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Sheikh, recently posted elsewhere on Roar his back of an envelop calculation , that the Force had 750 Super rugby caps in their squad at the time. Now if you add 130 for Pek and 66 for Frisby, then Sheikh’s envelop should read 916 Super caps. Thats probably more than the current Tahs and Reds I am guesing.
It also ignores the “caps” many of the players have had playing high-level rugby overseas.
So the Force dont lack experience or depth compared to the other 4 Super teams.
There are also a bunch of exciting young players that the Force have developed in GRR and NRC in the past 2 years.

Western Force sign two more former Wallabies for Super Rugby AU

Hey Sheikh, you will need to update the back of that envelope now, with 130 Super caps for Pek and 66 for Frisby

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

Placid is out for the season with a leg injury

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

Sheikh, A number of those Force players have of lots of recent top level caps overseas as well, besides just counting their old Super caps.

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

Hi Ex,
I think Geoff Parkes is onto your strategy of talking the Force chances down and every other team up. Trying lull them into over confident mode no doubt.

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

So only Super 50 caps in it regarding the Force, a team that has not played Super rugby for 3 years versus the Brumbies who are the faourites.
I like your envelope.

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

Nice write-up Brett. It would be interesting to count how many Super caps there are in a likely Force team of say: (this team is one selected by a Force fan called GIGS20, who was apologetic about not finding a spot in his team for Marcel Brache, who also has a bunch of Super and World Cup caps.)
1 Greg Holmes
2 Heath Tessmann
3 Kieran Longbottom
4 Johan Bardoul
5 Jeremy Thrush
6 Henry Stowers
7 Tevin Ferris
8 Brynard Stander
9 Ian Prior (c)
10 Jono Lance
11 Pama Fou
12 Henry Taefu
13 Kyle Godwin
14 Brad Lacey
15 Jack McGregor
16 Chris Heiberg
17 Andrew Ready
18 Tom Sheminant
19 Kane Koteka
20 Fergus Lee-Warner
21 Jacob Abel
22 Nick Jooste
23 Byron Ralston
Plenty of Super rugby experience in that team, if that is how you want to measure it, but I am right with GIGS20 in not discounting some of the talented young new players developed in GRR and NRC by the Force.

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

You are spot on Jez. More running, and less lineouts, because the ball does not kicked straight into touch on the full from a deep halfway restart kickoff for example.

What we know ahead of Super Rugby AU Round 1

Who knows? Some nice warm sunny spring weather in September (and mid-afternoon games in Perth) may favour your Reds and my Force, over say the Brumbies and the Rebels in the finals.
Bring it on anyway.

The Wrap: The patience of rugby players and fans is about to be rewarded

Rob,
I am quitely confident the Force will be very competitive. The Force have said they are planning to play a fast moving game, as they have played and trained for in the past 2-3 years. For me, last year the Force looked much fitter than than the Vikings (loaded with Brumbies) and ran all over them in the final 10-15 minutes.
The other interesting thing, is the Force have a bye in the first round and then 3 away games while living in a hub in the Hunter Valley. But then they play a bunch of games in Perth in front of their loyal Sea of Blue fans in probably unrestricted numbers. So we could see the Force coming on strong in the latter part of the season.

The Wrap: The patience of rugby players and fans is about to be rewarded

$25K PA for say 12 meetings is $2,000 plus expenses per meeting.

Enever moves to Premiership rugby

My biggest gripe watching a light weight Hooper playing, is that he stops pushing in defensive scrums much too early and has his head up waiting to break away. The opposition know that and keep the ball at their 8th mans feet and demolish the Wallabies scrums and earn a penalty.
The contrast with say Pocock in scrums was chalk and cheese.
Sure Hooper is quick and runs around a lot. But when the Wallabies are playing against a side with a strong pack, who use the their scrum as a weapon, then Hooper should not be in the starting 15. Perhaps bring him on at the 60 minute mark when the game has opened up and his speed may help to link with the backs when they make a break.

Dave Rennie lays it all out ahead of Wallabies start date

I do think Twiggy falls into your last paragraph

European clubs throw spanner in global rugby talks, because of course they have

Placid is out for the season with a leg injury. Rumours abound about Curtis Rona signing as well. He and his wife are from Perth and he left NRL to join the Force in 2017, so that they could be near their families in Perth.

Former Wallabies sign with Western Force

To be honest, I have not watched the Tahs this year at all this year. You would think that the state which claims to be “heartland” of rugby in Australia and trumpets that they produce the majority of Wallabies, would be confident of smashing the Western Force.

Rugby Australia locks in Super Rugby AU draw

You are not very confident then? As 13 or 14 points is hardly a smashing. A smashing is 40-11.

Rugby Australia locks in Super Rugby AU draw

If COVID19 is under control outside of Australia, in the next 6-9 months and international travel resumes then SANZAAR will likely resume their normal Super Rugby and will say to the Force “bye-bye, thanks for helping out in 2020”.
So then Force and Twiggy go back to building their GRR with the South China Tigers and others.
If Covid19 is still rampant in 2021 and 2022, then SC Tigers will almost certainly not be paying in either GRR or Super unfortunetly.

My fearless predictions for rugby in 2022 and beyond

Joe, Good work.

Are you assuming GRR and Twiggy will just go away? The only possibility of that happening in my mind is if Covid19 hangs around for a few years and international travel in and out of Australia and NZ is still blocked in 2021 and 2022. But then all international rugby on your calander will also he impacted.

My fearless predictions for rugby in 2022 and beyond

Kevin, From your last paragraph, are you assuming GRR and Twiggy will just go away?

My fearless predictions for rugby in 2022 and beyond

The All Blacks have never beaten the Wallabies in Perth

My fearless predictions for rugby in 2022 and beyond

Piru, please dont give away our game plan!

What will your team aim to achieve in Super Rugby AU?

Well then you have 2 more Tahs on Rennie’s list than the Force do. So that the Force are the underdog.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Kyle Godwin would be welcome back next year maybe, but surely not Will Skelton, We already have 5 second rowers, including a former All Black.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Come on Jeznez, stop trying to gain the underdog status for your Tahs. Surely your Wallaby laden millionaires, should be expected to wallop the Force?

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Hi Brett,
My understanding is that some or even most of those calling the Force are Australians. Whether they are overseas or local based players,I dont know.
Tim Sampson, the coach, says he will stick to the loyal squad of 33 or 34 they have at the moment, as well as top up from the Emerging Force.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip