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From what I have read it failed to get support from the ARL commission, I went to the read the article again but is behind a pay wall now. I definitely had this in mind when suggesting NRL players play for Australia A. Also that it would add some interest to Australia A vs Wallabies game it one were to happen.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

Strange comment, I am guessing that you think that Super Rugby is poor be as the Broncos were wooden spooners yeah? But if everyone in super Rugby was last on the ladder then no one was last, would make just as much sense to say play the Panthers as they’ve played like a Super Rugby Club all season. Except that it wouldn’t make sense as Super Rugby is provincial and TRC is an international tournament so you would a stronger than super Rugby standard team to be competitive. I hope that cleared things up for you, unless as I said the only reason you posted was to say that you don’t like super Rugby, then the real question is why post at all, but that is one for you to internalize I suppose.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

It seems like the year to give it a go.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

Agree, could try to get a few NRL players not involved in Origin to add a bit of interest.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

Cheers

Force add Pumas duo for 2021 Super Rugby season

An article I read about SR Aotearoa referred to a team called the South China Lions, which I figured was just a typing error. Has there been talk of a merger between the Tigers and Lions or was this just a typo?

Force add Pumas duo for 2021 Super Rugby season

Hi BB thanks for commenting, Eddie Jones is certainly entitled to his opinion he will tell you so himself, but those words do not seem to fit with the rugby I have been watching which is Super Rugby Aotearoa, SRAU and Mitre 10 cup.

I appreciate that viewership has gone down but only comparing Australian viewership to NRL is comparing a fraction of a competition to the entire competition. If viewership in Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa and Japan are also factored in the number does not look so dramatic. What I have seen of global rugby viewing, is that the last world cup was the most watched world cup in history so the game itself is in good shape.

The problem is not so much with the sport, but with Australia’s relationship with the sport. I feel that the problem in Australia is that the public is essentially forced to look at Super Rugby as a default national competition. It should be an extension of an existing national rugby scene that conditions the best players for international duty and creates quality rugby in all nations. As I said in the article Super 12 actually had this as Australia promoted strong states each with their own strong state competitions. The answer for Australia is obvious, and requires hard work and time to execute. New states are essential for growth but they should be built from the ground up over time, however they currently have super rugby AU teams so these teams need to be looked after while these states are being built from the ground up.

Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be suggesting that Australia should leave super rugby to focus on a national competition with altered laws. I am not saying that this would not work commercially, I would watch it. If that happened however Australian players would miss out on a lot of the experience and conditioning that previous wallabies had. As the title suggests this is about hope the hope that SANZAAR nations can work together from 2022. This could well work out to be an exercise in futility as nations may well be forced to fend for themselves in terms of national development and competition. No matter what happens I believe that all nations will find a way to remain strong but there will be some losses in terms of player development if super rugby is lost, it is up to individual nations of SANZAAR how much they are willing to lose and if it is worth it.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 1

Thank you busted fullback, that is very kind of you to say. However I don’t think that it was guts, more like a gutful of SANZAARs in fighting that prompted this article.

I also like Ray L’s proposed format and I hope that showed in my response. As a Kiwi in Australia I like that I would get to see every NZ team live.

With this article I wanted to show how cooperation and communication could result in more parties getting what they want and retaining the benefits of Super Rugby.

However I am getting flashbacks to my single days of crying into a pint and my friends telling me to let her go and move on.

If we have to move on then I agree that an Asia Pacific future looks like the brightest future and I have some notes on how I would go about planning that, but that sounds like a future article to me.

I also think that discussion creates results, and the more discussion the better the results. A lot of big companies would pay for market research that we on the roar offer for free.

Thanks once again for taking the time to read my article and comment, cheers.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Yeah I definitely agree, I think that I missed Andy’s point completely. I am not the brightest crayon in the box sometimes. His point was teams would qualify and bulk up their squads in the off season. However you are correct in that a simple fix would be to have contracts start and end in July. Cheers.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

As I said to you above most of the chatter that I have been involved in either online, at work or in pubs id that no one likes the Bombers, and I work with people from all around south east QLD. And a new club needs to be able to stand on it’s own two feet.
The Bombers don’t have a high performance centre, a club for the community to be a part of, a juniors program or even a regular training pitch, they are not ready. The Dolphins can go next year. All the Bombers have is an AFL logo and money, which the Dolphins have plenty of as well. The Bombers will need a lot of that money simply to create what the Dolphins already have, if they don’t go broke in the process. In my experience the average fan doesn’t want them they will not stop supporting which ever current team they have to get behind them.
I trust that you have great contacts in the rugby league community but attracting fans from outside of that community is a different matter. As I said I know a lot of passionate diverse fans through my work which takes me all over Brisbane and the southern part of the state and if they are after a second Brisbane team they want someone to cheer for not a simple alternative. The Dolphins have a built in fan base that will expand, they are respected and active in rural areas and look to be working with the sunshine coast and there is even talks of working with clubs in the south of Brisbane. As I said before many fans outside of the rugby league inner circle are not concerned with QRL to your average punter a South QLD Dolphins team in Lang park would just be a Brisbane team that trains in Redcliffe. And to your more than average punter they will be the club of Big Artie, with a history of success built on hard work and community support.
I am biased to success and the Dolphins have been successful in everything that they have done. They were a team that was expected to be nothing more than a Sandgate suburban club, yet has risen to the heights of the BRL/ QRL and say that they will continue to rise. I believe them, based on a track record of success. They have already said that they will not be the Redcliffe Dolphins but a new club that embraces Brisbane and it’s surrounds as well as the Dolphin brand and history, the Redcliffe Dolphins will play QRL. They will attract more fans than some flashy alternative to the Broncos.
History, infrastructure, stability, community, future, a brand that resonates outside of the peninsula and a track record of success is what the Dolphins offer and if that is not enough then I don’t know what is. I know you have a lot of knowledge and experience in the Brisbane RL scene you would know that the Dolphins achieve what they do by putting in the work and they will put in the work to create a team for Brisbane as well as Redcliffe and the Sunshine Coast. We probably won’t agree but I have enjoyed the banter, I appreciate people who respect the history of the game and not just repeat what Phil Gould says. Lets hope for a good future for Rugby League in south east QLD whatever form that takes, as you said, just wait and see. Cheers.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

My experience with clubs in Sydney is that anyone can get screwed if you lower your standards enough, FACT. It’s important not to lose your sense of humour.

Clearly we disagree on multiple areas and that’s ok, you believe that a made up team is the way to go, I believe a Dolphins team, call them south QLD if it helps, playing out of Lang park has the best resources to be a competitive Brisbane team. If there is a better option I would like to know about it, on this topic there is a lot of disagreement but the one standard comment is that no one wants the Bombers and passion before fashion. You seem to be a passionate QLD rugby league fan I am sure that on other topics we would agree, just not this one.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

No were they good? Of course I watched them I mentioned them in the article as well as the importance of having the best vs best in regular competition. Feel free to read part 2 where I show how I would go about achieving both of those goals. Beware though as I said in another comment the competition that I describe is a bit of a platypus, difficult to describe but makes sense if seen. Otherwise Haere ra enjoy your weekend.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 1

Next year’s already sorted and time zones have always been a problem it’s not recent, it is the price paid for taking on tough competition on their own turf. It is this conditioning that I felt was worth retaining. However your proposal is good for a trans Tasman competition. I was not so keen to throw away matches against the teams that took part in the last 3 finals. However if the South Africans stay in Europe and and the Jaguares move to SLAR then that is a worth while format to start from. Although the All Blacks will probably be rested for a third of it. Perhaps a super 12 with the Drua and a PI team out of Auckland every one plays once. Thanks for the format though it is neat and I think would be well received. I got a feeling the one from my article is a bit like a platypus difficult to describe but makes sense if seen. Cheers

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers as long as the talk sticks to rugby and fan engagement I’m happy, if goes too far into the board room or politics then I might have to use my stern voice.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

I get your concern, you concerned that each country will only have two strong teams like Glasgow Rangers and Celtic in Scottish soccer. That wouldn’t be the case here as no team is really that much wealthier than another and most of the money comes from playing test rugby. Players in super Rugby don’t really move because a team offers more money, if they move it is usually to get more opportunities to play or personal reasons like being close to family. And if you are worried about one team dominating the comp, sorry to tell you that is already happening

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

That’s definitely a good way of finding an overall champion. I guess I wanted to create a format that kept potential test players busy and conditioned to everything that comes along with travel no matter what team they played for as well as getting the most fan engagement throughout the season. I like the idea of having national champions before the start of test season. The whole two articles show that I wanted to recreate the best bits of all forms of super rugby. I understand that it seems strange not to have a single champion at the end of the season but I think that it is working well this time out of necessity. Cheers thanks for the comment.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers mzilikazi, the first Bledisloe is looking really interesting. I think that will be fast, looking at the back rows and even the some of the fronts. I would normally say that the AB have the edge in backline and halves. However if the Wallabies go with white and loloseo in the halves the will play some real confidence. Whitelock and Tuipolotu will be a strong combination of both fit but the Brumbies and reds have had strong set piece so it should be close and quick. I am really looking forward to it but I think that NZ will take the first test.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

The Blues front row really like the Margaret River wineries. I don’t know if it is the money or if NZ is in the super rugby dog house still after the report and the Force are the only Aussie team talking to them, or neither of the above. My opinion is no matter what happens in 2021 NZ and Australia will be able to work together in a way that benifits both of them.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Each year each team plays in two quick competitions. The first an international the next a domestic. The domestic placings determine which international competition the team plays in the following year. So if a team buys the best players one year they won’t be able to do that again the following year and keep the roster they have. I hope that made some sense.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Thanks for the star. I would like to know how having national competitions that decide which division a team plays in the following year is lacking in tribalism or confusing. Always happy to talk super rugby, cheers.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

That could work it would greatly reduce travel and would be great rugby however for me it would lose the advantages on field of regular game time with top opposition in their homeland. I have thought about this as an option, I am a nerd that way. The main drawbacks for me were that this would remove Argentina, unless they are playing for teams in Australia and Japan and would be overshadowed by the Rugby championship as this is essentially one provincial team from each of the countries with a Japanese team replacing the Jaguares. Scheduling would be a concern, but not undoable. the ideal time for this would be February – March the end of the Japanese season and the start of the Southern season but this is right in the middle of the European season so double booking would present a problem for South African teams. Just a quick look at the 2018 pro season, assuming that this is a regular season in length. the PRO final was the 25th of may so a quick comp could happen in June before the July test season depending on how it was structured, or just after the test season as PRO kicks off at the end of August beginning of September, traditionally the same time that the Rugby Championship starts. All that being said I would watch it and based on nothing more than that it could make money, so I am interested in how you would structure this champions league, Cheers

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers JD, My thinking that before COVID all nations had agreed to super 14 so there was either a want to participate or at least a recognition of the value of international participation. You are right in that no one will know what happens after next year maybe super rugby is gone maybe they all come back. In the mean time all we can do as fans is support the rugby we get and discuss what opportunities there could be. and I think that the opportunities for something that makes better use of the talent and structures available are their for those who want to participate.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers, thanks for that.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 1

Absolutely agree, providing those areas with facilities and training is the way to grow the game into being the football code for all of South Africa. Big hill to climb though.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

Thank you very much for your kind words, I should also thank the editors for making my article a lot easier to read. As the article states this is really a hope piece that next year is a one off and that 2022 could force a renovation of how super rugby works. My next piece provides a framework that deals with travel and the issues I brought up here. The reality however, could be saying goodbye to great southern rivals which would be a sad end of an era. For what it is worth I hope to see the Jaguares remain in super rugby from 2022 and beyond as the have provided so much entertainment.

I hadn’t thought much about the environmental impacts of air travel, but that would definitely be a factor to consider. All competitions have to be sustainable both financially and environmentally and any potential comp needs to look scientifically into the viability of their practices. I am really looking forward to some rugby normalcy to resume, which looks like 2022 whatever form that may take.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 1