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Nicholas, Australia should not focus on quick fixes of bringing back older players from Europe and Japan on inflated salaries. Better off bringing back younger players, who perhaps could not get a contract or games in Australia, so headed overseas. Bring them back after a couple of years on normal salaries. I am talking about 22 or 23 year olds, not 30 plus year olds. They are not yet stars, but have gained useful experience and return really hungry to play for the Wallabies.
As a Western Force fan, I think Dane Haylett-Petty is a good example of this. Another hopefully, will be Andrew Deegan at fly-half, who has just moved to the Rebels, after 2 years with the Force.

Why the Giteau Law has to be fit for purpose in 2020

Spiro,
Nice thoughtful summary of the current discontent with the the RA .

Rugby is facing a civil war unless Cameron Clyne goes now

Hi Fionn, The Force saga was handled a lot more than very poorly. Have a read of this:
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/western-force/andrew-forrest-calls-for-review-into-rugby-australias-handling-of-western-force-axing-ng-b88868603z

No comment from the RA.

The Wrap: Australian rugby’s strange parallel universe

Wow Geoff. Talking about very long bows!

Senator Reynolds was just one of the 3 senators involved representing different political parties and states.

The Wrap: Australian rugby’s strange parallel universe

Ian,
The government has already been involved. There was a Senate inquiry on the ” Future of Rugby Union in Australia” in 2017.The RA ignored most of their recommendations and blundered on.“”>https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Community_Affairs/Futureofrugbyunion”>;https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Community_Affairs/Futureofrugbyunion“>https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Community_Affairs/Futureofrugbyunion

The Wrap: Australian rugby’s strange parallel universe

Bobby,
It must be a really secret society, when not even TWAS knows how vacancies on the board are filled.

Rugby is facing a civil war unless Cameron Clyne goes now

Wow so quick, Twas you must sit there waiting for me post something.

Too hard to argue with your own ” dumb emotive arguments”, especially your joke about NSW and QLD not needing multiple bailouts.

Here’s a great idea: Let’s stop playing the All Blacks

That bit about kicking the ACT schools out of the Waratah Cup sounds familiar.

NSW and Qld looked west and saw this rising competitor Western Force, starting to beat the Reds and Tahs on a regular basis in Super rugby. So they acted and orchestrated the axing of the Western Force from Super rugby. The Reds and Tahs were officially excluded right from the beginning from the pretend ARU evaluation process as to who should get the chop. It was a sham evaluation. It was always going to be the Force.

Now that the NSW and Qld teams are getting beaten by the Force in the NRC, they are talking of shutting down the NRC all together. Apparently they want to replace it with a national club competition where all 10 premier clubs from Sydney and all 10 from Brisbane automatically qualify, but only 2 clubs from WA can qualify.

Twiggy has the right idea. Start our own competition and then enjoy the day when NSW and Qld come knocking at the GRR door.

Here’s a great idea: Let’s stop playing the All Blacks

Which “only 2” are you referring to Paul?

Strange that for 2020 the NSW Tahs have signed up both the 2019 Australian under 20 players who originated from WA.
Our WA development program must be doing something right, if the so called heartland of rugby in Australia, cannot find better young players in NSW.

Don’t give Giteau’s Law the boot

Piru, It is strange that only TWAS misunderstood.

Don’t give Giteau’s Law the boot

TWAS, Let me try and spell that out in simpler terms for you.

I would amend Will Knight’s suggestion to read:
“Perhaps if anything, there is scope to lighten the restriction of 60 Tests and seven seasons of Super Rugby, and reduce the limit closer to 40 Tests and four Super and/or GRR Rugby seasons.”

Don’t give Giteau’s Law the boot

Will,
You forget that the Australian state/territory with the third biggest number of rugby players are excluded from Super rugby. This is the state that won the National Rugby Championship recently 42-3 against the Canberra Vikings, who were loaded with 3 Wallabies and 11 contracted Super players. This state also won the NRC division II trophy against NSW Country in 2019.

Please amend your Giteau Law to include GRR games as well

Don’t give Giteau’s Law the boot

Brett,
Yes it is common for a national union chairman to interview prospective national coaches. However Clyne will be gone in 3 months time and a new chairman will be in his place. If the new Chairman Dick Marks, or Geoff Stooke or A.N. Other and their new board have a problem with Dave Rennie as coach, they are stuck with him, because he has a 4 year contract to pay out. (Clyne would have approved of the signing Israel Folau’s 4 year contract, after the RA had already had a run in with Izzie’s over his religous views.)
An outgoing chairman with less of an ego, would had reclused himself and stayed right out of the process and left it to Johnson and Castle. He knew he was going a lot more than a week or go.
Again, I dont have a problem with Dave Rennie, but Marks, Stooke and many others have said they would prefer an Australian coach.

Clean slate: Rennie appointment starts a new era for Australian rugby

Robbo, in the first statement Rennie made, he said he was interviewed by Cameron Clyne as well.
But I hope Rennie is a fantastic success and I imagine EFF does as well.

However as the lame duck outgoing chairman, Clyne is doing his best have a big say in the new coach, the new chairman and 4 new board members that he leaves us with. You only only have to look at Clyne’s statement when he announced he was not seeking re-election.

Clean slate: Rennie appointment starts a new era for Australian rugby

I really do hope that Dave Rennie turns the Wallabies into a winning team again in the next few years. I dont know much about him, but best of luck to him. I mean it.

