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Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Multiple publications have reported that the 2022 Super Rugby season could feature two Pacific Island teams: Moana Pacifika, based in Auckland, and a Fijian side participating in what would be a new Pacific Super 12.

No arguments here, there are multiple reasons why super Rugby is in trouble and efforts to fix it get blocked. I wrote 2 articles and still didn’t cover it properly. Of the many problems that exist, one of them is that Super Rugby doesn’t fit as a long running quasi national competition. It is best served as a short elite competition testing current and potential international talent against the best of the best. Using super Rugby as a national competition is like using a wrench when you need a hammer. But this is a problem for each country to solve on its own as they should know what is best for their people.

Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Cheers, no harm all in good fun. That’s a good point, I don’t know how expat kiwis would react if Australia went alone. Personally I would still follow the Reds, I adopted them as a second side early on and enjoyed supporting them in SRAU, mostly to get away from the Chiefs. I don’t know if other expats would do the same, I would hope so.
This is a really important time for Australian rugby, they really need to take an honest appraisal of the sports landscape that they are in. Their goals need to be realistic, lean on their strengths and limit or avoid areas of weakness. Going into this further would probably require another article but the sport does have some real strengths and should absolutely secure its place as a major code in this country. I think that free to air coverage is a good start.

Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Absolutely, more has to be done to provide tier 2 nations the opportunity to be able take control of their own futures. Pacific Islands Players will always go to Europe but there should be a viable alternative in the Pacific. And strengthening these nations ends up creating a better global scene for all rugby fans.

Pacific Super 12 and beyond

I really like the idea of variety within the 4 yearly window between world cups. This plan would result in regular matches between top nations on even years as well as including the second tier and has the potential to get enough global attention that sponsors would be looking to get on board thus potentially making up for lost revenue hosting Rugby Championship matches.

I am guessing that all teams would be hosted in one country, this could give opportunities to countries that will not likely get the opportunity to host a world cup to host the IPC. This could have been a difficult concept to get national unions on board with prior to lockdown, but now it seems that governing bodies are more willing to work together for a common goal.

Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Cheers, I only checked wikipedia for the dates of the Top League. I was under the impression that the 2018-19 season was altered because of the world cup, the 2017-18 season ran from August to January. If the change is to be permanent then that would put a real wrench in the works.

I like the idea of bringing Japan and the Pacific Islanders into the rugby Championship in someway, which would be the only way that this could happen with the World League rejected. However finding a format that all SANZAAR partners would agree on would be tough, however not impossible as we have seen this year.

I agree that an Asia Pacific club competition would also be a good option, and would most likely make up for losing South Africa and the Jaguares.

Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Love your enthusiasm and belief, however as a Chiefs fan who now lives in Australia I can’t help but feeling a little hurt. I looked up their last match in Melbourne but didn’t get an official attendance, the score line was good reading though. What I did find when the information was available was that NZ teams tend draw the larger crowds in Melbourne than Australian ones, so I don’t know if I would lose those matches easily. I have heard the opinion that Australian engagement in rugby would be higher with an all Australian domestic competition a few times. Being that this is a common opinion it is an idea that is definitely worth exploring.

I quite like your idea of a national competition that involves well known Hospitals Cup and Shute Shield teams along side super rugby teams. They would have to be required to still field reserve grade teams in the state competition though, so that these competitions don’t drop to about 5 or 6 teams. These teams have strong followings that could translate well into a larger competition.

I origionally put a few scenarios into this article that had Japan and the pacific play in the Rugby Championship. One had the championship split into two competitions a Tri Nations with Argentina, South Africa and New Zealand and a 5 team Pacific Nations Cup with Japan, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji and Australia. The Tri-Nations teams play each other twice and the Pacific nations play each other once, all teams playing four matches. Upon completion the two champions would play for the Rugby Championship at a pre-determined venue, similar to the super bowl. This would result in a World cup final calibre match every year at the expense of regular game time between Australia, South Africa and Argentina. I felt that losing those matches was too much but you might disagree.

Pacific Super 12 and beyond

Thanks JD, I absolutely agree. The SH should embrace all aspects of rugby, an unbreakable wall of defenders is just as much a part of the game as a coast to coast try. You also are correct that it is a positive for the younger players to experience this.
I can’t wait to see what happens with the Pacific Island teams and am looking forward to the Moana Pasifika vs Māori All Black team this weekend, cheers.

What's old is new again

Thanks for the reply ozinsa, no need to share my optimism I am always happy to talk with people who respectfully disagree with me. I concede that I may have overstated how good all of the rugby was. There have been bland spots but the high spots have been great, not just the Tri-Nations but the Bledisloe, SR Aotearoa as well as SRAU.

