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I agree that the law seems harsh that I believe you can be asleep in the back and still get done if you have the keys with you.

Latu was apparently asleep in the drivers seat at a set of traffic lights. Not sure if keys were in the ignition or not.

Tolu Latu officially stood down by Waratahs

Of course it is only one factor but looking at mental health in general the overriding messages from the charities we work with are around:

* ensuring people are engaged in strong relationships
* building self-confidence
* removing stigma
* and encouraging help seeking behaviours.

When you overlay those principles against the discrimnatory environment that LGBTQI have to face it becomes easy to see why they are more vulnerable than the general population – and the attitudes of the general populace have a role in creating a better environment.

Just letting people know they have worth and they are cared for is hugely important.

How would a Folau legal challenge affect RA?

The night cleaner isn’t perhaps the most widely recognised face of the organisation and the steps have been more like:

1. Post dumb comment to cloud
2. Organisation distances themselves from comment but takes no further action
3. Post another dumb comment to the cloud
4. Organisation calls him in to see his coach and the CEO to explain that these posts are damaging and won’t be tolerated but applies no sanctions
5. Employee says he understands the organisation’s position
6. Organisation extends a lucrative and long term contract to the employee which he accepts
7. Posts another dumb comment to the cloud
8. Refuses to take calls or any contact from his employer, including visits to his home
9. Organisation announces intention to seek termination
10. Organisation attempts mediation
11. Employee refuses to accept significant pay out to resign
12. Organisation appoints independent tribunal to assess
13. Employee refuses to acknowledge wrong doing
14. Employee refuses to take down dumb post from cloud
15. Employee refuses to say he won’t make similar dumb posts in the future
16. Organisation re-announces intention to terminate
17. Employee reserves right to take employer to court
18. …………..watch this space to find out if there is a case for unfair dismissal……………

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

I suspect that Potgieter’s conduct was a heat of the moment thing.

A lot of homophobic slurs are actually unintended. Calling out someone as weak by calling them a poof is a classic example. Not because you actually think the person is gay but just looking to insult that person to get them to do another set, have another drink, whatever it might be.

I’ve been guilty of it myself and had to have the issue called to my attention before I examined my own behaviour and really considered the impact my words have on others.

I think Potgieter’s immediate apology and engagement with the Convicts hopefully does indicate that what he did was as he said, “It was an off-hand remark made without thought for the hurt it could cause to those around me.”

Hopefully he’s learned from that and modified his behaviour, just as I learned to do.

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

Yep – major problem and one that is close to my heart, Rah Rah. I’m a co-founder/former organiser of the HK Blue Tie Ball fundraiser in Hong Kong that has raised over 2M HKD to go towards dealing with mental health issues. Our primary charities that we fund are Batyr, Kely HK and Mind HK.

Got motivated to do something after losing friends to suicide and a matter I’m very passionate about.

By the way, how many of those blokes are gay men?

In Oz, LGBTI 16-27 yr olds are 5 times more likely to attempt suicide, and transgender people over 18 are 11 times more likely compared to the general population.

The Statistics At a Glance: The Mental Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Intersex People in Australia

How would a Folau legal challenge affect RA?

They are a group over represented in self harm statistics with mounting evidence that a driver of that is experiencing discrimination and a lack of acceptance.

The other groups Izzy called out aren’t similarly over represented when it comes to suicide so haven’t had people that care about this problem up in arms

How would a Folau legal challenge affect RA?

He’s very young, agree he looks like he can improve over the next couple of years.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

I think one of you is saying they don’t pick and go enough while the other is saying they appear to be playing a pick and go game plan – maybe I’m misreading one of you.

My frustration with the Tahs this season is they haven’t been able to make inroads in tight and are then shifting wide, often with a looping cut-out pass very early.

I think it does directly translate to a lack of power in the pack and not enough punch in the Hunt/Ashley-Cooper centre pairing. AAC in particular is getting rag-dolled by people when he carries.

I’m a big believer in earning the right to go wide and think the Tahs have been guilty of shifting without having done so, reminds me a bit of the Crusaders in Blackadder’s final season.

Interestingly the Tahs are clearly trying to get their offload and support up, Phipps’s try against the Lions being an absolute special. If they can get that going consistently it will again be a nod to the Crusaders but this time the good version!

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Vui’s been playing for Southern, I really don’t know why he isn’t rated by Gibson and Cron. I think he’s looked good in his very limited minutes for the Tahs.

I find the resting comments from Gibson bizarre – it’s almost like he’s setting himself up to ignore the agreement. He’s saying he’ll rest when they are out of the race – does that mean if the Tahs make the finals he won’t rest?

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Yep and with Latu’s latest blow up can’t get himself back in the frame quickly enough for me.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Didn’t catch the game on the weekend but there are some promising signs. Robertson was good against the Lions, I’m still waiting fingers crossed for him to have that crack at TH when Kepu rests.

