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Yes, I found this issue very frustrating on the weekend. As a Tahs fan of course.

There’s clearly a difference between one team pushing another backwards until the scrum literally shatters to that kind of instant collapse. The reason is pure motive.

The Canes literally couldn’t do anything else under that kind of pressure.
Where as the the question I would ask if I was the referee when looking at the insta-collapse is “who benefits?” From here you get a follow up question: “who is probably working harder to keep the scrum upright?” The answers are of course, Franks and the Canes, as is was their scrum previously getting dominated, and Bell, as he wants to scrum because that was working for him.

Two ends of the same dial: can Angus Bell and Owen Franks star at the World Cup?

Ask Twiggy to find a fully professional NRC and double the budgets of the SR teams? ????

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Just shows the critical importance of depth, and Australia’s more or less guaranteed inability to field five NZ competitive franchises unless we have a fully professional feeder tier.

The Force and Rebels strike me as basically being one team worth of players to the standard. And I’m not picking on them, take the Tahs on a bad week for injuries, or the Reds as we’re currently witnessing, and it’s the same. Only the Brums seem to continuously demonstrate that “production line” trait of bringing in fresh blood seemingly up to the task.

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Mate, if you or your kid was in the dock, I’m not sure you’d want the judge to say something like the following:

“the defendant is correct to point out the complexities of this issue, but imposing a custodial sentence or not, and deciding the length of said sentence, is the only tool I have at my disposal. This is your second offence, and despite my accepting that it was an accident and that you tried your best to avoid the situation, the facts are that you failed at that effort. And given my above point regarding no other tools at my disposal, I am forced to more or less pressume that a tougher sentence is the only way to deal with repeat offenders.”

So personally, I don’t want judges or the judiciary in rugby doing this. I don’t want them imposing harsher sanctions unless they’re pretty sure it will be of net positive benefit. In this case, I’m not sure they were, so they took the only other option available to them and gave him a lighter penalty. One would hope that all concerned are busy meeting behind closed doors looking at other solutions.

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Hi Brett,

To me this is the sort of thing that just HAS to have us approaching the use of deterrence with an open mind, and nuance. Clearly the guy didn’t want to now miss the rest of the season. Sitting here we CAN’T question his motivation to change and the application he may or may not have shown to change it. We don’t know. One thing I’m pretty sure I do know is that this guy would be hurting right now.

To me, it’s just not good enough to just bang our fists on the table and demand more punishments with the basic idea that well “if they’re not getting the message….”

I’m not sure if you caught my slap dash effort to talk about this with a bit more complexity from a few weeks back:

Here’s how discourse around concussion can be improved

I’m not saying I have the answers, but the point is we need to ask the right questions. For example, if strategy and tactics are set by the coaches, should coaches and wider team not be held accountable too? Are we hearing from players about just how reasonable these new expectations are given the demands placed on them by the game and coaches?

Honestly, let’s not do a criminal justice system on this kid and come down him as an individual when we KNOW the issue is so much bigger than just individuals…there is the rules, referees, coaches. For example rucking was outlawed, but the expectation to roll away was also changed.

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Yes, more study, more openness to consider options other than cards.

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

I like your thinking about being more holistic, Geoff. Shameless plug: check out my article from yesterday on the a bit of the philosophy of “deterrence” and some alternative suggestions for just dishing out cards:

Here’s how discourse around concussion can be improved

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I’m not sure how you come to that characterisation from any of what I’ve said…
When did I say I’d “allow carte blanch if the defender is stopping a try”?
I would not sanction for a HEAD CLASH when someone was going for a ball and all tackle and gets surprised by an attacker stepping in. If Banks coat hangers the guy, different story.
I’m arguing that even if you ignore the fairness of such a sanction on an individual level for a head clash, it won’t stop players from attempting ball and all tackle in such instances. I’m arguing it cannot be compared to open play where players can make adjustments without being in such a dynamic, high stakes situation.
To disagree with me cogently, all you need to do is say that you don’t agree that deterrence won’t work in a Banks type situation. You don’t need to completely mischaracterise what I’m saying.

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

Personally I’m not sure I’d even call what Banks did an attempted tackle…what you’re saying is they need to outlaw…what exactly? Setting up in up in such a way as to allow all manner of tackles including ball and all around the chest?

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

I’d put better or more correct interpretations of existing laws in the same bucket as new laws; a means of doing more than deterrence.

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

I feel like you’re somewhat missing my overall point. Yes, we do disagree about the Banks incident specifically. What I’m questioning, and it is really just a question though I do make some assertions to spice things up a bit, is whether deterrence is applicable in a situation where a player will do, and is rewarded for, doing whatever they can.

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

Yes, but as with the scrum and rucking, what if any rules changes are needed to help players and coaches adjust, as well as keeping the game as enjoyable as possible? I’m hoping administrators are looking at this not just discussing how to sanction…

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

I just imagine myself in that situation in a game and I’ve asked, when exactly would I start bending at the waist? The answer I get is the very last second. Maybe it’s different for others. It’d be interesting to watch replays of lots of different covering tackles to see when exactly people start preparing their body for contact. I mean, you have to be prepared to make ball and all tackle as well as a legs tackle, surely? This is of course my central point regarding this kind of incident: if a ball and all tackle happens to be what is required to stop a try, you’re not going to really dissuade people from doing it. So if that’s true, who’s benefiting from punishing people regardless? Of course, not everyone will agree that my premise is true.

Here's how discourse around concussion can be improved

Ireland and Wales do. In other words countries of compatible size in terms of world class players to pick from. The challenge for the ABs will be how to find the best 15 from their embarressment of riches. In their four year cycle they’ll drop a game whilst those combinations become embedded, but they’ll be the first to admit they’ve dropped some critical games because of combinations not firing. Their best era by far was when they basically kept their backrow, second row and halves intact for years. Can Australia hope to do that? To have that kind of player retention.

After the 2015 world cup the Tahs spine Wallabies lost some crucial players. But more than that, I would say you can’t unserestimate the impact of players like Potgeiter on the success of the 2014 team. That was on the back of two years of consistent selections.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

But I would counter this by saying we don’t necessarily want to be trying to play this game. See some of Nicolas Bishop’s analysis of how the new interpretations in Europe are not at all leading to call contenders playing a similar style. Personally, I think we need a 9 who can kick well to have a chance.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

That’s it for me. He is scrumming as well or better than any loosehead in Australia right now. I didn’t consider the question of switching AAA back.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

They have all signed, so from this I’m assuming all are available. Does not mean they’ll be picked, or that there aren’t other logistical reasons that’ll get in the way.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

The White, JOC, Toomua combo in Bledisloe 1 looked very good, released the other backs well I thought.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

I see the spread across the franchises as a weakness, unfortunately.

I’ve listened to Ben Darwin’s schtick a couple of times now and I’m on board. Eddie Jones has made similar comments. It is a massive weakness of the Wallabies that we can’t pick established “spines” from existing cohesive SR teams to underpin the test team. But I really can’t see many extra opportunities to do so.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

If BPA is available, I’d have no problem with the selection. My issue with him is the line-out throwing. Is not the coolest cat in the shed when his jumpers are under pressure. Again, not sure there is anyone better though so…

The Wallabies team I'd pick

Fair re: Rodda. Rennie will have been watching him, though, so who knows. I get frustrated watching LSL, in big games he seems to cough up the pill, or is that my imagination. I like Hosea, and the other young lock/blindside from the Rebels as well.

The Wallabies team I'd pick

Yeah, exactly, something like this. I’m open to a rest of Aus third rep team if a viable model could be established. But to me, one of the main points of this between NRC and Wallabies tier is to try and fill stadiums, and basically be a cash cow, and show piece for the game.

A strengths-based plan for rugby in Australia

Based on, or built upon?

But this is perhaps where we differ. I see rugby as more analogous to the regional AFL teams like the Crows and the Eagles. These are built ON the grassroots strength of the game in those cities, but there was recognition of the value of coming together for a national comp, which required some consolidation.

A strengths-based plan for rugby in Australia

Please help me understand what elitism are you talking about.

A strengths-based plan for rugby in Australia

Not sure I understand what you mean. I’m talking about leaning into the national footprint of the game by making the NRC the heart of rugby in this country. What we need is for the Shute Shield and it’s equivalent in Brisbane to really get behind it instead of clinging to the past. So I think we agree…

A strengths-based plan for rugby in Australia

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