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Keith (no longer) of WA

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I can’t help but wonder if this outcome is exactly what the ‘consortia’ intended?

On what planet would you expect the very people you are asking for approval to agree with any proposal that allows them to be sued? Why would you put that landmine in a proposal otherwise?

I suspect they knew all along that RA would not accept that… but it does allow them to show themselves as victims and having made every effort…. kind of like the email….

'Simply unacceptable': RA chief fires back after consortium's leaked claim of 'abusive' behavior

You might like to consider how, in your view, such an inept coach
Classic straw man argument…. I never called the man inept… you did….
I also said he’s a one trick pony, a great (short term) motivator until his deficiencies are revealed….as evidenced by both his results and the lack of interest in his availability…
As to his Wallabies career, yes, in the short term he was very successful, until the inevitable happened and unless someone has lived under a rock or is a Cheika fanboi, the fact is that his tenure in charge did not end all kumbaya…..(not unlike a number of his other gigs..)
As to whether assistants make any difference in a teams success or whether that is ALL down to just the coach, it’s self evident and I’m not going to bother with giving examples…..
I’m sure with a little research you could actually figure it out yourself….

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

Are you saying Wayne Smith seems humble? If so then on that we agree… but as I said, I only mention Wayne Smith as an example of head coaches taking up assistant positions DOES happen in Rugby, although I don’t agree that then becoming the Chiefs head coach was a low key position…. and I think Wayne Smiths’ CV far outweighs Michael Cheika’s
Also not retaining Cheika in order to appoint an ex-player who’s never coached a single game is perhaps the stupidest appointment in the history of the game by Argentina.
Maybe he’s not as humble as you give him credit for… perhaps consider why in fact that they would make this stupid appointment at all with him available (and lets face it, the lack of options /past history/their appointment speaks volumes)?

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

I’d put him in their category. So 4/5, not 5/5.

I’m sure he would be happy to hear that….

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

You missed what I said….

HE didn’t beat every other coach in Europe until 4 years later when other coaches came in as part of a revamp…. and after then losing in 2010 he was replaced by one Joe Schmidt, who then took them on to multiple championships…. while he went on to Stade Francais and was then sacked….

I also said objectively… look back at what he did with the Wallabies and how well that ended….

As I said at the outset…. I’m no fan of his….

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

Complete underestimation? Cheika is a one trick pony…. great motivator but he needs good people around him as otherwise his underlying tactical deficiencies are shown up….

He arrived in Leinster in 2005, and it wasn’t until Gaffney and Jono Gibbes turned up in 2009 that leinster won the Heinekin Cup….

And as to the Waratah’s…. some of us remember the ‘golf clubs’ motivation gimmicks…

Great in the short term… doesn’t last…. and therein lies his problem when you actually look back over his coaching career objectively….

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

I used Wayne Smith by way of example as he was both a head coach in Italy, the Crusaders AND the All Blacks before then becoming an assistant coach for the Chiefs in 2012…

Amongst other roles including back with the All Blacks as assistant coach he’s now head coach of the Black Ferns….

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

Look, I’m not going to get into a contest with you…. but it does happen in plenty of sports and isn’t ‘policy’…. it also happens in Rugby and I’d give an example of Wayne Smith for you to consider….
As to the merits of Cheika not being retained, I’m most definitely NOT a Cheika fan so I have no comment…..

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

Anyone who goes to watch a rugby game in Australia will be familiar with the loud and often aggressive voices from the stands urging players to stop kicking.

Speaking for myself only, I have no issue with the ball being kicked as it offers tactical opportunities, depending on how and when it is done….

The issue for mine is not the kicking, but rather the complete and utter lack of a (or several) chasers and the laziness often witnessed in players just walking up field, a receiver under very little pressure and not having their options eliminated/reduced… Then it seems wasteful/completely pointless as all that’s happened is you’ve released your own pressure only to be having to defend again…

At club level I’d doubt the fitness and desire are there, particularly when you see Wallabies being just as lazy in a test….