Will be interesting if TR can get some go forward on the right hand side of the scrum if that helps Johnson-Holmes. I really like HJH but his head is pointing too far towards the ground when he is in under the TH’s chest, his body shape is pretty good despite this but he’ll be a lot more powerful if he can keep his chin off his own chest. Would like to see a slightly lower hip positioning from him so that he’s in a little more upward inflection as well.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Yeah, isn’t just the backrow either – the best sides have that threat from their front row and in the wide channels. Naholo used to play that role for the AB’s, Conrad Smith before him, AAC before he lost most of his power was a real threat as well. The Scots have multiple guys capable.

Hodge is a bit long levered for it, Koroibete is still learning when to offload or not, Maddocks lacks power, Meakes seems like the guy that might be able to add that string to his bow.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

I think the Rebels have probably fallen over in three areas.

They have a clear plan A but don’t look able to change the speed of the game or their style if that isn’t working.

Their scrum isn’t strong enough

And their on ball presence at the ruck isn’t that threatening.

A little disappointed that Wessels isn’t showing clear progress in fixing these areas. Is what we need to see from him as a coach.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Think they have to prepare as though he’s going to play. Was it the Lions with the dummy team sheet earlier in the season?

A bit of anything goes out of the Republic this year.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Got to think that the Brumbies are in the drivers seat from here. A few big games coming up.

The Rebels have left the Australian conference door ajar and it could cost them

Looks like he’ll head directly to the Supreme Court.

He’s waived the right to appeal and have a second code of conduct and seems to be indicating he’s going directly to litigation

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

I think if you are high profile, paid out of funds from sponsors and they decide they don’t want to be associated with you anymore then there is a case – particularly when you use the fame you get from your employment as a platform to make your statements.

Am sure that Izzy will keep making these types of statements and it will become a non-event – had he stayed in the team then we would have to deal with this circus every time he makes statements of this ilk.

If you promulgate something this divisive and it takes all the media attention away from a game that is already struggling to attract fans – is that really good business sense? Let alone can RA afford to pay him if their major sponsors walk?

Would you say tough luck to RA find the money somewhere else, they are legally beholden to Folau even if he makes statements that drive their revenue down?

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

No, it’s saying gays are going to Hell is offensive and just citing his interpretation of a book is no defence.

He’s allowed (and indeed has been supported) in making many Christian posts.

He was just asked to not make posts disrespectful of others and at that he failed.

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

I think he’s selectively applying his religious viewpoint and that it isn’t really a defence.

All RA asked him to be was respectful of all when he posts.

It’s now been deemed that telling people they are going to Hell wasn’t respectful.

He’s been allowed to make many many religious comments. It’s just when he posted something disrespecting people that he got himself in trouble.

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

For me it’s that his religion appears to be a beard for an issue he wants to campaign on.

He’s joined a church that applies a strict interpretation of the bible – to the extent that Izzy has been preaching that Jeremiah around 600 BC was writing about the perils of Christmas trees.

We are now getting told that his meme is just a direct translation of some quotes from the bible.

How then does he justify his twitter post complaining about the devil blinding people in response to the Tasmanian birth certificate legislation? Did Jeremiah write about birth certificates and the way to fill in gender in said documents?

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

All makes sense mate. I rather think we are about to find out if they have a legally sustainable case or not.

Sadly a way to run on this I suspect

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

G’day Ralph, I think if RA had made a simple statement his views didn’t represent the views of the organisation and attempted to move on without sanction that we still would have had the news cycle and these boards dominated by this matter.

I have to assume that the sponsors that have ended their relationships with Folau probably would have ended their relationships with RA if they hadn’t headed down this path

All with the spectre of Folau not saying he won’t make similar posts in the future.

Agree though, RA haven’t covered themselves in glory, relying on verbal agreements, failing to add the social media clause they intended to and signing such a high profile player to such a big contract when it is now clear he wasn’t on the same page as them.

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

I understood from the reporting on the code of conduct hearing that he refused to take down the post citing he doesn’t believe he’s done anything wrong and that he may indeed make similar posts in the future.

His posts, this time and last time have had huge reach across a broad range of people and it’s completely sucked all the oxygen out of the game. We should be talking about the Tahs v Reds result – the Aussie derby with the greatest history in the game, something that should be one of the highlights of the season in Oz and instead all we are talking about is Izzy.

How many more times could he be allowed to distract everyone from the game? All while driving sponsors away, and we aren’t just talking QANTAS.

Israel Folau has been unfairly hounded out of Australian rugby

Israel, it’s been a joy to watch you play for our state and our country. I thank you for all your efforts and feats upon the field.

Unfortunately you are using religion as a shield to defend some horrendous views. They hurt innocent people that deserve support. If you won’t stop making these abhorrent comments then I am glad you will be out of the team.

I wish you well but goodbye

Israel Folau issues statement after contract termination

My biggest knock on him has always been that he’s quite inaccurate in the clean out.

Interesting to me is that I think he looks bigger in the biceps than he ever has – suspect he’s really lifted his strength work – his two strips in the tackle on the weekend were a part of his game I haven’t really seen before.

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