But his first mistake was telling us he was interviewed by Cameron Clyne.

Dave Rennie inks deal to become next Wallabies coach

He was a Friend of Sydney Uni !

Cameron Clyne to step down as Rugby AU chairman next year

TWAS, There was apparently no attempted negotiation or discussion entered into on the day with Twiggy.
You seem well informed.
Can you tell us what sort of package did the Rebels offer the RA by comparison, so they were not axed?
Also can you give us a figure on how much money the RA have put into Victoria/Rebels since then?
And while you there, give us the figures for the Qld/Reds and NSW/Tahs as well?

Cameron Clyne to step down as Rugby AU chairman next year

David Vaux is on that list, but after he told the Senate inquiry about Clyne’s phone call to him prior to the meeting with Twiggy in Adelaide, I doubt that Vaux will get nominated by Clyne.
The meeting in Adelaide was between Clyne, Robinson & Eales from the ARU, and Twiggy, Stooke & Wellborn from WA. That meeting was where apparently Clyne rejected the Twiggy $50 million package out of hand, despite what he had indicated to Vaux on the phone previously.
See 2.86 and 2.87 in the Senate Inquiry.

Cameron Clyne to step down as Rugby AU chairman next year

Hopefully Clyne and his nominations committee have not already lined up another like minded friend of Sydney Uni Rugby for chairman to spring on us.. Hawker and then Clyne is enough thank you.
Odds on the new chairman will come from this list.
https://www.sydneyunirugby.com.au/files/Friends_SUFC_Members_List_Oct_2015.pdf

Cameron Clyne to step down as Rugby AU chairman next year

Hi Double Agent,
Please refer to the story by Brett Mckay on the 24/10/2019 and his answer to TDN as to who the minority wa.
Also refer to the article on Foxsports by Christy Doran.

The World Cup Wrap: South Africa and Japan share the spoils of a brilliant tournament

I would love you and Brett to do some investigative journalism about this “”lets kill NRC and start a national club comp movement””.
It stinks of the self-interest and selfish control seeking by the Sydney clubs. It does not matter to them that the rest of Australia are beginning to embrace the NRC.
As we in WA found to our detriment, it is too late to fight back , when they present you with what they have already decided. But this time, it wont just be us in WA who get shafted. Your mob in Melbourne, Bretts boys in Canberra. rugby fans in NSW Country towns, and Qld Country, are all going to robbed of the chance watching high class rugby to watch. Besides removing the development path of future Wallaby players.

The World Cup Wrap: South Africa and Japan share the spoils of a brilliant tournament

Geoff,
your colleague Brett does a great job promoting the NRC.
He flagged recently on Roar, that some Sydney clubs are trying to get the NRC killed and replaced with some “”half-pregnant”” national competition.
Foxsports have just published a kite flying article by a Christy Doran, proposing “”a competition which mirrors Europe’s highly successful Heineken Cup and is played throughout the respective club competitions.””. and “”To begin with, all of Sydney’s Shute Shield clubs and Brisbane’s Premier clubs. That alone will see 20 clubs qualify. Plus, two representative sides from Canberra, Perth and a single side from Melbourne.””
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/a…d79072bfc7b6ae
So for ever and a day, are we going to locked into that grossly skewed formula? Would Mebourne ever get a second side or Perth and Canberra a third side, to the detriment of Sydney and Brisbane numbers. I think not, remembering the way the voting at the RA and election of board members is skewed in their favour.
Queensland seem to have embraced NRC, so it is only Sydney that is dragging their feet.
I suggest we let Sydney pull out of NRC and build their Shute Shield up. Leave the rest of us, including NSW Country, to build up the NRC. We wont miss them at the bottom of the NRC ladder.
If we need money for bulding the NRC, Twiggy might help and it might be a good idea to ask his the professional team at RapidRugby run, promote and grow the NRC for the good of Australian rugby.
Your thoughts Geoff and everybody else?

The World Cup Wrap: South Africa and Japan share the spoils of a brilliant tournament

Hi Geoff,
It your old mate JSJ here, the one who is just a “”Force fan with a chip on his shoulder””.
Firstly genuine congratulations on your brilliant World Cup summary.

I am proud to see you mention the part my old school Grey played in the wonderful Kolisi story.
What statesman like comments he made after the game about hoping that the Bok team was an example to all the different South Africans of what can achieved, if they all come together and work for the same goals.
Hopefully some the power brokers and journalists in Australian rugby were listening and taking inspiration from his comments.
I also hope that you had time to watch another wonderful rugby final played in Perth while you were in Japan.

The World Cup Wrap: South Africa and Japan share the spoils of a brilliant tournament

And from east to west as well. There a lot of bridges to mend by Scott Johnson and RA.
Lets not forget the Force beat Qld Reds in both games in 2017 and then gave a Wallaby packed Waratahs a hiding in their final 2017 Super game, before the RA axed them from Super rugby, and continued to pour millions into the Melbourne Rebels. ( Oh, and the Force beat the Rebels in 2017 as well)
Lets not forget the Western Force, without a single Wallaby, dominated the NRC this year and thrashed the Canberrra Vikings 41-3 in the final.

Rassie’s Boks rise to the occasion

Rugby in Australia is heading west.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=765209573952257

Where is rugby heading in Australia and NZ?