I’m sure your data would show some interesting outcomes if it analyzed the uncontested kicks that people like myself abhor as nothing more than an opportunity for the attacking team to keep on attacking….

Australian rugby is so reluctant to develop a kicking game - and that's a big mistake

It would be a tough pill for someone of Cheika’s experience and credentials to take a major step backwards to be an assistant at an NRL club

It’s an interesting path to be an assistant for a year or two and then take over a club, but no one of this calibre will be an assistant without a guarantee of head coach after.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that….

Often coaches who get sacked take up an assistant coach role where they can step back from the coalface to either recharge their batteries/concentrate on a single area and do further studies in another environment…. Then depending on the desire and demonstrable ability they go back to being a head coach…..

Perfect example is the NFL where head coaches often get sacked, spend a couple of years as an assistant then get offered a head coach gig again… eg Dan Quinn, sacked as head coach of Atlanta Falcons in 2020, spent 3 years (and did quite well) as a defensive coordinator at the Dallas Cowboys and is now the head coach of the Washington Commanders….

Cheers

The big step back Cheika needs to take if he ever wants to snare an NRL coaching gig

There’s an old saying… if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck….

The DOCA (and I admit I haven’t the interest to read it) appears to rely upon a lot of if-then and whatabouts….

ATO – good luck with that one…. trading insolvent for 5 years? Admitted by the administrator? The directos think the ATO is just going to say no probs…. carry on? These guys haven’t been paying attention to the ATO appetite for enforcement and their methods currently….

RA – The Directors think they are going to tie RA up in court, need to win otherwise they won’t raise the money to put in place all of the wondrous things like moving out to Tarneit that they are proposing? And oh by golly RA are going to hand over the participation licence while they are in court? For real?

PLAYERS – These guys claim they are going to pay the players 100% yet RA have already had to take over and pay the bills… so… ?????

FUNDING – “hopes to raise” funding???? seriously??? A funding consortium that operates on hope? How much credibility does any ‘consortium’ have with either the ATO, RA or even the Rebels supporters not blinded by the ‘save our club emotion’?? I bet the first question the ATO (and eventually RA when the numpties figure it out) asks is….SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

CYA – I agree with the sentiment often expressed here… the Directors are using the players as pawns and playing on the supporters emotions to ‘rally the troops’ in order to secure a favourable outcome/delay action….

SO…. If none of the above was true, the people behind the DOCA would have already put money in, be able to show at least funding commitments, already have the Tarneit relocation set up, be paying the players and staff and showing the actual ring of truth of their claims by already DOING IT!!!

so…. I’m afraid ……it’s a duck….

Cheers

Rebels face more hurdles despite $25m rescue plan, call on RA to show support and reveal hand as court battle looms

I take a little different tack….

Whilst I concede there are clearly some under-performers on the board as evidenced by the state we find Rugby in Australia in today, you cannot escape the FACT that someone, somewhere within RA had the maturity and ability to finally get it right in the appointments of Horne/Nucifora consultancy/Schmidt, and whoever is behind that deserves support and not a clean out.

The reality is that in my view, the NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE is the starting point for where the lunatics stay protected year in year out. It is at the root of the nepotism/jobs for the boys and allowed people who are otherwise qualified/bring value to our game to be kept out. I say abolish the composition of the nominations committee/restructure it and open it up to good people.

Those seat warmers will be quickly found out and in my view, we might be able to have some continuity AND some decent operators on the board…..

'Definition of madness': Rugby reform must start with total cleanout of RA board - and this should happen next

Look you know what you say is true…. but I’m sorry I’m not buying into your platform.

At long last SOMEONE within the RA has had the good sense to bring in Horne, Nucifora (as consultant), Schmidt (and Cron by extension)… to right the ship and lets face it… it’s been making heavy weather for too long…..

For my mind, that’s no time to torpedo them so it’s a NO from me….

