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Cricket's all-time alphabetical 'R' Team

With the pairs of Richards (and sons) and Russells, as well as other high quality players, the ‘R’ Team is perhaps best described as ‘light heavyweight”’– strong and powerful but just below a few of the others. Still, this is a very strong team.

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Cricket's All Time K Team

With some of the composite teams coming up, we are now past the half way mark of this marathon. To date, the B Team and the H Team are the stand outs and it’s fair to say that they won’t be challenged by the K Team.

Or Paine declaring on Warner with the World Record in sight…

Spoilers: The cricketing saga (Part 2)

Mine was Billy Bowden not giving Ohja out when Johnson had him stone motherless plumb in the first test in India in 2010. Aust would have won by 5 runs (and not lost the series), instead India won by a wicket due to yet another VVS gem.

Spoilers: The cricketing saga (Part 2)

Great series.

I understand that Thorpe’s selfishness in that innings p1ssed off a number of his teammates. And rightly so.

Spoilers: The cricketing saga (Part 2)

Yes, it is a very interesting topic. Clearly the best fielders have all the anticipation etc PLUS the speed to go with it.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

For those wanting to know Sanga batsman only stats by opponent:
Inn NO runs Ave
Australia 11 0 679 61.73
Bangladesh 15 2 1612 124.00
England 18 0 852 47.33
India 19 1 1032 57.33
New Zealand 18 3 821 54.73
Pakistan 37 5 2228 69.63
South Africa 21 0 1251 59.57
West Indies 9 1 442 55.25
Zimbabwe 2 0 281 140.50
Total 150 12 9198 66.65
Needless to day, they are pretty special.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

That was some innings – was sawn off at the end as well.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Great link. Clearly they think that running catches deserve higher ratings. I suspect that has something to do with how they benchmark the speed of the “average” fielder in determining the probability of the catch being made. If that’s the case then quite obviously faster outfielders are going to make notionally harder catches because they effectively have a head start.

For instance, Billy Hamilton, who was on that clip, has near olympic sprinting level speed so he’s always going to make running catches look easy.

Of all those catches, the Jackie Bradley Jr one looked the best.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

To be clear, I am separating catching with ground fielding (which is predominantly about stopping runs). I totally agree that catching is more important in red ball cricket because wickets are the limiting factor (as opposed to deliveries in white ball cricket). That said, catching in T20s is almost an entirely different skill to catching in Tests as it is more reliant on outfield catches rather than close to the wicket catches.

I do disagree re the size and shape of the fields. Yes, baseball has some quirks at the fence but the game is still focussed between first and third base. It’s like playing cricket where bowlers have to aim at the stumps and batsmen can only hit between cover and mid wicket. The permutations on any one ball are orders larger in cricket than in baseball.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

It is a lot easier to do in baseball with the smaller fields and limited fair territory, a known strike zone and fairly static fielding positions and roles.

Plus, over a 5 day Test good fielding (as opposed to catching) has less of an impact on an overall result than in a baseball game (or even a T20).

That said, I agree that great fielding is under appreciated, particularly in T20s.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

There was a guy called Steve Smith who struggled to get a game in that period.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Maybe if you score the 50s, there is no need for a deciding test.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Sobers was one of the rare beasts that had both.

Sadly he played a couple of years too long chasing the runs WR and then 8000 Test runs.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

That’s going to make for some sorry reading. He should have retired at the same time as Warney! He would have had 9000+ runs at 59.
Or after the 2008 tour of the West Indies when he had 10000 at 58.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

What if you are so incompetent that you don’t even get a hand on it?

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

If runs are runs and wickets are wickets, then a drop is a drop and a runout is runout.

That doesn’t follow for drops (or missed run outs). You need a counterfactual to determine if it should have been caught and inevitably that involves a level of subjectivity. On the other hand, as you say, runs are runs and wickets are wickets.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

You were right – the kidnapper was his ex GF’s brother.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Are you Riccardo Thunberg?

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Actually you probably need more than cricinfo. Charles Davis goes back to newspaper reports of a days play.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Runs saved, catches dropped, run outs missed etc are subjective stats.

Baseball does have the one subjective stat when it comes to errors but those are relatively rare (maybe on average 1 a game) and are called at the time by the official scorers (not the umpires).

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Yeah, it’s a super elite list. I think Kallis and SRT were close to it as well.
I look forward to the Waugh article. His peak was pretty extended. His modest start reinforces how good he was given his final stats.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

On the flat track bully analysis – a variation on that is general dispersion of scores. That is, are 2 x 50 better than 100 and a 0?
And then a further variation is the situational value of runs – the VVS Proposition.
In relation to the Steve Waugh conundrum (which isn’t really one because he’s a ATG), I like to use a Bradman Best (with apologies to the outstanding Knights NRL player) – that is, the 52 best consecutive tests of a players career. The thinking is, there is no dispute that Bradman was the greatest of all time notwithstanding that he only played 52 Tests. So that many Tests should be enough of a guide to judge overall greatness (yes Bradman had a 20 year career whereas some players can play 50 Tests in 4 years, but leaving that aside…). In the article I did on Steve Smith a while ago, here was my findings on the Bradman Best:
Under that analysis the only players to have scored over 5500 Test runs or to maintain an average of over 70 for a block of 52 Tests are:
Bradman: 6996 runs at 99.94
Smith: 6003 at 75.04
Ponting: 5857 at 74.14
Sangakkara: 5699 at 64.76
Lara: 5576 at 61.27
Sobers: 5464 at 72.91

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

So the title of this article didn’t age well!

My IPL XI at the halfway stage

So, have we all caught up on the Stewie Macgill news?

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Moneyball doesn’t work in Test cricket because there is no draft or salary cap.

So give me Sobers any day of the week.

Lies and damn lies: Cricket’s debatable statistics

Stuart – your reaction to Hadley’s rant suggests that he got exactly what he wanted out of it.

On forums like this and social media, we say “don’t feed the trolls”. That should apply for RWNJ radio announcers as well.

What does Ray Hadley have against football and why didn’t James Johnson ask him?