I guess what has struck me this year has been how positivity and grit has seen Super Rugby and the Tri-Nations take place despite the many hurdles put in place. For that reason I am sure that this current controversey threatening to take over rugby will not have the legs to stop this momentum. Although I do wish I had written this a week earlier. As long as there are good people like yourself who are reading and talking about rugby instead of social media then there is every reason to be positive.

As for entertainment on the field that can bring back fans; I am really looking forward to the Fijian and Pacific Island teams participating. Their impressive speed, strength and flair light up the pitch almost as mush as their passion does. Thank you for pointing out that there has been bad rugby, but continue to enjoy the good rugby, cheers.

What's old is new again

I will definitely be watching, the decisions of a few players years ago, and the governing body should not affect my enjoyment of the match and does not reflect the 23 players proudly wearing their nations Jersey on the night. I am sure in time that atonements will be made, but in the meantime there’s a game of rugby to be enjoyed.

Matera stood down over social media posts

Cheers JN, I do understand where you are coming from as well, it is frustrating but the way I see it Monday is made for being angry. Today celebrate history.

Pumas beat All Blacks for the first time

Agree to disagree JN, the only thing that should be in the spotlight is Argentina defeating the All Blacks for the first time ever. And doing so on foreign soil having spent months away from family and friends while a pandemic continues to plague their homeland. Winning despite training under trying conditions and only having minimal Gametime against b teams.

It looks like the only country they haven’t beat is Zimbabwe (a 0 and 1 record). I think that needs to be lined up as soon as possible.

Pumas beat All Blacks for the first time

Only just managed to watch the game now, heart broken for the AB but absolutely inspiring rugby from Argentina. A bit disheartening to hear negative comments on this site about RSA such talk only cheapens what has happened. All the focus deserves to be on Argentina, I am sure that everyone around the world is proud of their historic achievement. Victory in spite of all the challenges that they have faced to get here is inspiring. Don’t stop now go for 4-0.

Pumas beat All Blacks for the first time

I thought the same thing. It’s not just history either, they beat the crusaders and blues as well as thrashing the Waratahs this year before travel restrictions.

Trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition confirmed for 2021

If they have room for more accolades on their trophy cabinet. looking over the draw it mostly seems fair, there is no advantage in hindering any one team. It looks good and I am looking forward to another five rounds of quality rugby.

Trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition confirmed for 2021

Interesting to note that adding these 5 games to the 8 domestic games played in SRAU and Aotearoa means that each team plays 13 games in 2021. the same amount of games as they would have played in Super 14.

Trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition confirmed for 2021

Great News, glad to see the unions co-operating

Trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition confirmed for 2021

Yeah a bit rough on them as they travel more than others, but at least they have bulked their away games together so they have the option of staying in NZ for the last three rounds and not going back and forth between the West Coast and NZ.

Trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition confirmed for 2021

If that was the case, some commentators will have to stop giggling long enough to get the promo out. There could be some differences in how commentators are allowed to speak about the other rugby code, they may not promote, but they probably won’t deride. It would definitely be best promote each other especially for nine. Because nine and NRL have been giving a free Saturday to AFL coverage for years; now they have something to give fans who would rather watch a rugby code.

OFFICIAL: Rugby AU locks in new free-to-air broadcast deal as Nine launches Stan Sport

Great news, gives nine football content from Thursday to Sunday so good for them and good for super rugby to not be behind a pay wall good news all around. Nine does a great job of promoting its sport content so they should promote rugby of all levels well. Also good to see that all levels of southern hemisphere rugby is going to in one place so no need to have both Stan and fox.

OFFICIAL: Rugby AU locks in new free-to-air broadcast deal as Nine launches Stan Sport

From what I have read it failed to get support from the ARL commission, I went to the read the article again but is behind a pay wall now. I definitely had this in mind when suggesting NRL players play for Australia A. Also that it would add some interest to Australia A vs Wallabies game it one were to happen.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

Strange comment, I am guessing that you think that Super Rugby is poor be as the Broncos were wooden spooners yeah? But if everyone in super Rugby was last on the ladder then no one was last, would make just as much sense to say play the Panthers as they’ve played like a Super Rugby Club all season. Except that it wouldn’t make sense as Super Rugby is provincial and TRC is an international tournament so you would a stronger than super Rugby standard team to be competitive. I hope that cleared things up for you, unless as I said the only reason you posted was to say that you don’t like super Rugby, then the real question is why post at all, but that is one for you to internalize I suppose.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

It seems like the year to give it a go.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

Agree, could try to get a few NRL players not involved in Origin to add a bit of interest.

OFFICIAL: South Africa are out as Rugby Championship reverts to Tri-Nations for 2020

Cheers

Force add Pumas duo for 2021 Super Rugby season

An article I read about SR Aotearoa referred to a team called the South China Lions, which I figured was just a typing error. Has there been talk of a merger between the Tigers and Lions or was this just a typo?

Force add Pumas duo for 2021 Super Rugby season