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Those players were going well into the professional era and are vastly superior to Jordan or Nadolo.

Throughout the past 25 years rugby league, unlike rugby in New Zealand, has consistently produced players of Cullen like calibre. Only a few at a time, but always a few.

The significant change is that they are appearing in league for New Zealand rather than just the Kangaroos.

This must be because richer and more aggressive talent scouting along with the growth until recently of league in New Zealand has allowed it to simply pluck the truly outstanding from under rugby’s nose.

Super Rugby's top 10 players: Aussie props dominate, but Kiwi sensation smiling on the summit

Well, it’s about 3 or 4 weeks a year…and these are young players.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Humans are ambitious, and it quickly would become part of their thinking. Tramping around every last suburb in Melbourne has limits to those with broader horizons.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Yes, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be assailed.

If the other codes became more bullish and confident they could start to strike at it.

They could argue to the teenagers of Melbourne that they would never play an international game of AFL.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Yes, but it also takes being unchallenged by anyone else.

AFL has had the easiest ride.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Indeed, and the least challenged by the other codes.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

A good player but not in their league at all.

Super Rugby's top 10 players: Aussie props dominate, but Kiwi sensation smiling on the summit

Indeed, best player ever.

Super Rugby's top 10 players: Aussie props dominate, but Kiwi sensation smiling on the summit

NRL would swallow union by offering it the money to survive.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Piru I think it would be the other round!

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Yes, and I rember John O’Neill once saying there might need to be a merger as AFL was a ‘gorilla in the room’ (I think rather than an elephant which might have sounded too loveable).

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

The one area rugby and NRL could unite is in a joint assault on AFL in Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Tasmania, if not a full merger.
Combined stadium hire, investment, advertising and use of training facilities could mean multiple new teams in all these territories and an aggressive attack on a code which has been allowed to balloon and threaten everyone else unchecked. League could be played one weekend, rugby the next with a joint season ticket.
It’s completely mystifying anyway why AFL has never been subject to a serious siege and has been given permission to menace other codes. It has no international game, isn’t played anywhere else and in theory should be the most vulnerable of all the codes. But it is treated like a favourite child by league and rugby.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

Yes true but I wouldn’t underestimate the five or so top NRL players.

Super Rugby's top 10 players: Aussie props dominate, but Kiwi sensation smiling on the summit

Yes, they weren’t the same.
The three I mentioned were a particular kind of strike running sensation, not the perfectly balanced all round playmaker Carter or the others you mention.

Super Rugby's top 10 players: Aussie props dominate, but Kiwi sensation smiling on the summit

I do wonder where the next Lomu (obviously a one-off), Umaga, Cullen is coming. It’s been a long while.

Or did they get stolen by league? Roger T-S and Joey Manu? (Benji, SBW before).

Super Rugby's top 10 players: Aussie props dominate, but Kiwi sensation smiling on the summit

5 Million. Probably brings in very little.

Exclusive: Rugby Australia makes sweeping redundancies as governing body braces for 'economic headwinds'

No it was Foley. Nadolo was there twice. Foley 2011-2012.

'Our system is failing': The 'crisis' sinking Australian rugby - and the 'crucified' coach that shows it

He was there-when Nadolo turned out to be outstanding afterwards Foley said that he hadn’t give Nadolo an opportunity as Lachie Turner and Drew Mitchell took priority (which didn’t make sense even then, as there are three back three positions).

'Our system is failing': The 'crisis' sinking Australian rugby - and the 'crucified' coach that shows it

At the Waratahs. 2011 as I recall.

'Our system is failing': The 'crisis' sinking Australian rugby - and the 'crucified' coach that shows it

Didn’t play him at all for an entire season. Had no ability to see his talent.

Worse is Rapana. Note that Rapana now has 15 caps for the New Zealand national rugby league team. But in Foley’s eyes he wasn’t good enough for the Western Force’s squad. That’s right, the weakest team in Australia. Not good enough. Had already played NRL as a teenager, but not good enough for the Force’s squad. Not the starting 22, but the entire squad. Simply cut. Lost to Australian rugby. Back to the NRL and a stellar career.

'Our system is failing': The 'crisis' sinking Australian rugby - and the 'crucified' coach that shows it

Foley was an atrocious coach, and wrecked the careers of Nemani Nadolo, Jordan Rapana and countless others. He achieved nothing whatsoever as a head coach in order to become head coach of the Waratahs or Wallabies assistant for that matter. It was simply that he’d played for the Wallabies. Nothing else.

Inability to identify talent is one side-effect of bad coaching that leads to substantial collateral damage.

I would be pretty amazed if he was a good assistant too. But as everything in a nepotistic culture is done by hearsay and secret recommendations with no need for any external proof: maybe he was actually amazing? Who can know?

'Our system is failing': The 'crisis' sinking Australian rugby - and the 'crucified' coach that shows it

‘Wallabies assistants like Michael Foley, Andrew Blades..’
Then Graham Henry is mentioned.
That’s the whole problem. The Australian list were given coaching positions and put in charge of franchises on the basis of their achievements as players. Michael Foley was an abominable coach.
Ex-Wallabies and ex-Super rugby players are given outrageous preferential treatment in advancing their careers and don’t need to show they can coach at all before being given the reins to franchises.
Compare Graham Henry. An ex-school teacher.
Or Bob Dwyer. Or Rod Mcqueen.
An enormous amount of coaching talent is found with the best people who are somewhere or other in the rugby system, be it in schools or at lower club level. Many played little or never themselves. Their coaching brain is what’s important.
A high quality coaching infrastructure identifies them and promotes them through the system.
This is virtually the polar opposite of the system in Australia since the dawn of professionalism which is a completely nepotistic system whereby ex-players are the only ones considered and coaching is a closed shop that completely excludes non-elite level players.
It’s based on the following equation: good player=good coach.
Sorry Graham Henry, Rod Mcqueen. You’d have no place today.
Yes, some ex-players can become outstanding coaches but an enormous wealth of the coaching talent in rugby and other sports has come from coaching talents who may have little to do with playing themselves.
Is it any wonder that Australian coaching is a laughing stock when it’s essentially just a stitch-up industry for retired players to get some income?
Maybe the next Bob Dwyer or Rod Mcqueen are coaching at school or club level and ask about their prospects of joining a Super franchise. ‘Did you play Super rugby?’ is the response and when they reply that they didn’t, and not even at club level sometimes, but they have done some outstanding coaching, they hear ‘how dare you even speak to us about Super rugby if you haven’t played at a high level yourself. Don’t you realise being a good coach and a good player are the same thing?’.

'Our system is failing': The 'crisis' sinking Australian rugby - and the 'crucified' coach that shows it

Good passion.

Bollocks to the doom merchants - Super Rugby 2024 offers Australian rugby its most glorious opportunity

NRL raiding (by, rather than of) is the story of rugby over the past twenty years.

It’s always interesting to think how many Super teams could be formed from current NRL players with who also played rugby as teenagers.

Poaching NZ coaches won't solve the Wallabies' woes - the real solution is a lot less sexy

Yes, and ‘having relevance’ is an odd term.

Whoever decided to play any sport in the first place? Someone must have done before it was relevant.

Poaching NZ coaches won't solve the Wallabies' woes - the real solution is a lot less sexy

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