Now if you actually had concrete proposals that didn’t rely upon sinking the whole thing, including weeding out the snouts in the trough, a comp that the everyday fan could get tribal about, a sustainable funding model (there’s plenty out there), a method to upskill our coaches, a method to poach the very people in the NRL and AFL who undermine Rugby in the schools… you know… a PLAN… then that would make it more than just the political advertorial that you’ve submitted…

Cheers

COMMENT: Australian rugby is a depressing picture - the RA board must be axed and the constitution changed

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!! Seriously? Is there no young bloke playing in club land deserving of a break into the ‘big time’? Is there no local lad at Neddies or UWA that offers more than a 35 year old that got dropped for a reason years ago?

Can we not give SOME young bloke from ANYWHERE in Australia a chance that RA or one of the other clubs has big wraps on as a ‘loan’ or development player?

And people wonder why Aus Rugby is going nowhere sometimes/can’t support 5 teams when we have to recycle on of the 3 amigos?

Stay tuned… Giteau is making a comeback and is going to come in as captain…… 😡

Beale's back! Wallabies star joins Western Force after injury opens the door for veteran's return

What comes through loud and clear here is respect…
Schmidt is respected by Cron enough that even though he is going to go against his home team, he is answering the call for both his colleague and helping Australia….
I doubt the likes of Eddie Everywhere, Cheika etc would ever get the same response…. I suspect even Rennie would have gotten a polite no…. For my mind, the backroom adults responsible for bringing Schmidt on board for the journey must be quietly happy at seeing the level respect he carries and the doors he opens….
And lets face it, Cron is also politely telling us that the Aussie quality needs to lift in SR as NZ are getting ‘soft’ 😁
I for one am happy that they are here to help… (even if it is just for the short term)…

How Schmidt landed All Blacks icon at Wallabies - and why '80 per cent of coaching is selection'

lol…. I hear ya… my doctor told me to give it away many many years ago as all of the tackling meant my knees were 20 years older than I am… 😁

There are only two ways rugby can go from here - and there's no middle ground between physicality and safety

@ Piru…Have a look at my post above and check out the link…

There are only two ways rugby can go from here - and there's no middle ground between physicality and safety

Check this out… usually from behind and traps tackled players feet…

There are only two ways rugby can go from here - and there's no middle ground between physicality and safety

Have a look at this video from the NFL….

It’s not ‘accidental’ nor is it ‘incidental’….. the tackle usually happens from behind and the hips are deliberately dropped on the players legs. The result is that an unsuspecting player is often caught with a foot trapped in a season ending position.

I have no issue with contact sport and the possibility of injury… but this kind of thing has been outlawed for a reason….

There are only two ways rugby can go from here - and there's no middle ground between physicality and safety

Excellent!! There is finally starting to become an air of respectability around the Wallabies coaching set up.
It shows the back room appointments of Horne and Nucifora give genuine professionals such as Schmidt and now his assistants the confidence to come on board…. this helps the players too… and I sense entitled ‘go through the motions’ types of players will quickly be found wanting….
How adult like is this? And what a huge contrast to the juvenile antics of Eddie Everywhere… although that said I think he was the “coach we had to have” before everyone realised we really do have a problem….

'It can be something great': Schmidt turns to 'scrum doctor' as next step in Wallabies rebuild

Looks like the Chiefs are going to pick him up as both a wide receiver AND running back role along with special teams kick off returner (new return rules for kick off voted on this week make home a valuable asset)

'Nothing about rugby': Wales superstar explains shock call to quit to pursue NFL dream, England set to name new skipper

He is apparently about to sign with the Kansas City Chiefs, the reigning 2 time super bowl champs

'Nothing about rugby': Wales superstar explains shock call to quit to pursue NFL dream, England set to name new skipper

But again they messed up with the NRC with ‘manufactured’ teams…. Queensland Country?

Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?

Well… I’m a Dallas Cowboys supporter in the NFL, and the Cowboys supporters all say the same thing as Dockers supporters…. “if you want your heart broken / next years champions, be a Cowboys/Dockers supporter” 😁

Disclosure… I used to follow the WEagles 😁

Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?

yeah… and the constant stream of Waratah articles on the roar as against virtually none for the Force or Rebels doesn’t exactly help…..

Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?

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