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Keith (no longer) of WA

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this reminds me of the same sex marriage debate…. if you don’t agree then you’re phobic…..

and look where we are now…. drag stories to kids…..

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

The Constitution already recognizes Indigenous Australians…. It has the power to make any laws for the people of ANY race, “for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws”…

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

Well, I would beg to disagree…..

Indigenous Australians have all sorts of rights that every other race in Australia does not… eg Anunga Rules…

And that would be purely because it had been heard and considered….

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

“Read it for yourself.”

I’d suggest you take your own advice….. (see 1967 Referendum above)

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

Helping people understand what it means in a practical sense.

and again (regardless of your political bias), the weakness of the whole thing is again demonstrated…..

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

This is quite disingenuous….

In 1967 the Commonwealth (constitutionally) had no power (except in territories) in relation to Indigenous Australians… it had nothing to do with counting indigenous Australians as ‘human beings’….

That is entirely your own bias and selective editing….

You failed both your own ‘History 101’ and impartiality test…. oh, and they were already voting at that time and had been for some years….

discussed….

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

THIS!!!

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

If the government wants to legislate on things affecting miners, doctors, retirees, even sports etc etc, they typically consult with them first.

Totally agree… but then why do we need to change the constitution the ensure the government ‘consults’…..?

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

but I’m yet to truly understand what a Voice does in practical terms for Indigenous Australians.
And there… in a nutshell is why some people don’t want to mess with our Constitution….

Should Australian sport be raising its voice?

An enjoyable read JD…

It’s interesting to hear the impact the NRL is possibly having on NZR…. and what to do about it?

Maybe instead of recruiting league players as Australia are looking to do, the NZR and Rugby Australia might be best served recruiting some of the very people identifying and poaching the talent on offer and figuring out how they are really doing it….

That said, I’m not sufficiently informed enough to know if Ireland either has a golden generation coming through as you argue or if they have cracked the ‘league’ method of identifying and nourishing talent quicker then everyone else at the moment…..?

Cheers

Golden generations: McCaw's magnificent men, and the Dave Rennie gift that helped All Blacks make history

😂 Love it… That’s funny doc….

Rugby News: Ex-PM says RA has succumbed to 'moral blackmail' after 'regrettable' Voice stance revealed

“ and fans have loved including a Welcome to Country before Test matches”

Sorry, but I’ve never been a fan of it…. so don’t speak for me please when it is your view… (especially when it happens on every plane landing)…..

Rugby News: Ex-PM says RA has succumbed to 'moral blackmail' after 'regrettable' Voice stance revealed

my ‘tone’? 😂

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

My question is what issues do you claim the NFL has?

My comment re the NRL is to show you that people DO move to another country to play within the same comp as an alternative pathway….

As to having a discussion about something here, some people are open minded and can consider things on their merits, make reasoned arguments and either implement parts of benefit or reject the idea after thorough examination….

EVERY sport around the world has merit in one way or another…. that is why coaches travel and immerse themselves in other codes.

I’m just stunned that with all of the complaining about Super Rugby that goes on here, such intransigence prevails to even considering any of the merits of ANY of it and how it could (even partially) be adapted….

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

Sure!… but I’d ask you when was there EVER 25,000 people at any draft day here in any national sport whether you say AFL or NRL in Australia?

There is a reason they love a game that takes 3 hours to play…. why not figure out what it is and see what can be imported?

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

No Train, with respect I’d suggest it is you who are refusing to consider what is unique and why…. and how it could be applied..

I wrote an article about some of the things Super Rugby could learn from the NFL and why I watch it more now but it was not published….

There is much to learn and it could be revolutionary to Super Rugby… yet the heads in the sand both on the Roar and in general are always going to fight change or whatever can improve something, until it’s applied by a few brave souls and suddenly everyone wants to copy the Kiwis, or Ireland…..

Food for thought if you really think about it….

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

No one has said they are making that step…. it’s just a discussion….

The first one through the wall always cops the flak….and plenty of nay sayers are already out there claiming that it’s foolish and won’t work without actually shedding their blinkers and properly considering if it CAN work and HOW….

and again, after all of these years of diminishing returns with the current super rugby means SOMETHING needs to be discussed…

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

You still haven’t answered my question…

Nobody cares if a team is stacked full of Kiwis because fans and viewers are very much about their club, and 3 times a year their state.

So what has Rugby got to fear from a discussion then if those 3(or 20) times a year could be international?

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

No, that’s not what I said Train…. keep doing your research though….

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

Let me guess train, you feel threatened by new ideas eh?

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

4…. Ever heard of the NRL?

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

Of course you’re right…

Let’s not even have a discussion about any of the merits of it….particularly because of who said it
Let’s not even consider if there is A WAY to make it work….

Lets keep our vibrant Super Rugby comp struggling for relevance as it is instead.

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

Stay in your lane train……

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

Really? But you don’t employ any critical thinking and assume that it can’t and won’t work so there is no need for discussion? What differences are so great that it can’t be discussed? Examined?

Is it so dangerous and are the ‘potential negative impacts’ so large that ‘people’ HAVE to remain ‘skeptical’?

There is quite a bit that Rugby (eg refs) could learn from some other codes…. and supporters too….

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

Of course… you’re right… don’t try anything because it won’t ever work….

RA chief's radical draft plan to revive Super Rugby, including Wallabies free to play for NZ clubs

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