Eddie kept on saying how he’d been preparing for the NZ game for 2 1/2 years. Unfortunately for him South Africa employ very different cattle!

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

England picked a team and practiced tactics for three years that would beat New Zealand.

There was a slight flaw in that plan…

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Mate, apologies for annoying you. Sydneysiders I know tell me rugby is mainly for private school alumni, strong in the eastern suburbs and along the north shore and north beaches, pockets elsewhere. They have always been adamant that for most Sydneysiders, rugby is simply not part of the culture. One thing I do know for sure is that sport is a culture thing – you watch what your family and friends watch. That is very hard to change en masse. That is my logic.

Sorry if I am misinformed. Honestly, I want Australian rugby to be strong.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Certain parts Rob. That’s the problem.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Thanks for that Nic, I didn’t know anything about the image rights.

PSTD must work hard but boy is he physically blessed. For a big lump like him to consistently make so many telling sprints in a game is something special. One used to do me in!

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Losers complain, winners learn from the experience…

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Hardly opportunism Corne. Have you not noticed that each union has lost tens of millions this year. Everyone desperately needs the cash to survive.

Rugby AU exploring local Rugby Championship hub for 2020 comp

I’m sure that’s the idea, otherwise as you say nobody would agree.

Rugby AU exploring local Rugby Championship hub for 2020 comp

So your way to unlock rugby’s “true revenue potential” was to make a pale imitation of the AFL and NRL? That’s unrealistic. You’ve never had the player depth or committed fan base beyond certain parts of Sydney and Brisbane and some country areas. The rest of the country had long been captured by other codes. You’d have just had clearly inferior players trying to attract potential fans who weren’t part of the rugby culture.

I will say it again. Aussie rugby is only relevant when you are beating your big foreign rivals. An inferior league would have only hastened the Wallabies’ demise.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

I got your point Rob, mine is that, yes, a traditional local rivalry can bring in a four figure crowd of locals brought up in that rivalry, but four figure crowds paying not that much per head are not the basis of a successful international sport.

Which domestic rivalries do you have at a higher tier? QLD v NSW? Anywhere else (other than maybe Perth) and you need a good product to bring people in.

For me the only way a domestic competition can work is if you keep it short and sharp with no more than five teams in a double round robin. Crown a proper Aussie champion, not just a conference winner. Give Twiggy freedom to recruit whoever he likes from overseas to maximise standards. Then play a separate short sharp Champions League against the foreigners to learn from them.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

It was Australia who pushed for the Force and Rebels, nobody else.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

I’m with you all the way Scott, I’ve been arguing all over this thread that Aussie rugby can be great again. It’s your countrymen who seem resigned to mediocrity!

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

I can remember a consistent run of great teams. The Bledisloe Cup winning teams of 79/80. The Alan Jones tourists of 84-86 who won a grand slam up north and smashed us at Eden Park to win the Bledisloe. The Dwyer World Cup and Bledisloe winners of the early 90s. The McQueen/Eddie Jones teams of the late 90s and early 00s who had the Bledisloe Cup for five years, beat the Lions and won another world cup.

I remember when Aussie rugby was full of clever, cocky winners like Campo, Alan Jones, Eddie Jones and Fitzsimmons. I find this inward looking acceptance of mediocrity quite sad. You’re starting to sound like poms!

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

The club game definitely has its place for us die hards, I was brought up going to the local club every Saturday. We need a thriving local scene. Realistically though, it’s a few thousand at best – they actually had to pay the broadcaster to televise the Shute Shield!

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

The AIS S&C certainly helped but in rugby skills, mindset and tactics are more important – otherwise the poms and French would always be dominant. Swimming and cycling etc are far more S&C reliant.

Also AIS rugby union didn’t start until 1988. It played no part in developing all those great players and coaches who came through in the 70s and 80s.

It was never S&C that was Australian rugby’s point of difference. It was canniness, skills and confidence. You need to get those back. It’s crazy to think that a canny, confident Aussie is currently enabling England to finally meet their potential. You need to go back to developing more like him.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

1. French and English clubs play a minimum of six matches against foreign teams each year so they still get that foreign influence. Even the bottom clubs. They also have a lot of top foreigners playing and coaching in their leagues. Australia cannot afford the latter, so they desperately need the former.
2. The crowds watched SR in their droves when you were competitive. It only went into the doldrums when it became clear that you weren’t competitive.
3. You need to face facts that you don’t have the money or players to have more than two or three decent teams. What’s the point paying peanuts to a bunch of Rebels who aren’t up to it? Better to pay more to less but higher quality players to keep good players at home, mentoring the up and comers.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Not SR Soapit, tests. That will never change. Do you really think that a miniature, low quality imitation of AFL and NRL will win over fans of the other codes?

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Rob, every other major rugby nation is “shackled” to others at elite domestic level. It’s how players and coaches learn from other nations. Isolationism is a recipe for failure in all sorts of fields, all through history.

The ARU made two massive mistakes. First, thinking that mediocre teams could win places to rugby when other sports were already part of the culture. Second, therefore neglecting the places where you were already strong. Those strong areas are becoming ever weaker as a result.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Actually it was when you stopped being “elitist” and started expanding beyond your resources that everything went downhill. Nobody is talking about you dominating the world, just getting your fair share of trophies like you did for 25 seasons, 1979-2003.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

And yet for 25 seasons 1979 – 2003 Australia managed it Rob. 40% Bledisloe Cups and 40% World Cups during that period. Participation and support grew accordingly because rugby was a source of patriotic pride, even in non rugby areas. For nearly all of that time you had elite level competition each year, your two main states against our provinces, then your three S12 teams against ours. Learning from and matching the best.

It was only when expansion diluted the quality and your coaching development fell apart that you stopped winning and the fringes fell away. You went back to being a minority sport.

If you kept on building winning teams once you can do it again. Or you can drift further into mediocrity. It’s up to Australian rugby.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Best of luck Carlos. Los Jaguares were the one expansion team that truly added to the comp. I will miss you.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

I don’t see how mediocrity will revive your game, more condemn it to second tier status. Aussie rugby will revive beyond the die hards when you start beating the poms and kiwis again.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Rugby is coming back! Less than two weeks away in NZ, less than five in Australia. I can’t wait!

I’m a bit worried that the Brumbies will walk it, but on the other hand I’d hate it if they lowered their standards, they are a good team.

To be honest I’m glad that the Wolves are gone, despite their excellent supporters they helped diminish the comp, but hopefully Japanese clubs can get involved in some way and be competitive. From what I’ve seen they lack depth but maybe they can replace France as the destination of choice for players all around the world.

The Jags I’m sad to see go, they were competitive. At least we tried to help.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Yeah, good point, any comp with the Rebels, Tahs, Force and Reds as 80% of the competition can hardly be called Super anything.

To be fair though, I don’t think iPhone is the best metaphor. Maybe 80s brick? Bush Telegraph?

Seriously though, best of luck for a great comp. It’ll be fantastic to get some live rugby on our screens, I hope that the various nations also screen each others’.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip