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Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Multiple publications have reported that the 2022 Super Rugby season could feature two Pacific Island teams: Moana Pacifika, based in Auckland, and a Fijian side participating in what would be a new Pacific Super 12.

Yeah I watched it, It definitely had that tense big match feel to it with some bright spots.
It was a shame to see the wallabies lose after their run of form, the Scots have been a bit of a bogey team over the last few years. I am keen to see how the Wallabies bounce back against the old foe.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

Peter, Peter, Peter Sunday is screen free in my household. So I Just read your comment this morning and it was very amusing. You had me going for a minute, I actually thought that you were this ridiculous and your new comment is the icing on the cake, ie relating your frustration to my late posting despite not responding to my comment for 12 hours, just magic. I am sure that you will have a lot of fun with this anti social social media comedic character, and I look forward to your future posts.
I quite enjoyed that you wrote a particularly crazy and reaching post about authoritarianism only to end it by telling me that I absolutely cannot rubbish your character’s perspective, I will rubbish what I like thank you I thought this was a free country, ok I will leave the comedy to you.
Your ability to create a character that takes simple statements and either misquotes them or completely creates new narratives based on what your character wants to say despite having nothing to do with the origional comment is brilliant.
No where did I say that elite sports is separate from social issues or politics, I simply said that the Wallabies should choose the best players and that grass roots should be improved to expand that base. You took that, ignored it at somehow used this as a base to turn me into some sort of well-meaning naive. Just a side note If I were you I wouldn’t use a recent examples of socio-political elements in sports, I would go for a deeper cut. Considering you had the example of Ali right there, this was a great man actually targeted by the US government because of his faith and use of free speech. He was only drafted after publicly converting to Islam and when he refused the draft on ideoligical grounds they actually tried to take his freedom from him. This would far better prove your political and Authoritarian arguments. However it would also show that punishments and political interference has actually decreased rather than increased so I will leave that with you to use how you see fit in the future.
I also enjoyed the attention to detail in character in the way you often use the world political, an adjective used to describe government policies and their impacts, when you actually meant social. Chef’s kiss to that.
Speaking of Government initiatives you bring up one of my simple comments that racial quotas are wrong, which completely aligns with my previous arguments of nations should just select the best talent and create lots of it. You correctly aligned the use of quotas with authoritarian practices, but your character’s support or derision for quotas is left somewhat ambiguous with the ‘who needs quotas’ line. Your character makes allusions to their socio political beliefs without outright stating them, just a brilliant send up of a spineless antagonistic character.
Perfect to form was your use of misquoting, my article clearly said the perception of elite private school types has alienated the Wallabies from the general public. Your character clearly agrees with the sentiment that this perception is harmful but your character would never agree with me so some tension must be manufactured. So your character makes it look like I am calling Wallabies public school types despite this clearly not being the case, as I genuinely want to remove this perception.
Possibly my favorite part of the bit was when your character asked me a question, answered it for me, then made a moral argument against that answer. Proving that you are brilliant in winning an argument against yourself, and present an opinion that nobody in anyway was questioning in the first place, that’ll show the snow flakes not even Peter can mess with Peter. And FYI I absolutely would not have chosen KB his is a great Wallaby story.
You then doubled down on this with your second post, where you had ample amount of time to read my origional comment, chose not, and highlighted your misquote. So no, I will not be providing any examples; as I said this is a perception that I do not wish to promote.
In your second post you then called the national team the Australian Rugby squad, a term that I never used and then asked if this or the Wallabies is the correct term. Which is amazing considering your origional post was about the dangers of Authoritarianism, you now want me to tell your character what to say. Brilliant way to manufacture tension for more comedy no doubt. Call them what you like, support or don’t support them if you like it’s a free country, which is why I am free to call out rubbish like people actually believing that the Wallabies are less popular because of census results. Since DR has taken the reigns the general attitude amongst my family members, fans at work and my local have been positive. If your character’s experience has been different, well that’s their problem.
I believe I have comprehended your comments in the funny tongue and cheek manner in which you have presented them. If however I am wrong and you are deadly serious and offended by anything that I have said then feel free to remain offended or don’t I would never tell another person how to feel. Cheers

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

I tried to let your comments go, but they’re rubbish and when I see rubbish I throw it in the bin.
You may have lost interest in the Wallabies but that’s you, in my experience interest in the national team has grown owing to good results.
I completely disagree with you in regards to teams having to reflect the greater population as you so carefully phrased it. That’s what the South African government wants to do to the Boks, it is wrong for them it is wrong for us. The answer is simple play the best team. Improve grass roots to get the best team.
If anything has alienated the Wallabies from the greater population it has been the perception of rugby union being a game for elitist private school types. If interest in the national team is to grow the pathways need to be improved for all and let the cream rise to the top organically, this will improve results and interest.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

Cheers Mick, sorry for the late reply.
I was just pointing out the Authors perspective of NSW cup being purgatory despite being the 3rd or 4th most elite rugby league competition in the world. And I say that with sincerity as I am a QRL fan myself.
I remember the Super League war well, in fact it was about this time I started following the state league and you are correct there is a lot to the northern eagles story.
I completely understand what it must feel like for Bears fans to believe that their team should be competing in the top comp but not being able to accomplish this.
As a rugby league fan I hope that the bidding for the 18th team is as competitive as at was for the 17th and that the Bears as well as all other bids put their best foot forward.

Bring back the Bears: A million reasons why they're needed right here and not PNG

But the article said that they were in purgatory, or is that just the new sponsor for 2022?
I heard that pre-lock-down teams like the Bears and Newtown were getting a bit of a cult following in Sydney. Great news for the game if true.

Bring back the Bears: A million reasons why they're needed right here and not PNG

Yeah if it were to split it should be even. One conference could be the ARL with The 4 western Sydney teams (Panthers, Eels, Bulldogs, Tigers) and Manly, Newcastle, Canberra, Storm and a new club. The other could be the North Eastern Rugby League NERL With the 4 QLD teams (Broncos, Cowboys, Titans and Dolphins) as well as the 4 east Sydney teams (Dragons, Sharks, Roosters and Souths) plus the Warriors. Just a thought. or split it into Super League vs ARL. However I don’t see the need for conferences just yet though.

Bring back the Bears: A million reasons why they're needed right here and not PNG

You think that’s bad, you should see what the opposition did to him during ruck and maul time. They were built tough back then.

Peter Fitzsimons blows up at Dolphins CEO to his face over Redcliffe name change

He wasn’t wearing it, probably why he is making sense.

Peter Fitzsimons blows up at Dolphins CEO to his face over Redcliffe name change

My heart goes out to the Kefu family no one should have to experience that. But good on them for seeking professional help and letting the world know it. Hopefully others suffering will follow their brave example, too many suffer in silence.

'There was blood everywhere, it was horrific': Toutai Kefu relives home machete attack

Good Question, the demo would be mostly males around 40-65+, I am pretty sure that they spend a lot on RL merchandice and membership as well as subscriptions. Also people who consider themselves rugby league historians but I am no marketing guru.
People have long memories, I remember the Bears as the club of Billy Moore and Gary Larson 2 of the legends from the 1995 QLD state of origin team. I am sure memories like those would influence fans who want to support a new team.
But to answer your question is that alone a demo to spend millions on, probably not them alone. They would have to prove themselves to a younger family market, probably in a different region, to be competitive. My question is are they any less likely than the Pirates, Orcas, Jets or Firehawks to capture that support?
My initial thought is that the QLD teams have a head start as they are battle hardened to the bid process and have had more time to appeal to their supporter base. Will be interesting to see how it all goes down and what the NRL wants.

Heritage vs Expansion: Full time for the Bears or one final chance?

Have to respectfully disagree with you a bit, nostalgia is popular. Bands touring for the first time in years get massive crowds. There are a lot of people excited about the new Spiderman movie because of an image of the old Doc-Oc, or Michael Keaton as Batman in the Flash movie. Sport is a form of entertainment there is no reason why fans wouldn’t react favourably to the return of an older club.
In this specific case though I think that their location works against them, people view the Central Coast as Sydney and Sydney as so many teams. Perhaps if they could be based in NZ or another state, ie relocating them, they could be successful. My personal opinion is the Bears brand and colours are strong.

Heritage vs Expansion: Full time for the Bears or one final chance?

They’re still Auckland to me dammit

What's in a name like the Dolphins?

“Dolphins for you we shout a loud Hoorah” by Jon Williams set to the tune of click go the sheers, although probably should play a number of Saturday night games in honour of the Bee Gees.

What's in a name like the Dolphins?

My guess is that convention will win. They may be officially the Dolphins but the fans will call them Redcliffe the commentators will slip up and call them Redcliffe and eventually the will probably be Redcliffe.
Honestly as a fan of this team that has been waiting for over a decade for their entrance to the NRL, this name thing doesn’t bother me in the slightest, we’ve been this patient what’s a few more years.

What's in a name like the Dolphins?

I think that they will probably have 3 QLD cup feeder teams. Obviously Redcliffe will be one, I had heard the Capras are another.

Pure speculation for the 3rd team but I could see either the Melbourne Storm or the Broncos dropping a team to the Dolphins and picking up Ipswich and really doing some good work with the talent out west and gaining a presence in that region.

NRL expansion history shows Redcliffe face hard path to success

I hear that all 3 bids were in talks with the Capras. I am sure that I saw an article somewhere stating that the Dolphins were in talks with them. The only one I can find is CQ today don’t know how reputable it is.

NRL expansion history shows Redcliffe face hard path to success

Plenty of good sushi places on the GC, Eel would be welcome.

Dolphins in, Redcliffe out and Wayne Bennett to coach

Cheers, yes I have just heard (checking phone while working) exciting times ahead. Bring on the fight of the fins! have a good one.

Redcliffe Dolphins set to be named NRL's newest club

Cheers Rob9, well said. I respect your opinion in expansion and have enjoyed reading your posts even though your views differ from my own. If nothing else this public bidding process has shown that there are a lot of passionate RL people with a range of different views on the topic and it is great to see. It has also forced the bids to address their limitations prior to getting in to the NRL.

Pretty excited to see who does finally get announced, heard on the radio that V’landys will make an announcement today. Cheers

Redcliffe Dolphins set to be named NRL's newest club

Yes it is a step down the Sydney path, however the Sydney path has not always led to ruin. There are many teams in Sydney, both on the fringes and in the inner city, that flourish and yes there are teams that have fallen. A team that operates well and serves the community will be popular. If the new team can follow the Panthers model they will be fine.
I am not counting the Dolphins inclusion as gospel until an announcement has been made, but if it is them they have the resources to excel in the area the Panthers did. They also have a great brand and will market themselves well outside of their traditional region.
I understand and appreciate your opinion on the importance of appealing to the greatest number of fans, any new team will bring a mix of desire and derision. I didn’t read all 200 pages of the Gemba report but one of the areas they pointed out was important for success was having a large number of primary fans vs casual fans. Fans who would make the new team their only team, buy memberships and merch as apposed to fair weather fans. I think that the NRL is of the opinion that these fans are more likely to exist in these LGAs. I am not saying that the NRL is right I just think that the words and actions of the bids has shown what the NRL values.
The NRL has played it safe. The articles that summarised the TV money a 17th team brings combined with the Dolphins stable financial position, amongst other positives attributes, makes me think that this is the first step toward an 18 team competition and they wanted to make a safe step before making a bolder one, possibly with one of the other Brisbane bids. Cheers

Redcliffe Dolphins set to be named NRL's newest club

It is awesome that the flame still burns for Bears supporters. The author is correct about all of the positive arguments for the Bears readmission. The only thing standing in their way is that there are 9 Sydney teams already as well as Newcastle which are all in the Bears region. And non NSW NRL fans may riot.

Is there a place for the Bears I think that there is, it just isn’t in NSW in the near future. Also the Bears may have shown their hand too early when they were willing to move to the Gold Coast. Because if they are willing to move to the QLD then why not WA or NZ? If the Bears want to be admitted as the 18th team they may have to consider joining an out of state bid willing to adopt their name. They would have a lot to offer in the way of existing supporters who will go to games when the team plays in Sydney or Newcastle, a strong brand, history and junior talent that will help build the new team in a new region.

Also it doesn’t hurt that a red and black team in either Perth or Christchurch doesn’t look out of place, better name than Pirates IMO.

The NRL is expanding. Is there a place for the Bears?

Great news if it goes ahead, I have been following expansion news for about a decade now if not longer. As all the pieces have fallen into place the Dolphins have indeed emerged as the best bid. They have quietly built there assets and business while other bids scoffed at the chances of a northern qrl/brl team, but they ignored them and stuck to their plan.

I’m not celebrating just yet but it will be great to have a strong brand in the greater Brisbane region to support. I don’t think that the job is finished just yet though, at some point in the future all corners of SEQ need to be represented, it is just a matter of timing.

Redcliffe Dolphins set to be named NRL's newest club

I don’t think that the Dolphins bid, if officially successful, will hinder western corridor expansion. I think that the TV deal is going to put the NRL in a stronger financial position that will allow them to take more risks in the future. I also think that time will be beneficial to the western teams if they are in it for the long haul. Jets will have time to sort out finances and the Firehawks can actually grow their identity as a western corridor team and in general.

Once again that is if this Dolphins bid is successful not celebrating anything early, however I would like to see a future where all corners of SEQ are represented in the NRL, Cheers.

Redcliffe Dolphins set to be named NRL's newest club

G’day Rob9, I agree that the Dolphins are the safest bet and will do well in the NRL. Given that 2 of the 3 bids are greater LGAs and the Firehawks have been trying to forge a western identity in the last few weeks I think it is safe to assume that the NRL was never strictly looking at a Brisbane team as far as council lines are concerned. It seems to me that the NRL is actively looking for teams to represent those northern and western regions.

Redcliffe Dolphins set to be named NRL's newest club

A few thoughts on this, firstly ‘scrapping’ is the wrong term. The Giteau law allows os players, prior to the Giteau law no os players could represent Australia. So scrapping it would mean a return to no OS Wallabies. No

Secondly in a normal non covid affected year many os would choose not to play the majority of Australian tests. A normal top 14 calander year only has a July off season. I am sure that a lot of French based players would choose to stay home and enjoy the summer in the south of France.

Japan could be a game changer, they have a short season that breaks for test windows. If RA relax eligibility laws they should really encourage the Japanese Top League as the destination.

'There's so many guys OS who could play for Australia': Kellaway says 'scrap Giteau Law'

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